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AP Newsbreak: New medical marijuana policy issued by Obama administration
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WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Obama administration will not seek to arrest medical marijuana users and suppliers as long as they conform to state laws, under new policy guidelines to be sent to federal prosecutors Monday.

Two Justice Department officials described the new policy to The Associated Press, saying prosecutors will be told it is not a good use of their time to arrest people who use or provide medical marijuana in strict compliance with state laws.

The new policy is a significant departure from the Bush administration, which insisted it would continue to enforce federal anti-pot laws regardless of state codes.

Attorney General Eric Holder said in March that he wanted federal law enforcement officials to pursue those who violate both federal and state law, but it has not been clear how that goal would be put into practice.





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   yahoo!  knowbody0   Oct-18-09 11:06 PM   #1 
   speaking of yahoo - LA's top prosecutor vows to target pot shops  tomm2thumbs   Oct-19-09 07:33 AM   #62 
      his legs just got cut out from under him.  ChairmanAgnostic   Oct-19-09 11:16 AM   #92 
      Then he'd better make damn sure they are operating outside state law, or he is open to lawsuits  glitch   Oct-19-09 11:17 AM   #93 
      The words malicious prosecution come to mind.  Wizard777   Oct-20-09 05:06 AM   #165 
   Sweet.  Ruby the Liberal   Oct-18-09 11:07 PM   #2 
   Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire--all have medical marijuana laws.  Flaneur   Oct-19-09 12:59 AM   #19 
      So does California.  Liberty Belle   Oct-19-09 01:32 AM   #30 
      Proposition 215, to be exact  alp227   Oct-19-09 01:46 AM   #33 
      And Michigan. n/t  Occulus   Oct-19-09 03:05 AM   #39 
      And Oregon and Washington  Bluenorthwest   Oct-19-09 07:45 AM   #63 
      Colorado, too! n/t  intheflow   Oct-19-09 01:55 AM   #34 
      WOW! I had no idea.  Ruby the Liberal   Oct-19-09 10:26 AM   #82 
      It must be a coast thing! See post #39 for the state with more coastline than any other. (nt)  ieoeja   Oct-19-09 04:39 PM   #139 
      Michigan piping in here...we just passed one as well! n/t  PassingFair   Oct-19-09 06:10 PM   #146 
   The new 2nd hand smoke lawsuit craze?  WriteDown   Oct-18-09 11:08 PM   #3 
   Cannabis smoke is a bronchial dilator  tridim   Oct-19-09 12:01 PM   #110 
      Its a drug and its 2nd hand....  WriteDown   Oct-19-09 12:16 PM   #114 
      Cannabis *smoke* is not anti-cancer, it's carcinogenic.  boppers   Oct-19-09 07:39 PM   #153 
         The last study I read showed that people who smoke cannabis and tobacco  tridim   Oct-20-09 10:57 AM   #167 
   I hope they tell the DEA  LeighAnn   Oct-18-09 11:09 PM   #4 
   is that right? i thought the statement itself was unprecedented.  inna   Oct-18-09 11:14 PM   #5 
   I remember that. n/t  EFerrari   Oct-19-09 12:16 AM   #17 
   So do I. It was early this year and the narcs apparently hadn't been told who the President is,  Peace Patriot   Oct-19-09 07:14 AM   #59 
   You are correct.  Le Taz Hot   Oct-19-09 06:55 AM   #57 
   The jails in California are so over crowded, it's inhumane. So this is long overdue.  tblue   Oct-18-09 11:14 PM   #6 
   I wonder how many people  Mz Pip   Oct-18-09 11:43 PM   #11 
      half of all drug arrests are marjiuana  Lethe   Oct-19-09 01:12 AM   #23 
      Do you have  Mz Pip   Oct-19-09 01:21 AM   #26 
      44% as of 2006  Lethe   Oct-19-09 01:27 AM   #28 
         That's in the US, total  Mz Pip   Oct-19-09 01:43 AM   #32 
      The more inmates, the more profit for the private prison industry. Bet they hate this change. nt  tblue   Oct-19-09 01:28 AM   #29 
         That's Senator Webb's next big project.. Prison Reform  tridim   Oct-19-09 01:09 PM   #122 
      there is here in alabama!  chadmak09   Oct-19-09 06:36 AM   #53 
      that is so  Third Doctor   Oct-19-09 07:07 PM   #152 
      Hello fellow caucasian of a certain class!  Bluenorthwest   Oct-19-09 07:50 AM   #65 
         I'm not saying  Mz Pip   Oct-19-09 11:00 AM   #89 
            that can be hard to determine.  uncle ray   Oct-19-09 12:02 PM   #111 
   Good news. Now I wonder if I can get a prescription for this cough??  bertman   Oct-18-09 11:16 PM   #7 
   I was just walking on venice beach, and there was guy holding a sign saying the  robinlynne   Oct-18-09 11:23 PM   #10 
   I've found it usually doesn't help my cough  SpartanDem   Oct-19-09 01:09 AM   #22 
      Native Americans used to use mullein as a smoke to cure coughs..  winyanstaz   Oct-19-09 03:12 AM   #41 
      it's worth a try!  Rosa Luxemburg   Oct-19-09 07:25 AM   #61 
      Mullein tea is naturally sweet and a great expectorant  Bluenorthwest   Oct-19-09 07:51 AM   #66 
      cough?  katkat   Oct-19-09 06:00 AM   #49 
      I was trying to make a (COUGH!!) funny. You know, cough, prescription, marijuana.  bertman   Oct-19-09 10:39 AM   #85 
   Sanity. n/t  Mojambo   Oct-18-09 11:19 PM   #8 
   Great. Now somebody needs to tell the Los Angeles DA to lay off his plan  kestrel91316   Oct-18-09 11:23 PM   #9 
   stretch until the paradox is apparent and then choose., assertively.  earcandle   Oct-18-09 11:55 PM   #12 
   Robert Wyatt on Ear CAndle Radio right now: COrnicoPia  earcandle   Oct-18-09 11:57 PM   #13 
   And therein lies the problem: If "legality" depends on the local prosecutor...  Flaneur   Oct-19-09 01:02 AM   #20 
   It's a two-way loophole  Dogmudgeon   Oct-19-09 02:19 AM   #36 
      Actually, it hasn't.  Le Taz Hot   Oct-19-09 07:24 AM   #60 
         Perhaps  Dogmudgeon   Oct-19-09 01:53 PM   #127 
   Another Lamebrain  Can of Whoop-ass   Oct-19-09 09:20 AM   #77 
   Well this thread will provide a reprieve from a day full of Obama bashing  bluestateguy   Oct-18-09 11:59 PM   #14 
   Maybe. OTOH, this looks like a sane, rational, and humane policy move to me. It's a start.  Hekate   Oct-19-09 03:21 AM   #43 
   no Obama bashing  katkat   Oct-19-09 05:56 AM   #48 
   The EPA stopped one mine  druidity33   Oct-19-09 11:35 AM   #97 
   Yes indeed.  existentialist   Oct-19-09 11:40 AM   #99 
   I Was thinking the same thing, thanks Blue !  Grassy Knoll   Oct-19-09 10:08 PM   #161 
   So, the justice department is being directed to focus on just priorities.  sicksicksick_N_tired   Oct-19-09 12:06 AM   #15 
   Great news for those that suffer without this. I wish Florida would wake up!  1776Forever   Oct-19-09 12:09 AM   #16 
   State's Rights Freepers freak out because the 10th amendment only applies to religious stuff.  MidwestTransplant   Oct-19-09 12:57 AM   #18 
   WOOHOO!!!  Odin2005   Oct-19-09 01:06 AM   #21 
   yay  NJGeek   Oct-19-09 01:16 AM   #24 
   it's the least he can do..  dlfuller   Oct-19-09 01:20 AM   #25 
   Great News  SlingBlade   Oct-19-09 01:27 AM   #27 
   I have a medical marijuana permit here in Colorado  Roon   Oct-19-09 01:38 AM   #31 
   Now I need to find a doctor that'll give me MMJ for my disorder..  Hawkeye-X   Oct-19-09 03:36 AM   #44 
      Here ya go.  Le Taz Hot   Oct-19-09 07:46 AM   #64 
   WOW! This is a populist move!  Trillo   Oct-19-09 02:09 AM   #35 
   Hoooooooray . . . !!!!  defendandprotect   Oct-19-09 02:34 AM   #37 
   Great news!  CaliforniaPeggy   Oct-19-09 02:47 AM   #38 
   This is good news indeed...  winyanstaz   Oct-19-09 03:08 AM   #40 
   Undoubtedly a saner position.  Fearless   Oct-19-09 03:18 AM   #42 
   Now that is change we can belive in. Thanks for caring about patients that need med pot Pres Obama!  Union Yes   Oct-19-09 03:37 AM   #45 
   Obama has just won back the support of the left. I told ya he  old mark   Oct-19-09 03:49 AM   #46 
