Feds: N.C. terrorism suspects targeted military

[RamboLiberal]

Source: MSNBC/AP

RALEIGH, N.C. - Two North Carolina terrorism suspects plotted to kill U.S. military personnel and one of them obtained maps of a Marine Corps base in Virginia to plan an attack, prosecutors said Thursday.

A superseding indictment returned against Daniel Patrick Boyd and Hysen Sherifi is the first time authorities have said the homegrown terrorism ring had specific targets. Prosecutors said Boyd "undertook reconnaissance" of the base, about 30 miles south of Washington.

"These additional charges hammer home the grim reality that today's homegrown terrorists are not limiting their violent plans to locations overseas, but instead are willing to set their sights on American citizens and American targets, right here at home," U.S. Attorney George Holding said in a statement.

Authorities have previously said the men went on training expeditions in the weeks leading up to their arrest in July, practicing military tactics with armor-piercing bullets on a property in rural North Carolina. Seven men are awaiting trial in the case, and investigators say an eighth suspect is believed to be in Pakistan.



Read more: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33010307/ns/us_news-security/

[Dogtown]

1. They need to investigate some of our home-grown

*white* terrorists. These arrests of Muslims in this country smells of entrapment.

[bertman]

2. Why is it hard for you to believe that there aren't violent muslim extremists right here

in America? There are jihadis murdering innocent people all over the world, yet only America has to "entrap" muslim terrorists. Do you also think that there are no muslims in America who are so outraged at what's happening to their fellow muslims in the Middle East that they might take action against the infidels?

Aside from that, I agree with you that our home-grown white terrorists and their sponsors should be investigated. And I suspect they are.

[Dogtown]

10. I believe there are *some* angry Muslim US citizens.

I believe there are many *more* angry Christian crazies intent on disrupting our republic and forcing their will on the country through violent means. They have ACTUALLY staged attacks against us, but are always portrayed as "lone gunmen" by the media and DHS officials, even when their ties to known terrorist organizations become apparent.

They threaten our elected President, they kill doctors and security guards, they picket the funerals of our soldiers, yet they are always portrayed as independent, isolated crazies instead of the connected, violent zealots they actually are.

If, as you suggest, they are being investigated, then why do we only see indictments against folks like the "Homeless Jihad" guys in Miami, busted for buying spurious munitions (supplied by their FBI handler)? Do you really believe that there are no stockpiles of *actual* weapons held by Christian militants?

Instead, the publicity-seeking FBI is arresting "Muslim" idiots *they've* supplied with faux-explosives. They tout an Islamic Militant that purchased nail-polish remover to make acetone peroxide. Jesus Fucking Christ, the catalyst for Acetone Peroxide is "Acetone", available by the gallon from any hardware store. Nail-polish remover is a poor and weak substitute used by High School chemistry students because bulk acetone purchases by minors are suspicious. They make a couple of grams at a time to blow up frogs with. No serious, AQ-trained terrorist would bother with that nonsense.

I find it highly suspicious that there are so many very shaky charges being suddenly placed against Muslim citizens, and yet not a whisper of concern about the ubiquitous Christian/Patriot/Supremacist organizations that are the most immediate threat. So few angry Muslims, and so very many hateful Christians, yet only fear-mongering headlines about scary MUSLIMS!

:scared: :patriot: :scared:

[bertman]

11. I agree 100% with what you just said, Dogtown. But I disagree with the entrapment

statement in your first post. That's all I'm pointing out.

My feeling is that the FBI, CIA, Homeland Security, Republican and Democratic leadership, many police organizations, as well as the for-hire mercenary groups like Xe, are all inter-linked as part of the corporate strategy for putting down any whiff of a revolt by Americans.

The arrests that are made of these home-grown right-wing terrorists are of the "loose cannons" who think they can go it on their own.

Okay, now I have once again catapulted my name to the top of the "Watch List."

[Dogtown]

12. I see your point

Allow me to enlarge on my position. I agree that the police/surveillance agencies are all cahooting to stifle dissent, but it's my feeling that a blind eye is being turned, at least publicly, to RW extremists, while evidence is being fabricated or cases are being artificially "stimulated" in order to keep public attention focused on the Muslim (that is to say the "others") threat. I do not believe that there has been any credible threat by US citizen Muslims to date, I think it's all part of the bugaboo tactics hanging over from our recent despots.

I'd like to point out that Bush had 8 years to stack the DoJ and the other organs of enforcement with cronies and obedient followers. It will take a long time, if it's possible at all, to purge these agencies of Neocon influence.

[ButterflyBlood]

3. Daniel Patrick Boyd is an Arabic name?

No, sounds to me like they actually did bust a homegrown white terrorist.

[Dogtown]

9. Muslims need not have a name ending in "X"

"Richard Colvin Reid (born 12 August 1973<1>, also known as Abdul Raheem and as Tariq Raja, and often referred to in the media as the shoe bomber"(from Wiki) had a waspish name.

John Walker Lindh is another.

Perhaps I should have been more specific in my post, but I didn't want to call down the wrath of the DU Christer Cops. I meant to infer that the officials tasked with protecting us from terrorist attacks should allocate some effort to infiltrating the fundamentalist Christian/white supremacy terrorist cells that certainly exist in the US. It's my belief (and that of the SPLC) that they present a more clear and present danger to our safety, much more so than some lame wannabees that converted to Islam in prison whilst doing time for getting popped with a vial of chrystal.

If those nits are itching so badly you need to pick at them, I'd suggest some Quell shampoo for relief. Make sure to wash your bedding, also.



Your nick seems to be a Gibsonesque allusion. He was referring to menstrual stains, if I remember correctly.

