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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 09:40 AM
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Customers call for Whole Foods boycott
Source: BBC



By Claire Prentice
BBC News, Washington


Russell Mokhiber leads picketers outside a Whole Foods store

It's the shop where wealthy American liberals buy their groceries.

But the American supermarket chain Whole Foods Market has found itself at the centre of a storm of controversy after its chief executive, John Mackey, wrote an op-ed piece in the Wall Street Journal presenting a free market alternative to President Obama's proposed healthcare reforms.

Mr Mackey began his article with a quote from Margaret Thatcher and went on to add that Americans do not have an intrinsic right to healthcare - an idea strongly at odds with the views of a large proportion of Whole Foods' customer base.

The company, which has 270 stores in North America and the UK, sells organic vegetables, biodegradable washing powder and sustainable seafood to a well-heeled clientele and champions its liberal credentials.

--snip--

Read more: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8216685.stm



It's getting traction.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 09:50 AM
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1. The story made it to the BBC. (NT)
NT
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earthlite Donating Member (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 10:48 AM
Response to Reply #1
15. Sorry but I like Whole Foods
The CEO was only offering an opinion and an alternative option. He didn't attack President Obama or the Democrats so this is one boycott I cant support. Glen Beck advertisers are another matter.
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Politicub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 10:57 AM
Response to Reply #15
17. Knock yourself out
But as for me, I'm finished with them.
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tomm2thumbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 09:05 PM
Response to Reply #17
96. finished here as well, but some people like to put money in the pockets of their detractors

guess that is good for America? (uh, yea, right) no more money into Whole Foods or any of their subsidiaries when their CEO is part of the problem, it all trickles down to the corporation

http://www.wholefoodsmarket.com/company/history.php

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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 09:55 AM
Response to Reply #96
230. F-ck Whole Foods until Mackey prints high-profile retractions. It USED to be my main grocer.
Edited on Mon Aug-24-09 09:57 AM by grahamhgreen
I'll shop at co-ops and farmers markets.

Why can't these people see a great corporation has to live on a two way street?
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marasinghe Donating Member (754 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 11:45 PM
Response to Reply #17
124. +1 in NYC (n/t)
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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 09:50 AM
Response to Reply #17
227. Yep...
Me, too. But this CEO's actions are just the icing on the cake. The last time I visited Whole Foods, I noticed that many of the items that I used to buy cheaply in bulk are now pre-packaged and much more expensive. I now understand that the almighty PROFIT is much more important to these people than healthy, affordable food.

Oh, and a private whinge: my favorite cookie there (the dried fruit and nut, with no added sugar) has been shrunk to less than half its original size, but still costs $1. No, thank you.

I haven't shopped there since.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 11:06 AM
Response to Reply #15
22. Boycotts are not about like or dislike, but about principles. Beck does what
Edited on Sun Aug-23-09 11:08 AM by No Elephants
he does for a paycheck. His advertisers buy time on Fox to sell product (yet 20 of them pulled out).

This guy went out of his way to help a murdering industry that doesn't even employ him. (I'm guessing he owns stock in it, though.)
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MrsBrady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 11:11 AM
Response to Reply #22
24. he's just trying to prevent a Union, trying to promote his business as the savior of all ills,
IMO
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 11:43 PM
Response to Reply #24
122. Mackey sure has been very aggressive at preventing unionzation at Whole Foods .. .
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 03:56 AM
Response to Reply #24
158. Or maybe help protect his investment portfolio. I'd bet he owns" health" insurance stocks.
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BonnieJW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 08:44 AM
Response to Reply #22
212. I think it's up to 30
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 11:13 AM
Response to Reply #15
25. It was a self-serving op-ed that only the rich would approve of
...but believe what you want.
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blackbart99 Donating Member (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 06:40 AM
Response to Reply #25
182. Robb is right....
Self serving that blew up in his face. Reap the whirlwind Mr. CEO. He started a business to sell
to the left, open minded, enviro/health food earth lovers that I am so proud to be a member of....
But he doesn't even believe what he's selling. He's just out for a buck...nothing wrong with that.
He will pay for that op-ed, maybe with his company. It will be sad to see all those people unemployed
if it goes tits-up.
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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 10:02 AM
Response to Reply #182
234. hmmm...
Maybe there is something wrong with being "just out for a buck." Perhaps, when acquiring buckages becomes one's raison d'etre? Especially at the expense of others?
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 11:19 AM
Response to Reply #15
27. This isn't the first time he's acted stupidly as a CEO
Edited on Sun Aug-23-09 11:20 AM by cascadiance
He's been in trouble in the past for anonymously posting to message boards pumping WF's stock value, which is borderline illegal...

He's also lead his company into swallowing up many other alternative food stores like Wild Oats to build an "alternative monopoly". And even to the point of getting a Bush era court to issue a downright stupid subpoena to get a competitor (New Seasons) to provide internal sales and data figures to prove they weren't a monpoly here in Portland (as if that action wasn't going to help CAUSE a monopoly with them getting access to competitor's proprietary data!). That prompted an earlier boycott of WF's up here in Portland.

If I were a WF's investor, I would say that this is three strikes and YOUR OUT to the board!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 07:30 PM
Response to Reply #27
90. in short, he sounds like a fucking repuke
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 05:38 AM
Response to Reply #90
173. And if it quacks like a POS...
It prolly is one!
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Wabbajack_ Donating Member (669 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 06:05 AM
Response to Reply #173
175. Mackey
From Wikipedia:

Political views

Libertarian ideas

In a debate in Reason Magazine among Mackey, Milton Friedman, and T.J. Rodgers, Mackey said that he is a free market libertarian. He has said that he used to be a "democratic socialist" in college, but when he began a business and barely made money while being accused by workers of not paying them enough and customers of charging too high prices, he began to take a more capitalistic worldview and discovered the works of Ludwig von Mises, Friedrich Hayek and Friedman. According to an article published in The New York Times on August 2, 2009, Mackey is an admirer of author Ayn Rand.


