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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Mon Oct-19-09 05:24 PM
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(Sen.) Burris: No complaints, but not going to vote for a health care bill without a public option
Source: Chicago Trib/AP

WASHINGTON (AP) — For Democrats determined to get a health care bill, Sen. Roland Burris is like the house guest who couldn't be refused, won't soon be leaving and poses a plausible threat of ruining holiday dinner.

Suddenly, he can no longer be ignored.

The Illinois Democrat, appointed by disgraced former Gov. Rod Blagojevich, says he'll only vote for a bill to provide health care to millions more Americans as long as it allows the government to sell insurance in competition with private insurers.

And he says he won't compromise.

"I would not support a bill that does not have a public option," Burris, 72, said in a recent interview with The Associated Press. "That position will not change."

Those words caught the attention of the very Democratic leaders who tried to keep Burris out of the Senate, suggested he resign and have shunned him in unprecedented fashion. Burris is not the only Democrat to insist on creation of a government-run health plan. But he is the one who has the least to lose by defying President Barack Obama and the Democrats who once turned him out in the cold rain.


Read more: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/sns-ap-us-h...
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   But will he FILLIBUSTER a bill without it? Nothing else matters  Alhena   Oct-19-09 05:26 PM   #1 
   I hope so.  pundaint   Oct-20-09 05:23 PM   #47 
   In your face Lieberman lovers  Winterblues   Oct-19-09 05:27 PM   #2 
   Joementum Limpman = The TURD in the Punchbowl  saigon68   Oct-19-09 08:30 PM   #22 
      Yes, but, sadly, far from the only one. That is one crowded punchbowl these days.  No Elephants   Oct-20-09 10:29 AM   #42 
   Thank you Senator Burris! eom  SPedigrees   Oct-19-09 05:27 PM   #3 
   Good for him.  saracat   Oct-19-09 05:29 PM   #4 
   Every Senator must say the same - hold them ALL accountable  sandnsea   Oct-19-09 05:37 PM   #5 
   Best Reason For Public Option - Threats by INscos  ShockediSay   Oct-20-09 01:47 AM   #34 
   Many in the federal government pay no attention to you unless you are from their state or district.  No Elephants   Oct-20-09 10:16 AM   #39 
   Who would have thought that *he* would be the one to stand on principle?  Bette Noir   Oct-19-09 05:38 PM   #6 
   He's not standing for anything if he doesn't fillibuster  Alhena   Oct-19-09 05:42 PM   #9 
      I don't believe that many Democrats will deprive Obama of the ability to sign SOMEthing  No Elephants   Oct-20-09 10:28 AM   #41 
   He is free to do it now  OKNancy   Oct-19-09 05:41 PM   #7 
   I'm loving it!!!!  DeSwiss   Oct-19-09 05:41 PM   #8 
   I wish more Dem Senators would do the same.  Geek_Girl   Oct-19-09 06:35 PM   #10 
   Hello  classysassy   Oct-19-09 06:39 PM   #11 
   uh oh President Snowe is not gonna like this much nt  msongs   Oct-19-09 07:12 PM   #12 
   +1 nt  ooglymoogly   Oct-19-09 07:43 PM   #16 
   + another 1 nt  Jim Sagle   Oct-19-09 08:16 PM   #20 
   There is also the possibility that this is  rosesaylavee   Oct-19-09 07:37 PM   #13 
   Ahhh yes the 10 dimensional chess ploy.  ooglymoogly   Oct-19-09 07:43 PM   #15 
   +1  Iowa   Oct-19-09 09:11 PM   #25 
   Ahhhhh. Aren't you witty.  rosesaylavee   Oct-20-09 08:05 AM   #36 
   Standing firm for the public option may resurrect his political chances.  No Elephants   Oct-20-09 10:01 AM   #38 
      yup. n/t  amandabeech   Oct-20-09 04:35 PM   #46 
      No. Here in Illinois he's done.  rosesaylavee   Oct-20-09 07:46 PM   #48 
   Bravo!  David Zephyr   Oct-19-09 07:40 PM   #14 
   Ain't no strings on me Burris.  ooglymoogly   Oct-19-09 07:50 PM   #17 
   This is all exciting but in the end piles of insurance lobbyists will  ooglymoogly   Oct-19-09 08:05 PM   #18 
   you have to be *that* damn pessimistic?  dionysus   Oct-19-09 09:49 PM   #29 
      Just give it a little thought....who knows maybe Burris can  ooglymoogly   Oct-19-09 10:56 PM   #32 
   Thank you, Senator Burris. n/t  Fire1   Oct-19-09 08:13 PM   #19 
   Hallelujah! He jsut rose in my opinion big time.  Ramsey   Oct-19-09 08:23 PM   #21 
   This is my Senator!  Oldtimeralso   Oct-19-09 09:08 PM   #23 
   Ditto Oldtimer! n/t  orbitalman   Oct-19-09 10:45 PM   #31 
   Isn't it ineresting that it's the new kids that are willing to face up to the GOP?  nolabear   Oct-19-09 09:11 PM   #24 
   Blago's Revenge!!  Frank Booth   Oct-19-09 09:44 PM   #26 
   ROFL  Jefferson23   Oct-19-09 09:45 PM   #28 
   Ha Ha  LiberalLovinLug   Oct-20-09 03:40 PM   #45 
   This is too funny, Burris, go out swinging for what is right.  Jefferson23   Oct-19-09 09:45 PM   #27 
   Nice!!! No wonder they didn't want him.  AllyCat   Oct-19-09 10:13 PM   #30 
   Thanks Senator Burris!  earcandle   Oct-19-09 11:01 PM   #33 
   We are going to hear this more and more....  johnaries   Oct-20-09 02:13 AM   #35 
   Thank You Senator Burris!  andlor   Oct-20-09 08:28 AM   #37 
   Let's not forget Jay Rockefeller, who does have something to lose and was the first to  No Elephants   Oct-20-09 10:22 AM   #40 
   Poetic justice. My favorite kind. n/t  lumberjack_jeff   Oct-20-09 11:43 AM   #43 
   Hate to sound cynical...  ThisThreadIsSatire   Oct-20-09 02:26 PM   #44 
 
