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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 11:49 AM
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Cracker Barrel Beating May Be Hate Crime(White Man beats Black Female Soldier in front of Her Child)
Edited on Wed Sep-16-09 12:00 PM by RamboLiberal
Source: WSBTV

MORROW, Ga. -- The FBI is investigating the beating of an African-American woman by a white man at a Cracker Barrel restaurant as a possible hate crime.

Morrow police said they arrested Troy Dale West, of Poulan, Ga. after he attacked Tasha Hill after she asked him to "be careful" at a Cracker Barrel restaurant.

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"The man slung open the door pretty hard and fast and I had to push my daughter out of the way. I turned to the man and I just said, 'Excuse me sir, you need to watch yourself you almost hit my daughter in the face.' And from there it just went downhill," said Hill.

At that point, West became enraged and began to beat the victim in front of her 7-year-old daughter, according to police. Hill said she told West she was an Army servicemember and she did not want any trouble.

West threw her to the ground and hit her in the head with his fists and feet, police said. During the exchange, witnesses said West could be heard screaming racial slurs at the victim.


Morrow police arrested Troy Dale West(47) of Poulan after reviewing a video surveillance tape and talking to customers. He was charged with battery, disorderly conduct and cruelty to children.

Read more: http://www.wsbtv.com/news/20940073/detail.html



Hope this "cracker" ends up in prison for a very long time. What a racist cretin! Bet this story doesn't appear on Drudge.

On edit a bit more:

West told police he became upset because Hill spit on him after accusing him of trying to hit her daughter, according to the police report. But several witnesses said they never saw the 35-year-old Army reservist spit on West.

The entire incident was caught on the restaurant's video surveillance system, but Cracker Barrel officials and police declined to release the video Tuesday because it's part of an ongoing investigation.

http://wsbradio.com/localnews/2009/09/attack-on-army-re...

MORROW, Ga. -- Witnesses to a beating at a Morrow Cracker Barrel are talking to CBS Atlanta about what they call a shocking hate crime.

Ginger Ellis loves her three grandchildren. She was especially taken by the 7-year-old girl in the tutu, skipping into the Cracker Barrel in Mororw with her mother last Wednesday.

I smiled at her and said hey baby, said Ellis.

But just seconds later Ellis watched as 7-year-old Shiyenn Hills mother Tawshawnea Hill was beaten by 6'2" 250 lb. Troy Dale West. Police said the beating happened right in front of Shiyenn.

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The employee said Hill told West, Please dont do this, Im in the military, to which West responded I dont give a f***you black n***** b****and then started punching her." The employee said "I saw the foot motion of him kicking her. As he was punching her, he called her a black n***** b**** twice."

Ginger Ellis says she is convinced the attack was racially motivated because he used the N word and the way he kept kicking her and he kept hitting her. You could see the evilness on his face.

http://www.cbsatlanta.com/news/20931542/detail.html
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T Wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 11:53 AM
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1. He'll wind up on Fuck Nuze, maybe even with his own show. This is the typical repuke.
And people think you can reason with them?
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SCantiGOP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 02:57 PM
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97. congratulations
Are in order for Beck, Rush, O'Reilly and all the others who do so much to promote this kind of 19th century behavior. I hope he shares a cell with the meanest big black dude in the jail.
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tosh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 03:20 PM
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111. Oh man, do I second that hope of yours.
I am a native of Georgia and I am SICK and TIRED of this kind of crap.

I am APPALLED that the RETHUG leadership of this state on both levels are allowing this to fester and that some even promote this hate.

Cheeses, this makes me angry. :mad:
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StreetKnowledge Donating Member (921 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 03:30 PM
Response to Reply #111
118. I hear ya, friend.
This crap really shouldn't be allowed to fester. I'm as much of a free speech supporter as anybody else, but the people who promote this shit belong in jail, because this is the sorta garbage that results from it. Witness the 9/12 clusterfuck.
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NBachers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 01:17 AM
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228. Welcome to Gladiator School!
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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 03:33 PM
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119. Give him a job driving a school bus
Then he can fend for himself.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 04:44 PM
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crazyjoe Donating Member (921 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 03:50 PM
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126. now really, calling him a typical repuke is a little much.
as in he is a typical republican goes around beating the shit out of black woman in front of there children?
this guy deserves a nice long stay in prison and to get the shit kicked out of him by someone twice his size. (Mike Tyson?)
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 06:39 PM
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178. Fuck Nuze won't even mention this happening.
Not their style. Wrong colors for each party.
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 01:07 AM
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227. Wanna bet?
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 06:06 AM
Response to Reply #227
234. ...please tell me you made that news crawl up...
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Tinksrival Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 12:15 PM
Response to Reply #227
248. Wow!
They labeled him a Democrat ???????????

Why am I still surprised at what Fox does? At this point is it a big joke or what?
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 06:28 PM
Response to Reply #227
262. That's very clever and well done. But actually, I was right.
No way Faux News has or will mentioned this. He's their demographic.
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asjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 11:57 AM
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2. He needs to be planted under the jail. You just
know this was not his first time beating up on people.
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Steerpike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 11:58 AM
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3. I wonder...
Does he have a history of violence? I would not be surprised if this is not his first step over the line.
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vduhr Donating Member (481 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 11:58 AM
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4. Can he go to prison for this crime?
Hope so...he'd then better watch his back. Word gets out that he beat a black woman...well, heh heh heh.
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:02 PM
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6. Too bad he can't meet some of her fellow soldiers
in a back alley. I'd like to see some "Army Strong" put on this hateful slime.
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JimWis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:14 PM
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12. Sounds like a good idea. I had a similar thought.
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 10:02 PM
Response to Reply #6
207. Oh just wait till the prison fellas get a hold of this one.
He's gonna be mighty popular.
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dgibby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 11:03 PM
Response to Reply #6
219. Time for a "blanket party".
He can be the guest of honor.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 02:17 PM
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64. Yes, it's felonious assault. nt
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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 02:25 PM
Response to Reply #4
74. What percentage of physical assaults do you think result in prison terms?
We need those cells for marijuana possession.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:01 PM
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5. He looks like the archetypical mean SOB.
Edited on Wed Sep-16-09 12:02 PM by MineralMan
We've all met him...angry at every damn thing on the planet, and ready to kick someone's ass at the drop of a hat.

Off to the graybar hotel for this one.
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morillon Donating Member (809 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:11 PM
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9. Is that what 47 is supposed to look like?
The life he's lived is written all over his face.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:15 PM
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14. Well, it's what 47 looks like...
if you're a dumbass, beer-swilling, mullet-wearing, shit-kicking Georgia cracker. That shit ages a guy.

The Fail is strong in that one...
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morillon Donating Member (809 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:22 PM
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19. "The Fail is strong in that one"? LOL!
I'll have to remember that.

He's just a year older than I am and the same age as my husband. Lordy. I've never lived anywhere other than Georgia, and sure as hell don't look as old as that guy!

I'm convinced that evil thoughts and nasty ways of living show up on your face by the time you're 40 at the latest.
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Plucketeer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 04:45 PM
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151. I agree with your assessment
This sort of cretin is found under too many rocks. Let's hope this one's signed his way to a lifetime of socialized support - a ward of the state for the rest of his miserable life. :grr:
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Hosnon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 02:26 PM
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76. Statements like yours are always particularly ironic in threads like this one. nt.
Edited on Wed Sep-16-09 02:27 PM by Hosnon
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 02:56 PM
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95. I'm afraid I don't take your meaning...
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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 03:15 PM
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107. He attacks the woman because of her apperance (black).

Your post implies judgement of the man based on his appearance. Hence, the irony.


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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 03:28 PM
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116. I see. However, I did not judge him on his racial characteristics,
Edited on Wed Sep-16-09 03:31 PM by MineralMan
did I? Instead, I judged him based on my experience with people I know who have his grooming characteristics and similar facial expressions. Such people may be found in any place in this country, and are almost universally to be avoided.

Those particular characteristics are common among criminals of all races. Most humans are pretty good at spotting angry, potentially-violent people and avoiding them. That judgment has nothing whatever to do with race. It has to do with other areas of observation.

Perhaps your experience is different.
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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 04:45 PM
Response to Reply #116
150. He looks a lot like me (plus we're the same age).

And, yes, people are afraid of me because I *look* scary.

Nor is it really the grooming. I encountered the same problem when I was short-haired and clean-shaven.

I understand the subconscious fear of me. I am surprised to find you actually justifying your fear. And if you think about it hard and long enough, you may conclude it is a form of bigotry.


