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Amerigo Vespucci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 02:40 PM
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George W. Bush visits Fort Hood, wounded soldiers
Source: Google News

FORT HOOD, Texas Former President George W. Bush and his wife, Laura, have visited wounded soldiers and their families after the mass shooting at Fort Hood.

The Bushes made their private visit to Fort Hood's Darnall Army Medical Center on Friday night. Bush spokesman David Sherzer said in an e-mail that the couple thanked Fort Hood's military leaders and hospital staff for the "amazing care they are providing."

An Army psychiatrist, Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, is accused of killing 13 people and wounding 29 others in a shooting rampage Thursday at a Soldier Readiness Processing Center at Fort Hood. Hasan is hospitalized, under guard.

Read more: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5g9WYO...
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 02:41 PM
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1. narcissism rears its ugly head again
Ol' W always has to get through the door first.
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Amerigo Vespucci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 02:43 PM
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3. Still doin' photo ops, Stretch...still doin' photo ops.
I'd like to say this surprises me. I'd be lying.

:patriot:
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beac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 03:00 PM
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13. I wonder if Lizard Cheney will denounce Duhbya's doing it 'for the cameras'???
Yeah, right. :puke:
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Amerigo Vespucci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 03:14 PM
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15. She's the sperm & egg aftermath of Evil Dick's "other priorities"...
...so Liz, in ALL matters, should shut her fucking mouth about the military. Seriously. She has NO right, and a coward for a father, so the best recommendation I can give to Liz Cheney is to SHUT THE FUCK UP or ENLIST.

No third choice.

:patriot:
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24601 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 09:50 PM
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70. Photo Ops need a photo - ya got one for this?
The article said it was a private visit.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 08:09 AM
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73. So cute how you always pop in to defend Bush. BTW, those familiar w/Bushes' MO know they make sure
that their 'private' visits get widespread press.
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white cloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 08:48 AM
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94. heres you a photo
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 02:42 PM
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2. "Nice to visit some people I didn't cause to be wounded." nt
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 03:15 PM
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17. Yes, he did. Back in 2002 some Dem lawmakers demanded WH/Pentagon fulfill mental evaluation
requirements (required by LAW) for all military personnel, especially those going into combat - They were ignored.

Bush's administration also oversaw a steep decline in after-care for returning soldiers and vets suffering physical wounds and mental ones.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 12:59 AM
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40. Bingo.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 07:34 PM
Response to Reply #2
66. Actually, he did. Bush and his cronies lied America into two unnecessary, immoral and illegal wars.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 02:44 PM
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4. I can't really criticize him for this
Criticize his policies, yes that I will do. But this shooter must be responsible for his own actions, and no amount of mental anguish will justify what he did. Thousands of troops come home every year from this war with mental anguish, but don't shoot up their fellow citizens as a coping mechanism.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 02:46 PM
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7. Nope. Pity he did so little of it while President.
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Amerigo Vespucci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 02:47 PM
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8. I'm not encouraging criticism...
...I'm just weighing his visit against the photo ops he did as president.

He may be at peace with his decisions. That doesn't mean we need to share his peace.
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 03:22 PM
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18. I agree with you
While it is possible that W's policies set the stage for what happened, I still put responsibility for it in the hands of the shooter, and in those who did not figure out quickly enough that he was a loose cannon.
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izquierdista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 07:12 PM
Response to Reply #4
33. Had Dimbulb not sent them out
On a fool's errand, they would not be coming home in mental anguish.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 01:03 AM
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41. Oh, please. The guy who let Walter Reed Hospital deterirorate without a care shows up for a photo
Edited on Sun Nov-08-09 01:04 AM by No Elephants
op now.

That's exactly it. Hard to fault anyone for visiting wounded troops.

How often did he do that before this high profile event, though?

If I were in his shoes--and the least bit sincere-I would have been visiting wounded troops at least once a week, every week.
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24601 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 09:53 PM
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71. You got a link to the visit photo? No photo = No photo op. n/t
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 12:05 PM
Response to Reply #71
84. Got a comment about Bush overseeing the deterioration of care at Walter Reed
or does your concern for Bush's image ALWAYS take precedent on threads like this?
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24601 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 09:18 PM
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91. You ever been in the military? If so, you'll understand that we are
not props to be exploited for photo ops. When we are made to do so, it's wrong. When people regardless of party visit wounded warriors and view flag-draped coffins without the press - it's a good.