Alhena Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 05:26 PM
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1. But will he FILLIBUSTER a bill without it? Nothing else matters
Edited on Mon Oct-19-09 05:28 PM by Alhena
they don't need him to be one of the 51 Dem Senators to vote for it. The 60 vote issue only matters if Burris will team up with 39 Republicans or whatever to fillibuster a health care bill with no public option. I have a hard time seeing any Dem Senator doing that- even Sen. Nelson said he wouldn't fillibuster a public option bill.
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pundaint (256 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Oct-20-09 05:23 PM
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47. I hope so.
They've got things so twisted now that any version cobbled together will just further institutionalize the problem for more than another decade while continuing to dampen hiring, as the overhead costs continue to rise. At least a Public Option could morph into a solution in 8 or 10 years.

Time to pitch all the BS, and make at cost Medicare available to all takers, or even better extend it to all Americans and adjusting the tax rates to cover it. It totally solves the reimbursement problem, and opens the way to start addressing the health care problem.

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Winterblues (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 05:27 PM
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2. In your face Lieberman lovers
Most all of the Senators that were so opposed to him are the same ones that supported Lieberman over Lamont even though Lamont won the Democratic Primary...
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saigon68 (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 08:30 PM
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22. Joementum Limpman = The TURD in the Punchbowl
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Oct-20-09 10:29 AM
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42. Yes, but, sadly, far from the only one. That is one crowded punchbowl these days.
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SPedigrees Donating Member (676 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 05:27 PM
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3. Thank you Senator Burris! eom
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 05:29 PM
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4. Good for him.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 05:37 PM
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5. Every Senator must say the same - hold them ALL accountable
That's the only way to get real change. You can't just scream at one person and change the entire government.
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ShockediSay Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Oct-20-09 01:47 AM
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34. Best Reason For Public Option - Threats by INscos
to raise rates

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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Oct-20-09 10:16 AM
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39. Many in the federal government pay no attention to you unless you are from their state or district.
Edited on Tue Oct-20-09 10:19 AM by No Elephants
I have had emails to Congresional Reps in my own state bounce back to me because my address, while in their state, is not in their respective district. Sometimes, I even get back a form email saying "your address indicates you are not in my district."

Sooooooo, I now focus on only the White House, my Senators and my own Rep. Also, I will never donate to any Rep who bounced back my email or sloughed off my concerns because he or she figured I could never do him or her any good.
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Bette Noir (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 05:38 PM
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6. Who would have thought that *he* would be the one to stand on principle?
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Alhena Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 05:42 PM
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9. He's not standing for anything if he doesn't fillibuster
he's just putting on a dog and pony show. Cloture is all that matters on this issue.
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Oct-20-09 10:28 AM
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41. I don't believe that many Democrats will deprive Obama of the ability to sign SOMEthing
and declare victory.

If Obama seems as though he cannot get his own Party to pass what he wants, his chances for re-election will be dealt a severe blow. Parties tend not to do that to incumbent Presidents.
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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 05:41 PM
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7. He is free to do it now
He can do and say what he wants I guess, since it doesn't look like he has a future political career.
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 05:41 PM
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8. I'm loving it!!!!
"For tis the sport to have the enginer Hoist with his owne petar". ~ Shakespeare, Hamlet


- Good on ya Sen. Burris!!!!