And do you not realize that your average racist would say that "dark skin" is a particular characteristc common among criminals and use that as justification for his bigotry? Not only that, he'd point out that he "has many Black friends" to prove that his "judgment has nothing whatever to do with race. It has to do with other areas of observation."

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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 04:57 PM
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154. I'm not afraid of such people. I just choose to avoid contact
with them. If you fit the model, I'm really sorry about that. My avoidance of you, however, causes you no problem.

I would not say I had friends with the characteristics of appearance displayed by the man who beat that woman. I don't. Having been in unprovoked fights with such people on several occasions in my youth, I simply choose to have no contact with them.

The sullen glare is the key. I have a beard, too, but I also wear a smile almost all the time in public places. Nobody's afraid of me, not even kids.

If you carry a sullen glare around on your face, then you can do something about that. A smile overcomes most other warning signs.

Don't try to make careful observation of body language and facial expressions the equivalent of racism. There's no comparison.
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 06:19 PM
Response to Reply #150
172. He looks a lot like me (plus we're the same age).
Edited on Wed Sep-16-09 06:20 PM by AlbertCat
Many an old hippy looks like that. Many of the grips I worked with on film do too.


For me, it's the Cracker Barrel thing. Who the fuck in their right mind eats there? Everyone in this sorry story loses a point for that!


Still, that look can make one wary. Perhaps you should dress like a priest. Everyone will be nice to you then. Or is that a form of prejudice?
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Dreamer Tatum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 05:28 PM
Response to Reply #116
164. Oh man, you've got to be kidding.
Reverse the races and JUST TRY to tell me you'd say the same thing about a "mean-looking" black man.

I second the claim that your post was highly ironic.
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 11:11 PM
Response to Reply #116
220. lol -- you can tell a criminal by their "grooming characteristics" and facial expressions?
:rofl:

Of course, mug shots don't produce a lot of happy looking photos, as the whole arrest/booking process doesn't bring out most people's sunny dispositions.

There are exceptions, of course:
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Best_man23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 09:47 PM
Response to Reply #5
201. Hey, that's the ClusterFox demographic
Angry, mean white guys.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 09:56 PM
Response to Reply #5
204. Do you have to check your guns at Cracker Barrel . .. ??? Good thing!!
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pipoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 11:46 PM
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223. Actually
Edited on Wed Sep-16-09 11:47 PM by pipoman
in my experience, which includes repossessing over 10,000 vehicles, most men who will beat up a woman is a huge pussy when confronted by a man who he knows can take care of himself. I have met a few rare exceptions (2 in 2-300 known wife beaters I've worked on, that I can remember), mostly who are either in prison or have been, and are on their way back. I figure 1-2% of the male population will fight another man when confronted. Most of these nutsacks who will beat a person who is much smaller than themselves (male or female) are some of the most polite people I have dealt with.
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wilt the stilt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:06 PM
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7. I used to sell cash registers
in Morrow. Morrow is the old south. Only Atlanta and north Atlanta is urbanized. South, east and west Atlanta is like being in the rural south. I am not surprised at this at all.
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morillon Donating Member (809 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:31 PM
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22. The 'burbs have spread out a lot.
The south, east, and west are much more diverse than they used to be. The diehard racists who live in those areas (who are increasingly few in number, thank all the gods) HATE this, and I've heard a few say that the only way African-Americans could possibly afford to live there is because they're getting Section 8 help. I guess the meme now would be that they bought houses with fishy mortgages.

These types of people just cannot deal with the idea that African-Americans can be middle class, upper middle class, or even wealthy in just as legitimate a way as whites. And they're threatened as all hell by it.
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Golden Raisin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 02:51 PM
Response to Reply #22
89. African-Americans
can even be elected President of the U.S.A. and apparently a lot of people all over this country are threatened by that.
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morillon Donating Member (809 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 02:56 PM
Response to Reply #89
96. Yeah, some are coming totally unglued over it. n/t
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:10 PM
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8. Maybe, in jail, he'll get another turn in the "Barrel"
In this situation, "Cracker" Barrel seems an apt description of the place.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:13 PM
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10. Ms. Ellis is a white woman with bi-racial grandchildren. I am a white
woman with bi-racial nieces. How many white racists are out there who think they are safe showing off their hate for blacks, Latinos, Asians, etc in front of other white people without realizing that the people they hate are our loved ones?
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:33 PM
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23. I am white. It's my duty as a human to not tolerate racism,
especially by other white people who pull the "Oh, the Black person just left the room, let's tell jokes" bullshit.
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morillon Donating Member (809 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:35 PM
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26. I am so with you on that. n/t
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 06:25 PM
Response to Reply #23
173. "Oh, the Black person just left the room, let's tell jokes"
Hey.... when you're gay, they don't even wait for you to leave the room before the jokes start. My father and uncles used to tell awful gay jokes with me standing there.... because they were too dumb to figure out a 45+ year old unmarried costume designer was gay! What a bunch of dumbfucks!
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NBachers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 01:24 AM
Response to Reply #173
229. You'll please forgive me for laughing about
"they were too dumb to figure out a 45+ year old unmarried costume designer was gay! What a bunch of dumbfucks!"
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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 02:22 PM
Response to Reply #10
72. About the only thing I can agree with in this thread, other than the wrongness of this violence.
Edited on Wed Sep-16-09 02:24 PM by imdjh
A person simply has to be dull to his surroundings to not know that anyone, including the "dumbassed cracker" who is working on your car (perhaps especially a blue collar southern white) might have beloved family members who are of another ethnicity.

However, the tone of many posts in this thread suggests another kind of blindness is in play. The reason this is news is because it can't be dismissed as economic violence.
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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 06:41 PM
Response to Reply #72
180. Really?!
Is the 'reason' for his violence really what's important? Or, what's news?

We humans seem to have a voyeuristic drive to see violent, unspeakable acts. And, far too many of us are virulently bigoted, because our fears are tremendous motivators.

The stress of our burgeoning economic crisis may wreak havok in this bigot's life, but it will never be a 'reason' for him to assault another human being.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 10:03 PM
Response to Reply #72
208. Certainly, it was a racist attack . . . but economy can still count . . .
Edited on Wed Sep-16-09 10:04 PM by defendandprotect
The GOP has been working really hard for decades to create a violent America --

many ex-servicemen have been violent, especially with their wives.

Imagine there are other details to be learned about him.

GOP has pulled all the strings it can --

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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 03:16 PM
Response to Reply #10
109. I have been saying that for so long..
these people really must believe that they are living in the 50's or 60's..
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:13 PM
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11. Every Cracker Deserves A Barrel

Hopefully a barrel headed for Niagara Falls.
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Rebubula Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:15 PM
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13. Of course...
...it is a fucking hate crime. It is probable that this guy would have beat anyone up (coming from the South I have known lots of bully boys like this asshole that just like to beat people up) - but his words indicate his motives.

Moreover - it is a crime against a child.

I like the idea of releasing him to the mother's reservist platoon...let the Army folks deal with this asshole.

Very little shocks me anymore, but this story did shake me up. As a gentleman I would never hit a woman (unless she knew Karate or came at me with a bottle -- before anyone flames me there, this is a quote from the movie 'In Bruges') for any reason (physically restrain maybe, but never punch) and think that any man that does is an asshole that deserves no mercy or respect.


Damn....I guess this is a precursor to South bashing threads...
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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:15 PM
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15. Hopefully this will be the event that will turn the decent people......................
................in this country against these racist, ignorant fuckers once and for all. Jesusfuckingchrist, an Army reservist with her young daughter. What in the holy fuck is wrong with these fucktards?????
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:20 PM
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16. It's a way of life for some people...
and they're proud of it. You see assholes like this guy everywhere. If you want to see more of them, stop into any bar in the country that has a bunch of dented pickup trucks in its parking lot. They're all in there of an evening, fueling up to dull their limited brains.

Don't go alone, though, and don't say anything remotely intelligent, or they'll turn on you en masse. They're dumbasses, and they take offense at anyone who is not a dumbass. They'll try to find an excuse to pick a fight with you, then get cheered on by the rest of the dumbasses if you take the bait.