Unions

Mackey has said about unions, "The union is like having herpes. It doesn't kill you, but it's unpleasant and inconvenient, and it stops a lot of people from becoming your lover."


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.

So there you have it. He's a jerk.



I don't go there often. Maybe because I'm a "poor liberal" and not a "wealthy liberal".

I'm not sure it's fair though to boycott a company just because it's CEO expresses regressive political views
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 06:13 AM
Response to Reply #175
176. "I'm not sure it's fair"
Fair employers are not afraid of unions!
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EOTE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 08:35 AM
Response to Reply #175
209. Not fair?
A business must earn its customers, they're not entitled to them. By making such stupid statements, Mackey has alienated those potential customers. This boycott operates under the capitalist system he loves so much. I hope he learns his lesson the hard way.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 09:13 AM
Response to Reply #175
219. funny how he became a libertarian when suddenly he had his own business.
there are many good Democrats that own business's, treat their employees well and support unions. And, gasp! still make money.

mackey is nothing more than an opportunist. How, honestly, does a person go from a "Democratic Socialist" to a libertarian? unless he had some sort of massive head trauma, 180 turn is really hard to explain in rational conversation.

he's a colossal bullshitter of the highest order.

he's an average business man. whole foods only took off on a national scale AFTER he got ex-walmart execs on the whole foods board.

bottom line: mackey is full of shit.
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 11:41 AM
Response to Reply #175
255. "Milton Friedman" enough said. That guy is a charlatan who has destroyed many lives. n/t
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 09:08 AM
Response to Reply #90
216. he's a rabid libertarian, need I say more?
I live in austin and wacky mackey, as we call him here, is a nut case and has always been a nut case.

boiling down his "editorial" or as I like to call it free advertising for his store, he does nothing more than shill for his business.

I would frequent the local store here in austin in the mornings for breakfast taco and a muffin.

no more.

I get my eggs from a local farm now. On sunday night, I make a quick frittata, cut it up and have a piece of it every morning now. I also am baking my own muffins with bulk flour I get off the net. My milk and butter I get from a farmer and all other baking ingredients I get from another local supermarket (much cheaper).

wacky mackey can now screw off.

I can go on and on about the bullshit that goes on at whole foods, since many of my friends work there, but that's for another rant. :)

Cheers.
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Liberty Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 09:59 PM
Response to Reply #27
106. Make it 4 strikes...
They're non-union and have had some labor issues as well.
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Rockholm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 06:04 AM
Response to Reply #106
174. Wal-Mart has better employee policies.
At least, that what was discussed at the office the other day. While none of us shop at WalMart, they do offer heath insurance and they now allow unions.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 09:15 AM
Response to Reply #174
220. oddly, there are ex walmart execs now on whole foods board.
perhaps walmarts improvements are due to the fact that they shed the crap who then moved over to whole foods. LOL
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Rockholm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 09:52 PM
Response to Reply #220
280. You are probably right.
Some Board members move around like locusts.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 04:14 AM
Response to Reply #27
164. Good info. Thanks. Add his anti-union measures and his anti-human op ed
and you have one borderline whacko incredibly selfish jerk.

Only expressing his opinion, my sweet Aunt Rosie.
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 11:39 AM
Response to Reply #27
254. Oh I forgot about that! That was him? What an idiot. n/t
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 11:39 AM
Response to Reply #15
31. You can get the same products-and better ones-elsewhere for less
but hey, your money and your conscience. Just don't expect changes if you decide to sit on the sidelines.
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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 12:21 PM
Response to Reply #15
49. I like Whole Foods too, but I'm not going to be giving my money to them anymore if
I can help it. Unfortunately, until I can find a better alternative, I still have to buy my cat's food there. But that's all.
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Voice for Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 10:33 PM
Response to Reply #49
113. you can get really good quality cat food online.
I don't know how the prices compare to WF's but I always buy online in bulk, both canned & dry.
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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 11:28 PM
Response to Reply #113
119. My cat needs a specific kind of wet food because of his former diabetes. The WF 365 brand
meets the requirements AND he eats it AND it's 99 cents a can. The other foods that meet the requirements either he doesn't like or are way too expensive. I used to give him the Newman's Own, which he liked, but it shot up to anywhere from $1.75-2.50 a can (even online). This is cheaper than having him back on insulin, but still quite expensive. I did find him a frozen food that he really liked, and that turned out to be about the same price per serving as the 365 brand, but you have to buy 12 rolls at a time. I have a teeny tiny freezer and no room for that. The only place that carried the rolls individually was, guess who, Whole Foods. :eyes:

Anyway, thank for the help. I'm always looking for a better alternative but so far haven't found one. Online or in stores.
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comtec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 08:00 AM
Response to Reply #119
201. You get a kitty-cat's needs exemption
but ONLY for your kitty's needs ;)

There is no point in endangering your cat for principles.
you are his guardian, and im ho that takes precedence.

flame away.
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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 10:17 AM
Response to Reply #201
240. Thanks comtec.
I will keep looking for an alternative. I wish there was a way to let them really see what a difference it will be to lose my money. I bought a lot of things there.
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Voice for Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 03:51 PM
Response to Reply #119
263. I don't know if this is in your price range or meets his needs, but here are two sources
of high quality no-grain cat food:

http://www.preciouspets.org/healthypetnet/catfood.htm

http://www.sitstay.com/dog/supplies/servlet/CategoryDis...

I like to give a variety so I buy from both places. Also I supplement with canned sardines in spring water and occasionally canned salmon.. not as expensive as you might expect.