   oh paaaleeez, it will take more than just appeasing a few left  jonnyblitz   Oct-19-09 06:50 AM   #54 
   +1 nt  SammyWinstonJack   Oct-19-09 10:54 AM   #88 
   Heh, poll numbers to rise in short order.  Jester Messiah   Oct-19-09 06:54 AM   #56 
   you really think we're that easy? Lol....  fascisthunter   Oct-19-09 01:18 PM   #124 
   this is also a slap to the pharma/insurance lobby  RainDog   Oct-19-09 04:53 AM   #47 
   good. slowly dismantle the stupid drug wars  Mari333   Oct-19-09 06:27 AM   #50 
   Huh  XanaDUer   Oct-19-09 06:28 AM   #51 
   A BIG, HUGE THANK YOU,  Le Taz Hot   Oct-19-09 06:31 AM   #52 
   It's a good start.  Jester Messiah   Oct-19-09 06:53 AM   #55 
   But it is also exactly what candidate Obama said he'd do  Bluenorthwest   Oct-19-09 07:59 AM   #68 
   DAMN, I feel bad...  Hubert Flottz   Oct-19-09 07:08 AM   #58 
   It would be great to see a federal Medical Marijuana law  Wizard777   Oct-19-09 07:56 AM   #67 
   Awesome, great first step. Let's make it like cough syrup or asprin.....  bamacrat   Oct-19-09 08:04 AM   #69 
   : )  Soylent Brice   Oct-19-09 08:11 AM   #70 
   You know, I am not a big Obama fan, but it's things like this that will keep  IsItJustMe   Oct-19-09 08:15 AM   #71 
   It's a step in the right direction, but medical MJ is still a crock of shit  MajorChode   Oct-19-09 08:40 AM   #72 
   Perhaps you can illuminate some of the "silly reasons"  Le Taz Hot   Oct-19-09 09:01 AM   #73 
      I'm not going to get into it  MajorChode   Oct-19-09 09:17 AM   #76 
      Well, I don't recall anyone claiming to smoke marijuana  Le Taz Hot   Oct-19-09 09:57 AM   #80 
         Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-19-09 10:31 AM   #84 
         as someone who lives and works in one of the MM centers in the US....  ourbluenation   Oct-19-09 11:17 AM   #95 
      Here in SF, of all the people I know who have gotten --  Hell Hath No Fury   Oct-19-09 11:09 AM   #91 
         I enjoy smoking pot because it's a good way to relieve the normal stresses of life.  tridim   Oct-19-09 12:30 PM   #115 
            My friends like to get high, plain and simple.  Hell Hath No Fury   Oct-19-09 01:49 PM   #126 
   next step..  polemic_realism   Oct-19-09 09:02 AM   #74 
   'Bout damn time!  kag   Oct-19-09 09:09 AM   #75 
   Hallelujah!!!  euphoria12leo   Oct-19-09 09:31 AM   #78 
   Ah, one step closer to marijuana legalization. n/t  vaberella   Oct-19-09 09:38 AM   #79 
   Bush policy? Wasn't that Clinton's policy too?  redqueen   Oct-19-09 10:08 AM   #81 
   Yes, you're right. Drug czar McCaffrey tried to silence the doctors.  Flaneur   Oct-19-09 03:30 PM   #133 
   Sanity takes a minor step forward.  existentialist   Oct-19-09 10:30 AM   #83 
   So how medical Marijuana will help recover from addictions? n/t  AlphaCentauri   Oct-19-09 10:43 AM   #86 
   I'm not as think as you high I am  Ezlivin   Oct-19-09 11:02 AM   #90 
   A Little Education Goes A Long Way!  BakedAtAMileHigh   Oct-19-09 11:19 AM   #96 
      Will marijuana create dependency or addiction?  AlphaCentauri   Oct-19-09 11:37 AM   #98 
         here ya go!  BakedAtAMileHigh   Oct-19-09 12:05 PM   #113 
   This seems to be one of those magic rabbits that can be pulled  ooglymoogly   Oct-19-09 10:52 AM   #87 
   Decency may prevail at last  samsingh   Oct-19-09 11:17 AM   #94 
   Anyone need a caregiver in Colorado?  tridim   Oct-19-09 11:43 AM   #100 
   Medical Marijuana states:  existentialist   Oct-19-09 11:52 AM   #101 
   DC voters approved it in 1998 (I think), but Congress blocked it.  Flaneur   Oct-19-09 12:37 PM   #117 
   DC voters approved it in 1998 (I think), but Congress blocked it.  Flaneur   Oct-19-09 12:37 PM   #118 
   Feds to issue new medical marijuana policy  druidity33   Oct-19-09 11:54 AM   #102 
   A very good sign of change.  glitch   Oct-19-09 11:54 AM   #103 
   i hope you're right.  druidity33   Oct-19-09 11:54 AM   #106 
      I hope so too. Wait and see if the actions match the words. nt  glitch   Oct-19-09 11:54 AM   #107 
   excellent news to start the week!  mike_c   Oct-19-09 11:54 AM   #104 
   The DEA needs to lay off doctors, period  Warpy   Oct-19-09 11:54 AM   #105 
      Check out the Pain Relief Network--they do good work in this area.  Flaneur   Oct-19-09 03:33 PM   #134 
   Good decision  mvdDU Moderator   Oct-19-09 11:55 AM   #108 
   The guy's obviously a communist Muslim foreigner.  kegler14   Oct-19-09 11:55 AM   #109 
   OK, now why not take the same approach to "don't ask/don't tell"?  Silent3   Oct-19-09 12:04 PM   #112 
   It's long overdue. The so-called "war on drugs" should end! n/t  BennyD   Oct-19-09 12:34 PM   #116 
   Thanks to President Obama. We The People are finally winning that war on drug with our Government.  Wizard777   Oct-20-09 05:23 AM   #166 
   look at all the potheads in this thread  CatWomanDU Moderator   Oct-19-09 12:57 PM   #119 
   lol  fascisthunter   Oct-19-09 01:15 PM   #123 
   What's your definition of "pothead"?  tridim   Oct-19-09 01:39 PM   #125 
   hey, I ain't hatin  CatWomanDU Moderator   Oct-19-09 06:05 PM   #145 
      Gotcha, I figured as much while I was responding.  tridim   Oct-19-09 06:36 PM   #147 
         my baby brother yelled at me the other day  CatWomanDU Moderator   Oct-19-09 08:11 PM   #156 
   ?  krabigirl   Oct-19-09 06:48 PM   #150 
   .  CatWomanDU Moderator   Oct-19-09 08:10 PM   #155 
   takes one to know one  shanti   Oct-19-09 08:13 PM   #157 
      ROFL!!  CatWomanDU Moderator   Oct-19-09 08:34 PM   #158 
   Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-19-09 01:01 PM   #120 
   edit for misunderstanding.. clarfied below. nt  Truth2Tell   Oct-19-09 04:59 PM   #142 
      I'm not sure what you're talking about.  Fly by night   Oct-19-09 05:27 PM   #144 
   It's Going To Happen, Legalize it, Tax it, Party On!  colsohlibgal   Oct-19-09 01:06 PM   #121 
   Kicked and recommended for logic, common sense, compassion, freedom and justice.  Uncle Joe   Oct-19-09 01:58 PM   #128 
   Thank you Mr.President!  Taverner   Oct-19-09 02:27 PM   #129 
   Suddenly I'm feeling sick.  Gregorian   Oct-19-09 02:27 PM   #130 
   If I get cancer (again) I want marijuana to help if I have to have chemo  demigoddess   Oct-19-09 03:21 PM   #131 
   K&R!  coconut22   Oct-19-09 03:25 PM   #132 
   Marijuana isn't a drug, it's a plant.  FarLeftFist   Oct-19-09 04:05 PM   #135 
   Light it !  voteearlyvoteoften   Oct-19-09 04:05 PM   #136 
   If the president intended to a bone to those of us he lumps into one  JDPriestly   Oct-19-09 04:21 PM   #137 
   Umm...I don't smoke marijuana. But I would think we can all agree that those who are prescribed  SemiCharmedQuark   Oct-19-09 04:54 PM   #141 
   President Obama doesn't "throw bones" .  Cha   Oct-19-09 05:16 PM   #143 
   He's doing this because it makes sense. Nothing more, nothing less.  tridim   Oct-19-09 06:38 PM   #148 
   Smoke 'em if you got 'em!!  Aramchek   Oct-19-09 04:31 PM   #138 
   Noooo! We're dooomed!  Zorra   Oct-19-09 04:50 PM   #140 
   I wish North Carolina allowed Mediacal Marijuana  Bullet1987   Oct-19-09 06:43 PM   #149 
   Here in Nebraska, posession of less than an oz, is a misdemeanor...  rasputin1952DU Moderator   Oct-19-09 06:58 PM   #151 
   Roll another one, just like the other one....  Harry Monroe   Oct-19-09 08:08 PM   #154 
   Hopefully this is a first step toward ending these stupid drug laws  SpartanDem   Oct-19-09 08:46 PM   #159 
   OK, now how do I grow some dope for the patients?  wordpix   Oct-19-09 09:43 PM   #160 
   FUCK YOU RON PAUL  NJGeek   Oct-19-09 10:35 PM   #162 
   +1  Cha   Oct-19-09 10:52 PM   #163 
   Ron Paul has a decriminalization bill in the House  Flaneur   Oct-20-09 12:08 PM   #168 
   Ooh, I feel a spell of glaucoma coming on . . .  BrainGlutton   Oct-19-09 11:07 PM   #164 
 