Dangerous people...
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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:45 PM
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31. I know the type, I was venting. I lived in Chgo area for 50+ yrs and............
...........you see them there too (although the look & style are different). I now live in a relatively small town in Arkansas and see it in more of the light of the OP. I am a lower middle class retired working class guy and believe me, I have seen a "little". So I know of what you are saying. My hope in reading the post was with all the shit going on now, tea parties, Joe Wilson, Glen Beck and all the fucking right wing hatefest shit, is maybe, just maybe the rest of the country will finally say ENOUGH and we can start to move fucking on.
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LeftinOH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:22 PM
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17. One wonders if this behavior is just typical craven racism -OR-
is he a modern RW'er who is all "stoked up" from the furious anti-Obama/Socialist/Nazi/Acorn/etc diatribes that some Americans are willingly exposing themselves to on a daily basis -especially in the past year? I've known a few bigots, and most of them would have offered an insincere "sorry", or just ignored her completely. But-- flying into a violent rage and shouting hateful words makes it seem like this asshole was already on high alert & looking for a fight.
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get the red out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 01:46 PM
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48. You may be onto something
I have thought that about a lot of crap going on in our society these days. I seriously doubt a lot of these right wing guys would stoop as low as they do now if it weren't for the AM radio hate that drones on and on, and is continued on Fox News when they turn the TV on. These people become addicted to it like a drug and feel justified in doing all kinds of things that aren't civilized.

Listening to the hate on AM radio and Fox News changes people, I have seen it personally, they become angry and feel ok about saying racists things that they normally wouldn't say out loud. It gives them permission to not fight their demons, but to be proud of them.
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morillon Donating Member (809 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 02:52 PM
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91. I think an awful lot of people are seriously wound up right now.
The conservative hate machine is cranking out propaganda non-stop, and its addicts (I agree with your characterization as such) are totally freaking out. I don't know where this is all going to end up.
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get the red out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 03:09 PM
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106. Me neither
It has been worrying me for a while. I live in a red state and some of these people just consider the President to be the devil. I know it has so much to do with the Limbuagh-style hate speach. It is one thing to look at someone and disagree with them on political issues, it is another to just hate them and have no respect for them at all. The evidence for me is that my state has a Democratic Governor and the Republicans may disagree with him, but the absolute hate isn't there at all. I believe because he is white, and Rush isn't telling his minions that they need to specifically hate the Democratic Gov. of KY every single day, which is then followed up by Fox News lies linking him to every kind of garbage they can make up.

That is what has been done to the President, the radio hate derrides the President every day all day, and I believe it hooks the listeners even more because the President isn't white and doesn't have a name that sounds like those whose ancestors came from Western Europe. Plain and simple, and the propagandists take that fear/hate and instead of cooling it by speaking in a civilized manner even in disagreement, they whip it into a total frenzy.
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KyleA Donating Member (134 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 04:16 PM
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135. You are so right
Edited on Wed Sep-16-09 04:17 PM by KyleA
and it's inevitable that blood will be spilled because of this. If not Obama then some other elected official. Then watch all the aholes you mentioned express "shock" and claim no responsibility. Sickening to think about. If anything did happen to the president every city in this country would burn.
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JamesJ Donating Member (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 04:45 PM
Response to Reply #135
149. And you are right too
Yes the aholes will wash their hands of any responsibility and in their next breath say something like, "...but I understand their anger that drove them to this terrible act..."

You're also right about cities burning.
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get the red out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:17 PM
Response to Reply #135
194. Exactly!
What happened to the innocent woman and her little girl in Cracker Barrel is a symptom of this.

And the Radio Heads would quickly claim that anyone who did what they are carefully prompting them to do was just some "lone nut" and nothing they said could be considered responsible for that. Bull-sh*t, they know exactly what they are doing, it's what they get the big bucks for.
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 01:52 PM
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51. These ass wipes have been given
permission by the o'lielimpbecks of the RW hate speech world. I don't want to hear any of them try to excuse this behavior. They own it!
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 02:20 PM
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69. I knew it was coming...and now with the video of the young black boys beating up the white kid on
the bus watch for more of the same...listening to the past two days to the heart of faux, becking and rushing they are in full hate mode against anyone on the left and the focus on the racist theme is sending up alarms by the hundreds..even those that thought themselves un-racist are allowing their beginning lessons to once again become the forefront of their thought processes...

Fear is a funny thing..fear doesn't always make people hide under rocks..the fear in todays world being pushed by the gop is doing exactly what they hoped it would do...its pushing them to strike first for unwarranted fear that they might find themselves a victim..

crazy times have allowed the crazies to find a foothold in modern society and since this country could care LESS about those with border line mental instabilities never mind those already that have crossed the line we are in for a rough ride...worse before it gets better...

I wonder why no one helped her???????? I don't get it...
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Lilyeye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 04:06 PM
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132. I was wondering myself..but was there no one around or anything?
Reading this type of stuff is horrible and it angers me. I'm not only mad that this racist pig targetted this women because of her race, but the fact that a fucking man would do this to a woman in front of her child pisses me off too. This racist and sexist pig is the worst there is. These fucking cowards are going after people who can't defend themselves. A few weeks ago a 70 something year old black man was beaten by 3 skinheads at a park. I bet Faux news ignored that story as much as possible.
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Geek_Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 07:10 PM
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187. I'm wondering that too
I've known some serious racist fuckers in the past but none of them would have pulled this shit.

I think the flames of racism and paranoia have seriously been ignited, especially in the south and I'm worried about it.
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:22 PM
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18. "may be" a hate crime????
Geesh :puke:
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morillon Donating Member (809 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:23 PM
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20. Textbook, IMO.
I'm convinced this guy will do some time.
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 01:07 PM
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40. Really. Why isn't that one of the charges? This needs to be called out for what it really is. nt
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trusty elf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 02:06 AM
Response to Reply #18
230. No, no, it's not a hate crime.
People are playing the race card!

:eyes:
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tomm2thumbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:25 PM
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21. human garbage - a term that so often is neglected is certainly fitting here
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FlaDem83 Donating Member (121 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:34 PM
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24. Terrible. Surely this won't make Drudge, Malkin, El Drug-bo
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:43 PM
Response to Reply #24
29. Just heard Ed Schultz play Druggie Limbaugh talking
about the white kid getting beat up by black kids and saying is this "Obama's America".

Gee, is this Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, Teabaggers, Palin, Joe Wilson America?
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 03:23 PM
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115. Racist Dobbs was showing the white kid being beaten video...
yesterday as well. I wonder if he will follow up today by covering this story, I highly doubt it. As long as CNN continues to 'host' Dobbs they are to be considered a racist network, imo.
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Lilyeye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 03:56 PM
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127. Every single time a crime is reported, some idiots makes the "Obama America" comment
as though we didn't have hate crimes or crimes period under Bush. That type of fucking race baiting pisses me off so much. Putting out the fear that "those violent black folks" are messing with "poor white people" because they feel validated with Obama as President. I've been hearing the repukes say shit like this since the election. I feel for that poor kid that was beat and I hate that the repukes are using that to push their racist views.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 10:10 PM
Response to Reply #127
211. THIS is the America the GOP has been working for . . . including race riot --!!
Edited on Wed Sep-16-09 10:11 PM by defendandprotect
been working on that for decades, IMO!

Immediately after JFK's death it because obvious that there were huge efforts

being made to make Americans afraid of one another -- Drug War was quite a useful tool in

that in making people afraid of even their own kids!!

TV has been used for decades now to create ever more violent scripts -- violence

against women -- torture -- and yet people are still tuning in!!!???

Neither peace nor a peaceful society works for the GOP right wing fascists!


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MajorChode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 03:15 PM
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108. Are you kidding?
It shouldn't take them too long to find a hillbilly witness that will swear the mother started the whole thing and that the human pile of shit, Troy Dale West was merely defending himself. Then they will parade an endless stream of blue haired old ladies that got mugged by a black man and ask why they weren't prosecuted for hate crimes.
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:35 PM
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25. I always wonder why no one intervened in these kinds of things
Violence against women is unacceptable. Some could have stopped it.
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morillon Donating Member (809 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:41 PM
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27. Even the women standing there could've done something.
I mean, throw something at him, beat him with a chair, whatever.

I was at the premiere of Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome in downtown Atlanta more than 20 years ago, and after the movie, a guy started beating up a girl in the parking lot. Car doors opened, and a couple of dozen guys, some of them dressed like characters from the movie, emptied out of their cars and tore across the parking lot after the perp. He narrowly escaped.
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:49 PM
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33. There were lots of options but we as a society have become reluctant to do the right thing
How many women have OC spray in their purse? How many guys could have stopped it by standing between them?
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 01:12 PM
Response to Reply #27
42. Wish someone had picked up one of those Cracker Barrel Rockers
and whacked him upside the head with it.
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 02:34 PM
Response to Reply #25
80. IME, most people just stand around and watch a fight.