Anyone claiming we're a photo op when it's false, that's wrong too and standing up for the truth on this issue isn't a partisan issue. There are plenty of things to accurately criticize Bush over; however, false claims are the boy calling wolf and it just causes people to tune us out even when the charge is true.

So my issue here stands - it was portrayed as a photo op when, in the absence of photos, it was not. Changing the subject doesn't change the truth.

But on the subject of Walter Reed - I've actually been there (medical appt, not as a tourist), have you? The fault there was continuing to send soldiers to a facility on the base closing list, not the funding for the hospital. The troops should have been sent to a different facility that should have been first-class. Pouring infrastructure rehab money into a facility that's closing is a poor use of resources.
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 02:47 AM
Response to Reply #71
101. Here's the photo another posted for you, guess you didn't see it.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 05:15 AM
Response to Reply #4
44. I can and always will criticize him
Fuck him....... after millions of deaths that he caused.
Talk about mental anguish, geez
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Titanothere Donating Member (198 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 08:26 AM
Response to Reply #44
49. Millions of deaths?
How to you calculate that? More military men died under Clinton than Bush.
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 09:01 AM
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51. "More military men died under Clinton than Bush."


Got proof?

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Ishoutandscream2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 09:07 AM
Response to Reply #49
52. Yikes! You're kidding, right?
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Titanothere Donating Member (198 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 09:28 AM
Response to Reply #49
53. I'll have to look up the reference
But all told, with the various conflicts & accidents the death toll under Clinton was greater than Bush. Strange but true.
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Patchuli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 10:20 PM
Response to Reply #53
72. That would hardly be a elusive "reference"
if such bullshit were true. You W?
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Titanothere Donating Member (198 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 10:00 AM
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54. My bad, I guess that's an urban legend but it is pretty close
Comments: The claim that there were more U.S. military fatalities during the Bill Clinton administration than there have been to date under George W. Bush is false. Moreover, that erroneous conclusion was based on falsified statistics.

Using the actual figures from the Congressional Research Service report cited above, the total military deaths under each of the two administrations are as follows:

Bill Clinton (1993 - 2000) ............. 7,500 deaths

George W. Bush (2001 - 2006) .... 8,989 deaths
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AlecBGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 11:00 AM
Response to Reply #54
55. link?
its traditional to post a link citing the source, otherwise anyone can just cite whatever the hell they want and claim it as fact. Example:

Who is a bigger toolbag? (1000 respondants, MOE +/- 2.1%)

Bill Clinton - 21%
George W. Bush - 78%
Other - 1%

See how easy that is!?

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Titanothere Donating Member (198 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 12:09 PM
Response to Reply #55
58. link
And no,it doesn't include contractor deaths, which I know are pretty high. I heard second hand that KBR had lost thousands, but I haven't seen any real stats. I friend of mines husband works as a ... well, the same job Hassan had, but for KBR. He'd know but I haven't asked him.

http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl_military_death...
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surrealAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 11:20 AM
Response to Reply #54
57. That statistic is from 2006.
You'll probably find different numbers if you include the whole of Bush's presidency.

It also doesn't include "private contractors".
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hileeopnyn8d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 12:33 PM
Response to Reply #54
87. Did you miss
the part where it says only 76 of those deaths under Clinton occurred from hostile action?

The rest are car accidents, illness, homicide and natural causes. Compared to Bush, where as of 2006, 2,596 were from war. And we KNOW it is higher than that.

Nice try though.
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Sadie5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 08:23 AM
Response to Reply #49
75. Trolls a plenty
Crawl back into your cave.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 10:46 AM
Response to Reply #49
81. Link? There were no major wars in those 8 years
So, unless you are speaking of WWII, Korean, and Vietnam War vets dying after years back home, you are likely completely wrong and possibly a troll.
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24601 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 09:26 PM
Response to Reply #49
92. No, more military have died under Bush than Clinton. But with
inaction over the 1994 Rwanda genocide, many more people died under Clinton than Bush and the number still was probably under a million - closer to 800,000. But since they weren't white, it isn't covered very well in the press or in history books.
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newspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-22-09 12:23 PM
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96. so, how many Iraqi civilians have died under *?
How many have died in both countries from bombing and "oops" we accidentally shot up a family's car or "oops" we accidentally shot up a wedding. And, there were some that knew this preemptive assault was a lie. So, tell me do you think that the deaths in Iraq (including birth deformities and certain types of cancer) have reached over a million?