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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 05:09 PM
Response to Reply #263
270. Thanks for the links.
I've tried this one and Frankie does like it, but it's about twice the price (3 oz can) which I can't afford at the moment. It's good stuff though, and will definitely help prevent diabetes. :hi:
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lib_wit_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 12:55 PM
Response to Reply #15
53. An opinion that needs to be publicly denounced--boycott is a good way to do that in a manner that
will be publicized.
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Celtic_88 Donating Member (23 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 01:03 PM
Response to Reply #15
55. Whole Foods
I wont stop shopping there .. This CEO offered his solution to the Health care problem, he did Not Condemn health care . He is Pro Health care for all.
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beac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 09:15 PM
Response to Reply #55
99. "He is Pro Health care for all."
Yeah, all that can afford to buy $6-a-pound broccoli in his overpriced stores or cover a $2500 deductible while being paid below-average wages and not allowed to unionize. Did you even READ his op ed??? :crazy:
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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 10:16 AM
Response to Reply #99
239. Yeah...
I think it's highly unlikely. If you read the entire op-ed, it becomes clear that Mackey thinks we should all be personally responsible for our health, which means we should eat healthy foods, drink only in moderation (phew, thank god he left THAT one in...), exercise regularly (crap, just when I thought being a couch potato was a good thing...), and avoid cigarette smoke (no duh!).

How condescending. Does Mackey propose to eliminate all cancers, genetic anomalies, and accidental injuries? Sigh...I could go on, but what's the use?

By the way, I could not afford my employer's high-deductible insurance, and the deductible for my insurance was only $750/year.
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diane in sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 11:50 PM
Response to Reply #55
126. Enjoy your pizza
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 09:12 AM
Response to Reply #126
218. It's going to be an Amy's 3 cheese pizza on a cornmeal crust
:9
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 11:50 PM
Response to Reply #55
127. eh, your voice/dollars
I would think that since you have spoken about being upset about the directions Obama's policies have taken, that you would also support the heath care reform.

People are free to do what they want - including disagree or financially support someone who is fighting against good cause - but just as he's free to say his side, I am free to decide to not give any more of my money. They're over-priced anyway and I can find better elsewhere for less.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 04:02 AM
Response to Reply #55
160. Then why is he going out of his way to support those who deny coverage to sick people? As if
Edited on Mon Aug-24-09 04:04 AM by No Elephants
ANYone is going to announce that he is against health care, no matter what the reality is.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 07:06 AM
Response to Reply #55
191. No he is not. He is among other things, anti-Union
not just that it is a non Union shop, which it is, but the CEO speaks against unions in general and in disgusting terms. He sees organization of workers as a disease, and let me tell you this, the reason I have and have always had decent health care is my Union.
Plus their food is of low quality, better than Walmart but far below my standards for fresh foods. Far. But then again, I have actual Farmer's markets and small local shops to give my custom, we refused to allow Whole Foods into this town.
The boycott is going to hurt them badly, because most of their customers only shop there out of laziness. There are better options everywhere. Once people taste real quality, they will demand real quality.
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corkhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 09:05 AM
Response to Reply #55
215. Which store do you work at?
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 09:25 AM
Response to Reply #55
221. oh mr. mackey, do you now troll DU to promote your brand of BS?
you want to know the "options" he gives his employees?

The employees were given a new health care plan, they were to choice one from 5 plans.

they were whittled down to 2. By whom? no one at whole foods will say, but they claim it was by the employees.

The two that are left are: one plan raises the deductible 20% year on year. The other plan raises the deductible upfront and the copay.

The first plan is more attractive to the short time employees (which they have a lot of) the second plan is more attractive to the long time employees (which they are losing do to lay offs and general disgruntled-ness)

So which screw job would you pick?

So mr. asshole mackey says "just eat better food, and all will be well!" fails to point up the fact that his own employees are getting screwed by the health care bullshit plan that he so proudly endorses.

Oh and one more than, the "wellness" account bullshit. Sure you can sock away 2500 bucks over a year for med expenses, but at the end of the year, you don't get that money back. And god forbid you get something that costs more than that, you are in a word, fucked.

So please tell me again just how wonderful whole foods is to their employees when it comes to a health plan? Oh and you must remember that whole foods now has several ex walmart execs on their board. whole foods learned fast to screw their employees.

mr. wacky mackey who used to be a "Democratic Socialist" is now a die hard libertarian. You know those nut jobs, they are the ones that enjoy all the government services but don't want to pay for them.

in the end mackey is an ignorant selfish tool.
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 10:15 AM
Response to Reply #55
238. 21 posts! Ha Ha - Looks like they hired a PR firm to post here! - Who do you work for? Can we speak
to your employers or Mackey directly?
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 11:43 AM
Response to Reply #55
256. any asshole that utters the phrase "healthcare is not a right!" gets no pass from me. n/t
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cloudythescribbler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 02:07 PM
Response to Reply #15
60. & what about their union-busting? BTW, I understand Mackey's done LOTS against universal healthcare
and not just supposedly innocently expressed his feelingsin one WSJ article. I'm not a wonk on this issue but you could check the boycott's rapidly growing FaceBook site (from zero to 10s of thousands in just a couple of weeks), including the links there to their website, etc.
http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?topic=11557&post=7068...
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 09:28 AM
Response to Reply #60
222. at each store, anti-union propaganda is handed out frequently. nt
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 02:21 PM
Response to Reply #15
62. 'alternative option' feh.
Attacking healthcare reform is attacking Obama and the Democratic Party.
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CitizenPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 10:33 PM
Response to Reply #62
112. yeah, it was kind a huge part of our fucking platform
so anyone who is cool with "other options", while not ever listing or detailing what those options are, is not for the platform of this party.