One of the things I dislike about human nature.



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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 10:13 PM
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213. You always had to be concerned that someone had a knife . . .
people have their own responsibilities to think of --

but I do think people do intervene very often.

Today -- maybe a gun?

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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 11:18 AM
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245. I wouldn't care. I had an incident recently being with someone who didn't want to intervene...
we were driving by a woman on the street who was being followed and screamed at by a man in a car. He pulled his car onto the sidewalk to block her.. I made the person I was with turn the car around (he did NOT want to "get invovled") She walked into a parking lot and the guy had blocked her up against a wall with his car (not hitting her, but blocking), and the person I was with was like... "he could have a gun, leave it alone." Well, as I was simultaneously calling 911, I asked her if we should call the police for her. She was like "oh, it's the father of my baby, don't call the police", and he's screaming at her to get in the car. I said it was too late, they're on the way, and he kept screaming, and she finally jumped in the car. They sped away at about 90 mph on the freeway, as we fed the police their information. Could he have had a gun? Sure! But I'd rather give it a try to make sure she wasn't shot to death... then worry about myself at that point. And what if he had shot her as we were driving by not wanting to get involved??

Americans have become cowards. We think that a phone call is going to save someone's life when another person is being beat or attacked. They could be dead in the few minutes it takes to get the police there, when some type of intervention could save their life. I will always err on the side of helping another person -- and I pray that someone would do the same for me if I was being attacked.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 02:23 PM
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252. I cited the reasons because I am familiar .. .
Edited on Thu Sep-17-09 02:24 PM by defendandprotect
with such circumstances.

We were at a wedding when my husband intervened where a male had become abusive

with one of the female guests. It was in the lobby area. And the guy did pull

out a knife. My husband somehow recognized that he really didn't have his heart

it and managed to get it away from him.

However -- I don't see just anyone being able to intervene.

I've also intervened with a young teenaged male pushing around a young girl outside

the highschool. And I stayed a distance from him while protecting her and following

through by going into the high school to identify him.

Also making sure that the young girl understand the dangers of being with anyone who

is abusive at any time -- and encouraging her to speak with her family and teachers

about the incident.

I admire you -- but it's not something that everyone is ready, willing or ABLE to do.



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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 11:12 AM
Response to Reply #25
242. I just posted that below... I guess calling 911 is the extent of assistance nowadays. n/t
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:42 PM
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28. And no one tried to stop the assault?
that is also telling.

Great, another republican hero.
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morillon Donating Member (809 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:44 PM
Response to Reply #28
30. I think people often freeze in those situations.
At first, it's hard for the brain to even register that something so fucked up is happening.

It sounds like someone pulled the little girl out of the way, at least.
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Czar One Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 04:42 PM
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145. "Witnesses"
Ptuh! COWARDS!
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 05:25 PM
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162. Too bad you weren't there, tuff guy
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 11:22 AM
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247. You know what? I'm a petite woman in my late 40s, and I would have come to her aid.
I'm sick of people who think that standing around calling the police is helping another person. She could have been dead by the time they arrived, or he could have turned it on her child. Frankly, most people probably assumed it was a domestic incident. People do NOT get involved if they think it's a domestic thing, even if it's violent. They've shown that over and over... there was a girl in my pleasant little town who was attacked by a man in a parking lot. No one came to her aid as she was assaulted. Someone called 911 as they drove by.. when the police arrived and asked witnesses about it, they all said they thought it was a domestic dispute. Now this guy was punching her in the face, and eventually stole her purse. Happens all the time. They did that thing on TV where they set up a guy verbally abusing his "girlfriend" and people just walked by and didn't intervene, and the guy was getting violent. The only person that intervened was an older woman, everyone else walked by like it was a freak show.
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chatnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 11:21 PM
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221. I know, how pathetic
That no one came to this woman's defense.
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Kingofalldems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:46 PM
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32. Mullet hicks are on the march
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 06:33 PM
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177. Mullet hicks are on the march
Technically, that's not a mullet. He just has long hair. A mullet requires it being cut short in front..... Technically. I have several long haired friends who are as calm and sweet as lambs. No mullets there.
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madmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:56 PM
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34. Isn't it telling how these "real men" like to beat up on women?
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 01:01 PM
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35. And nobody stepped in on this?
Not a single customer, witness thought enough was enough and put a halt to this beat down. A sad statement about our society when people simply stand around and watch as a woman gets a beat down.
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izquierdista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 02:14 PM
Response to Reply #35
61. Well, it is CRACKER barrel
You didn't think they called it that because they gave away Saltines, did you?
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 02:19 PM
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66. I wonder if it was over before anyone understood what was up.
I don't know of course, but I can see looking and saying WTF just happened?
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Regret My New Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 02:19 PM
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67. I was wondering the same thing as I read that. I didn't see any mention of anyone trying to stop it
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 02:19 PM
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68. Consider the location.
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 03:00 PM
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100. All these posts are pissing me off
Edited on Wed Sep-16-09 03:01 PM by WildEyedLiberal
Was the grandma supposed to charge in and pull this raging huge 6'2'' 250 lb violent man away? What if she was the only witness to the initial attack, and no other customers or employees were around?

It's too bad the DU Internet Badass Brigade can't be everywhere to leap in, Superman-like, and forcefully stop all this violent crime from occuring :eyes:
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 04:25 PM
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139. Well, I wasn't specifically stating that the Grandma should do this,
However I do know some grandmas that would. Nothing like a piece of wood across the backside of the head to calm billy bad-ass down.

No, I was actually thinking more about where were other patrons, or the staff, considering that this took place in the vicinity of the door. I imagine that there were more witnesses than Granny, given that Cracker Barrels are generally pretty busy places most of the time.

Sorry, but this seems to me to be another instance where people simply didn't want to get involved. Our society has evolved away from common decency to common callousness. People simply don't want to become involved anymore and are more and more willing to walk on by.
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 04:36 PM
Response to Reply #139
142. This is a common phenomenon that is not related to any time or place
It's called the bystander phenomenon - the more people who witness an act that most would agree warrant intervention, the fewer who actually act to stop it, because everyone hopes/assumes that "someone else will." This is not limited to Georgia, conservatives, whites, or our current day - it has been universally observed across all spectra of society.

But that again assumes something that is not clear from the newspaper article - that there WAS a crowd witnessing the initial attack. The witness in the paper is the grandma, and I'm sorry, grandma doesn't stand a chance against an enraged 250 lb asshole. She is not morally obligated to put her personal safety at risk, especially when the chances of actually succeeding (ie, stopping the attack by herself) are negligible.

We don't know when the guy was actually stopped - he was arrested, so it stands to reason he didn't just beat the woman indefinitely, nor was he allowed to get in his vehicle and leave. I don't know why everyone assumes that the guy wasn't stopped immediately because the racists in Georgia wanted to watch a beatdown - that assumption is completely unwarranted given the evidence. I'd also like to see how many of these DU Action Jacksons would be so badass and fearless if they found themselves in a similar situation in real life.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 04:56 PM
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153. Considering that we have witnesses to what the man was saying as he put on the beat down
Including an employee, I would say that there were people around who simply watched.

I'm aware of the bystander phenomenon, but I'm also aware that there are lots of decent people in the world too. No, they aren't morally obligated to put themselves in danger if they are old or disabled.

Yet it seems as though people are much less willing to get involved these days. It was a regular event twenty five-thirty years ago to see articles in the paper discussing how a person or group of people jumped in to save somebody or prevent this sort of thing from happening. Yet now, it seems more common to see articles that mention how people just watch.

As far as DU "action jacksons" I can't speak for them. I can only speak for myself, and yes, I have pulled big guys off the beat down they were putting out. I've also pulled people out of wrecked cars and bowled over the criminal who broke out the front window of the local store in order to snatch some cigs. Action jackson, no, just doing the right thing. And frankly, I wouldn't hesitate to do the right thing again either.

