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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 05:06 PM
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Man ran down 'too Westernized' daughter
Source: CNN

CNN) -- Arizona police are looking for a man who they allege ran down his daughter and her friend because he believed his daughter had become "too Westernized."

Police say they're looking for Faleh Hassan Almaleki, who they say struck two people with a vehicle Tuesday.

Peoria, Arizona, police said Wednesday that Faleh Hassan Almaleki, 48, struck his 20-year-old daughter, Noor Faleh Almaleki, and her friend Amal Edan Khalaf with a vehicle he was driving in a parking lot Tuesday afternoon.

Faleh Hassan Almaleki was angry with his daughter "as she had become too 'Westernized' and was not living according to traditional Iraq values," Peoria police said in a statement released Wednesday.

Noor Faleh Almaleki is hospitalized with life-threatening injuries, according to the statement. Khalaf, 43, received injuries that are not life-threatening but is still in the hospital, police said.



Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/10/21/arizona.iraqi.daugh...
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DontTreadOnMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 05:12 PM
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1. Progress
Well at least Faleh Hassan Almaleki has moved into the 21st Century, and ran over his daughter with a car.
Before the invention of the automobile, children who became "too westernized" were trampled by horses.

<facepalm>
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apnu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 12:34 PM
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55. LOL! good one (nt)
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virgogal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 05:13 PM
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2. Too westernized? Then why did he bring her here to live?
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cosmicone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 05:15 PM
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4. yeah
and it is perfectly okay for their boys to be westernized !!
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KakistocracyHater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 09:03 PM
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57. yeah they get to wear western clothes-but not the girls
I can't call this parental love.......
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RedCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 06:01 PM
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14. maybe he thought a cowboy state would be reckoning rightly.
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DissedByBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 07:08 PM
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27. Some don't want to come here to live in our country
They want to come here for the opportunity but still live as if they were in their old country.

Hell, they're already demanding Sharia law in the UK.
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BennyD Donating Member (207 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 11:04 AM
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46. Many come here for the education, usually for university. n/t
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 06:58 AM
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44. Maybe his house was blown up by Western bombs.
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 11:12 AM
Response to Reply #44
47. And if it was?
What is your point?
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Dorian Gray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-23-09 05:25 AM
Response to Reply #44
65. So, in retaliation,
he moves here and runs over his daughter and her friend in his car? WTF?
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 05:13 PM
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3. Why do these guys come here?
just stay in whatever shithole you came from. Hypocritical bastards.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 05:15 PM
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5. It's not limited to people from Islamic countries.
A lot of first generation immigrants go wacky when their children adapt to this country in ways they can't manage to.

A friend in high school was married off to a woman in Greece he had never met before the wedding (his parents just took him for a visit, you see) because they were afraid he'd marry a non Greek or even an Americanized Greek. It was the end of his education, too.
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 05:25 PM
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7. Yes, I knew 2 guys in college who were depressed about returning ot Pakistan
Their mothers/sisters would have wives waiting. The mothers/sisters scope out women for the
men to marry. They had become used to the western way and delayed returning to their country as long as possible. They explained that refusing to marry the chosen woman was not an option..they'd be kicked out of the family and, there, family is everything.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 05:26 PM
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10. I know a guy from Pakistan who was in the same situation
He went back for a visit and met the woman they'd picked out.

She is a knockout, university educated, and well suited. The wedding was a year ago, they're here, and pretty happy about the whole thing.

The world is a very strange place.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 06:49 PM
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23. Some of us are just lucky about stuff like that. Interesting.
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izquierdista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 07:53 PM
Response to Reply #7
33. If family is "everything", I'd opt for "nothing"
A family like that is a boat anchor.
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Sen. Walter Sobchak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 05:25 PM
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8. I saw alot of that growing up,
Edited on Wed Oct-21-09 05:28 PM by Sen. Walter Sobchak
I grew up in an area full of refugees from Iran and South Vietnam and went through school with their kids. The Vietnamese girls and Iranian boys seemed to assimilate practically overnight and the culture shock for the parents was enormous. The Iranians were generally secular, these were people who fled the revolution. Being in a strange new country is tough enough - it is even tougher when that strange new land comes to the kitchen table every night.

