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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 06:51 PM
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Baucus Bill Passes CBO Test
Source: Political Wire

Despite intense criticisms from both Republicans and Democrats, the Congressional Budget Office has released its preliminary score of the health care bill introduced today by Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus (D-MT) and finds it covers 94% of legal residents and reduces the deficit.

Importantly, the bill also reduces the budget deficit in future years.

Ezra Klein: "This good score is the product of the Finance Committee's sources of funding, not the relative stinginess of its subsidies. The Finance Committee could make the bill more generous, raise a bit more in revenues and still keep it deficit-improving over the next two decades. And it should."

Read more: http://politicalwire.com/archives/2009/09/16/baucus_bil...
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 06:53 PM
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1. Yes, I suppose a huge tax increase on the middle
class would do that.

You can forget being a contractor or employee of a small company making $75K a year with this plan, it will crush you.
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liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 06:55 PM
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2. I wrote him this morning.
My job is pretty much toast if his 'tax the shit out of the middle class and American companies that are keeping some of us employed' bill passes. Fuck Baucus.
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 06:55 PM
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3. 94%? That's ludicrously high. k&u n/t
:rofl:

:dem:

-Laelth
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Delphinus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 02:01 PM
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18. Doesn't pass the "smell" test.
To me, anyway.
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wtbymark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 06:56 PM
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4. but it still screws us
where's the CBO's numbers on the effects it will have on the wallet of the consumer. Does it cap premiums?co-pays?caps?
:shrug:
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 06:59 PM
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5. +1 They're only concerned about the cost on the government end.
This bill would be a financial disaster for a majority of the peoples.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 07:05 PM
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6. Unfortunately it won't pass the consumer affordability test. nt
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tomm2thumbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 07:08 PM
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7. they forgot to say 'it makes the Insurance Industry wealthy beyond measure and political teflon'

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Mr. Sparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 07:18 PM
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8. It also passed the Healthcare Insurance industry test.
but it failed to pass the peoples test. So its a no go!
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TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 09:21 PM
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22. Congress has demonstrated time and again they do not care what the People think and that they no
Edited on Thu Sep-17-09 09:21 PM by TheWatcher
longer represent The People or our interests, or the Constitution, etc.

When this Shit Sandwich becomes law, I hope We The People will finally understand what we are dealing with, and Throw Them ALL Out if need be.

This Government needs an Enema.
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Kingofalldems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 07:35 PM
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9. I wonder if there is a site dedicated to people who claim to be blue dogs
:shrug:
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 09:11 AM
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26. Yes:
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Kingofalldems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 09:28 AM
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27. No wait--I left out a phrase
But are actually republicans and or neocons.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 11:10 AM
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28. If you wish to go to such a website, perhaps DU is not the right place for you
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Kingofalldems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 12:54 PM
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29. No, I like it here and actually contribute dollars for the privilege
of posting.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 01:27 PM
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32. And yet you are always compalining
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Kingofalldems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 02:01 PM
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33. Total bs as usual, I never complain about DU
I do complain about neocons who come here tho.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 02:21 PM
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34. If you know of any conservative disruptors, I suggest you alert the moderators
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 07:45 PM
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10. Too bad it fails the POS test.
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:08 PM
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11. Unfortunately, it fails the smell test.
So...
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bkkyosemite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 09:05 PM
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12. We will be taxed before we even pay for a premium. It will cost a whole lot ...of course that was
not what they were looking at.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 09:11 PM
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13. It covers 94% of legal residents and reduces the deficit.
Edited on Wed Sep-16-09 09:12 PM by JDPriestly
That means that it will impoverish American families but not the government. That's not a solution. That's just complicating the problem. Baucus is an insurance company tool. I will be opposing Baucus' bill if it allows insurance companies to charge what they want and requires people to pay the bill. No. This bill will be hated by the American people. The CBO will be the only entity in America that likes it.
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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 09:19 PM
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14. Obama would never sign it.
Anything that raises taxes on those of us that don't make tons of money is his number 1 line in the sand.... Try again Baucus >O< .
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 08:54 AM
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15. He did sign a tax increase on cigarettes, which hits the poor the hardest
Edited on Thu Sep-17-09 08:55 AM by Freddie Stubbs
But I suppose that is a good thing, since poor people aren't smart enough to make the right choices regarding cigarettes.
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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 11:50 AM
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16. ?
I think they are smart enough they are just sucked into the nicotine addicition for various reasons... I really don't understand your remark
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 01:59 PM
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17. I'm not sure I'd agree with you on that. good buddy. Increase in gasoline tax hurting poor most?
Yes, and in crease in gasoline taxes would hurt the poor the most.

But an increase in ciggie taxes? I'm not sure about that. If someone is addicted to ciggies (I used to be, so I know how that is...at one point, I would've cont'd to smoke even if I'd gotten lung cancer. But I digress.) If someone is addicted to ciggies, and the cigs get too costly, there ARE other avenues of getting nicotine. There's chewing tobacco (don't laugh....my grandma switched from cigs to chewing tobacco, and she stayed on that until she died at the ripe age of 88), and there's Nicorette (you can buy generic in that).

There are also generic cigs, now, too.

So....it's not the same thing as a gasoline tax or something that's absolutely necessary for millions of people.
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TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 09:25 PM
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23. When he does, and gives a pretty speech justifying it, will you still cheerlead and say it's good?
Edited on Thu Sep-17-09 09:25 PM by TheWatcher
Or will we finally have the moment of clarity we so desperately need right now that NEITHER Side is on OUR Side.

I dearly hope I am wrong about this, but I have a very dark feeling that a rude awakening is upon us.

The Bill Of Goods we were Sold is about to show it's Cost.
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Telalim Donating Member (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 02:08 PM
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19. Passes test because WE pay for it
Of course it passes a test because he's making us pay for insurance from insurance companies that care only about profit. I can't believe all this hard work to have a bill written by the insurance industry become the focus of so much attention.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 05:32 PM
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20. Well, of COURSE it won't cost cost the government more
The bill is too busy costing the TAXPAYERS more!

:headbang:
rocktivity
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BlueIdaho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 05:54 PM
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21. A bill that solves no problems but doesn't raise taxes - hardly a ringing endorsement.
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 10:22 PM
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24. There's one big fat thing about the Baucus bill that doesn't make economic sense
He expects to get $500 billion from Medicare. Now, how does he expect that to happen?

The only way I can see is to pay doctors and hospitals less for Medicare patients, which means they raise the prices on those of us who are not on Medicare. Or, they go out of business.

Maybe I'm missing something that someone can enlighten me on?
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rayofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 10:29 PM
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25. Harry Reid is against it...
...as you can see from this statement to his hometown newspaper

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/sep/16/harry-reid-... /

But wait - He is really for it!

http://politics.theatlantic.com/2009/09/reid_thanks_bau...

So which is it?

Remember what Bismark said about politics and sausage...
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 01:00 PM
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31. It will probably depend on what the bill looks after Senators have a chance to offer amendments
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 01:00 PM
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30. Yes, it covers people, but it makes them pay much more than the
other plans out there...in the long term with people having to pay too much for their own insurance, will it really cover them if opting out is cheaper?
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