knowbody0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-18-09 11:06 PM
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1. yahoo!
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tomm2thumbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 07:33 AM
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62. speaking of yahoo - LA's top prosecutor vows to target pot shops
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 11:16 AM
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92. his legs just got cut out from under him.
but they should aim just a bit higher, and to the front and center.
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glitch (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 11:17 AM
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93. Then he'd better make damn sure they are operating outside state law, or he is open to lawsuits
and it doesn't sound like the feds will back him up. He'll be out there alone, like that nut in AZ.
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Oct-20-09 05:06 AM
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165. The words malicious prosecution come to mind.
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Ruby the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-18-09 11:07 PM
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2. Sweet.
No Medical MJ laws here in the Northeast, but I applaud the precedent being set.
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Flaneur (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 12:59 AM
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19. Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire--all have medical marijuana laws.
It's in the legislature in New York and New Jersey, and a legislative effort is in its first year in Pennsylvania. Maryland has an affirmative defense law. DC voters approved it a decade ago, but Congress blocked it; that could change soon.
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Liberty Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 01:32 AM
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30. So does California.
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alp227 (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 01:46 AM
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33. Proposition 215, to be exact
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 03:05 AM
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39. And Michigan. n/t
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 07:45 AM
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63. And Oregon and Washington
that would be the entire West Coast.
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 01:55 AM
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34. Colorado, too! n/t
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Ruby the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 10:26 AM
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82. WOW! I had no idea.
You only ever hear of California on the snewz when the topic is raised. I wasn't aware we had all that going on over here on the other coast.
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 04:39 PM
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139. It must be a coast thing! See post #39 for the state with more coastline than any other. (nt)
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 06:10 PM
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146. Michigan piping in here...we just passed one as well! n/t
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WriteDown (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-18-09 11:08 PM
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3. The new 2nd hand smoke lawsuit craze?
:evilgrin:
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 12:01 PM
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110. Cannabis smoke is a bronchial dilator
And may even be anti-cancer as some studies have shown.