The Vietnamese parents especially freaked out as their daughters became "valley girls".
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kwassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 08:38 PM
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38. I saw this problem with Vietnamese immigrant families I used to work with
in a social services program.

In the traditional Vietnamese family, the father is the king of the extended family, is often 10 years older than the wife (who will control the finances, surprisingly) but in the US they can't live together in the extended family groups the way they do in Vietnam. The father loses his power and influence, and often does not take it well. A cornerstone of his identity has been removed from him.

The immigrants I worked with recognized this problem themselves.

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Jkid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 06:06 PM
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16. ...and possible the end of his life as he know it
Torn away from what he knows, his friends, his american life and forced into a culture that he has never known, into a loveless marriage? The first chance he gets, he should divorce her. It's nothing more than a loveless marriage to only please his parents.

What really happened to him anyway?
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 07:44 PM
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32. I have no idea, I moved away soon after graduation
but both of them were here, not there. Marry someone from Greece, go into the family business, that was his future.

I don't know if he ever managed to break free or even if he wanted to.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 06:19 PM
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19. I used to know a Greek girl in HS....
Would only date Greek guys. Too bad too because she was smokin'.

My best friend is an Indian. He dated a Jewish girl all through college. Suddenly he dumped her and proposed to another Indian girl who was the former roommate of his brother's wife. I think he realized that the family would never accept his Jewish girlfriend.
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 11:14 AM
Response to Reply #5
48. Was he afraid
they'd cut his head off or run him down with a car if he didn't marry the Greek woman?
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 11:17 AM
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49. He was afraid of losing his family
and their love and support.

Immigrant families are generally pretty tight. It would be a big loss.
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 11:35 AM
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51. That I understand and respect
Not going along because you're afraid your family will kill you is an entirely different matter.
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 09:23 PM
Response to Reply #49
59. "Immigrant families are generally pretty tight."
If they are kicking people out of their family for interracial marriage, the family is not tight, it is domineering.
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SpartanDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 05:19 PM
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6. When they find him deport his ass
since living the 21st century is too much for him.
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Grassy Knoll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 05:26 PM
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9. Achmed, the dead terrorist .
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nolabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 05:45 PM
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11. I've seen a number of therapy patients in the daughter's situation.
Not of being run down, but of being in extreme conflict with a parent who was raised in a different culture, immigrated, and became extremely upset that the child, who was not raised in that culture, wanted to have relationships and a place in the culture in which he or she was raised, i.e. this one. It's very hard for both sides. Ignoring for a moment the extremes like this father, the parent is genuinely disturbed and disoriented by the loss of things that make up his core identity and wants to hold onto them by keeping the family true to them. But the parent grew up with a set of supports for that identity that the child does not have, so what is being asked of the child is essentially to have no real ability to identify with anyone. It's excruciating. There's no one solution that will make both sides happy unless there's a willingness to give up something and retain something on both sides.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 05:57 PM
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12. Do you think it would help to require people applying to immigrate here
Edited on Wed Oct-21-09 05:58 PM by pnwmom
to become educated in these issues? So they come here knowing not only that they are about to enter an entirely new culture, but that this culture will support their children in making their own decisions and in choosing how they want to live? And that girls and women in this culture will expect to be treated equally, no matter what the cultural background of their parents?
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mac56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 06:00 PM
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13. How are you going to require that?
It's a great ideal, but we can't even require it for our home grown folks.
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SpartanDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 06:08 PM
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18. Make it part of the naturalization process
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 06:24 PM
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20. We require them to take civic tests right now, tests that many of us
couldn't pass unless we studied. Why couldn't we add these kinds of questions to the test?
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 06:26 PM
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21. +20, Actually I saw a documentary that showed african immigrants being taught
Edited on Wed Oct-21-09 07:11 PM by Liberal_in_LA
that wives CAN'T be raped or beaten. The african women in the class were agreeing enthusiastically. the men looked confused. This was a US class for newly arrived immigrants.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 07:05 PM
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26. Wait..
A class in the US was teaching that wives can be beaten and raped?
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 07:11 PM
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28. typo corrected. That was a big typo. thanks for catching it.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 07:26 PM
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29. I was hoping that was what it was.
:)
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Mariana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-23-09 12:50 AM
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61. Aren't those classes voluntary? nt.
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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 07:36 PM
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31. I think it would help. I've often thought the women should be required to
atttend separate clsses to advise them of their rights and provide names of orgs they could call if required.
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 06:48 PM
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22. What insight!
Do you publish? Are your thoughts extrapolated anywhere?