I do agree that Rawanda was a travesty, that should have been circumvented. The UN knew that violence was escalating, and you're right we did nothing.
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Sheltiemama Donating Member (892 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 09:12 PM
Response to Reply #4
69. I have no problem with him doing this.
He's a former president and a former governor of Texas. This was appropriate, and I give him credit for doing it.
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Blasphemer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 10:21 AM
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79. I agree.. it's perfectly acceptable former-POTUS behavior... nt
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 02:46 PM
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mstinamotorcity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 02:46 PM
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6. Please you know what that is...
Photo Ops for his up coming library. Anybody got some Pepto i think i am going to be sick.
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Amerigo Vespucci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 02:52 PM
Response to Reply #6
9. Absolutely.
He'll never tire when it comes to photo ops. Never.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 02:55 PM
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10. They should grab him and make him complete his military service.
There's a war out there with his name on it.
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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 02:56 PM
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11. Haven't they suffered enough already?
Talk about adding insult to injury.
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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 10:02 AM
Response to Reply #11
76. Exactly. This is mostly his fault.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 02:57 PM
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12. Too late, Shrub. You've been relieved of the duty you neglected. n/t
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 03:00 PM
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14. BFD
He's still responsible.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 03:14 PM
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16. He spent very little time visiting the victims of his wrongful war on Iraq. n/t
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caseymoz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 03:35 PM
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19. Horrifying the ranks with the meerist vision that he was still president.
Edited on Sat Nov-07-09 03:36 PM by caseymoz
But no, I really can't criticize him for this.
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Gman2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 03:37 PM
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20. This is to innoculate him against the recently updated charge, that he didnt visit any funerals
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 04:56 PM
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25. I think it's also a backhanded jab at Obama
Edited on Sat Nov-07-09 04:56 PM by rocktivity
Nothing like this ever happened on a military base on HIS watch!

:eyes:
rocktivity
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Gman2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 05:30 PM
Response to Reply #25
30. I dont think Georgie Porgy is doing any funny business. He would rather hide.
Mostly. And do neocon speeches.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 02:45 AM
Response to Reply #25
42. "The White House announced today the Obamas plan to attend a memorial service there on Tuesday"
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 05:49 AM
Response to Reply #25
45. Obama Quietly Visits Wounded Troops (6 Nov)
By Jeff Zeleny

There were no television cameras trailing President Obama on Friday afternoon as he visited wounded soldiers and family members at Walter Reed Army Medical Center.

It is a standard practice for the president the same rule his predecessors followed when visiting troops injured in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. For nearly two hours, Mr. Obama spent time with 19 soldiers and three families of soldiers in the intensive care unit. He also awarded two Purple Hearts.

The White House said the trip was unrelated to the massacre at Fort Hood, but the afternoon visit certainly drew more notice because of the shootings in Texas.

He did not speak to reporters when he arrived at Walter Reed ...

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/11/06/obama-qui...
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 04:16 PM
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21. It's disgusting that a war criminal can get attention & credit for
using a tragedy on a military post to boost his legitimacy, which the attention and credit only contributes to


The man is a war criminal and not just any war criminal either. He was the President in the criminal executive that implemented a torture program, that lied and trumped up evidence to start a war, that committed multiple crimes and abuses of office - actions that directly harmed the very community he is using as a photo-op now. (and not just them)