Breathe it in and enjoy the benefits!
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WriteDown (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 12:16 PM
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114. Its a drug and its 2nd hand....
There will be TONS of lawsuits and given precedence they will probably make quite a few people into millionaires.
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boppers (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 07:39 PM
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153. Cannabis *smoke* is not anti-cancer, it's carcinogenic.
Cannabinoids isolated in liquid and crystal forms however, are the forms that slow and reverse tumors. "Anti-cancer smoking" is a myth left over from big tobacco, whose dubious "light" and "low tar" claims about inhaling smoke are pretty much in the dustbin of science.

Yes, you can smoke tobacco, or cannabis, all of your life, and never get cancer. That's true.

However, inhaling burning material is carcinogenic, be that car smoke, BBQ smoke, campfire smoke, tobacco smoke, or cannabis smoke.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Oct-20-09 10:57 AM
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167. The last study I read showed that people who smoke cannabis and tobacco
are at less risk of developing mouth, throat and lung cancers than tobacco only smokers. Pretty shocking result IMO.

Looking for a link.
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LeighAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-18-09 11:09 PM
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4. I hope they tell the DEA
Last time I heard news like this it was followed up by raids of medical marijuana dispensaries, as though it had never been said.
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-18-09 11:14 PM
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5. is that right? i thought the statement itself was unprecedented.

KR for the OP anyway, sounds like good news.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 12:16 AM
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17. I remember that. n/t
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 07:14 AM
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59. So do I. It was early this year and the narcs apparently hadn't been told who the President is,
or didn't care. As I recall, they destroyed a medical marijuana dispensary business in Oakland, CA (I think it was Oakland--trying to recall--Northern Californian anyway) and possibly one other--arrested people who were following state law to the letter, shut them down, confiscated computers and MJ, put them through hell and furthermore harmed a lot of sick people who had prescriptions. Obama or someone in his admin had just said that the Feds would respect state laws! I remember being furious about it and wondering how long the transition was going to be from Bushwhackism to sanity, on this and other matters, and if Obama would ever be able to ferret out all the Bushwhack moles in various agencies whose orders are to disobey the President and sabotage his policies, or lay in wait with various traitorous plots. (I think Honduras may be indicative of how destructive the Bushwhacks can be.)

Those dispensary owners and their patients should be compensated for damages.
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 06:55 AM
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57. You are correct.
They are in the process of closing down ALL dispensaries in my town but it's happening in a lot of places in California. Our illustrious, FUNDA-FUCKIN'-MENTALIST City Council still considers it the demon weed don't 'cha know. They passed an ordinance that said the dispensaries must comply with state AND federal law, knowing full well that the two are in direct opposition to one another. The next thing they did was to threaten the landlords with hefty fines should they continue to rent to dispensaries. The feds need to tell the D.E.A., they need to tell the counties and they need to tell municipalities. But most of all? CONGRESS needs to lift all federal bans against medical marijuana. That would pretty much settle the issue.
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-18-09 11:14 PM
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6. The jails in California are so over crowded, it's inhumane. So this is long overdue.
How dumb to lock up people using pot legally, according to state law.
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Sun Oct-18-09 11:43 PM
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11. I wonder how many people
really are in jail because of personal pot use. Around here people light up on the street and no one gives a shit.

If there really are people who are sitting in jail because they got busted for pot then they need to be released. I just haven't heard that there was a huge push to prosecute pot uses for years and years.

That's not to say it hasn't happened but I kind of doubt our jails are filled with pot heads.
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Lethe (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 01:12 AM
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23. half of all drug arrests are marjiuana
and most are simple possession
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Mon Oct-19-09 01:21 AM
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26. Do you have
a link on that? CA has a lot of problems but spending half of its arrents on simple marijuana posession seems a bit much.
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Lethe (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 01:27 AM
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28. 44% as of 2006
http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7370

a marijuana smoker is arrested every 30 seconds in the USA
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Mon Oct-19-09 01:43 AM
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32. That's in the US, total
I looked at CA and of the 1,543,797 arrests in CA in 2006, 301,404 were drug offenses but it did not break down what kind of drugs. We've got crack, meth and heroin lumped in with these figures.