Something that we apparently need more of, people willing to do the right thing.
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 05:22 PM
Response to Reply #153
161. Good for you - seriously
Edited on Wed Sep-16-09 05:23 PM by WildEyedLiberal
I highly doubt most people, DUer or otherwise, would do the same. Survival instinct kicks in, and if someone is not trained to deal with volatile or physical situations or is physically unimposing themselves (sorry, I'm a 5'6 woman with no martial arts or self defense training so I probably wouldn't be leaping on top of the 250 lb crazy either), then they're not likely to play the hero. I just get sick of the eager judgmentalism thrown around when people don't race to place themselves in danger, as if the only reason they aren't is because they're cowards or closet racists or whatever. Heroism is a great thing, but it's rare, and the corollary isn't always cowardice.
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deaniac21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 05:39 PM
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168. LOL
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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 03:19 PM
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110. And get arrested? (nt)
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 04:27 PM
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140. I doubt that somebody who stepped in to protect this woman would have gotten arrested
There are generally laws in place to protect people from arrest and/or civil liability in cases like this.
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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 01:40 PM
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249. Generally defense is only permited for yourself, your family and your property.

This is to discourage vigilantism.

Of course, a law enforcement officer can employ his discretion to not arrest the good samaritan. But the LEOs I know have the policy, "arrest 'em all; let the courts sort it out."

The prosecutor may also drop charges. But you will have already spent a few hours in jail, and have to suffer through a big hassle.

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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 01:03 PM
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36. The lack of local action on this sort of thing is precisely the reason for federal hate crimes law.
I hope this person is prosecuted for a hate crime. This is beyond the bounds of human decency.
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 01:06 PM
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37. Sweet baby Jesus, what the bloody fuck is going on?!!! Isn't this a hate crime?
These people are dangerously unhinged.

Shocking, horrible and should never EVER have happened, never.

"He was charged with battery, disorderly conduct and cruelty to children." Why can't this be called a fucking hate crime?? That's what it is!

I don't know why but I have a feeling this turd will not serve the time that this crime is really worth.




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morillon Donating Member (809 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 01:24 PM
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44. I think he'll do time for the state crime as well as the federal.
It sounds like they have a lot of witnesses and video evidence, too.
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 01:45 PM
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47. I hope so. Very ugly situation here. nt
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jeffbr Donating Member (377 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 01:06 PM
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38. True White Trash
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 01:07 PM
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39. White guy beats black lady, black kids beat white kid on the bus.
I've never understood hate crimes. What's wrong with people this week?
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 01:09 PM
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41. And both races have lots and lots of guns, bullets and hate to go around.
Unless the race baiting gets under some kind of control, things will deteriorate to the point that it won't be safe to go out in public, black, white or brown.

:wtf:
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 01:53 PM
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52. They're saying the bus incident wasn't racially motivated

It was because of seating on the bus. Something a lot of us have gotten into fights over.
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Lilyeye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 03:45 PM
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124. Well the reaction to it is.
I was just reading an article about the bus beating and of course idiots were using every black racial slur they could think of in the comment section. All of this stuff is just sad to me.
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SemperEadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 01:23 PM
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43. don't the feds enter into this, since she is an Army reservist?
I think attacking US service personnel is a federal offense.
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bigworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 01:48 PM
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49. I don't think it is.
But I'm sure with this temper, this fella has some priors. Hope they make an example out of him.
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euphoria12leo Donating Member (511 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 02:58 PM
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98. Beyond having a temper
I think it's a Federal Crime. I worked for the Federal Government and I had a stalker ex-boyfriend. Security walked me
to my car, started the car for me and waited till I drove off. I was told if he did anything to me on Federal property
it was a federal crime. I was on federal property and considered federal property. She is a service member, I was not.
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 01:51 PM
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50. Did say the FBI is investigating as a hate crime
Should be enough with the racist filth trash talk he was spouting as he beat her in front on several witnesses to charge him.
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npk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 07:47 PM
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192. Only active duty full time personnel.
This lady is a reservist. So it would not automatically fall under federal authority. without the attached hate crime status.
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get the red out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 01:39 PM
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45. He looks like he should have been at a teabagging
He just has that teabagger look.

And if that's 47, I feel a hell of a lot better looking in the mirror at my 45.
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morillon Donating Member (809 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 02:07 PM
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55. Srsly!
My 47-year-old husband's face looks like a toddler's compared to that guy's.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 05:12 PM
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160. He's an extension of the Teabagger movement. Ignorant, nasty racists.
:puke:
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kwassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 01:45 PM
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46. so they have crackers at Cracker Barrell?
who woulda thunk.

:shrug:

(I hope they send his sorry ass to jail for a long, long time.)
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HopeHoops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 01:57 PM
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53. I'm sure this will be the LEAD story on FOX today.
They'll send Geraldo to Aruba to do live 24x7 coverage.
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 02:39 PM
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84. Nice to know that he's out on bail, walking around like a peacock for what he did..
will probably have a couple cases of beer as he and his pals sit around a burning cross bondfire celebrating all the RW talk show offers.

He's a racist pig.
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bora13 Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 02:01 PM
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54. Federal Crime if she was on duty
This jackass needs to goto jail forever...
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 02:09 PM
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56. It's ok. I'm certain this has nothing to do with race. We should wait for all the facts to come in.
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get the red out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 02:16 PM
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62. Not race at all!!!
No woman should ever presume to speak to a MAN like that. He's probably a fine "Christian Man" that works hard for a living. Women and children need to know their place around the men-folk. :sarcasm:

I think the guy's a jackass coming and going, but 10 to 1 he wouldn't have attacked a black or white man that could have been a match for him the way he attacked a woman with a child, and he felt "justified" because of her race. Cowardly bastard.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 02:27 PM
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77. Exactly! Yelling "n****r!" during a violent crime is race nuetral. nt
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 02:33 PM
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78. Hush. I'm fondly remembering DUers saying Kramer (Seinfeld) wasn't racist.
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 02:35 PM
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81. And yelling b**** is gender neutral. Sounds like he has more
than racial problems.
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 02:10 PM
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57. Had I been standing there...
...West would have been lucky to crawl away from that Cracker Barrel.

I like to think of myself as non-violent, but peace can only exist within the framework of freedom and dignity. This soulless fuck robbed his victim of both. To me, that means he's fair game until the cops arrive.
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StopTheNeoCons Donating Member (608 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 05:42 PM
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169. Right on to that, he would be a BLOODY MESS after I got though with him..nt
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 02:10 PM
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58. Limbaugh and the Legion of Liars will spin him into a Real American Hero (tm)
He and Joe the Plumber will tour Real America (tm) in a Greyhound Bus caravan, rallying the troops to commit acts of heinous violence based on a non-stop river of lies and distortions.

:sarcasm:
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 02:11 PM
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59. New hero of the teabaggers?
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 02:18 PM
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65. new spokesman for Cracker Barrel?
maybe not.
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DrZeeLit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 02:12 PM
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60. And Roosh Limbdick will say... "Obama made him do it. It's Obama's fault." Yep... wait for it.
All thoughts of love and peace to the woman who serves our nation and her daughter.
She deserves better and I hope she will receive great care and love from the nation.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 02:17 PM
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63. Good lord, some of these rednecks are losing control. nt
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guitar man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 02:21 PM
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70. fucking coward
That's what he is, a fucking coward, beating a woman like that. I wonder if I went down there and got locked up for the night if I could request him as a cell mate. I'd beat his ass senseless :grr:
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man4allcats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 02:22 PM
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71. There's nothing wrong with this guy that a .45 round
between the eyes wouldn't fix.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 02:52 PM
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90. Works for me.
I don't consider racist redneck scum like this to be fully human.
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nookiemonster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 10:51 PM
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218. Fuck that. .45 ammo is too damn expensive!
I'd rather just cut the fucker.

Love ya all!!

:)
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AngryOldDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 02:23 PM
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73. Nope. Racism isn't an issue in this country. Nope.
What the hell is it going to take? Someone getting killed?

This is just fucking pathological anymore.

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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 02:26 PM
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75. He posted his telephone # asking for interviews!
Hey, you fucking evolutionary U-turn, you can tell your story to the judge.
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Pab Sungenis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 02:34 PM
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79. Related story: Water may be wet.
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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 02:35 PM
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82. but, But, BUT "my son would never hurt a mother"
His mother, in a brief phone interview, said her son would never hurt a mother.

``This just doesn't sound right,'' said Johnny West from her Poulan home. ``He's married and has three children, a son-in-law and a grandson.''



Morrow police spokesman Capt. James Callaway said the case has been turned over to the Clayton County district attorney and the Federal Bureau of Investigation.




At least the FBI is in on the investigation. And as for Mommy Dearest taking up for her abusive son I guess when she sees the video she'll still be in denial. He's out on bail perhaps her Army brothers should seek him out and have a teachable moment with the racist asshole.