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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 04:29 PM
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22. Was it a photo op he loves those
AND by the way...where's Perry. Does he have a paramour in one of the Latin Countries.
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maglatinavi Donating Member (614 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 04:52 PM
Response to Reply #22
24. Perry
He is an assassin ...please keep him away fron decent people and soldiers, lest he soils the ambience already soiled by Dubhya's visit... :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:
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Christa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 04:48 PM
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23. He owns the Fort Hood Tragedy
as much as he owns the wars.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 05:12 PM
Response to Reply #23
27. Bingo. Sums up the entire episode.
!
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Francis Marion Donating Member (188 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 08:18 PM
Response to Reply #23
34. Does this absolve the good doctor of blame? Clarify please.
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Titanothere Donating Member (198 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 08:28 AM
Response to Reply #23
50. Actually, Hassan owns that tragedy
Maybe you missed the story on who pulled the trigger?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 08:18 AM
Response to Reply #50
74. Maybe YOU missed that Bush was sending mentally unstable troops for duty throughout his terms
Edited on Mon Nov-09-09 08:20 AM by blm
as early as 2001 and systematically IGNORED the laws that required mental evaluations for all military personnel.

In 2002 Kerry and some other Dem lawmakers requested Bush fulfill this LEGAL OBLIGATION and he and Rumsfeld chose not to. I am sure Hasan and others had to deal with the the far-reaching damage of that decision, not to mention Bush's decision to go into war based in LIES.
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Titanothere Donating Member (198 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 10:05 AM
Response to Reply #74
77. Well, let's all shed a tear for poor Mr Hasan
he was sooo mistreated. Oh wait, he never even saw a deployment, just easy living in the USA. Are you suggesting his killing spree was justified because of Bush's LIES? Tell that to the families of the slain.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 10:14 AM
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78. You completely missed the point - it's clear he broke mentally - you excuse Bush who had REAL POWER
and was required to follow the LAW, especially as commander-in-chief, and you want to put ALL blame on someone who clearly had mental problems and ADDED stress in his job counseling OTHER troops with mental vulnerabilities EXACERBATED by Bush's decisions.

How many mothers and fathers do the unthinkable - broken people from everyday stress, not just because of financial strains and daily work burdens, but, also because they were never prepared for the burdens of parenthood?

Bush had a power over military personnel that he deliberately used for WRONG and you want to put ALL blame only on the broken individual? Are you even AWARE of how many homicides, suicides and increased violence has been occuring in the miliatry the last 8 years?

You think incidents like this happen in a vacuum?

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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 11:35 AM
Response to Reply #77
82. Enjoy your stay.
Brief though it may be.
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Titanothere Donating Member (198 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 12:04 PM
Response to Reply #82
83. So I'm supposed to have sympathy for this murderer
and blame the whole thing on Bush?

Seriously?

I'm dumbfounded. You kick people off this board who are AGAINST people shooting up American military bases?

Wow.

As someone who lives not too far from Ft Hood I'm more than a little pissed at this a-hole Hasan and am in no mood to pontificate about how it's really all W's fault. Maybe if you lived around here or had friends/family in the military you'd be a little less "understanding" of Hasan and give less of a crap about his motives.

I guess people with less than a 1000+ posts are supposed to do what they're told, think like they're told and post nothing but agreements to the veterans.

Maybe I will get the boot; have fun living in a fantasy land where thought and opinions are dictated for you. Holy friggin crap; I expected more out of a board called "Democratic" Underground; I guess I was misinformed on the recommendation to come out here.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 12:11 PM
Response to Reply #83
85. Try going back to the POINT of the post and leave the hyperbole behind.
You leap quickly to attack and assign all blame to Hasan, who clearly broke mentally, while ignoring that violent incidents, including homicides and suicides have increased substantially the last 8yrs, and coinciding with Bush's decision to forego strict mental evaluations for military personnel since 2001.

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Titanothere Donating Member (198 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 12:26 PM
Response to Reply #85
86. If what you're saying is that the Army, under GWB's direction,
has allowed unstable loons to be in positions where they can wreak havok, then I'll certainly have to agree to that (not knowing the details of the directives you mention). Hasan should have been removed years earlier, but that doesn't absolve him of responsibility for his actions, and he's still a scumbag, GWB or no.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 01:02 PM
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89. Of course he gets the giant share of the blame - but, Bush had POWER to do the right thing for ALL
military personnel and their families and CHOSE NOT TO for over 7 years. He also did NOTHING to halt the 'Holy War' assignation for these wars, and, instead exacerbated that sentiment with his own choice of language. How do you think Muslim military personnel reaching the brink mentally felt with their religion targeted as the enemy nearly every day for all those years? Even relatively healthy minds can break from that much vitriol hurled at them for years.