These are arrests and not convictions, and not a percentage of prison population who are marijuana smoking related offenders.
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 01:28 AM
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29. The more inmates, the more profit for the private prison industry. Bet they hate this change. nt
Edited on Mon Oct-19-09 01:29 AM by tblue
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 01:09 PM
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122. That's Senator Webb's next big project.. Prison Reform
Webb Sets His Sights On Prison Reform
Senator Proposes National Panel
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...
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chadmak09 (91 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 06:36 AM
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53. there is here in alabama!
they specifically go after pot users here in alabama.

they set up sting operations to catch them trying to buy it. then arrest them.

then the redneck cops go home and smoke the dope they confiscated.
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Third Doctor (201 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 07:07 PM
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152. that is so
true. This is the state that get's all hot and bothered about bingo and sex toys also.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 07:50 AM
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65. Hello fellow caucasian of a certain class!
Only our kind could possibly think that people do not get arrested for pot. In CA, our kind really don't. In NY, same thing.
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Mon Oct-19-09 11:00 AM
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89. I'm not saying
no one of any color or class is never arrested for pot. What I am interested in is the percentage of people actually convicted and serving time for simple possession in CA. There seems to be some thought that if the potheads were released from prison in CA it would do a lot to aleviate the overcrowded conditions. I question that premise.

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uncle ray Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 12:02 PM
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111. that can be hard to determine.
a lot of the people in jail for pot crimes are not there just because of pot. how it usually happens is the offender gets busted for some other minor crime, and they are put under probation, which means drug tests. you piss dirty and they send you to jail for a probation violation. you can be a model citizen on probation, but take a toke on the wrong day and off to jail you go. i've seen this happen to way too many of my friends and acquaintances.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Sun Oct-18-09 11:16 PM
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7. Good news. Now I wonder if I can get a prescription for this cough??
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-18-09 11:23 PM
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10. I was just walking on venice beach, and there was guy holding a sign saying the
doctor was in. I just burst out laughing.
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SpartanDem Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 01:09 AM
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22. I've found it usually doesn't help my cough
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winyanstaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 03:12 AM
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41. Native Americans used to use mullein as a smoke to cure coughs..
also would make it into a tea with coltsfoot and blackberry leaves for lung problems and coughs, colds etc... I think it tastes great with honey.
I dont think pot would cure coughs but I am not a dr.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Mon Oct-19-09 07:25 AM
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61. it's worth a try!
cough cough!
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 07:51 AM
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66. Mullein tea is naturally sweet and a great expectorant
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katkat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 06:00 AM
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49. cough?
What is the cough from?
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Mon Oct-19-09 10:39 AM
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85. I was trying to make a (COUGH!!) funny. You know, cough, prescription, marijuana.
:hi:
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-18-09 11:19 PM
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8. Sanity. n/t
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-18-09 11:23 PM
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9. Great. Now somebody needs to tell the Los Angeles DA to lay off his plan
to do a MAJOR crackdown on pot dispensaries (he says they are ALL illegal).

Seems they are ok with us having the legal right to own and use the stuff, just not the right to ACQUIRE it.
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earcandle Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-18-09 11:55 PM
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12. stretch until the paradox is apparent and then choose., assertively. Updated at 3:19 AM
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earcandle Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-18-09 11:57 PM
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13. Robert Wyatt on Ear CAndle Radio right now: COrnicoPiaUpdated at 3:19 AM
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Flaneur (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 01:02 AM
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20. And therein lies the problem: If "legality" depends on the local prosecutor...
...or a recalcitrant county sheriff--Kern County, anyone?--then that leaves a loophole for federal involvement. That's what's been happening in some California counties, anyway.
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Dogmudgeon (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 02:19 AM
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36. It's a two-way loopholeUpdated at 2:51 AM
Most of these DAs are going to have a tough time keeping such hardened criminals in prison. There will probably be a tidal wave of appeals to federal court -- which will immediately dismiss all simple possession busts.

The back of pot prohibition has just been broken. From here onward, it's all just a mop-up operation.

--d!
And I don't even smoke it.
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 07:24 AM
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60. Actually, it hasn't.
("The back of pot prohibition has just been broken.") As long as it is federally illegal there will continue to be busts. I'm hoping at some point our "Democratic" Congress will dig deep and locate some semblance of a spine to reverse prohibitive pot laws. Medical marijuana would be a good place to start.
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Dogmudgeon (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 01:53 PM
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127. PerhapsUpdated at 2:51 AM
But if you were a defense lawyer, what would you be doing?

I'd be telling my clients not to get their hopes up, then building the strongest case possible that selective non-enforcement is unconstitutional under the Equal Protection clause, for use with a large foregoing list of particulars to be argued. No judge in his or her right mind wants to spend hundreds, or thousands, of hours listening to pot arguments, with the certainty that conviction will lead to immediate dismissal in a higher court.

"Case dismissed! Now get out of my courtroom!"

Of course, using the EPC is no guarantee, either, but it will put an enormous burden on prosecutors. That is how (at least one of the "how"s) drug "prohib" will start to die. And not just marijuana -- this will fan out to liberalize policy for all recreational drugs that do not carry extreme danger for the user (e.g., opiates, barbiturates). I think it will break down in a series of abrupt, court-mandated shocks to the prosecutorial system. Congress will only act after there is a body of case law that makes prohib unwise to continue.

In 2001, I thought that Gay Rights would require about 20 more years to get to the point of demanding marriage equality. All it took was a few months under Obama to emerge as a burning issue, one that is now causing Obama a major tactical problem. The changeover from Jim Crow to Martin Luther King was greater still. I am not 100% certain that I am right about this, but I do have confidence that the thaw has begun.

--d!
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Can of Whoop-ass (28 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 09:20 AM
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77. Another Lamebrain
Edited on Mon Oct-19-09 09:22 AM by Can of Whoop-ass
In Tehama County (Red Bluff) the repug Sheriff has a 'secret' war on against pot and uses scare-tactics on tv like, "Do you want a pot shop next to your schools"?