Healthcare for ALL. It's just civilized. And this "other option" business is all we keep hearing from the pukes, while they never seem to have another option, except for:

Let them Eat Cake.

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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 04:41 AM
Response to Reply #112
167. Their "option" is to relieve insurers from state regulation without putting in federal regulation.
You know--the same kind of thinking that led to companies getting "too big to fail," the funny money mortgage derivatives market, killer lead toys, Bernie Madoff, etc.

The Republican health care reform option can be described the way most of their policies can be described:

"Government and regulation, bad; more money for the rich, good. Screw Mr. amd Mrs. Six Pack and their kids and their whole damn planet. And don't try to point that out or we'll start babbling about reverse classism, class wars, unfairness to rich people and any other divisive horse manure we can conjure."
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blackbart99 Donating Member (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 06:51 AM
Response to Reply #112
186. Single payer, public option NOW!!!
Nothing less will do. If we don't get it now, we have to vote out all the Rep's & Senators that vote
against it. I am so tired of the "I got mine ...Fuck You " retarded repugs. We have the power now...
and we can't let the spineless blue dog bullshit dems get away with derailing it.
:nuke: :kick: :banghead:
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 04:24 AM
Response to Reply #62
166. No it's attacking fifty million uninsured and untold millions who are insured but refused coverage
when they are ill or go bankrupt despite being insured. And even more who will no longer be able to afford care, drugs, or insurance in another ten years or less.

There are larger issues and larger principles than Obama or even the Democratic Party.

FYI the first to propose Universal Health Care was Teddy Roosevelt, who was a Republican at the time. This is a human issue, not a person issue or a Pary issue. Nixon took a stab at it, too. Making it about Obama or the Democrats when almost 80% of Americans want reform would be self-defeating, IMO.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 02:28 PM
Response to Reply #15
67. Whole Paycheck is for yuppies that are suckers for a Libertarian charlatan.
Edited on Sun Aug-23-09 02:28 PM by Odin2005
Overpriced crap that gives yuppies a way to show off and make themselves look better then us hoi polloi.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 08:29 PM
Response to Reply #67
92. You got that right! nt
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 05:02 PM
Response to Reply #15
75. Lame excuse. The CEO was using his status as CEO to get to write his opinion in the WSJ.
Rationalize away and happy shopping.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 05:16 PM
Response to Reply #15
79. His first quote was:
"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out
of other people's money."

And the assholery doesn't get any better. This is not "an alternative option." This is drowning government in a bathtub.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 12:47 AM
Response to Reply #79
141. But it's Capitalism which has failed again and which we are biling out -- !!!
AND -- How about two wars bankrupting our Treasury?

First, Margaret Thatcher might be noting about now that capitalism has crashed again due to its own suicidal instincts - greed and exploitation -- and that it is BEING SUBSIDIZED AGAIN BY AMERICAN TAXPAYERS!!!



John Mackey QUOTE: A careful reading of both the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution will not reveal any intrinsic right to health care, food or shelter, Mackey wrote in the letter. Thats because there isnt any. This right has never existed in America.UNQUOTE Right, and originally only white males who owned property could vote -- Africans were slaves and women are still not full citizens! Social conscience, however, has provided for change -- and that's what's required when we look at meeting human needs. That's the role of a "people's" government. Mr. Mackey might also look at the United Nations Human Rights Proclamation -- it includes foods, shelter, clothing -- and HEALTH CARE. I'm already disgusted with the Whole Foods stores ... I continue to limit what I buy there -- but I will now being looking for those organic products elsewhere. Mr. Mackey owes all of America an apology -- and Whole Foods needs to undergo some CHANGES, itself!!!

America is spending TWICE what it would cost to provide every American with
health care -- something every other nation has managed to do!!!

MEDICARE FOR ALL -- EVERYONE IN, NO ONE OUT
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 04:57 AM
Response to Reply #141
168. FAIL. Mackey. The Dec. of Ind. has nothing to do wih this. That was, exactly what it says it is.
A declaratioin of our independence from England. It was written by Jefferson, and never voted on by anyone. It never was a document with legal effect on the rights of American citizens. Some think it was. It might be nice in some ways if it were. But it isn't.

So, now we go to the Constitution and only the Constitution.

There's no right in the Constitution to corporate welfare or tax cuts for the only rich, either, but what does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

The issue is not whether the Constituion gives a right to health care--though both sides can certainly be debated. The issue is what an affluent (arguably), moral and civilized society should do and what its economic interests requires it do.

Stop building straw men in a desperate attempt to cloak your obscene greed and inhumanity with legalese and STFU.

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 03:06 PM
Response to Reply #168
261. Exactly . . . thank you !!!
There's no right in the Constitution to corporate welfare or tax cuts for only the rich, either

GREAT POINT . . . keep it out there!!!



:)
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 04:11 AM
Response to Reply #79
163. And tthe trouble with people like him is they never admit they are using other people's
money.

Who do you think uses more government services and infrastructure and more natural resources, someone who buses table for a living or those with boats, private planes, etc.? Yet Republicans give them tax cuts AND they get to pontificate about who lives off them.

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beac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 09:10 PM
Response to Reply #15
97. SO, you thought his opening quote (actually a mis-quote) about "socialism" wasn't
meant as an attack? Really????

:crazy:
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 09:13 PM
Response to Reply #15
98. I received an email from Whole Foods. It is clear that they wish he had Not voiced his POLITICS.
It was corporate selfishness and propaganda. Companies have no business speaking out like this.

