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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 12:08 PM
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Policeman who killed British troops 'is back with Taliban'
Source: The Guardian

The gunman who killed five British soldiers in an attack in Afghanistan's Helmand province was today back with Taliban fighters who greeted him with flowers, sources close to the Afghan security forces said.

The killer identified only as a policeman called Gulbadin was back under Taliban protection, the source said.

British and Afghan commanders were undertaking an urgent investigation into the circumstances of the attack.

The Ministry of Defence named the five soldiers who died in the attack as Warrant Officer Darren Chant, Sergeant Matthew Telford, Guardsman James Major, Acting Corporal Steven Boote and Corporal Nicholas Webster-Smith.

Military officials said the men were shot as they drank tea at a military compound in the village of Shin Kalay.

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Speaking after the killings, tribal elders said they were aware Gulbadin had Taliban links.

Read more: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/05/afghanistan...




Clockwise from top left: Sergeant Matthew Telford, Corporal Nicholas
Webster-Smith, Warrant Office Darren Chant and Guardsman James Major,
killed in a Helmand province gun attack. Photograph: BBC
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laststeamtrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 12:14 PM
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1. Taliban Has Infiltrated Afghan Police, Ex-U.K. Soldier Says
Taliban Has Infiltrated Afghan Police, Ex-U.K. Soldier Says

By Kitty Donaldson and Caroline Alexander

Nov. 5 (Bloomberg) -- The Afghan police force has been infiltrated at every level by the Taliban, a retired British soldier who mentored police in Afghanistan said.

The policemen are influenced either ideologically or financially, former Captain Doug Beattie said in a telephone interview today. They are not Taliban sleeper cells. They are radicalized once they are in the job.

While Afghanistans Army works well, its police organization is not a credible force, said Beattie, who was in Helmand province in 2006 to 2008 and is author of Task Force Helmand: A Soldiers Story of Life, Death and Combat (Simon & Schuster UK, 368 pages, 17.99 pounds ($29.84)). Police recruits are neither vetted nor paid enough, and have a miserable life, he said.

The U.K. Ministry of Defence released today the identities of five soldiers killed at an Afghan police base on Nov. 3 by a Taliban gunman who had infiltrated the force. Six other soldiers were seriously wounded in the shooting in the Nad-eAli district of Helmand province.

The soldiers were living and working in the compound as part of a strategy to train and mentor Afghan national police and army officers so that they can function on their own and U.K. forces can return home.

The incident has brought Prime Minister Gordon Browns strategy of Afghanization into public focus and reignited a debate about whether the 9,000-strong British force should stay in the country. Another stated aim is to prevent the use of Afghanistan as a training ground for terrorists who aim to take lives in the West.

<more>

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601102&sid=alx...
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 12:29 PM
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2. The "graveyard of empires" thing isn't just bullshit & bluster.
We use drones for assassination, they use guys, who's the bad guys?
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 05:31 PM
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3. They are
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951-Riverside Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 05:52 PM
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4. Yeah.... thats not going to work out too well for him
He probably thinks the British are just any other local force where he can kill them and go home and be treated as a hero. In a few days he's probably going to hear the faint sound of a helicopter or jet then a very brief pop followed by blackness (if his brain is still intact).
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 08:39 PM
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5. And then they will kill some more British
And so on.
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bermudat Donating Member (985 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 09:25 PM
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6. and take his family with him.
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 11:47 PM
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7. "the British commander of Nato troops said every effort was being made to track down the killer."
That probably means the SAS are on it and will try and bring him in to face trial, if they can. And in reply to the other posters who replied to you, the Brits don't just go around recklessly bombing civilians in Afghanistan.
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Alamuti Lotus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 08:34 AM
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8. face trial for what?
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architect359 Donating Member (544 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 08:38 AM
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9. how about for murder? n/t
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Alamuti Lotus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 08:50 AM
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10. attacking a foreign occupation army is a crime?
What trials should the foreign occupyers stand before--mere loitering?
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 10:12 AM
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11. The British aren't there illegaly
Even though Taliban apologists would like everyone to think otherwise.

And yes, it was murder.

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Flaneur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 01:07 PM
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13. Shit happens when you invade other people's countries.
Call it whatever you like. Those Brits are dead because they went to make war in Afghanistan.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 01:27 PM
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 10:21 AM
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12. Reality check. He will face a man
he does not see and his life will end when a 338Lap round splits his head. He should shoot himself now and save someone the trouble.

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Flaneur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 01:08 PM
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14. Enjoy your masturbatory fantasies.
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mamaleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 01:13 PM
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15. And the crowd here who try to find a way to justify the death
of every British, Canadian, or US soldier enjoy daily masturbation. You are just upset that someone might kill this bastard.
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ronnie624 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 01:35 PM
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17. Not justify the death, but instead, understand it.
There is nothing unreasonable in pointing out the fact, that when you invade and occupy another country, at least some of the rightful inhabitants will try to kill you, and sometimes they will succeed. Nothing about the historical record indicates that maintaining empire will be easy.
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mamaleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 01:38 PM
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19. Sorry my sympathies lie with our troops.
And the British troops as well. And always will.
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Flaneur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 01:36 PM
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18. I don't have to justify their deaths. Why don't you give it a try?
I could care less if someone shoots "this bastard." I don't even know who he is.

I just don't get off on big gun graphics and macho bluster.
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