High School kids, "WELL HELL YEAH! Does the Pope sh*t in the woods?"
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-18-09 11:59 PM
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14. Well this thread will provide a reprieve from a day full of Obama bashing
Oh yeah, and good news on the policy change too.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 03:21 AM
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43. Maybe. OTOH, this looks like a sane, rational, and humane policy move to me. It's a start.
Day after tomorrow it will be largely forgotten here, though. :eyes: Nonetheless, KnR, with pleasure.

Hekate

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katkat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 05:56 AM
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48. no Obama bashing
Yes, he's definitely not George Bush. This following on saving the mountaintops.

I was bashing him to a Hillary supporter whom I had -really- disagreed with during the primary campaign the other day, and she said to give him more time, which just about made me fall over. On reflection, I think we forget how difficult is to deal with a 99% corrupt Congress. Not to say Rahm, etc. isn't a real loser, but Obama is not as totally a disappointment as I usually think.
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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 11:35 AM
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97. The EPA stopped one mine
A particularly NASTY one, at that. They haven't eliminated Mountaintop Removal mining from the list of acceptable practices. And i'm not sure Obama had anything to do with it. There has long been public opposition to this mine and i think the Publicity and the facts of the devastation were too hard to hide. There will be more Mountaintop Removals and subsequent devastations. Perhaps not as egregious as this one, but...


:shrug:

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existentialist (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 11:40 AM
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99. Yes indeed.
And although I am pleased by this announcement, I believe that the ruling regarding the mountaintop removal is the more significant of the two.

Obama being President does not solve all problems--far from it. But anyone who thinks it isn't an improvement isn't paying attention.
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Grassy Knoll Donating Member (813 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 10:08 PM
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161. I Was thinking the same thing, thanks Blue !
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 12:06 AM
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15. So, the justice department is being directed to focus on just priorities.
That is certainly good news!

Maybe, the prison population will seriously decrease as white collars criminals replace the petty violators.

That, in and of itself, would be an amazing report of American democracy!!!
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Mon Oct-19-09 12:09 AM
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16. Great news for those that suffer without this. I wish Florida would wake up!
For that matter the whole US should try and help those who have chronic pain if this helps them out! It is a drug after all.
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MidwestTransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 12:57 AM
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18. State's Rights Freepers freak out because the 10th amendment only applies to religious stuff.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 01:06 AM
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21. WOOHOO!!!
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NJGeek (644 posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 01:16 AM
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24. yay
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dlfuller (62 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 01:20 AM
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25. it's the least he can do..
i guess better than nothing
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SlingBlade Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 01:27 AM
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27. Great News
:toast: :kick:
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Roon Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 01:38 AM
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31. I have a medical marijuana permit here in Colorado
and I am very pleased to read this article.
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Mon Oct-19-09 03:36 AM
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44. Now I need to find a doctor that'll give me MMJ for my disorder..
I find it that MJ does help me keep me sane...

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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 07:46 AM
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64. Here ya go.
http://legalmarijuanadispensary.com /

A list of doctors and dispensaries.
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Trillo (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 02:09 AM
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35. WOW! This is a populist move!
:smoke:

Way to go Mr. President!
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 02:34 AM
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37. Hoooooooray . . . !!!!
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Mon Oct-19-09 02:47 AM
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38. Great news!Updated at 11:48 PM
It's about time!

:woohoo:
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winyanstaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 03:08 AM
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40. This is good news indeed...
A lot of suffering will be eased.
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 03:18 AM
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42. Undoubtedly a saner position.
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Union Yes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 03:37 AM
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45. Now that is change we can belive in. Thanks for caring about patients that need med pot Pres Obama!
:patriot:
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Mon Oct-19-09 03:49 AM
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46. Obama has just won back the support of the left. I told ya he
was a good guy and I don't use it either.


Pissed of the GOPers, too. Makes for a nice day all around.
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 06:50 AM
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54. oh paaaleeez, it will take more than just appeasing a few left
Edited on Mon Oct-19-09 06:50 AM by jonnyblitz
wing potheads (and i am one of those). there is his escalating war and his phony health care reform we still give a shit about.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 10:54 AM
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88. +1 nt
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Jester Messiah Donating Member (656 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 06:54 AM
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56. Heh, poll numbers to rise in short order.
Well, maybe. Won't hurt him, that's for sure!
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Mon Oct-19-09 01:18 PM
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124. you really think we're that easy? Lol....
smoke another one...
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 04:53 AM
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47. this is also a slap to the pharma/insurance lobby
in other words, if they want to play hardball, let them compete against cannabis for migraines, MS, chemo relief, etc.

there are LOTS of good things that happen with this bill.

I'm glad to see Obama respond to the big question he got from internet respondents. libertarians will like this too.

did it cost 50 million in abstinence money to the rr?
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 06:27 AM
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50. good. slowly dismantle the stupid drug wars
good.
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XanaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 06:28 AM
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51. Huh
<The new policy is a significant departure from the Bush administration, which insisted it would continue to enforce federal anti-pot laws regardless of state codes.>