He must step down.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 12:04 AM
Response to Reply #98
129. It's like an unfaithful mate. They are so sorry...
Sorry you found out!
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 12:47 AM
Response to Reply #98
142. I'd have no problem with a humane comment by corporate CEO's . . .
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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 07:37 AM
Response to Reply #98
196. Hmm. Maybe companies DO have business speaking out like this.
It helps us separate the 'wheat from the chaff'. The head of Costco for example would never say anything so stupid.
Further, I've often thought that corporations should be limited in their 'free speech rights' to writing letters to the editor, to bring them on parity with ordinary humans, rather than throwing around oodles of cash.

I rarely shop at Whole Foods anymore (for a few years) but I've always had the sense that it was fake-liberal. Now I have another reason to avoid it.
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mustardman Donating Member (97 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 09:47 PM
Response to Reply #15
105. Live by the sword, die by the sword
I disagree, in a free market customers can chose to shop wherever they want and if the CEO (who represents the values of the company) gives an opinion in contrast to their public corporate identity and the values of the majority of his customers then the customers should decide NOT to shop there.

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BREMPRO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 10:44 PM
Response to Reply #15
114. i'm boycotting WFM because of more than just Mackey's opinion.
Edited on Sun Aug-23-09 10:49 PM by BREMPRO
Many reasons:

He has a right to his opinion and i support his right. He mentioned Whole foods many times in the article and it's clear as the chairman of the board, co-founder, and CEO he runs the show. He's is totally out of tune with his customers values and sense of community. His libertarian views in general are an offense to his majority liberal customer base, including myself.

The company has made a practice of swallowing up small independent stores and chains and created regional monopolies. Their corporate model is much like Walmart but with high prices. not good for communities or small businesses. Here in Portland ME, they bought and closed a small independent health food store and bought and closed a popular Wild Oats store in a hostile merger. It was discovered during the acquisition that Mackey had been posting on financial web sites under pseudonyms positive comments about his company and negative ones about Wild Oats. He did this to presumably to lower the stock price of Wild Oats, a highly unethical business practice. He even posted that he like the CEO's (his own)haircut " i think he looks cute"

He also sued another GREAT health food chain "New Seasons" for their financial records during the merger with wild oats claiming he needed them to prove he wasn't creating a monopoly. Right, just more info to help their predatory and anti-competitive practices.

He's anti-union. I used to shop at Bread and Circus in Cambridge and the employees seemed happier and more "organic". The feeling in WFM is corporate and not so friendly.

His health care plan, the one he is proposing for the country is a high deductible plan with HSA's which are great for the corporation (saves them money and lowers risk)and the insurance business (increases profits), but not for workers. It discourages preventative care among other problems. It's the same one republicans like McCain were pushing on us during the campaign.

I will not shop there again, and plan to shop at farmers markets and travel a bit for a small local independent health food store. All are less expensive and support local business and communities.

When WFM reforms their ways and Mackey steps down, i may consider returning, not until then.

I recently posted a response to Mackey's op-ed from the co-founder of WFM, Renee Hardy. She makes a very thoughful and respectful rebuke to his narrow minded libertarian diatribe.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...



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Left Coast2020 Donating Member (597 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 12:09 AM
Response to Reply #114
130. Same reason why I'm staying away--permently.
I find it beyond foul when someone of his Makeys ilk buys up smaller competitors, drives them out, and puts employees on the street out of work. I was driving today looking for another store and think I found one. I hope this yo-yo gets the hint when his sales figures start falling for 3rd-Qtr.
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 10:58 PM
Response to Reply #15
115. They suck!
I know two people who were injured due to unsafe conditions at Whole Foods. The company fights like hell to prevent them from collecting reasonable compensation for their injuries.

It's a fucking yuppie shit-hole! :thumbsdown:
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morillon Donating Member (809 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 12:56 AM
Response to Reply #15
146. I got disgusted with him over that sock puppetry incident.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/16/technology/16blog.htm...

As much as I want to like Whole Foods, the behavior of their CEO over and over again really puts me off.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 03:25 AM
Response to Reply #15
153. This is how
fascism works. This is how it started.

I like this, "The CEO was only offering an opinion and alternate option." I believe we have heard quite enough RW opinions. Fuck RW opinions!

The same fascists that would prevent us from implementing a better health care system here would dismantle the British system. They are the same fascists.
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 03:31 AM
Response to Reply #15
154. They are a scam.
They buy from agribusiness and NOT local farmers. I know, I've tried to sell my produce to them.

And they actively discourage their workers from Unionizing just like Wal-Mart.

So, it's really no better than Wal-Mart.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 07:16 AM
Response to Reply #154
193. The produce and meats at Whole Foods are substandard
compared to what we can get from out local farms and local markets. And frankly, the CEO is far more vocally anti-union than the Walton family has been. He says Unions are like herpes. So really it is far worse than Walmart, for it is the same while holding pretense of being better than that.
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kcass1954 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 06:51 AM
Response to Reply #15
187. Once he identified himself as the CEO, it was no longer "personal" opinion. n/t
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 06:53 AM
Response to Reply #15
188. Sorry, can't agree.
The CEO sets the tone for a corporation. If this guy runs Whole Foods, then I want nothing to do with Whole Foods. It's that simple.
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comtec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 07:48 AM
Response to Reply #15
198. There are better places, Mom n Pop shops to spend your whole paycheck
and be 'eco green' at the same time than this place.

yes it's convenient, but isn't it better to goto a small local shop, or better, a local farmer?
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BonnieJW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 08:43 AM
Response to Reply #15
211. I'm done.
Any place that promotes the healthy eating/living mantra and then disses health care for everyone is out.
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corkhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 09:03 AM
Response to Reply #15
214. Welcome to DU
Mr. Mackey
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 09:11 AM
Response to Reply #15
217. I like whole foods too
And this BS with the CEO isn't going to change it. The workers have good benefits compared to other hourly jobs and Whole Foods does a lot to promote good eating and environmentalism.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 09:51 AM
Response to Reply #15
229. He only got his op-ed published because his customers have enriched him.
He chose to use his column inches to fuck them over.