Thanks.
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nolabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 08:00 PM
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34. I appreciate the kind words. I haven't published on this, but there's a field of study
as with many subsets of psychology. I continually study it myself as I try to help my patients and their families. The children of immigrants are very interesting and I have a great deal of compassion for the concurrent desire for a better life and the real sadness and loss of identity that comes from leaving the old one. It's hardly a new thing; that's why "Little Italy" and "Chinatown" and all those ethnocentric neighborhoods exist. It's comforting. But the kids become acculturated naturally and are very divided between the love of parents and the desire to be their own people.

Sorry; my fascination is showing. You can find more and if I do before the thread runs out I'll post some readings.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 08:13 PM
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35. I think that the difference in how boundaries are put together
is the roughest part. And not only in the sense of proxemics but radiating out to just about everything a young person deals with as s/he grows into adulthood, even the approach to adulthood itself. My mom's gen were immigrants and this topic has always interested me, too.
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nolabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 09:30 PM
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39. I agree. What's comfortable enough to not even be on the radar for some
is heinous conduct for another. Corporations who send envoys or employees to countries where one's conduct is deeply invested with meaning and morals are frequently tutored extensively in right-snd-wrong. It is very interesting.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 06:57 PM
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24. Wow, thank you for that explanation, nolabear. That is very enlightening. I had not
thought of it in quite those terms before, but it makes perfect sense, of course.

This is one of the reasons I spend a lot of time on this website. I am constantly learning something new even though I thought I already knew everything. ha ha.

It is a place to broaden and deepen one's awareness.

Kind of like being outside in the beauty of a gentle, mild night with a crescent moon descending close to the horizon with Antares below her and Jupiter off to her south. Luna is affecting my senses tonight. Always such a treat to spend time outside with the evening sky.

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nolabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 09:31 PM
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40. You're welcome. Just passing on what I've learned.
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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 06:05 PM
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15. What this world needs
is a 10th Century country.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 12:27 PM
Response to Reply #15
53. We've Got LOTS of Those
and more people willing to regress the rest of us.
Personally, I'm holding out for the 23rd Century.


BEAM ME UP, SCOTTY!
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rollingrock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 06:07 PM
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17. Thanks to our presence in Iraq
Edited on Wed Oct-21-09 06:12 PM by rollingrock
religious extremism has fluorished over there and the practice of honor killings has since become an epidemic in post-secular Iraq, just like our ally Saudi Arabia! now that's change the Iraqis can believe in.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 07:01 PM
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25. Yes, rollingrock, one of those unexpected blessings we brought with the liberating coalition.
Unintended consequences that should be considered in the thought process BEFORE any nation decides to wage war.

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rollingrock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-23-09 04:42 AM
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63. It would be mighty presumptuous of you to claim it was 'unintended'
unless you are a psychic, who knows what was going on in the minds of these war planners except that when they invaded, the only thing they were concerned about was protecting the oil wells. they could have cared less about anything else, including the people of Iraq or even their own troops. if sowing chaos was their goal, well then I'd have to say mission accomplished!
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freethought Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 07:28 PM
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30. Similar things have happened
Some years ago, I believe in Missouri, a similar case came to light and was profiled by 60 Minutes.

A family had immigrated to the U.S. from some middle-eastern country. The family consisted of
of a Father, wife, a pre-teen, and a little girl. Another child, I believe a girl, came later. The parents and pre-teen daughter lived according to norms back in their home country, however the young girl was sent to American schools and exposed to American culture and by the time she was in her teens she was your all-round American teenager. From what I remember, a gifted one at that, a straight "A" student with aspirations of becoming an M.D.

The parents were not thrilled with the way this daughter was turning out.

At some point in time, the teenager landed a job at a fast-food restaurant where she sometimes worked late. Most American parents would be totally thrilled with a child out earning their own money but that is NOT the way her parents saw it.