[paulsby]

4. evidence please?

for "smells of entrapment"

i worked undercover for years. i know the law of entrapment. i see nothing here that smells of it

[atreides1]

5. You're possibly biased

As you stated "i worked undercover for years".

And unless you know the entire case personally, then it's difficult to accept your assumption that there was no entrapment.

What would be your thoughts of the six guys down in Florida who were "planning" to blow up the Sears Tower in Chicago? The guys didn't even have transportation until it was provided by the informant!

They were convicted on the third try, but by that time the Feds were probably hand picking the jury to get the right decision.

[ButterflyBlood]

6. Can you provide evidence of entraptment?

You also don't seem to understand what entrapment is. Are you one of those people who thinks a drug dealer/buyer has to truthfully answer if they're a cop if asked?

Providing transportation to someone is not entraptment. I'm not a law enforcement officer or attorney, but as I understand here are two examples:

Not Entraptment:
Undercover: That guy has crossed us for the last time. How about we go kill him now? *pulls out gun*
Criminal: Yeah, we probably should. Come on.

Entraptment:
Undercover: That guy has crossed us for the last time. How about we go kill him now? *pulls out gun*
Criminal: No, I don't think that's a good idea now...
Undercover: Oh yes, we are. *points gun at him* Come with me now before I kill you too.
Criminal: ...*meekly* alright.

Two extremes but the point is clear.

[paulsby]

7. don't twist what i said

i have no assumption either way. i am saying i see NO evidence it was entrapment, therefore no reason to ASSUME it was, unless there is evidence. iow, i have not made an assumption either way, i am just saying that i have NO evidence in regards to what you "smell". i similarly have made no assumptions about whether space aliens assisted the FBI. i have no evidence/reason to believe so, therefore i have no assumption. MIGHT it be entrapment? sure. it also might be space alien assisted. the possibilities are endless, but absent evidence, i don't make ASSumptions

[Dogtown]

8. When I was an astronaut...

I've never seen a single post by you that *doesn't* mention that you're a cop. It's getting old.

People can claim to be anything on the internet. For all we know you're a "criminal justice/security" major at DeVry Institute.

btw, that "e.e. cummings" posting style you're using was started here by a guy whose nick was "jukes". he also claimed to have been a narc. he's been banned for several years now, are you pulling a lazarus, jukesy?



Whatever, quit showing off. There's no *evidence* that the Feebs have set these folks up, but there are several cases extant wherein the FBI has supplied faux-bombs to alleged terrorists. I have no *evidence* to proffer, but I think that an A Q-trained insurgent would realize a shoebox full of Silly Putty isn't a real IED. More likely (and that's a surmise)the feds (known as Headline Hunters and also known for falsifying evidence in political cases) have found some gullible wannabees to nudge into committing these crimes.

Perhaps there's no evidence because we (you as well as us non-professionals) only see what's presented by the MSM, also notorious lately for slanting/distorting news to cast issues in a light that furthers the aims of the corporate owners. Since all the facts aren't available, Sgt. Friday, we can only opine.

I make no unsupportable claims of expertise, I just state my opinion when I detect an odor of misfeasance, or any other posing, from law enforcement officials.

[paulsby]

13. i'll give it a 2

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i bring up my experience when it is relevant. and it is certainly relevant in this thread.

if i was an MD, then i would bring it up in a discussion on health care.

same concept.

there is general staggering ignorance about the law (tm) here (which kind of surprises me, but it's true) and police procedures.

[Dogtown]

14. I have no interest in your opinion.

because you've not earned any respect. All you've done is brag.


I certainly have no interest in your "expert" opinion. You're no more erudite than any junior college cop-hopeful. You're a pretentious boor, longing to be a hero.

My point stands. There are many more, and certainly more dangerous groups and individuals on the RW Christian side than there are amongst American Muslims.

And the FBI is known for grabbing headlines and making political cases.

These statements are common-sensible and require no "evidence", especially in a public forum where most commentary is based on beliefs and conjecture rather than evidence. Save your legal challenges for court, if you ever actually appear there for other than a traffic citation.

[paulsby]

15. then ignore my posts

and continue to wallow in ignorance.

instead you seem to want to attack ME because you don't like the facts that i present.

[Dogtown]

16. I never ignore assholes

They can get really messy behind your back.


I didn't attack *you*, almost-officer paulsby. You should have ignored *my* post, since you had nothing to add to the discussion except adoration for your heroes, a common fault among groupies.

Quit your whining. If you have the temerity to niggle a post you have YET to effectively rebut, then you need to grow some callous on those tender spots.



"you don't like the facts that i present."

You haven't advanced a single "fact", all you did was brag about being a narc, and demand "evidence" that isn't available to either you OR me. Even if you *are* somebody's Deputy Dawg.

[paulsby]

17. more ad hominems

done via swear words.

how intelligent.

i'm in awe

[Dogtown]

18. "asshole" is a swear word?

I'd call it a vulgar description of a rectum. I'd also call it apt.

I thought you're a "cop", not a prissy little nun. At any rate, you've still failed to actually rebut my stated opinions. You've snarked one sullen attack on my 1st post in this thread, and all your other posts are whimpers about how unfair I am to suggest you're naught but an extruder of fecal matter.


"ad hominems"? Your last post is surely that.

In my instance, it's entirely appropriate to "attack the messenger", since the messenger in this instance has taken a pretentious stance of "expertise" without even a vestige of provenance.

Surely you're aware that even in a court of law, it is appropriate to question claims of "expertise". On the 'net, where posers abound, playing the hero constantly is suspect, to say the least.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

19. I'm sure you never discuss topics that pertain to your work.

Otherwise your statement would be quite hypocritical.