Fuck Mackey, and fuck all the apologists for the status quo.
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 10:25 AM
Response to Reply #15
243. only an alternative opinion.
hitler had an "alternative opinion". opinions matter. one needs to be sure to have a good one.
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 11:35 AM
Response to Reply #15
252. To each his own, but I refuse to support someone financially who is trying to harm me.
And an OP-Ed piece is hardly expressing his little old opinion around a dinner table. Those of us that cannot get health insurance unless they reform it, choose not to shop and enrich him any further.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 03:45 PM
Response to Reply #1
262. It's amazing the effect on a story when it graduates to the M$M.
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Dyedinthewoolliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 09:57 AM
Response to Original message
2. Proving once again
there is more to life than making money. Mr. Mackey has built up a huge corporation selling things that are inherently liberal in their purpose or reason for being. Doesn't poison free food, grown so as to not destroy the environment and the people who eat it, sound liberal?
He failed to realize the very people who made him rich support the idea of health care reform. This is so ironic it's hilarious :)
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 10:02 AM
Response to Reply #2
5. Apparently he's a libertarian true believer
which is not all that unusual in the health foods biz, believe it or not.

However, he made the amazing blunder of not seeming to realize most of his customers are left liberal, not libertarian.

I do resent the characterization of his customer base as wealthy. That certainly isn't the case here, where his customer base is the whole foods movement of all income levels. The poorer ones buy the bulk items. The richer ones buy the prepared foods.
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Doremus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 10:18 AM
Response to Reply #5
14. "...most of his customers are left liberal, not libertarian."
An egregious mistake since everyone knows libertarians are tighter than skin on a hotdog and would rather cut off their arm than shell out the kind of dough Whole Paycheck demands for its wares.

:rofl:
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jxnmsdemguy65 Donating Member (481 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 11:55 AM
Response to Reply #5
41. I would agree...
that, from what I've observed, the health foods biz is extremely profit driven. The prices for vitamins, supplements and other items at our local health food stores are astronomical. Easy to understand what's happening when you find out that its the owner's Lexus parked outside the shop. Much cheaper to buy in bulk online.
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katkat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 12:27 AM
Response to Reply #41
133. mom and pop health food stores
Our local mom and pop health food store is barely hanging in there out here in the boonies. Sure the prices are higher, organic generally costs more. And they treat their employees like human beings.

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Tunkamerica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 12:18 PM
Response to Reply #5
47. I agree since I'm not rich and shop there about 50% of the time
It's the only store in walking distance and its on my way to work. I try to stick to the cheaper aisles.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 05:09 AM
Response to Reply #5
169. Really poor people cannot afford whole foods. They are shopping for produce off
the "not our best, but still a bargain" racks in the cheapest supermarkets they can find and, in those same supermarkets, for their baked goods from the allegedly day old bakery rack that is still selling Christmas cupcakes as Valentine's Day approaches.

I've shopped in Whole Foods and I've shopped in a supermarket in an area of really poor people and the two client bases do not look or dress anything alike.

Now, that's how it is in Boston. Maybe in your area it's very, very different.
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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 09:59 AM
Response to Original message
3. Good. Put 'em out of fucking business. I read a couple of articles............
............about them and it seems like their business practices are somewhat shady too. The ass hole stuck his size 13 in his mouth and he now deserves everything he gets.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 10:02 AM
Response to Original message
4. Done & I will stop carrying their nice colorful re-usable grocery bags too.
I know the local producers deserve more of our support anyway AND they ARE organizing.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 10:03 AM
Response to Reply #4
6. Oh, carry the bags
and be conspicuous as you shop elsewhere.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 10:10 AM
Response to Reply #6
8. Yeah! I should get some more Single Payer stickers and put them on the bags.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 10:10 AM
Response to Reply #6
9. Mixed blessing as the bags give them free advertising/publicity.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 10:12 AM
Response to Reply #9
10. BOYCOTT ON! Let's help publicize this, too. Notify everyone you know.
Shades of Robert Kennedy and the lettuce boycott.


God, I love Democrats when they are active for all the right reasons.

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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 11:59 AM
Response to Reply #9
43. Use a paint stencil like this and paint a red circle and slash through it...


Then you'll be giving them the negative publicity they deserve.
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philosophie_en_rose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 01:37 PM
Response to Reply #9
58. You could turn them inside out.
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beac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 09:25 PM
Response to Reply #9
100. I saw a woman with a WF bag with "BOYCOTT WHOLE FOODS" written
written on it in fat, thick letters. She can still be green and use the bags to shop but she's getting the boycott messsage out too. Brilliant.
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Politicub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 11:03 AM
Response to Reply #6
21. Love that idea - will proudly take my Whole Foods bags to Trader Joes and Kroger
Any if anyone asks me about them, it will give me a chance to tell them why I'm not shopping there.
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TommyO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 11:24 AM
Response to Reply #6
28. Carry the bags, but put a big, red, international "no" symbol over their logo
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 11:52 AM
Response to Reply #28
37. A red tape "X" is easier to do
and easy to remove when Mackey gets ousted.

If you can't find red adhesive tape, just color some masking tape.
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 09:29 PM
Response to Reply #6
101. LOL! You can also edit the bags with a marker to make them say "A-Whole Foods." :D
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 11:45 PM
Response to Reply #101
125. brilliant! nt
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 06:40 AM
Response to Reply #101
183. GREAT idea!
You're making me regret my utilitarian plain canvas jobs.
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 01:31 PM
Response to Reply #183
259. Oh gosh, no worries!


You can make your own with a marker! Here's a template I found online, the creator released the image for free use by anybody:



And that's where I got the idea. Wish I had thought of it, but no matter, I'm happy to put it on my own plain canvas bag with permanent fabric markers. I was trying to decide what to put on there anyway.