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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 12:36 PM
Response to Reply #83
88. So many strawmen, so little time.
FR has warped your brain, little one. Put down the Beck-pipe and back away slowly.

Oh, and why do you hate America? :hi:
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 04:59 PM
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26. You see why we invaded Iraq
:sarcasm:
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lib2DaBone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 05:16 PM
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28. Oh good god... gag a magot......
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tomm2thumbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 05:18 PM
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29. visiting a portion of his handiwork, long overdue

I wonder if anyone threw an army boot at him
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LastLiberal in PalmSprings Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 06:14 PM
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31. Even an ex-president's visit is a major event
You've got to divert resources that would better be used elsewhere. This includes the command staff. Although this is a military base, the recent atrocity has demonstrated that even in such a tightly controlled environment it's possible for one determined individual to wreak havoc.

When W. chose to do his photo-op (most likely to rehabilitate his image -- he loved playing the Commander-in-Chief role on military bases, where by regulation no one could disagree with him) he sucked military and civilian security personnel away from performing their primary duties.

He could have done a fly-over (like Katrina) and used a photo of him looking thoughtfully out the aircraft (like Katrina) with an appropriate caption lauding his concern for the victims (like Katrina).

Hell, he could have gotten that photo without even leaving the ground.
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Londra kulesi muhaf Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 06:46 PM
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32. I can't wait for the photos and video of this little stunt!
It will be good to see the soldiers flipping that azzhole the bird and booing him and his wife! How was he even allowed on the base with his entourage of reporters and photographers and various hangers on? It's just disgusting what those people had to go through.
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Big_Mike Donating Member (274 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 01:06 PM
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60. No, I think there will be few, if any, pics come out
* used to visit Walter Reed quite often, and he almost NEVER told the press or published photos. The only photos I ever saw were ones that family members took or the service members themselves gave out that showed him at all.
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 08:38 PM
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35. "...George W. Bush and his wife, Laura..."
"...the couple thanked Fort Hood's military leaders and hospital staff for the 'amazing care they are providing.'"

"...Army psychiatrist, Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, is accused of killing 13 people and wounding 29..."

....amazifying....

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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 11:23 PM
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36. We don't like him (with good reason) but this was the right thing to do. Really. nt
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Algorem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 12:16 AM
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37. "See,I was right it's a Crusade.Now go kill Ol' George up a mess of Moslems,soldier people."
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harry_pothead Donating Member (752 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 12:40 AM
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38. As bad a president as Lesser Bush was
This kind of thing is a standard non-controversial ex-presidential thing.
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vadawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 12:55 AM
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39. especially as it happened on his doorstep so to speak,
not got any problem with this at all...
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 04:15 AM
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43. And was the sonofabitch drunk too? I mean we all know he's nuts. Who took his picture for his
fireplace?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 07:04 AM
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western mass Donating Member (718 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 07:53 AM
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47. the ass** knows a lot about murdering American soldiers
he managed to kill a few thousand himself.
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thepeopleunited Donating Member (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 07:58 AM
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48. Didn't he visit ground zero too?
Just sayin'.
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AlecBGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 11:03 AM
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56. Maybe its genuine, maybe not
I have a student who lies constantly. Therefore anytime he says something, I think to myself "bull$hit."

Bush has shown himself to be a warmongering wingnut, an imbecile and an arrogant, unapologetic asshole. So his trip to Ft. Hood might be out of genuine concern and a desire to help, but the last 8 years make me think otherwise.
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BigBluenoser Donating Member (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 12:11 PM
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59. All I know is that the soldiers in this part of TX....
Love George Bush. Seriously, they do. Not all, but most. They all bought the shiny pro-soldier package and never opened the box.
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stopchildabuse Donating Member (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 04:31 PM
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61. violence
Violence has become such a large part of our culture. When will people learn to stop.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 05:48 PM
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62. Ironically printed today on my local rag
President Obama went to Dover Air Force Base in the middle of the night to salute the 18 fallen soldiers who came back from Afghanistan. Did he use it as a photo op because he knows he is unpopular with the military? I don't remember President Bush ever going there with all those photographers around him.

