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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 03:51 PM
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Germany wants U.N. walkout if Amadinejad denies Holocaust
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BERLIN (Reuters) - Germany will walk out of the U.N. General Assembly if Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad denies the Holocaust in a speech he will give Wednesday, and it wants other European Union countries to do the same, the foreign ministry said.

"We will leave the hall if President Ahmadinejad denies the Holocaust or makes anti-Semitic statements ... we are making efforts toward a unified European position," a spokesman said Tuesday.

Ahmadinejad has, as recently as last week, called the Holocaust a lie, repeating his position just as world powers try to decide how to deal with Iran's nuclear ambitions.

Denying the Holocaust, carried out by the Nazis in World War Two, is a crime in Germany. Last week German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier condemned Ahmadinejad's latest denial and called him a disgrace to his country.



Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSTRE58L5FJ2...
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 03:53 PM
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1. To Germany's credit, they don't fuck around with this stuff anymore.
Good for them, and I hope if they do it that others follow suit.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 03:55 PM
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3. I just hope this isn't necessary and that Ahmadinejad
exerts some self-control. oh, and makes it short.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 04:01 PM
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5. Good luck on that.
He's doesn't strike me as the self-control type.

I've actually waded through some of Castro's entire speeches, 5-6 hours at a whack. Anything is short after that. :freak:
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 04:07 PM
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7. I am seriously entertained.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 04:16 PM
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10. You're many things.
Entertained being just one.

I didn't say it was heaven, or even close to what it should be there, but I don't see us making Holocaust denial against the law, do you?
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 06:28 PM
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18. Our side of the aisle tries not to tell people what to think.
And the other side agrees with the denial so no, don't ever expect that to happen here. Because, for one thing, it didn't happen here. It happened there where the penalty on Germany was losing ten percent of its precious Aryan population, too.

Something else, nobody wastes time prohibiting people from doing what they're not doing. Nationally, the US accepts that Germany did those things. Germany had to go to law to force acceptance. We didn't. So don't look at them as so morally superior. They couldn't get the bastards to shut up without threats and penalties. The neo-Nazis are just fine and dandy over there.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 06:37 PM
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19. I don't expect to see it here, not would I want to.
Germany is Germany and deals with it as they see fit for them. Their way is not our way, and I didn't say it should be. You were entertained by my saying they take it seriously, I showed you they take it more seriously than we do, as we haven't resorted to making it illegal. Yes, there are reasons why, but the end result is that they take more seriously, no?

So don't look at them as so morally superior.

I wasn't. Do you look at them as morally inferior ?
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 08:45 PM
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24. "Germany is Germany and deals with it as they see fit for them. Their way is not our way"
Absolutely. I would not want Holocaust denial to be illegal in the U.S., but I completely understand why it is illegal in Germany.

"Do you look at them as morally inferior ?"

They are not morally inferior, but I have never seen a German zombie movie, so they may be cinematicly inferior.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 03:55 PM
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2. Good for Germany.
The US should do the same thing.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 03:57 PM
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4. Hey, Ahmadinejad...
Imma really happy for you, and Imma let you finish, but Ernst Zundel is the craziest Holocaust denier of all time.



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iris27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 10:24 PM
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26. Hahahahaha....
*snort*
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 04:07 PM
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6. Why does Iran even send that bozo to represent them anymore.?
Edited on Tue Sep-22-09 04:08 PM by shadowknows69
It was pretty clear from the election/uprising/whatever the fuck is happening there now, that he's no less a puppet prince than W probably was. If the mullahs really want the rest of the world to eventually bomb them to Allah then keep letting him do the PR. You'll get your wish.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 04:08 PM
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8. Gets him out of the country?
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 04:09 PM
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9. Yeah, but like Bush, anytime he leaves he does more damage.
Edited on Tue Sep-22-09 04:10 PM by shadowknows69
They should stick him on an Iranian ranch cutting shrubs.

ETA. That should be clearing brush lol.
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 07:54 AM
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33. Iran doesn't send him - he wants to make the speech.
I think the question: "Why does Iran even send that bozo to represent them anymore.?" misses the point.

He likes the attention, IMO.
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GodlessBiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 04:25 PM
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11. I would hope we would follow Germany, but I don't know if we have the guts.
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Libertas1776 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 04:38 PM
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13. Is the US
even present when Ahmedinawhatever speaks?
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 04:45 PM
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14. on a very low level.
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maglatinavi Donating Member (614 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 08:16 PM
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23. US present
Unfortunately, yes :argh: :freak:
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 07:55 AM
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34. I think if we outlawed any speech - this would not be America.
n/t
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Alhena Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 04:34 PM
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12. Nice job, Germany
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 04:47 PM
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15. Why is this asshole being allowed to speak??
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 06:48 PM
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21. Well, he is the head of state of a member nation
I assume he gets to speak if he wants to.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 05:51 PM
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16. Mahmoud Dinner-jacket needs a good public humiliation.
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Betsy Ross Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 06:21 PM
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17. I don't think there is anything in for him
if he does. I assume there is a subject or several that he will speak on, but the Holocaust doesn't seem like one. But if he does, WALK OUT.
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 06:41 PM
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20. He is just an asshole, through and through. I think they should throw shoes at him if he does it!!!
Edited on Tue Sep-22-09 06:48 PM by sicksicksick_N_tired
I dunno'. When you are dealing with an asinine bully, it seems doing something that draws attention AWAY from him/her is better than simply leaving the scene. Just MHO.
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AverageJoe5 Donating Member (89 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 08:12 PM
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22. What will the walkout accomplish?
Will the walkout convince Ahmadinejad that the holocaust really happened, and then he will start saying so? I don't think so.
He probably doesn't care if anybody walks out; he would probably be delighted by the walkout because of the extra attention his remarks would receive. Stay in and listen to what he has to say. Even when he's saying something that's incorrect, he has a right to free speech. It's childish to walkout or to boycot his speech.
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Kurska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 08:53 PM
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25. It shows the UN member states aren't okay with what he is saying. n/t
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IrishBuckeye Donating Member (336 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 11:56 PM
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27. It's a protest that says, "Don't waste our time with your hate filled bullshit". /nm
/nm
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 02:31 AM
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29. 3 ...2.....1........
Poof ...
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 03:24 AM
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30. It probably won't teach Ahmadinejad anything (he's unteachable) but it will make an emphatic
statement to and by the rest of the world that antisemitic lies are not accepted these days.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 05:22 AM
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32. It'll further undermine Ahmadinejad's power inside Iran, especially in the eyes of ordinary Iranians
The Iranian people have now found out their previous election was a farce. Ahmadinejad and the people around him are viewed little better than an unelected dictatorship.

If Ahmadinejad does dare to deny the Holocaust, he will just be burning whatever bridges he has left to Europe. He has already burned his bridges to the Iranian people. He will only find his zealots as company. Everybody else will be against him.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 02:05 AM
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28. Kudos to Germany.
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 04:57 AM
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31. Canada to boycott Iran's UN speech
Canada to boycott Iran's UN speech


News ServicesSeptember 23, 2009

Canada will boycott Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's speech at the United Nations today, saying his outbursts about the Holocaust and Israel are "shameful."

Foreign Minister Lawrence Cannon will be at the world body to attend the opening of the UN General Assembly's annual debate, but officials signal he and other members of the Canadian delegation will vacate the Canadian seats when the Islamic republic's president approaches the podium.

http://www.canada.com/Canada+boycott+Iran+speech/202335...
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 08:35 AM
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35. perhaps take him on a visit to the concentration camps.
show him what happened.
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