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Mr. Sparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:16 PM
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Democrats now comprise majority of ‘most corrupt in Congress’ list
Edited on Wed Sep-16-09 12:34 PM by Mr. Sparkle
Source: Rawstory.com

Democrats now comprise majority of ‘most corrupt in Congress’ list

By John Byrne
Published: September 16, 2009
Updated 3 hours ago

Citizens for Ethics and Responsibility in Washington was once characterized as a liberal group on a witch hunt to oust then-House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-TX).

Not anymore. On Tuesday, the Washington watchdog group released its list of what it called the “most corrupt members of Congress” — and Democrats, who now control both chambers of Congress, comprise the majority.

The group posted the list of their 15 most corrupt members of Congress on a special website, CREWsMostCorrupt.com.

Democrats on the list are Sen. Roland Burris (D-IL), Rep. Jesse Jackson, Jr. (D-IL), Rep. Alan B. Mollohan (D-WV), Rep. John P. Murtha (D-PA), Rep. Charles B. Rangel (D-NY), Rep. Laura Richardson (D-CA), Rep. Pete Visclosky (D-IN) and Rep. Maxine Waters (D-CA).

Republicans on the list include Rep. Vern Buchanan (R-FL), Rep. Ken Calvert (R-CA), Rep. Nathan Deal (R-GA), Sen. John Ensign (R-NV), Rep. Jerry Lewis (R-CA), Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-KY) and Rep. Don Young (R-AK). For what it’s worth, there are more Republicans percentagewise than there are in Congress, but this is probably small consolation to those who voted in a Democratic majority on the heels of the Jack Abramoff lobbying scandal.

Read more: http://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/09/16/democrats-make-u... /



That's 8 Democrats and 7 Republicans.

I'm surprised that there is no one connected to the Healthcare industry on the list, given the amount of money they are throwing around.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:18 PM
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1. So, talking to Blago puts you on the top 15?
Edited on Wed Sep-16-09 12:20 PM by Mass
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:38 PM
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5. I think it is more interesting to note there are
only 3 senators in the group. The 2 year election cycle for the House seems to throw the money door wide open.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:43 PM
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8. There are more Reps than Senators, so it is not that surprising.
If anything, Senators are 1/5 of this list, about the same ratio than in Congress.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 02:00 PM
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18. "So, talking to Blago puts you on the top 15?" You are kidding, right?? Or maybe you stopped
reading the news once the esteemed Senator Burris got his appointment.

That guy has more stories than Hans Christian Andersen.



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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 04:59 AM
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30. Go read the actual transcripts. There's not really any evidence that Burris deliberately
misled anyone on any material point while under oath. The bits of testimony, cherry-picked for media charges of perjury, came from longer interrogatory sequences where the questioner asked questions not obviously related to the topic at hand, Burris began to answer, and the questioner then changed the line of questioning. Afterwards, people complained Burris hadn't been exhaustive in his answers. But it's the duty of the questioner to make the question, its purpose in relation to the matter at hand, and its full scope adequately clear. The witness isn't perjuring himself if he doesn't say absolutely everything that could be said in relation to a given question, if the questioner jumps quickly from one topic to another, indicating he is satisfied with answers given, without making clear how detailed an answer he wants, especially if the relation to a material point is not very clear
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 04:47 AM
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29. Yeah, that one's bullshit. It's clear from the transcripts Burris didn't commit perjury
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tomm2thumbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:28 PM
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2. no one is immune
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:31 PM
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3. cue the apologist dlc whore contingent to step up here and defend this=massive unrecs ahead
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:39 PM
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6. I'm confused. Waters is not DLC, neither is Murtha, to my knowledge.
Edited on Wed Sep-16-09 12:42 PM by Mass
There is no surprise that, given that they are now in power, more Dems have the opportunity to become corrupt. This should surprise nobody.
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MrsCorleone Donating Member (844 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 02:05 PM
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19. Maxine Waters is so not DLC. Same with Laura Richardson. Both have strong union backing. I wonder
if that's why they're on this hit list.

What do you all really know about Citizens for Ethics and Responsibility?

I smell bullshit.
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Big_Mike Donating Member (274 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 04:56 PM
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24. They are on the list for what looks to be legitimate grounds
Rep. Waters lobbied regulators for money for a bank her husband owns. She was on the list for different reasons in 2005 and 2006. I have not heard whether a legal opinion has been issued on this yet.

Rep. Richardson has been in trouble regarding homes she owns yet did not report on her financial reports. One home she almost lost to foreclosure, but was able to refinance. The report on this has not been issued.

