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bigworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 08:26 PM
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Texas Gunman was not killed, is alive and in custody
Edited on Thu Nov-05-09 08:27 PM by bigworld
Source: BBC

A US army major has opened fire on fellow soldiers at the Fort Hood military base in Texas, with death toll now standing at 12, with 31 injured.

Base commander Lt Gen Bob Cone has now said that the gunman was not killed, as earlier stated, but is in custody.

Two other suspects were questioned, but the army now says only one gunman was involved in the incident.

Lt Gen Cone said the motive for the shooting was not known. One of the dead was a policeman, others were soldiers.

President Barack Obama described it as "a horrific outburst of violence".

The gunman has been named Major Nidal Malik Hasan, and he is now said to be wounded, but in a stable condition in custody

Read more: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8345713.stm



Also -- other two soldiers questioned as possible accomplices have been released.
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tomm2thumbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 08:31 PM
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1. good news that the lady officer who intervened survived

a lot of off-news today
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gabyhakenzamp Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 08:33 PM
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2. Why did they lie about him being killed then?
Edited on Thu Nov-05-09 08:33 PM by gabyhakenzamp
I saw a representative of Fort Hood stating that the man "was killed" earlier.
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 08:42 PM
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3. weird
:shrug:

will wait to see what is real
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 08:49 PM
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4. Perhaps he was simply wrong. n/t
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 09:21 PM
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8. Or perhaps he didn't expect to be wrong, except in tense.
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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 08:50 PM
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5. It was probably very confusing and stressful on base
Word was also that the female shooter who finally nailed him was killed.
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DWilliamsamh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 11:27 PM
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27. Or maybe in the immediate aftermath of a HORRIFIC event - they were just wrong?
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tomm2thumbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 09:06 PM
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6. For them to get so much wrong in a direct press conference ??
Edited on Thu Nov-05-09 09:07 PM by tomm2thumbs

The point of a press conference is to give out accurate, known information, so to have released completely inaccurate information during a press conference and get both the first responder and shooter as both dead - and then later, both alive, is very 'off' no matter what the situation.
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 09:20 PM
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7. The point of a press conference..
.. is to stop speculation and get _somewhat_ on message, not to be 100% right.
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tomm2thumbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 09:27 PM
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10. that made me laugh - thanks
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DissedByBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 09:25 PM
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9. There's so much pressure from the press for information
They do sometimes cave in and give out something early in a case like this without knowing the full story.

Army PAO isn't an easy job when the feces hits the oscillating blades.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 11:21 PM
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25. exactly right
I suspect the folks second guessing here have no flipping clue as to how chaotic things were in Ft. Hood, with more than 40 wounded or dead, police, military, EMTs all converging, trying to get the injured treated and moved to various hospitals. No one person could know what had gone on or have all the facts and the person who has to face the press simply is going on faith that the information he/she is given is accurate. Often times, owing to the fact that these aren't tidy, organized events, that turns out not to be the case.

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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 09:29 PM
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11. Something does not add up here. Seems strange.
I don't know what to believe. :(
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 11:21 PM
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26. only if you don't appreciate the chaotic nature of the event
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2Design Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 09:31 PM
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12. Teaching people to kill messes up their mind - no surprise here n/t
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deepplaya Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 10:06 PM
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13. Multiple gunman?
Sure I can see that as an initial report. Its texas. I'll bet that one gunman started shooting people and 10 others pulled out their guns and did't know who was the original shooter. What I would like to see is the ballistics report on the wounded. The question now becomes how much friendly fire occured?
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 10:20 PM
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14. *ring* *ring* "Cluefone?" "Yes, right here. One sec".. It's for you.
Edited on Thu Nov-05-09 10:53 PM by X_Digger
The only ones legally armed on _any_ domestic military base, Texas or no, are the MPs.

eta: and those on the range, of course.
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 05:46 AM
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37. I didn't know that. If the killer had access to two guns, then it was either premeditated
to a greater degree than I first thought or a very unfortunate coincidence that those guns were accessible when he flipped out.
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nolabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 10:20 PM
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15. I know it's hard, but it would be a good idea to give it time.
Hard to know what's what, but I'm glad he's alive and, I hope, can give people an idea why on earth he would do such a thing.
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BrightKnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 10:41 PM
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16. His table is waiting.
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MetaTrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 10:50 PM
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17. When command-rank military psychiatrists start going on shooting rampages
you wonder how far behind the grunts are.
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BREMPRO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 11:16 PM
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23. just read that he was isolated and bullied by fellow soldiers for his Muslim name
and angry - similar story to other mass shootings. Need more details to understand this, but these kind of shootings will keep happening here until our culture gets a handle on bigotry, racism and bullying.
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 11:20 PM
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24. EVERYONE is isolated an bullied at one point during a military career
it is just part of it. Stuff that would NEVER fly in the real world in normal in the military, or was 10 years ago.. Race, religion, accents whatever was fair game. No one got shot over it. Being fucked with is part of the culture.

he had plenty of options as a fucking MAJOR than to go on a shooting spree. He is a human turd and hope the rest of his life is miserable.
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DWilliamsamh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 11:57 PM
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29. I hope the rest of his lfe is short///Or that Marsellus Wallace gets a shot at him...
Marsellus: What now? Let me tell you what now. I'ma call a coupla hard, pipe-hittin' n*****s, who'll go to work on the homes here with a pair of pliers and a blow torch......This shit is between me, you, and Mr. Soon-To-Be-Living-The-Rest-of-His-Short-Ass-Life-In-Agonizing-Pain

PS - I only replaced the N word because I don't want some jack ass accusing me of racism for quoting a movie. Yeah this has me pissed.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 02:23 AM
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35. He's going to go to a military prison.
Filled with soldiers (while still being there for criminal offenses) that will not look favorable on his rampage. He'll probably be isolation until his execution. They would tear him apart in the general population.
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DWilliamsamh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 12:05 PM
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41. That's too good for him. Put him in Gen-Pop. (N/T)
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 12:16 PM
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44. IMO, that's sick-minded. I hope he serves the rest of his life in prison, but if he has a brain
injury, he may die when they disconnect the ventilator.

