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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 10:34 AM
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Baucus Health Bill Has No Public Option
Source: WSJ

WASHINGTON -- Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus formally unveiled a 10-year $856 billion bill that would extend health insurance to tens of millions of Americans not now covered, moving an important step forward on President Barack Obama's top domestic priority.

The sweeping measure is designed to steer a more moderate course on health policy than other major bills moving through Capitol Hill, and it doesn't propose to create a new government insurance plan to compete with private insurers, as proposed in rival House legislation and favored by many liberals. Instead, the Montana Democrat is proposing to expand coverage by creating a network of nonprofit health-insurance cooperatives. The cooperatives would be seeded with $6 billion in federal money, enough to cover start-up costs and meet insurance solvency requirements.

More than a year in the making, the bill would overhaul the nation's health-care system and has sparked a sharp battle between Republican leaders and the White House over the size and role of government in the nation's economy. (Read the full text of the Baucus plan.)

The bill was swiftly denounced by Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, who complained it would cut Medicare, which provides insurance to the elderly, and impose new tax burdens on families and small businesses....

Read more: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125310546537515699.html...



Wow, hard to get it more wrong.
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 10:35 AM
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1. Deserves to fail, just like Baucus should during the next primary.
n/t
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 10:40 AM
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7. +1 are there any pro-public option Dems to run against this a-hole?
Edited on Wed Sep-16-09 10:41 AM by wordpix
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...

snip: "As his committee has taken center stage in the battle over health-care reform, Chairman Baucus (D-Mont.) has emerged as a leading recipient of Senate campaign contributions from the hospitals, insurers and other medical interest groups hoping to shape the legislation to their advantage. Health-related companies and their employees gave Baucus's political committees nearly $1.5 million in 2007 and 2008, when he began holding hearings and making preparations for this year's reform debate." snip

"The sector gave nearly $170 million to federal lawmakers in 2007 and 2008, with 54 percent going to Democrats, according to data compiled by the Center for Responsive Politics, which tracks money in politics. The shift in parties was even more pronounced during the first three months of this year, when Democrats collected 60 percent of the $5.4 million donated by health-care companies and their employees, the data show." snip

"But Baucus, a senator from a sparsely populated and conservative Western state who is serving his sixth term, stands out for the rising tide of health-care contributions to his campaign committee, Friends of Max Baucus, and his political-action committee, Glacier PAC. Baucus collected $3 million from the health and insurance sectors from 2003 to 2008, about 20 percent of the total, data show. Less than 10 percent of the money came from Montana." snip more....
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 10:48 AM
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9. He was just reelected last year. He is not up for reelection until 2014.
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 10:54 AM
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10. too bad---however, any pro-public option contender should start now to unseat Sen. Fauck-us
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FVZA_Colonel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 10:36 AM
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2. I love how the "public option" is now something only the far-left would support,
rather than the compromise measure it was first proposed as.
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 10:56 AM
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11. Yes. And only "radicals" support a single payer plan.
:sarcasm: :rofl: :rofl:
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 10:37 AM
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3. And still has no Republican support. Let's drive that point home. n/t
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 11:31 AM
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16. Right get this to the media the (re)Publicans will not even support Baucus' BS plan
Edited on Wed Sep-16-09 11:32 AM by Vincardog
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FVZA_Colonel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 01:25 PM
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38. I cannot believe that people capable of getting elected to the US Congress or the Executive Branch
are dumb enough not to see this. I know you don't have to be a genius to have success in US politics, but seriously, how can they not see that the Republicans want to water down the bill as much as possible so that they can vote against it and win both ways?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 10:38 AM
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4. How is that extending health care to anyone?
Flunk on the administration for allowing this idiot go run roughshod over this process.
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 10:38 AM
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5. yawn, considering Baucus' campaign contributions of $3 million in '03-'08 from health care lobby
Edited on Wed Sep-16-09 10:42 AM by wordpix
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...

snip: "As his committee has taken center stage in the battle over health-care reform, Chairman Baucus (D-Mont.) has emerged as a leading recipient of Senate campaign contributions from the hospitals, insurers and other medical interest groups hoping to shape the legislation to their advantage. Health-related companies and their employees gave Baucus's political committees nearly $1.5 million in 2007 and 2008, when he began holding hearings and making preparations for this year's reform debate." snip

"The sector gave nearly $170 million to federal lawmakers in 2007 and 2008, with 54 percent going to Democrats, according to data compiled by the Center for Responsive Politics, which tracks money in politics. The shift in parties was even more pronounced during the first three months of this year, when Democrats collected 60 percent of the $5.4 million donated by health-care companies and their employees, the data show." snip

"But Baucus, a senator from a sparsely populated and conservative Western state who is serving his sixth term, stands out for the rising tide of health-care contributions to his campaign committee, Friends of Max Baucus, and his political-action committee, Glacier PAC. Baucus collected $3 million from the health and insurance sectors from 2003 to 2008, about 20 percent of the total, data show. Less than 10 percent of the money came from Montana." snip more....
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...
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endless october Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 10:40 AM
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unacceptable. n/t
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ihelpu2see Donating Member (935 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 11:00 AM
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14. ditto n/t
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vduhr Donating Member (481 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 10:40 AM
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6. No public option ...
Edited on Wed Sep-16-09 10:42 AM by vduhr
and includes penalties for people who don't purchase insurance?!!!! WTF! Is this the a different, democrat's compromised version of the HR 3200, or is the REAL HR 3200 with public option still in play? I'm confused.
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Faryn Balyncd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 10:46 AM
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8. The Baucus PSEUDO-"REFORM" is more dangerous to the cause of reform than 1000 GOP demagogues.
Edited on Wed Sep-16-09 10:50 AM by Faryn Balyncd


Baucus's bill is CORPORATE WELFARE at its worst (dressed up in the false rhetoric of "reform").