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Mad_Dem_X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 02:38 PM
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83. My God --
Edited on Wed Sep-16-09 02:38 PM by Mad_Dem_X
The sheer evil that exists within some people continues to amaze and horrify me.
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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 02:41 PM
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85. He will look gooood with a shaved head. Off to jail with you!
I hope the tape is clear so that this man is sent up the river for a long time. What a man, taking it up with the women and children. I hope this young woman recovers quickly and is surrounded by people who support her. Energy and love sent out to this mother and daughter.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 02:45 PM
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86. Crackle Barrel Restaurants
are owned by very conservative assholes. Don't go there.
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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 03:08 PM
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105. Isn't Cracker Barrel
one of Glenn Beck's corporate sponsors?
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 10:07 PM
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209. I wouldn't doubt it.
Don't go there....their food sucks anyway.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 03:21 PM
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112. Cracker Barrel has paid out millions over discrimination charges
over the years. They now have non-discrimination policy signs visible where you enter the place. Still, the few times I've been in a Cracker Barrel with relatives, I have seen few to no people who were not obvious caucasians in the place.

A sign doesn't change the minds of those who own and work in the Cracker Barrels. Not one bit.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 02:45 PM
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256. Everyone should be aware of this --
but despite all the publicity over Denny's racist practices, I see they're

still in business!! Hard to understand.

And presume that they look to hire people who are racist.

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 10:22 PM
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215. Right . . .
Seems strange that African-Americans are going there or people with bi-racial

relatives . . .

Presume people go because it is reasonably priced?

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DirtyDawg Donating Member (594 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 02:48 PM
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87. Welcome to Georgia...
...Jimmy Carter observes that there's plenty of racism still around and he's vilified by locals here...a black, female army reservist is beaten by a guy twice her size - called every name in the racist's handbook (with nobody intervening), and somebody posts on the local AJC Vent page that 'she probably was 'rude'in her comments which prompted his reaction' - and the paper published it. Hell, they might as well have said, 'that's what she gets for being 'uppity'.' This is Georgia in the year 2009...home of Martin Luther King, Jr...bigoted, greedy, hate-filled.

The only difference in the racism of 40 or 50 years ago is that back then whites openly espoused it, hell, they were even proud of it...today they deny it exists - same behavior, they just 'play the 'denial' card' and figure nobody'll do anything about it.
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 02:50 PM
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88. there has to be another explanation besides racism...that gets tossed around too much
:sarcasm:
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Rainngirl Donating Member (86 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 02:54 PM
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92. Ignorant
and fearful (surely perpetuated by glenn beck, limpbaugh and michael weiner) is the scariest combination, because it turns into angry and hateful, and then, in the extra unstable ones, crazy and dangerous. A normal person would have just said "I'm so sorry, ma'am" and gone about his business. Unfuckingbelievable.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 02:54 PM
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93. This is what Republicons consider a real man
and what everyone else considers a low-life scumbucket, hate-filled coward Homelander jerk.
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 02:55 PM
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94. Anyone else notice this fuckbubble's uncanny
resemblance to a certain hateful Hollywooder known as Mel Gibson? Kinda like a white trash version of Mel Gibson. Hmmmm........
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 03:00 PM
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99. He belongs in a secure facility for dangerous criminals.
In front of her child, no less. If I were the woman Ginger, I would be looking over my shoulder, the cretin has bonded out of jail. I would bet my life savings that this man beats his wife on a regular basis.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 03:01 PM
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101. Think this is him?
http://www.manta.com/coms2/dnbcompany_cdx8qkq

Troy's Paint & Body & Auto (Troy Paint & Body And Auto Salvage*)
591 US Highway 82 NW
Poulan, GA 31781-3702
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 03:02 PM
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102. Hah! He gets a farm subsidy?
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 03:05 PM
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104. He has an illegal junk yard?
Edited on Wed Sep-16-09 03:08 PM by Stephanie
MINUTES WORTH COUNTY BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS August 21, 2008

Kenneth Giddens is questioning why Troy West who lives on West Road is operating a Junk Yard without Licenses and Permit. He wants the Board to explain in writing why this is being allowed in the County. Kenneth has presented a copy from the Georgia Secretary of State which shows an expiration date of 12/31/1997.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 03:40 PM
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120. big shocker, right? him, being a dirtbag? good job getting this stuff.
what a slimeball racist shit eating pig this coward is. he truly is a threat, along with the other, oh, two millionnnnnnnn just like him out there ready to blow up because they've been easily stoked by hatred rants by nutballers on TV & radio.
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 03:41 PM
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121. Adding my "Good job" too!
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 03:03 PM
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103. Looks darned close to me. Guess it needs confirmation eh? nt
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 03:42 PM
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122. Anon. block on this line. I will not give this cretin my phone number. nt
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Mopar151 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 02:41 PM
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255. He may have brain damage from VOC (fume) exposure
Not to excuse... But I've met some pretty erratic bodymen.....
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 03:21 PM
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113. Did anyone try to stop it? /nt
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TygrBright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 03:23 PM
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114. "May" be a hate crime? Oy. n/t
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Altoid_Cyclist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 03:28 PM
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117. How can Ms. Hill even begin to explain this B.S. to her daughter?
Edited on Wed Sep-16-09 03:29 PM by Altoid_Cyclist
I don't know if I could take the high road and tell her that there are ass****s in all races. Did you ever get so pissed off that you don't even know what to say? That's how I feel right now. Any "man" that hits a woman like that doesn't really deserve a trial. Like other people have said, throw him on whichever Base she's stationed at and let her and her squad handle it however they see fit.
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MidwestTransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 03:44 PM
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123. I guess the guy was in a bad mood after getting back from the DC Teabagging event. Maybe because
his man crush Glen Beck didn't show up in person.
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 03:48 PM
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125. He's out on a $5,000 bond?
That seems a painfully low bond considering the violence of the crime and that one of the charges is a felony. Hopefully they'll stick him with a hate crime, rearrest him and raise the bond substantially and he'll be out even more money to bail his ignorant racist ass out of jail. :mad:
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subcomhd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 04:00 PM
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129. I always confuse bail and bond.
Does this mean he had to come up with $500.00 plus another $4500.00 in collateral OR he had to cough up the $5000.00 and $50,000.00 is the total he forfeits if he flees?
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 04:15 PM
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134. It means that if he contacted a bail bonds company he's out for as little as $500
If he owned property, usually real property, with at least $5000 in equity, he could put that up in lieu of paying a bail bonds company. He could also have put the entire $5,000 up himself if he had the money to spare and he'd get most of it back, except a processing fee from the court, after he showed up for trial.
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subcomhd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 04:17 PM
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136. Then that is f'd up. Not nearly high enough. $50,000.00 would have made sense. nt
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Lilyeye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 03:59 PM
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128. What a piece of fucking shit.
A racist and a sexist in the same body....lower than low.
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jeff30997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 04:01 PM
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130. "he became upset because Hill spit on him"
It's a good thing that I can control the urge I feel to spit at my screen.



:grr:
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 06:44 PM
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181. And all the witnesses say she didn't spit on him
Everything I've read says she was polite and even after he started beating the crap out of her she was telling him she was military.
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jeff30997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 09:12 PM
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196. Of course ! That's what I also think.
Don't get me wrong,I only quoted that scumbag so I could say how I feel about him.
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Anakin Skywalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 12:15 AM
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224. Big Tough Men Like Him
actually don't like it that women are in the military. In their view, women should be at home preferably the kitchen part ready to fetch the menfolk beers.
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rove karl rove Donating Member (298 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 07:10 PM
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186. that him? what a loser N/T
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d_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 04:06 PM
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131. who the fuck stands around while a woman gets beat down by a man?`
seriously, who are these fucking people? I don't give a flyin' fuck how big Lynyrd Skynrd is...

Cowards at best, enablers at worst.
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 04:18 PM
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137. yep. i'd have gone all billy jack on this trash.
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beyurslf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 04:07 PM
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133. I hope he rots in prison and dies slowly and miserably.
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KyleA Donating Member (134 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 04:28 PM
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141. Joe Dirt lives
a prick face if I ever saw one
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windoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 04:24 PM
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138. This can't be happening.
Zero tolerance for hate crimes, this guy has to be made an example of, and this shit has to stop now.

It will get worse, if nothing is done about this. The silent majority of Americans has got to drown out racism, demand the harshest consequences for this man, and all hate crimes.