It serves NO civilized purpose to ramp up THE HATE. My friends from Jordan are going to experience even more discrimination. It's VILE.

Don't spread the hate. Yes we want justice for the victims. Justice is having this man spend the rest of his days in prison. Execution and retribution has kept our blessed nation "hate filled." It's time to become like other westernized nations and abolish the death penalty.
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DWilliamsamh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 01:27 PM
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48. Your friends from Jordan should not be targeted...no one but this a-hole should.
Edited on Fri Nov-06-09 01:28 PM by DWilliamsamh
And I didn't imply anything different.

It is appropriate (if not very 'evolved') to hate this douche bag. Screw him. I hope he recovers and is put in Gen-Pop and gets shit beaten out of him every single day her serves until they strep his ass to the execution table.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 11:03 PM
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18. he's probably going to wish he was killed.
i don't see him being treated real well once he recovers.

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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 11:11 PM
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21. He is going to have a real nice time in lock up
before he gets put to sleep. Maybe he can come up with an insanity defense, considering his background. What a piece of shit he is, he should have just eaten that sidearm.
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DWilliamsamh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 11:58 PM
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30. I agree ---- why do these a-holes always try to take others with them to hell?
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 12:27 PM
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47. An insantity defense, considering his background? What does that mean?
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excess_3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 05:38 AM
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36. Texas will ask for the death penalty
Edited on Fri Nov-06-09 05:51 AM by excess_3
even if the military doesn't

edit, adding...

if the state of Texas gets their hands on him,
his wish will be granted
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gmoney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 11:06 PM
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19. well, at least we might get some answers as to why...
Edited on Thu Nov-05-09 11:06 PM by gmoney
the shooters generall off themselves or aren't taken alive, and it leads to endless speculation as to "why" and "how" and such... perhaps at some point, he'll at least explain himself.
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FatDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 01:55 AM
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34. Agree.
I understand everyone's lust for revenge right now, but this is a rare opportunity to ask a mass murderer "dude, what the fuck?"
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WatchWhatISay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 11:07 PM
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20. "Texas Gunman?
From my understanding, he has only been in Texas for 2 months.

We have enough loonies here without attributing this guy to us.
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BrightKnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 11:44 PM
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28. He is not from Texas and his car had Virginia plates. - n/t
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CrunchMaster Donating Member (308 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 01:00 AM
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32. I think someone would say...
Its not so much a Texas thing as it is a Red State thing. No one hates Texans. But at the same time, before the media goes off and starts rally the war cry to kill Arabs again... lets take a look closer at what the hell is going on in Texas
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 11:11 PM
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22. Newsflash to some here....
First reports are almost ALWAYS wrong! This is even more so in this day and age with so many "journalists" releasing information, often nothing more than speculation. This doesn't mean there is a grand conspiracy, it doesn't mean they were lying, when it really comes down to the reality of the situation, it is really important to wait for the dust to settle, so to speak, before the real story emerges.
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Dreamer Tatum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 12:11 PM
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42. Not worth the effort nt
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 12:21 PM
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46. +1
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CrunchMaster Donating Member (308 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 01:31 AM
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33. And of course he fakes his ID as Palestinian yet he is allowed to stay in mil
He drew attention from federal agents because of internet postings about suicide bombings
But, more recently, federal agents grew suspicious.

At least six months ago, Hasan came to the attention of law enforcement officials because of Internet postings about suicide bombings and other threats, including posts that equated suicide bombers to soldiers who throw themselves on a grenade to save the lives of their comrades.

The guy lists his nationality as Palestian(Sirhan Sirhan anyone?) but he was not Palestinian(bad guys are always Palestinian)
On a form filled out by those seeking spouses through a program at the mosque, Hasan listed his birthplace as Arlington, Va., but his nationality as Palestinian, Khan said.

"I don't know why he listed Palestinian," Khan said, "He was not born in Palestine."


He had been at Virginia Tech where that other "Lone Nut" shot up a bunch of people
He served eight years as an enlisted soldier. He also served in the ROTC as an undergraduate at Virginia Tech University in Blacksburg. He received a bachelor's degree in biochemistry there in 1997.

http://www.statesman.com/news/content/gen/ap/US_Fort_Ho...

So a guy lying about his nationality and who repeatedly tells everyone around him how much the military sucks is allowed to stay in the military and go back to Iraq. This makes no sense. stinks.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 12:20 PM
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45. With a degree in bio-chemistry, he may have been INSANE but he was no IDIOT.
Edited on Fri Nov-06-09 12:21 PM by ShortnFiery
That fact makes this horrific action even more disturbing from the outside looking in. :(
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 07:24 AM
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39. Army: Suspect said `Allahu Akbar!' before shooting

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_fort_hood_shooting ;_ylt=Ah8PnBtvNlzmpb2ju5WKPR.WwvIE;_ylu=X3oDMTE2czNkZjM3BHBvcwMxBHNlYwN5bi1yLWItbGVmdARzbGsDLWFybXlwb3N0c2hv
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 12:12 PM
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43. Yes, even when I was active duty, I did not automatically believe everything "The Army"
told me to be TRUE. :eyes:
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