Repubs love states' rights until they can find a federal law to prosecute on somthing they don't like, morally.
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 06:31 AM
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52. A BIG, HUGE THANK YOU,
President Obama. I've been critical in the past and will be in the future but on this day, he done me proud!
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Jester Messiah Donating Member (656 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 06:53 AM
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55. It's a good start.
I wonder how much choice there really is in this though. Mexico just legalized, and Canada has never had strong enforcement. It could be that Obama is just looking to manage an orderly collapse of marijuana prohibition, rather than having the whole edifice crumble at once. This gives the illusion that this is something chosen, rather than an inevitable defeat.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 07:59 AM
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68. But it is also exactly what candidate Obama said he'd do
long months ago, when asked specifically about the issue here in Oregon. The stated reasons are also the reasons he gave then. That is, it is wrong to prosecute for medicine and law enforcement has better things to do as well.
For once they are doing what they said they'd do, if they carry through with this and do not do the opposite next week.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 07:08 AM
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58. DAMN, I feel bad...
But I look good!
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 07:56 AM
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67. It would be great to see a federal Medical Marijuana law
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bamacrat (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 08:04 AM
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69. Awesome, great first step. Let's make it like cough syrup or asprin.....
or like Sudafed, over the counter but you have to be 21. No prescriptions. This is a good sign for the future.
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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 08:11 AM
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70. : )
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IsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 08:15 AM
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71. You know, I am not a big Obama fan, but it's things like this that will keep
me voting for the Democrats.
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MajorChode (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 08:40 AM
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72. It's a step in the right direction, but medical MJ is still a crock of shit
I understand that there are some very notable health benefits from medical MJ, but people get scripts for MJ for some of the silliest reasons. All this means is that those who can afford to go to a doctor that sells scripts to anyone walking through the door gets a free pass while the government is still busting recreational users for no good reason and people in Mexico are getting murdered over drug wars. So we will continue to dance around this issue while the morans of this country continue to perpetuate failed policies that had no basis in sound reason from day 1.
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 09:01 AM
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73. Perhaps you can illuminate some of the "silly reasons"
for which people obtain medical marijuana.
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MajorChode (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 09:17 AM
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76. I'm not going to get into it
Even if I provided an example of something ridiculous like say an ingrown toenail, sure as shit someone will say they have been suffering with them for decades and the only thing that gives their life meaning is their medical MJ script. But suffice it to say there is now a cottage industry of unscrupulous doctors that will literally write you a medical MJ script for anything or at least coach you into what you need to tell them before they can do it. I could really care less if doctors do that, but it's a greater indicator of the problem rather than the solution. It's BS that someone has to pay a doctor to get permission to get something they shouldn't have to ask permission to get in the first place. That's my point.
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 09:57 AM
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80. Well, I don't recall anyone claiming to smoke marijuana
in order to relieve the pain of an ingrown toenail but I do know people who tell me it helps their chemo nausea. And, of course, there are a myriad of other medical maladies for which MM seems to offer relief but, as you say, I won't get into detail because it's easily researchable.

You claim there is a "cottage industry of unscrupulous doctors that will literally write you a medical MJ script for anything . . ." While there certainly are those doctors, I honestly don't believe they are in the majority. Just as doctors that are wiling to administer medication meant ONLY for hospital use into a patient within his own home, they are certainly not representative of those doctors prescribing MM. As for "coaching you into what you need to tell them before they can do it," I've never actually heard of that happening. Sounds sort of like what a few employees at ACORN did. Interesting that you should connect the two.

Your "point" got buried underneath your claim that people used pot for silly reasons.
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ourbluenation (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 11:17 AM
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95. as someone who lives and works in one of the MM centers in the US....
I can tell you with some authority that all kinds of people lie about their so-called ailments, and the mm docs do no consultation whatsoever with your reg family practitioner or no testing whatsoever in regards to those ailments.

It's too bad because it undermines the integrity of the legitimate use of mm. But the truth is that having a 215 card gives one legal cover for having weed.

Besides all of this, the underlying silliness of all this is that weed shouldn't be illegal in the first place while alcohol is. It's ridiculous.
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 11:09 AM
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91. Here in SF, of all the people I know who have gotten --
Edited on Mon Oct-19-09 11:16 AM by Hell Hath No Fury
MM (and it is a LOT of people), only ONE actually got it for medical reasons (HIV+ wasting) and all the others got it because they are potheads and liked getting legal pot. :shrug: Some would even share/sell what they were getting at the dispensary. Several of our local weeklies were full of ads for doctors who would essentially find a medical excuse and write scrips for pot. I believe in MM, but here it is very often just used as a cover. I just wish folks would cut the crap and just say they like smoking pot.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 12:30 PM
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115. I enjoy smoking pot because it's a good way to relieve the normal stresses of life.
Less stress = a healthier body and mind.

IMO everyone experiences stress at some level, and most average people would benefit from MMJ's anti-stress properties. Are your pothead friends freaks of nature or are they just doing what humans have done for thousands of years?
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 01:49 PM
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126. My friends like to get high, plain and simple.
Edited on Mon Oct-19-09 01:50 PM by Hell Hath No Fury
Their main pot use is while socializing. :shrug:

I agree that reducing stress is important -- and you can have a glass of wine, do yoga, engage in meditation, excercise, and even smoke pot -- to reduce the everyday stress in your life.

Just don't pretend it's a "medical" condition.

My best friend has wasting related to his HIV status -- to equate what he experiences with everyday stresses is absurd and insulting to people like him who really DO need MM as part of their healthcare.
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polemic_realism (39 posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 09:02 AM
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74. next step..
get the wheels greased state by state.
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kag (63 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 09:09 AM
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75. 'Bout damn time!
:thumbsup: :applause:
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euphoria12leo Donating Member (487 posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Mon Oct-19-09 09:31 AM
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78. Hallelujah!!!
Good news today. Tomorrow I'll be pissed about something else.



:woohoo:

:fistbump:
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 09:38 AM
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79. Ah, one step closer to marijuana legalization. n/t
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 10:08 AM
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81. Bush policy? Wasn't that Clinton's policy too?
Anyway, good... a small step in the right direction at least.
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Flaneur (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 03:30 PM
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133. Yes, you're right. Drug czar McCaffrey tried to silence the doctors.
Threatened to take away their DEA prescribing licenses if they recommended medical marijuana. He lost in Conant v. McCaffrey (later Conant v. Walters).
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existentialist (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 10:30 AM
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83. Sanity takes a minor step forward.
Good.

But there are issues of greater moment presently at issue.
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 10:43 AM
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86. So how medical Marijuana will help recover from addictions? n/t
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Ezlivin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Mon Oct-19-09 11:02 AM
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90. I'm not as think as you high I am
N/T
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BakedAtAMileHigh (283 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 11:19 AM
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96. A Little Education Goes A Long Way!
Moderate cannabis use has a positive effect on treatment for cocaine dependence in patients with comorbid ADHD and cocaine dependence:
http://bbsnews.net/article.php/20061210235129584

Crack heads and roots daughters: The therapeutic use of cannabis in Jamaica (cocaine)
http://www.cannabis-med.org/studies/...w.php?s_id=260

All of this comes from the amazing list put together by activist Granny Storm Crow, available in link form here:
http://forum.grasscity.com/medical-marijuana/314173-gra...