President Obama has been playing it too cool with the teabaggers, it should have been nipped in the bud long ago.

I am so sick to read this today.

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burning rain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 04:37 PM
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143. Fucking deranged.
There's an evil irony in a black woman having the hell beat out of her by a white roughneck at a Cracker Barrel. Sure hope she fully recovers--being punched and kicked (!) in the head is no joke, particularly for a woman being beaten by a 250-lb. bruiser. More than clear West's a racist, what with all those foul slurs reported by different bystanders at the restaurant. Plus, intuitively, it takes a heavy-duty sort of hatefulness to allow a full-grown man to wantonly attack a woman with her child--just out of sheer needless hostility.

Sadly, your hunch about Drudge (and other righty sites for that matter) is reasonable. White-on-black hate crimes no more "fit" their ideology, than black-on-white hate crimes "fit" the dominant ideology of liberal sites. Unfortunately it seems that lots of people who frequent political sites care little about people as individuals, or victims of brutal crimes for that matter, just their own simplistic ideologies and narratives of one race the oppressor/thug, another race the innocent victim.
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 04:40 PM
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144. What FBI says
On Wednesday, the Atlanta office of the FBI confirmed they have launched a "preliminary" investigation, at the request of Morrow Police.

"The information gathered during the FBI's investigation will be reviewed jointly by the U.S. attorney's office in the northern district of Georgia and the U.S. Department of Justice Civil Rights Division in D.C.," FBI spokesman Stephen Emmett said.
West, of Poulan, was arrested last Wednesday on charges of cruelty to children, battery and disorderly conduct.


West is scheduled to appear in court on September 28th for a preliminary hearing.



Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/16/troy-dale-west...
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burning rain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 04:51 PM
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152. I trust they'll dig deep for West's motives.
Whether he's known to be bitter over the election of a black president, is worth looking into. It wouldn't please the conservatives with their preferred narrative of white victimhood, but I couldn't care less about their precious feelings. A backlash of hate crimes committed by whites against blacks (especially) is something to be on guard for--these days especially.
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Butch350 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 04:43 PM
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146. Speechless.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 04:44 PM
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147. I wonder if the black person had been a 6'2" 250 pounder would
West have been so quick to attack? My guess is that he would have been a bit more careful.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 04:58 PM
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155. Depends. If he's a seasoned bar brawler, probably not.
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GrantDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 05:01 PM
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156. I am glad that people stepped up to provide witness statements
If this town is as people describe it would not be surprising to find a lot of people that "didn't see anything".
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grandpamike1 Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 05:03 PM
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157. Cracker Barrel
Gee a surprise, another large, southern, white cracker in a Cracker Barrel beating on a black American servicewoman, how patriotic. Oh I forgot, thats how they treat the "No so American Americans in the south".
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happygoluckytoyou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 05:04 PM
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158. awaken BUBBA..... tell him his new cell-pal is ready ! ! !
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Thickasabrick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 05:08 PM
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159. Some of these posts are really scary. Many are hoping he gets the
shit beat out of him before trial, many are hoping he gets stuck in prison with a "big angry black cellmate" (racist much?) who beats the shit out of him.

The reason he was arrested was because he acted violently against another human being and all I'm hearing from many of these posts is that more violence should be visited back upon him.

What is this place.....the old testament??

We do have courts and laws to deal with this type of crime. I saw the interview with this woman and I don't think she wants this man visited with more violence - she wants justice and him to serve his time.

Some of these posts make me think I accidentally landed at Free Republic.

end of rant/
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BJ10 Donating Member (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 05:32 PM
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165. "What is this place.....the old testament??"
I liked that statement, violence is thick in the air no doubt.
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 11:35 PM
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222. I feel the same way every time I read someone post that teabaggers are "sore losers."
I have a flashback to W's first inauguration: I was protesting in DC and there were so many fat cats in expensive suits and cowboy boots and hats with trophy wives on their arms, dripping in jewels and mink coats, taunting us protesters with "Sore Loserman!" I don't like thinking that the Left only wanted change so we could become the oppressors when we regained power, that's not what I've been fighting for all these years. That type of aggressive, regressive (certainly not progressive) language reminds me FR, and it's killing me seeing it so much on DU these days.

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gauguin57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 05:28 PM
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163. His picture can go up next to Joe Wilson's on the Klan's Wall of Fame.
f****** cracker.
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ScottLand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 05:35 PM
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166. I'm sure the Right would say that wasn't
racially motivated either. What a pathetic man.
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JohnWxy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 05:37 PM
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167. Jesus. This guy's out of his mind. ..well, assuming he has a mind.
Edited on Wed Sep-16-09 05:39 PM by JohnWxy
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 05:42 PM
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170. Support Our Troops
...the white ones anyway.
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 06:11 PM
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171. Now Now...don't play the race card!
He didn't string her up and wasn't wearing a white sheet and there was no burning cross, so you don't know if he's a racist. This kind of accusation just hurts our cause.












:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 06:26 PM
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174. The Cracker Barrel's manager told police he stepped between West and Hill to stop the alleged assaul
Edited on Wed Sep-16-09 06:27 PM by RamboLiberal
The Cracker Barrel's manager told police he stepped between West and Hill to stop the alleged assault.

Cracker Barrel spokeswoman Julie Davis said Wednesday that the restaurant was cooperating fully in the police investigation.

"It's just terrible when something like this happens anywhere, let alone in one of our stores," Davis said. "It's worth noting that Cracker Barrel employees did their best to assist Hill as soon as they became aware of the situation."

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/09/16/cracker.barrel.beat...
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MidwestTransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 07:01 PM
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184. NOTE HOW MUCH THE CNN STORY LEAVES OUT VS THE OP
No mention that nobody cooberated the guys spitting claim and also left out the N***** Bitch stuff he yelled while assaulting her.
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sonias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 06:29 PM
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175. Glen Beck & Rush Limbaugh have be proud of this one
They has elevated the level of racism in the country for loony bird racists to come out of their closet.

I hope that Tawshawnea Hill and her daughter get the justice they deserve. I am so sorry for her family to have been beaten by this piece of scum.

Sonia
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 06:32 PM
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176. The good ol boys at it again. Me thinks Faux news is driving these folks nuts.
Edited on Wed Sep-16-09 06:33 PM by IsItJustMe
On Edit: Would not doubt if you have some people on here defending this sick basterd saying it was not racial at all.


Yee Haw
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 10:21 PM
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214. I agree with you and, of course, GOP/right wing behind this in many ways . . .
in their attempts to create a violent America --

Been going on for decades now!

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geckosfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 06:40 PM
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179. In South Carolina he' be senate material.
Edited on Wed Sep-16-09 06:45 PM by geckosfeet
on edit - sorry about the SC snark. There seems little doubt that this attack was racially motivated.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 06:46 PM
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182. Maybe Fox News can hire him. nt
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 06:48 PM
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183. the conservative talk show hosts are catering to this type of person
and making it seem OK to do these sort of things.
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 07:04 PM
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185. He looks like a typical piece of white trash to me. They are everywhere
in the good old boy network of the good old USA. Beat women and children...that's their style.
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thelordofhell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 07:19 PM
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188. I wonder what his Freeper handle is?
This piece of crap needs some jail time so he can figure out that Cracker Barrel is the name of the restaurant, not a suggestion.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 07:23 PM
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 07:24 PM
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190. So Jane Goodall lives with apes for 45 years with only one violent incident...
...and this asshole becomes an instant monster after two seconds. Doesn't say much for our species.
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AsahinaKimi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 07:42 PM
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191. Bet you Limbaugh will NOT mention this incident ...
It doesn't exisit in Limbaugh's America...
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d_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 09:26 PM
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198. I'm sure he'll say
"In Obama's America, a white man can now beat the shit out of a black woman, in front of her child, while white onlookers do nothing"

:rofl:
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AsahinaKimi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 07:33 PM
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263. really?
I kind of doubt it..
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ShrimpScampi Donating Member (42 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:09 PM
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193. Disgusting.
And so it begins, in Everytown, Everystreet, a new wave of hate/racially motivated crimes. It will spill over everywhere. That poor woman and that child being traumatized. What an evil, evil man.
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JaneLovesAll Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:55 PM
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195. No doubt
Ginger Ellis says she is convinced the attack was racially motivated because he used the N word and the way he kept kicking her and he kept hitting her. You could see the evilness on his face.