:hi:

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GinaMaria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 10:08 AM
Response to Original message
7. How long until this D-bag CEO is let go?
He must have a sweet contract with WF that they haven't gotten rid of him yet. Either way the company will pay.... loss of customers or big payout to the company sabotaging CEO
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 10:14 AM
Response to Reply #7
11. A 15% ding in the gross receipts should do it.
I think people are angry enough about this to do at least that.

I don't know how it is in other areas, but supermarkets here all carry whole grains and many are carrying vegetarian frozen foods.
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GinaMaria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 04:07 PM
Response to Reply #11
73. oh yeah, there are other choices
A lot of them better priced too. WF's hopes of an organic food monopoly may have been thwarted, by all of this. There's a giant spotlight on WF right now.
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marasinghe Donating Member (754 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 12:18 AM
Response to Reply #11
132. wf was always unaffordable for me; but sometimes i was compelled to hit 'em.
however, i find there's always a small local store, veg &/or ethnic, that'll carry veg stuff; but that's in nyc. while that may not always be an option in the 'burbs or rural, there's plenty of alternatives for on-line shoppers. those not willing to buy off the 'net, may not be that lucky.

speaking as a vegetarian - this mckey guy was always a hypocrite & grandstander. i remember the bullshit "no sale of lobsters @ whole foods" stunt he pulled, while continuing to peddle all manner of seafood & animal flesh. and most of anything in the way of policy at wf, comes out of his ass.

now, the only thing i'm really gonna miss from wf is Lindeman's beer. but, i'm sure someone will pick up the slack.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 06:47 AM
Response to Reply #132
184. If you're in NYC, you can do better than Lindeman's
and I'm surprised there aren't hole in the wall food stores selling whole grains and the like there. There sure were in Boston. There were also food co-ops in Boston that were open to non members, just walk in and bag up your beans, pay at the register.

I agree about the hypocrisy surrounding the no lobster policy. Lobsters are basically bugs who lack the brain structure to interpret pain. The stuff in the case all had those structures up and working overtime at slaughter. Mackey probably didn't want to pay for the tanks for live storage, the only way to sell lobster.

I'm less pious than I used to be and eat some seafood. However, even if Whole Paycheck was the only game in town, I'd still avoid them. Groceries here are starting to stock whole foods, some of them stock them in bulk.

There are always alternatives, even for veg heads.
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marasinghe Donating Member (754 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 05:44 PM
Response to Reply #184
272. thanks for the suggestions.
agree on the beer; there's plenty of good stuff to be had. just that i have this unreasoning addiction to lindeman's. but i'm certain i'll find it around town.

there's no problem with food. the thing with wf was: they always had stocks of soap & stuff, when the little guys run out.

still, for me - it's time to draw a line.

cheers.
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 10:16 AM
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12. I want some organic shea butter and cocounut oil for my hair. I won't be buying it at Whole Foods.
Whole Foods is overpriced, anyway.

(I hope I'm able to wash this stuff out of my hair! I've read that shea butter and coconut oil are great for the hair. We'll see. But I'll be buying it at some other store.)
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Diane R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 04:06 PM
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72. Look online for a website that sells soapmaking products. You'll save a ton of money.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 05:14 PM
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78. Yes, and many have free shipping.
I love that Shea butter. Nothing else works.
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 08:30 PM
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93. Thanks! nt
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 10:16 AM
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13. Good. I hope they shut down.
Or kick his ass out.
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 10:56 AM
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16. You want to shut them down and kiss his ass out just because he dared to disagree with your ideas...
about health care reform? Doesn't he have a right to his opinion even if it's different from yours?
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Politicub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 11:02 AM
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19. Of couse the CEO has a right to his opinion... and it's my right to shop where I please
I think your argument is silly. Whole Foods isn't the be all end all, and just like he has the right to express an opinion, we have the right to vote with our feet and dollars. I used to like shopping there, but I'm done with supporting them.
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 12:04 PM
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44. But why don't you want to shop at a store whose CEO has an opinion that you disagree with?
It seems that a lot of people want to intimidate anyone who disagrees with them on health care. I see it coming from both sides. The freepers shout down Democratic congressional representatives because of a disagreement over how to best implement health care reform. At the same time, you won't shop at a store whose CEO has a different idea from yours about health care. Where is this all going to end? We need to move forward on this issue as President Obama has said. He has also said that a discussion of health care reform that brings out different ideas is healthy. If you disagree with the CEO's prescription for health care reform, then by all means debate him. But does that really mean that you don't want to shop at his store anymore just over a disagreement over the health care issue? Can't reasonable people disagree sometimes?
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Politicub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 12:20 PM
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48. It's my right to shop where I want for whatever reason I want
And your analogy doesn't hold water. Whole Foods is not the same as congress.

I don't agree with his "different idea" - which he expressed via a national platform, the WSJ. And because of that, it is my choice not to shop at Whole Foods.

Why in the fuck would I shop somewhere I don't feel good about? Those that think a boycott is some kind of move to take away his right to free speech are missing the point. I think it would be beyond stupid for me to shop there as some kind of weird support of his right to free speech.


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Chef Eric Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 11:07 PM
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116. Because this is a MORAL ISSUE.
For many people, the lack of affordable health care means that their lives will be changed for the worse (or shortened). And what is this nonsense about "reasonable" people? What is so "reasonable" about opposing changes to a system that is hurting people?
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 03:42 AM
Response to Reply #44
155. John Mackey can no
longer be considered "reasonable people".