Not to drive this point home on my very first DU post, but marijuana is the safest medicine known to humanity.
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 11:37 AM
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98. Will marijuana create dependency or addiction?
I have seen indigenous people using it to alleviate arthritis pain rubbering with alcohol but not sure about smoking marijuana medical advantages.
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BakedAtAMileHigh (283 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 12:05 PM
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113. here ya go!
The following is an excerpt from the Merck Manual, the US military's field guide to medicine:

...no physical dependence ; no abstinence syndrome when the drug is discontinued.

Cannabis can be used on an episodic but continuous basis without evidence of social or psychic dysfunction. In many users the term dependence with it's obvious connotations probably is misapplied.

Many of the claims regarding severe biological impact are still uncertain, but some others are not. Despite the acceptance of the 'new' dangers of marijuana, there is still little evidence of biologic damage even among relatively heavy users. This is true even in the areas intensively investigated, such aspulmonary, immunologic, and reproductive function.

Marijuana used in the USA has a higher THC content than in the past. Many critics have incorporated this fact into warnings, but the chief opposition to the drug rests on a moral and political, and not a toxicological, foundation.

(Merck Manual of Diagnosis and Therapy, 15th edition, 1987,Robert Berkow, MD, Editor-In-Chief. Published by Merck Sharp and Dohme Research Laboratories Division of Merck and Co, Inc)
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Mon Oct-19-09 10:52 AM
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87. This seems to be one of those magic rabbits that can be pulled
from the hat whenever support from grass roots needs to be shored up. O admin Talking the talk.
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 11:17 AM
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94. Decency may prevail at last Updated at 6:01 PM
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 11:43 AM
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100. Anyone need a caregiver in Colorado?
;)

Gawd this is fabulous news!
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existentialist (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 11:52 AM
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101. Medical Marijuana states:
Fourteen states allow some use of marijuana for medical purposes: Alaska, California, Colorado, Hawaii, Maine, Maryland, Michigan, Montana, Nevada, New Mexico, Oregon, Rhode Island, Vermont and Washington.



I thought that DC also had something. Anybody know anything about that?

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Flaneur (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 12:37 PM
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117. DC voters approved it in 1998 (I think), but Congress blocked it.
I think DC will soon be joining the medical marijuana states.
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Flaneur (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 12:37 PM
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118. DC voters approved it in 1998 (I think), but Congress blocked it.
I think DC will soon be joining the medical marijuana states.
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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 11:54 AM
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102. Feds to issue new medical marijuana policy
Source: AP via HuffPo

Under the policy spelled out in a three-page legal memo, federal prosecutors are being told it is not a good use of their time to arrest people who use or provide medical marijuana in strict compliance with state law.

The guidelines being issued by the department do, however, make it clear that federal agents will go after people whose marijuana distribution goes beyond what is permitted under state law or use medical marijuana as a cover for other crimes.

The memo advises prosecutors they "should not focus federal resources in your states on individuals whose actions are in clear and unambiguous compliance with existing state laws providing for the medical use of marijuana."

The new policy is a significant departure from the Bush administration, which insisted it would continue to enforce federal anti-pot laws regardless of state codes.


Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20091019/us-me... /



A good sign, i think...
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glitch (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 11:54 AM
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103. A very good sign of change.
This should put the wind up the jackass in LA going after the medical marijuana centers. At least make him realize he is opening himself up to lawsuits.
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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 11:54 AM
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106. i hope you're right.
With an actual MEMO (ie, legal policy), i would hope DEA and Local authorities will be more likely to step down when dealing with Medical Marijuana patients especially. I hope the Anti-Drug/Prison Complex Agenda doesn't somehow subvert or challenge this. The DOJ hasn't really impressed me lately.

:shrug:

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glitch (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 11:54 AM
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107. I hope so too. Wait and see if the actions match the words. nt
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 11:54 AM
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104. excellent news to start the week!
Yay! One more step toward a rational drug policy!
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 11:54 AM
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105. The DEA needs to lay off doctors, period
Back in the 60s, I knew a Dr. Feelgood. Neighborhood junkies would go to him and get half a dozen Dilaudids or something else to tide them over when a dealer got busted and they needed a new connection. It was a compassionate thing to do and it likely reduced a lot of local crime. I knew him because he also kept open office hours and welcomed drop in patients who had real illnesses. He was over retirement age and probably felt if his license got pulled, it was no biggie.

Fast forward to today. The DEA is leaning on all doctors who prescribe narcotics for people who are legitimately in pain, meaning people who are in pain are often staying that way, increasing rates of isolation, depression and suicide. Having failed at stopping the flood of illegal drugs into the country, the DEA is using the full weight of its imperial power against doctors who are trying to treat their patients compassionately.

It's really got to stop. The country can afford the occasional Dr. Feelgood a lot more than it can afford so many people being left in pain and hopelessness.
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Flaneur (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 03:33 PM
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134. Check out the Pain Relief Network--they do good work in this area.
www.painreliefnetwork.org/
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mvd DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 11:55 AM
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108. Good decision
While I'm not a user, we already have way too many in prison for drug crimes. It unnecessarily overwhelms the prisons.
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kegler14 (539 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 11:55 AM
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109. The guy's obviously a communist Muslim foreigner.
Yes, I'm kidding.

Actually, a number of conservatives, especially the more libertarian minded, will agree with this.
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Silent3 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Mon Oct-19-09 12:04 PM
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112. OK, now why not take the same approach to "don't ask/don't tell"?
Until Congress changes the law, why not tell the military the same thing about prosecuting and discharging gays?
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BennyD (207 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 12:34 PM
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116. It's long overdue. The so-called "war on drugs" should end! n/t
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Oct-20-09 05:23 AM
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166. Thanks to President Obama. We The People are finally winning that war on drug with our Government.
The War will be over when we have Full Scale Harm Reduction. That calls for the legalization and regulation of all drugs. We shouldn't wait for it to become a matter of national security. If a terrorist organization forms an alliance with a drug cartel. They could very easily convert drug users to walking biological contamination units. I won't go into details. But they are a weak link in our security chain. We simply cannot leave them exposed and vulnerable.
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CatWoman DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 12:57 PM
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119. look at all the potheads in this thread
:rofl:

:grouphug:
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Mon Oct-19-09 01:15 PM
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