K&R

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Geek_Girl (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 06:35 PM
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10. I wish more Dem Senators would do the same.
nt
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classysassy (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 06:39 PM
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11. Hello
remember me?,snub me you smug clowns,stick it to em Roland.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 07:12 PM
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12. uh oh President Snowe is not gonna like this much nt
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 07:43 PM
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16. +1 ntUpdated at 5:34 PM
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 08:16 PM
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20. + another 1 ntUpdated at 1:50 AM
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 07:37 PM
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13. There is also the possibility that this is
part of the overall plan. He may have been asked to dig in so the others will have an excuse to get the public option in. He doesn't have a career to go to when he leaves office as he's retiring ... he's the ideal senator to dig his heels in. And if that is the 'plan', good on him for going along. We need to have that public option and competition for the insurance hosers.
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 07:43 PM
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15. Ahhh yes the 10 dimensional chess ploy. Updated at 5:34 PM
Edited on Mon Oct-19-09 07:55 PM by ooglymoogly
Just wait till you taste that pie in the sky. Banana coconut cream I believe...mouth watering...umm...just thinking about it while we are getting screwed makes it all so much easier.
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Iowa (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 09:11 PM
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25. +1
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Oct-20-09 08:05 AM
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36. Ahhhhh. Aren't you witty.
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Oct-20-09 10:01 AM
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38. Standing firm for the public option may resurrect his political chances.
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Tue Oct-20-09 04:35 PM
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46. yup. n/t
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Oct-20-09 07:46 PM
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48. No. Here in Illinois he's done.
I thought it quite odd that I received an email from him on this. My first of the year and I don't know how he got my email unless he received it from Durbin. He's taken no other stand on anything... been keeping low and under the radar since the Blago thing. He's not running again for almost certain.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 07:40 PM
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14. Bravo!
K&R.
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 07:50 PM
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17. Ain't no strings on me Burris.Updated at 5:34 PM
This is your time to shine; Take it to the mat. Filibuster the damn wealthcare bill if it is a no PO sham, as it appears to be!... the whole nine yards...and you might just get elected again.
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 08:05 PM
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18. This is all exciting but in the end piles of insurance lobbyists willUpdated at 5:34 PM
be clammering at his door with barrels full of lolly ready to dump in his "campaign chest" IF.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 09:49 PM
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29. you have to be *that* damn pessimistic?
:rofl:
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 10:56 PM
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32. Just give it a little thought....who knows maybe Burris canUpdated at 5:34 PM
Edited on Mon Oct-19-09 11:06 PM by ooglymoogly
now prove he is truly an honorable man. We can all hope. However, he will now be courted by the big bucks and it will take a mighty big lot of honor to hold his ground. If he sticks it out, he just might win an election on his own, with ticker tape parades and all. If he does this and is instrumental in getting a strong public option, he will be the man of the hour and campaign donations will flow in like water from folks like us.
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 08:13 PM
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19. Thank you, Senator Burris. n/t
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Ramsey (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 08:23 PM
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21. Hallelujah! He jsut rose in my opinion big time.
Edited on Mon Oct-19-09 08:24 PM by Ramsey
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Oldtimeralso Donating Member (930 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 09:08 PM
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23. This is my Senator!
I can finally say that about him.
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orbitalman (200 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 10:45 PM
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31. Ditto Oldtimer! n/t
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nolabear Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 09:11 PM
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24. Isn't it ineresting that it's the new kids that are willing to face up to the GOP?
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Frank Booth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 09:44 PM
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26. Blago's Revenge!!


Go Burris!
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 09:45 PM
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28. ROFL
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45. Ha Ha
Blago sends the DLC a real progressive!

Just what they didn't need.
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 09:45 PM
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27. This is too funny, Burris, go out swinging for what is right.
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 10:13 PM
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30. Nice!!! No wonder they didn't want him.
Wish they would all show this kind of spine. Amazing what kind of backbone they can have when there is nothing to lose. Public financing of campaigns would go a long way towards ensuring more behavior like this.
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33. Thanks Senator Burris!Updated at 5:37 PM
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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Oct-20-09 02:13 AM
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35. We are going to hear this more and more....
the movement may be slow, but we will see more and more Reps and Senators saying that no bill will pass w/o a PO.

Fuck all that M$M sensationalism and speculation - Obama has never changed his position: If you can show me a better option, I'll go for it. Well, so far, there ain't one.

I'm sick and tired of all the "Obama has sold us down the river" bullshit. He has been consistent. "If you have a better idea, I'll listen". So far, they haven't had a better idea.

In the meantime, he has done the Constitutional thing. Unlike GWB who would just grab power under the unConstitutional theory of a Unitary Executive - Obama is trying to get things accomplished LEGALLY - through Constitutinal Law.

A President can issue an Executive Order. The next President can revoke it. Obama is not trying for temporary change, but lasting change that actually means something.

It is true that Obama could revoke DADT literally with a stroke of a pen. That would be the popular action. But it wouldn't last. If he did it by Executive Action, as soon as another President took office that same right could be revoked just as quickly. BUT, if he can convince Congress to change the Law - well the "stroke of the pen" - will do nothing. The rights of all citizens will be protected, by law. No matter who is President.

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andlor (257 posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Oct-20-09 08:28 AM
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37. Thank You Senator Burris!
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Oct-20-09 10:22 AM
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40. Let's not forget Jay Rockefeller, who does have something to lose and was the first to
Edited on Tue Oct-20-09 10:22 AM by No Elephants
take a stand.

He's my nominee this year for Profile in Courage, along with Senator Ted, of course.
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43. Poetic justice. My favorite kind. n/t
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44. Hate to sound cynical...
but did his price w/insurance lobby just go up?
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