-- Mary Griffin, Richmond

http://www2.timesdispatch.com/rtd/news/opinion/commenta...
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 06:00 PM
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63. Good for him.
That's not a bad way for an ex-President to spend his time.
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TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 07:19 PM
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65. He should be spending his days incarcerated.
Edited on Sun Nov-08-09 07:19 PM by TheWatcher
As for the soldiers he visited, He's the reason they are there.

He's a piece of shit War Criminal and should be given no credit for anything.
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TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 07:17 PM
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64. "Hitler Visits Auschwitz, Doomed Prisoners"
Color me unimpressed, you giggling murderer.

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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 08:26 PM
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67. I'm sure his publicist told him this will help him improve his brand.
Yes, I actually think Bush is that shallow and cynical.
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lynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 08:38 PM
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68. Certainly reasonable, I applaud him for doing this -
- Like him or not, as a former President this visit was certainly understandable. Bush resides in Texas so it's on his home turf. I've seen no photo's of him from this visit so I don't see how anyone can consider it a photo-op.

I am glad they made the visit for sake of the soldiers and their families.
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bamacrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 10:25 AM
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80. I wonder if he feels at all responsible for this?
Sending our troops to an unnecessary war to die for something that is not clear or needed makes people snap. Very sad this happened.
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BreweryYardRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 08:02 PM
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90. La Famiglia is pulling the puppet strings again.
ANYONE think he'd do this of his own volition?
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white cloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 08:21 AM
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93. Bush ......debunk this pictures please
Edited on Sat Nov-21-09 08:29 AM by white cloud
These photo chopped picture and story show up every day.
Tommorrow it will be something about Obama and China.
Freeper are really pissed 2 year olds.


http://www.texashuntingforum.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/t...
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 12:18 PM
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95. Did he open his remarks with "So who are we honoring here?"
It seems to be his MO.

' BLITZER: All right. So tell us a little bit about what you're doing now. You had a chance to meet with the president, we're told, last summer. Is that right?

SHEEHAN: I met with him, I think, about June 17th last year. It was about two and a half months after Casey had died. And it was me...

BLITZER: Was that a private meeting, just you and the president?

SHEEHAN: It was me and my family, my other three children and my husband.

BLITZER: What did you say...

SHEEHAN: And we met with about 15 other -- about 15 other families were there also. But we got to -- he came in individually and met with each one of us individually.

BLITZER: And so, what did you say to him then?

SHEEHAN: It was -- you know, there was a lot of things said. We wanted to use the time for him to know that he killed an indispensable part of our family and humanity. And we wanted him to look at the pictures of Casey.

He wouldn't look at the pictures of Casey. He didn't even know Casey's name. He came in the room and the very first thing he said is, "So who are we honoring here?" He didn't even know Casey's name. He didn't want to hear it. He didn't want to hear anything about Casey. He wouldn't even call him "him" or "he." He called him "your loved one."

Every time we tried to talk about Casey and how much we missed him, he would change the subject. And he acted like it was a party.

BLITZER: Like a party? I mean...

SHEEHAN: Yes, he came in very jovial, and like we should be happy that he, our son, died for his misguided policies. He didn't even pretend like somebody...


Juan Cole
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weeicemon Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 05:43 PM
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98. Why Didn't Nobama Visit Ft. Hood VIctims?
Why wasn't Nobama at Ft. Hood visitng the victims of that
animal's attack? Planning to try to get the 2011 Super Bowl
in Chicago for his Chicago thug buddies? I'll forego all the
obvious differences between how Bush kept us safe from our
enemies and how Nobama does his level best to make them as
comfotable as  possible (prosecuting CIA, bagels & cream
cheese in NYC trial for 9-11 killers, giving away
intellegence secrets, etc) and sum it up in 1 sentence.

President George W. Bush loves America and Barack Obama hates
America.
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Nickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 05:50 PM
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99. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH! Fricking lying troll!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-22-09 01:06 PM
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Thor_MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 06:15 PM
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100. Well, now that he's done vacatin' n' cuttin' brush he has time to spare fer little things
Unimportant things.
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