This is far worse that the giveaway to Big Pharma - - the Medicare Rx Drug fiasco that resulted in the unprecented inflation in drug prices over the last few years - - that the Bush GOP would never have gotten passed without Baucus's "leadership'.







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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 10:58 AM
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12. Let the battle begin!
In this video, Bullet Head is the Baucus bill, and the bare-chested guy is the public option:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=po77bJk1DdI
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dmosh42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 10:59 AM
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13. This is "the whore's bill", paid for through the bribes from the insurance rackets! n/t
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 01:12 PM
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36. exactly. nt
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JimWis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 11:20 AM
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15. I hear that in addition to not having a public option, his bill has
a crap load of other bad provisions also, like less restrictions on insurance companies setting premiums based on age, etc. Much worse than all the other bills out there. The whole bill is useless.
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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 11:40 AM
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17. one wasted year in the making
What a failure.
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 11:42 AM
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18. I see a veto in this bills future..nt
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Steerpike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 11:43 AM
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19. well this sucks
And what is the mechanism that will control costs and the out of control increases in premiums and health care costs?
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hadrons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:10 PM
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20. Mitch McConnell, who complained it would cut Medicare ... and impose new tax burdens on families and
small businesses....

Yes, a bill so bad that Mitch McConnell is the defender of Medicare, families, and small business.

Baucus' bill is crap and I suspect he knows as much, but it won't be the final bill ... however it will help the insurance companies since it will help drive the final bill as rightward as possible.
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:52 PM
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21. All the more reason not to settle for this
If Repukes won't even compromise on this, they won't, period.
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 01:01 PM
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22. Will this make it out of committee?
It's a terrible bill with no republican support.

Will other Dems on the finance committee go along with this? If the Senate bill is anything like this, we're fucked. Granted, it still has to get negotiated with the HELP committee right? Even as a starting point to compromise with the House bill, it's just BAD.

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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 01:08 PM
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23. Baucus Unveils $856 Billion Health-Care Legislation
Source: WSJ

Bill Has No Public Option, Would Require People to Purchase Coverage

WASHINGTON -- Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus formally unveiled a 10-year, $856 billion bill that would extend health insurance to tens of millions of Americans not now covered, moving an important step forward on President Barack Obama's top domestic priority.

"This is a good bill. This is a balanced bill. It can pass the Senate," Mr. Baucus said at an afternoon news conference at which he provided details on the plan.

The sweeping measure is designed to steer a more moderate course on health policy than other major bills moving through Capitol Hill, and it doesn't propose to create a new government insurance plan to compete with private insurers, as proposed in rival House legislation and favored by many liberal lawmakers. Instead, the Montana Democrat is proposing to expand coverage by creating a network of nonprofit health-insurance cooperatives. The cooperatives would be seeded with $6 billion in federal money, enough to cover start-up costs and meet insurance solvency requirements.


Read more: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125310546537515699.html
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 01:08 PM
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24. He should "re-veil" it, right up his ass.
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mac56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 01:08 PM
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25. Okay, then, let's get Baucus's nonsense out of the way
and get on with a REAL bill with a public option.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 01:08 PM
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26. .....

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tomm2thumbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 01:08 PM
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27. this will be tied up in courts and submerged until it stops thrashing

the GOP is going to have a field day on it and frankly there are tons of disgruntled Democrats who see that their party has sold out to insurance companies that will join in with them.

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Jkid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 01:08 PM
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28. What is this?
No public health insurance option?
No real cost controls?
Private insurance only?

Final Destination?

Seriously, Kill this bill.
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 01:14 PM
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37. i agree. nt
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Mr. Sparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 01:08 PM
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29. I dont think anyone is going to take that bill seriously, bar some of the talking heads.
It is basically a corporate giveaway.
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SandWalker1984 Donating Member (533 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 01:08 PM
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30. Amazing: he can call it reform with a straight face
This gang of 6 calls the biggest gift to health care corporations in history reform?

Their "reform" contains:

No mention of regulations or antitrust for the insurance industry that created the current crisis.

No punishment for creating a health care crisis because of their greed in denying coverage, denying care and kicking people out that may cost them too much profit to treat.

Let's just reward them by giving them millions of new victims.

Oh, and let's make sure the victims have no avenue of escape.


If this is reform, then let's just say NO and try again later.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 01:08 PM
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33. The gang of six is entirely from low population states. HOW DARE THEY.
How dare those insufferable pigs make legislation for the millions they don't even attempt to represent? Not one senator from California? New York? Illinois? Florida? Massachusetts?

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Iowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 01:08 PM
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31. Now we can finally dump the Baucus Republican plan and start working on real health care reform.
Edited on Wed Sep-16-09 01:03 PM by Iowa
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mbperrin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 01:08 PM
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35. Single payer universal, please. And can we quit "incrementalizing"
with the enemy? This kind of bill is what you'll get every time otherwise.
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 01:35 PM
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39. Yes, single payer can be our starting point, and we can build from there.
n/t
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tomm2thumbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 01:08 PM
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32. The Baucus Caucus wants to Faucus, once again
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 01:08 PM
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34. Okay, you made me laugh when I was really not in the mood.
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 01:59 PM
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40. "good bill...balanced bill"---reminds me of Faux Noise motto
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4_TN_TITANS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 03:36 PM
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41. And to beat it all....
They just said on NPR that he has no current Republican support for it, EVEN AMONG THE 3 REPUBS WHO HELPED DRAFT IT. Why the fuck try to pass that turd when we'll have just as much repub support trying to pass a single payer plan????
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 05:37 PM
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42. The Baucus bill has no raison d'etre.
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