It really leaves no doubt that this was a racially motivated hate crime. Will this ever end?
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SlingBlade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 09:24 PM
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197. Yep, Hate filled lunatic
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 09:28 PM
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199. There are no words!
:grr:
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me4change Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 09:36 PM
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200. Throw the book at him
This is a bad story.
Take a look at the picture of the slime ball.
If that is his booking picture it shows savage hostility.
You are looking at a white savage, and a real racist.

I hope that they throw the book at this piece of *expletive deleted*.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 09:48 PM
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202. They don't call it the Cracker Barrel for nothing.
Ba-dum-bump!
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 09:54 PM
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203. This is the result of decades of GOP attempts to encourage racist hatred and racist violence ---
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Michael Facente Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 10:00 PM
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205. Just curious....
but why is this a hate crime but when the black kids beat up the white kids on the school bus its not? Last I heard, it was not being treated as a hate crime.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/nation/1771717,teen-bus-at...

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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 10:12 PM
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212. The FBI is still investigating whether it was a hate crime or not.
In the other case, authorities decided it was not a hate crime for whatever reason.

Nice first post, BTW. You're off to a great start. :)
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MidwestTransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 02:38 AM
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231. Maybe because it wasn't motivated by racism? Any evidence that it was?
Now calling somebody N***r Bitch while you beat them is a pretty clear indication.

http://www.cbsatlanta.com/news/20931542/detail.html
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Venti Mocha Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 08:49 AM
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237. So what your telling me.....
.....is that if I beat the crap of someone who is not of the same skin color as me AND I keep my mouth shut while I am doing, it is not a racist beating or hate crime???????

Yeh, that makes alot of sense.
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MidwestTransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 11:00 AM
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240. So what you are telling me is you are a racist because the only explanation for
Edited on Thu Sep-17-09 11:17 AM by MidwestTransplant
an altercation a person could get in with another person of a different race is because of that person's color? It comes down to motivation. That's precisely why people have problems with hate crimes legislation. You won't be here long, that's for sure. Strong logic you have.

With regard to the St. Louis thing, notice too in that video the white kids on the bus cheering as well.
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 02:28 PM
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253. Intent is part and parcel of the determination...
Intent is part and parcel of the determination in whether a crime is motivated on race/hate or not.

And that very same intent is part and parcel of any investigation.

So yes-- it does make a lot of sense.
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Tim01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 10:01 PM
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206. I wish they could send him to a military prison.
I hope his name and address is widely circulated.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 10:08 PM
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210. Do we have to be opposed to the death penalty? This subhuman fuck earned it.
Seriously. The should bring back public hangings for hateful rednecks like this piece of shit...
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 07:00 AM
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235. The guy is a subhuman jerk...but he didn't actually KILL anybody
so there's no way you could give him the death penalty. Even in Jeb Bush's Florida.
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scarface2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 10:26 PM
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216. in rush limbaw's amerika redneck cretins freak out...
and beat up anybody who is not also a redneck cretin!!!
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Bette Noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 12:56 AM
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225. Support our troops.
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 01:02 AM
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226. Battery ? .... that's it ?
Fuck that: Even without the hate motive, this fucker is guilty of felonious assault ....
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daleanime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 03:55 AM
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232. "May" be a hate crime?
:mad:
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 06:02 AM
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233. For the record let me point out
Edited on Thu Sep-17-09 06:03 AM by Ken Burch
that the MAJORITY of Southern white guys who still wear mullets haven't beaten up any black women this week.

:sarcasm: :eyes:

(...At least that I know of..)
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kegler14 Donating Member (541 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 08:25 AM
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236. Freepers apparently haven't posted this. If it had been a black guy
beating a white woman it would have been all over their site.
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dugaresa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 09:37 AM
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238. Is the victim okay?
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 11:17 AM
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244. Yes the victim is ok - she's of course quite bruised
I feel for her. Who I especially feel for is her young daughter. I read one story that said she was feeling guilty cause she wanted to go to Cracker Barrel. What a trauma to see your mom beaten in front of you
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dugaresa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 03:26 PM
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258. i am glad the mother is okay, but that poor little girl is going to be very
frightened for a long time and that is just so sad.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 10:15 AM
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239. There are posters defending this asshole!
And yeah, it's racism and gender bigotry on parade. I wrote this:

"The state has no reason to release the tape and would risk poisoning the jury pool if it did.

"A lot of the pro-crime posts here are assuming that the victim had some duty of respect for the defendant and imply that she did not know her 'place' as a Black female. For the record, not only does the victim not owe defendant any special respect, this act of violence demonstrates that he is worthy of disrespect and contempt. Frankly only the defendant claims the spit thing and it would not justify the assault if she actually had spit at him.

"Bottom line: a man without provocation or justification beat up a woman in the presence of her young daughter. His own words during the crime makes it clear that it was motivated by racial and gender bigotry. My guess is that this is not a first for him. If you think there is any way that his actions were justified, you really need to look in the mirror and examine your own values."
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JustAnotherGen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 03:02 PM
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257. Deep13
Love your thoughts on this incident/crime - as well as your assessment of what we are seeing here at DU.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 04:55 PM
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261. Thanks...
... I actually meant that posters on the website link noted in the OP are defending the assailant, some in overtly racist and gender bigoted terms.
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 11:11 AM
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241. Umm.. how in the hell did this guy get more than one punch in? No one helped her???
This is disgusting. I'm so tired of angry white men like this. And I'm more disturbed that so many witnesses can tell you exactly what he was doing, but they didn't pull the guy away from her... Yeah, call 911, the standard response to crime now. Stand back and dial a phone while the woman is on the ground getting kicked. I would have been right there in the middle of it, hitting over the head with a chair. That poor woman.
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 11:20 AM
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246. Not everyone is physically capable of pulling a 250 lb
Edited on Thu Sep-17-09 11:20 AM by RamboLiberal
raging ahole off a victim. Witnesses may be afraid of getting beaten themselves. And attacker can get in several blows very quickly. One story did say the manager did step in. Don't know how long it took.
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LiberalTexasDemocrat Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 11:13 AM
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243. Maybe President Carter is on to something
Maybe the election of a man born of an interracial union has brought the hatred to the surface.
Almost without exception I've repeatedly read that Democrats, Liberals, and Progressives rely on only one thing, playing the dreaded "race card".
Excuse me. If that's the way the deck is stacked, and that's the card I'm dealt, that's the card I play.
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 02:17 PM
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251. No one ever said it is right
and btw in the school bus incident the local NAACP is stepping up.

The Rev. Johnny Scott, president of the NAACP's East St. Louis chapter, attended the meeting and said his group looks forward to working with the schools on race relations.

"We don't condone whether it's black on white or white on black. It's not a white and black thing with us, it's a right and wrong thing," Scott said.

Scott said the victim should be praised for his actions.

"You're not going to school to fight, you're going to school to learn. You report that to the authorities and you do not attack back," Scott said. "That little person needs to be commended for the heroic effort that he displayed of saying that 'I'm going to take it and I'm not going to perpetuate things'... That was special and we don't get that every day."

Scott also praised 16-year-old Steve Raines for intervening.

"Tell these kids that you acted honorably and appropriately and that will send a message," he said.


http://www.bnd.com/homepage/story/926746.html

Meanwhile Limbaugh wants to go back to Jim Crow days and segregating school busses. What a wonderful solution! :sarcasm: Funny, but I bet he didn't mention this Cracker Barrel story nor have I seen it on Drudge though it has gone nationwide and was the headline story on CNN's website yesterday.
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 02:32 PM
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254. Oh look - Hofstra victim lied
What is she related to Miss Backwards B?

Hofstra Rape: Student Lied About Incident: District Attorney

HEMPSTEAD, N.Y. (AP) -- Authorities in New York say the Hofstra University student who told police that she had been gang-raped by five men on campus has recanted her story.

Nassau County District Attorney Kathleen Rice said in a statement released late Wednesday that the 18-year-old told law enforcement officials that the sex was consensual.

Rice says Nassau County Judge Robert Bruno then dismissed the charges against four of the men and ordered their release.

The woman had accused the men, including a Hofstra student, of taking her cell phone at an on-campus nightclub and luring her into a dormitory men's room and sexually assaulting her early Sunday.

Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/16/hofstra-rape-s...

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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 03:33 PM
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259. This is sick. She's on CNN--said a whole bunch of whites were standing
around watching, some even smiling. This is outrageous. Looks like Beck/Limbaugh are quickly reaching their goal of stirring more racial hate.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 03:56 PM
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260. Rumor has it that she provoked him with disparaging comments about his mullet
:sarcasm:
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