One night after working late the girl came home from work and was confronted by both parents. Accusations of prostitution, whoring, and the like were hurled at her. She denied everything.
The father then grabbed a knife and stabbed the girl to death.

The case was known in such detail for a particular reason. The FBI was keeping tabs on the father and had the whole home bugged. The whole incident was recorded on tape. The tragedy was that no agents were manning the recording machine at the time of the crime. Maybe they could have saved her.

If I remember correctly the father went to death row and the mother went to jail for life. The remaining daughter was given custody of the one infant.

I tend to remember that the parents found out the girl had been associating with a boy. Exactly what this relationship was was not clear. Some who knew both girl and the boy said they only friends and it was perfectly innocent.

One of the worst examples of culture clash I have ever heard off.
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Rozlee Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 08:35 PM
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37. I remember that one
What about the rash of killings of children by their mothers, six mothers in Texas alone, who all seemed to think that God wanted them to do it, or they were protecting their children from Satan. I swear, I'm never drinking the water here in Texas again. Or maybe I'm OK since I mostly use my Bible to swat flies with (Whut? At least I use it more often than most so-called Christians).
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 12:30 PM
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54. I Knew a Palestinian Who Was Planning to Sell Out and Go Back "for his daughter's sake"
Daughter was all of 4 at the time. Get them young, or lose the mind lock!

He went too, although Palestine is a complete fuckup. I guess if you made some money in Uncle Sugar Land, you can buy yourself a life in an occupied war zone.
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AsahinaKimi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 08:15 PM
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36. This is a very sad thing...
I guess now her father will become fairly educated in the American, Arizona law system. I see no reason why people can't live with some of their traditions, and still maintain a happy life, under the umbrella of freedom, but some things should be left back in the old country.. and this is a good example.

Those who move here, probably should educate themselves in what life and culture is like here. Learning to adopt is a precursor of immigration.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 09:41 PM
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41. Glendale man sought in hit-run of daughter; motive unknown

by Christina O'Haver - Oct. 21, 2009 12:15 PM
The Arizona Republic

... Faleh Hassan Almaleki, 48, is suspected of running down his daughter and a friend in a grey or silver 2000 Jeep Grand Cherokee with Arizona license plate ADS-9192, Tellef said.

Family and friends of the victims told detectives that the suspect had made threats toward his daughter because she was not living according to traditional Iraqi values, Tellef said. However, police cannot immediately determine whether that was the motive in the incident ...

http://www.azcentral.com/community/surprise/articles/20...
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 09:47 PM
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42. What a pig.
I hope he's introduced to another American tradition, the death penalty. Oh, he doesn't want to be westernized? Fine, do it Muslim-style and beat his ass to death with rocks.
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mikelgb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 08:09 AM
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45. I imagine he said something similar in his head when he ran her down.
What a pig.

I will introduce her to 'the west.' Oh, she doesn't like our values" Fine, I will do it FSM-style and run her over.
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Flagg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 06:55 AM
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43. If they love radical Islam so much why do they keep emigrating to the West ?
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Tim01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 11:18 AM
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50. We need to be tolerant of his religious beliefs. nt
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 09:13 PM
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58. I'll be tolerant of his beliefs when he's behind bars.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 11:38 AM
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52. Ran her down, in ARIZONA, with a CAR, because she is too WESTERNIZED?
Edited on Thu Oct-22-09 11:45 AM by slackmaster
:rofl: at the ironly and :mad: at the criminal.

Faleh Hassan Almaleki was angry with his daughter "as she had become too 'Westernized' and was not living according to traditional Iraq values...

Since when do motorized transportation or living in the USA have anything to do with "traditional Iraq values"? :crazy:

Arizona has been a state longer than Iraq has been a country!
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 03:41 PM
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56. Cars have been around longer than both Arizona and Iraq.
Just sayin'.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 11:12 PM
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60. Fuck this barbaric BS!
:grr:
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-23-09 01:17 AM
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62. Well, why in the fuck was he living in the west?
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Dorian Gray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-23-09 05:24 AM
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64. What a hateful
SOB. Who the hell would try to run down their own daughter????

If those are representative of the values he wants his daughter to have......... :eyes:

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