I do remember seeing Rep. Richardson's name in the local papers when I worked in Long Beach; mainly complaints about her house's appearance. These weren't news stories, as I remember, but rather letters to the editor.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 09:12 PM
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33. Waters husband owns a bank?!
Interesting ~ something is fishy there.
Wasn't their an issue in the Bahamas regarding him?

Rengel has been mighty quiet lately , he looked really tired at the Health Care Speech.
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 01:09 PM
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13. Who on that list is DLC?
Kinda blows your whole stupid argument out of the water, doesn't it?
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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:36 PM
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4. They ALL take money from the same "troughs".
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:41 PM
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7. Because we're in power now.
It didn't pay to bribe us before.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 03:48 AM
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28. Yes, and the Republicans told lobbyists that donations to Dems would leave them in the cold.
Until then, the lobbyists contributed to both sides, through probably more to the majority Party. Then the Republicans laid down the law about not donating anything to Democrats if you wanted the, um, gratitude of the majority party.

It was part of the strategy to achieve a "permanent Republican majority."

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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 06:36 PM
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31. How did that work for them?
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tk2kewl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:43 PM
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9. well lets do the math...


there are 8 Ds on the list out of 257 in the House and 59 in the Senate or 2.5%

there are 7 Rs on the list out of 178 in the House and 40 in the Senate or 3.2%
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Qutzupalotl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:49 PM
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10. +1
(not me, I mean :thumbsup:)
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Zoeisright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 01:27 PM
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14. +2
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Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 01:36 PM
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16. 2.5% of Dems, with 3.2% of Repubs while Dems are in power no less.
Not so bad, considering these people come from all over the country with varying constituencies and everyone having to deal with corporate money in everyones races.

When you consider that Repubs vote as one unit on everything, relating that corruption to each one is harder to do. But, Repubs do deserve more on that list.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 01:05 PM
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11. 8 Dems and 7 Republicans is more or less 50/50. Not sure how that becomes "Dems comprise Majority"
of 'most corrupt in Congress' list.

Not condoning corrupt Dems, but c'mon.


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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 01:29 PM
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15. Exactly. And percentagewise there are more corrupt repugs.
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SandWalker1984 Donating Member (533 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 01:07 PM
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12. Joseph Stalin was right.
It is enough that the people know there was an election. The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything.

Joseph Stalin


See alarming story regarding vote counting machines at Bradblog.com
One private corporation will count 75 million votes in secret in the next election.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 01:48 PM
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17. Pubs way overrepresented on "most corrupt in Congress list" would be less deceptive.
The list of 15 includes 8 Democrats and 7 Repblicans--almost even--yet Democrats in Congress far outnumber Republicans. Plus Jefferson has been convicted AND bankrupted, unlike the likes of McConnell and Ensign.

That said, I hope they all go, except Rangel. (Sue me, I enjoy watching him be interviewed.)
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 02:33 PM
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20. Dear John Byrne - a bit of a flipping STRETCH there sir! more dems in Congress and, on the top 15
corrupt list there's 8 dems & 7 repubs, and that somehow warrants that story title! wow... just wow. a tad rethuggerish doncha think Mr Byrne?

meh, I bet you can't draw worth shit! (inside joke)
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MrsCorleone Donating Member (844 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 02:55 PM
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21. Lol! Agreed.
Here's my favorite snippet.

Byrne: "For what it’s worth, there are more Republicans percentagewise than there are in Congress, but this is probably small consolation to those who voted in a Democratic majority on the heels of the Jack Abramoff lobbying scandal."

Wow, I'm dizzy. As if the Abramoff scandal alone was the tipping point of no return for the 'pubs. LOL!

Folks, just because this was posted on Raw Story, doesn't mean it's the gospel.

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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 04:21 PM
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22. So...ONE DEM MORE than republics, even though DEMS make up the majority of
congress-critters.

Well, the rightwingnuttery will have something new to scream about (whilst totally ignoring, of course, the wee inconvenient fact that percentage-wise, republics have far more corrupt politicians). That's a given.

But really...I just don't care what the republics do or don't say or do. Life is just too damn short.
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vkkv Donating Member (41 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 04:50 PM
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23. Where's Larry Craig and David Vitter ?

Where's Larry Craig and David Vitter ?
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 04:59 PM
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25. Larry Craig is no longer in Congress
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 03:33 AM
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27. Adultery is not the same as corruption, which would involve some
Edited on Thu Sep-17-09 03:41 AM by No Elephants
wrongdoing that is job-related. Bribes, special favors, etc., to a Senator in return for voting a certain way; putting your family on your staff, something along those lines.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 06:24 PM
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26. yay my congressman finally got on a top 15 list - calvert from CA :-) nt
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VladPutin Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 08:44 PM
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32. Dem or Rep, it don't matter...
....most if not all are corrupt.
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