The health care issue is our line in the sand. Fascists on one side, us one the other. You are either with us or against us.
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 10:22 AM
Response to Reply #44
242. Because the CEO's "opinion" drive his actions,


and his actions determine company policy, and his company policy is to deny the people who give their working lives to him the basic health care they need to live their lives without pain and illness and the fear of losing everything they have worked so hard for to the bills from one major medical incident.

It's not that the company can't afford health care for its workers, it's that the company values exhorbitant salaries and luxury items for a few "special" workers over health care for all. A few workers get yachts, and all the other workers live with miserable toothaches because they can't afford a trip to the dentist. And it's the people with the yachts, who will never have to go a day in their lives without medical attention, who seek to withhold that necessity from the very people who make it possible for them to have it.

You can call it the emotionally sterile names "capitilism" or "free enterprise" or what have you, but the bottom line is that it is a system that rewards greed and regards human workers as expendable and their suffering as a byproduct.

So we don't want to shop at Whole Foods not because someone there holds an opinion with which we disagree, but because we don't want to help finance the corporate greed and hypocrisy that turns a blind eye to the pain and suffering of its workers.

Do you get it now?
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whopis01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 10:33 AM
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246. Because he is going to use the profit he makes off of me to push his agenda. n/t
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 11:10 AM
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23. Who's stopping him from having an opinion?
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 09:39 AM
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224. No one, but like anyone who spreads bullshit, be prepared to have it thrown back at you.
he can voice his opinion from now till sunday, but that doesn't mean his opinion is informed or well researched.

And...

Just as his opinion is allowed, so are ours.

Trying to defend his freedom of speech is nice, but defending his object stupidity, selfishness and out right ignorance is something entirely different.

If you have read the "editorial", you will see it was nothing more than an ignorant rant out to promote his store.

He's anti-union and anti-national health care. The last time I checked both of those are massive platforms of the Democratic party.

And since mr. mackey is a rabid libertarian, he better be prepared for criticism of his half witted views.

The sword cuts both ways.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 11:39 AM
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32. Sure. And I have the right to wish him ill. n/t
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 12:07 PM
Response to Reply #32
46. But why do you wish someone ill just because you disagree with them?
Isn't disagreement over issues the American way? I disagree with a lot of people on a lot of issues but that doesn't mean I'm going to boycott them.
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Politicub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 12:22 PM
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50. Since you equate shopping there with supporting his right to free speech
Why don't you resolve to spend twice as much money at whole foods to make up for the ones who are boycotting the store? Then you can feel better that you are protecting the right to free speech.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 02:27 PM
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66. When someone is actively promoting ill for others, I draw the line.
This guy doesn't want the poor to have health care. Fuck him. That's not just "disagreement." A boycott is righting a wrong.
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 04:45 PM
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74. He didn't say that he doesn't want the poor to have health insurance.
He just has a different idea on how best to get there. Personally, I prefer single payer. On the other hand President Obama wants health insurance reform plus a robust public option. Mackey wants to repeal all state laws which prevent insurance companies from competing across state lines and to make individual health insurance premiums tax deductible just like employer sponsored plans are, among other things. This is the sort of discussion about competing ideas that President Obama has said he wants. This angry intolerant attitude that the left has that it's either their way or no way is not constructive. We need to work together to find solutions rather than take a confrontational attitude.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 05:12 PM
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77. Are you being intentionally obtuse, or are you just stupid?
He wants HSAs. HSAs are useless to those who cannot fund them. So no health care for the poor.

He wants to "repeal government mandates regarding what insurance companies must cover." This is simply removing the requirement that insurance companies cover pre-existing conditions. What's the point of reform if you're going to allow them to cherry pick who they'll cover? So no health care for those who are already sick.

And he wants to replace a public option with "voluntary contributions" on your taxes. This is bullshit.

But to a Randian, it probably sounds great. And I believe that's the route you're taking. I've learned long ago there's no point in even talking to someone from this bankrupt philosophic base. So enjoy your day.

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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 06:42 PM
Response to Reply #77
86. OK, go ahead and call me stupid if you want to.
If calling me stupid floats your boat then go ahead.

You bring up a lot of legitimate points about Mackey's positions. And like I said in another post, personally I support single payer, so I guess I disagree with President Obama on this issue. So does that mean that I should boycott Obama? Of course not, in the same way that Mackey's company should not be boycotted. Mackey is trying to contribute to the discussion about health care reform. While I disagree with him, I defend his right to have his positions and if one of his stores were near me I'd have no problem with shopping there.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 06:58 PM
Response to Reply #86
88. Hey, I gave you a choice.
But if stupid works for you, that's OK with me.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 06:14 AM
Response to Reply #86
177. Please see Post 167. Mackey's concern is for insurer profits, not for people.
Edited on Mon Aug-24-09 06:20 AM by No Elephants
And almost half the national "boycotted" Obama. So, yes, if a politician's view piss you off, don't vote for him.

I defend his right to have his positions, too. I also defend everyone's right to boycott him for his positions and his crappy business practices. Again, I'm having a lot of difficulty with your supporting ONLY his expressions, but not people's correlative right to boycctt in order to express their positions about him.

I also find your reference to the confrontation left downright ridiculous. The right is showing up at town halls prominently displaying guns, as an implied threat. They are holding signs with Obama sporting a Hitler mustache and equating his concern for the health of the uninsured, underinsured, etc. with genocide of 12 million human beings. They are shouing down Congressional Representations and others who attend the meetings, not allowing them to ask questions or express their opinions. And you call the LEFT confrontational and intolerant of other views?

I'd better stop there.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 12:51 AM
Response to Reply #74
143. Mackey said "Constitutionally" there is no right to health care . . .!!!!
John Mackey's WSJ comments . . .

QUOTE: A careful reading of both the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution will not reveal any intrinsic right to health care, food or shelter, Mackey wrote in the letter. Thats because there isnt any. This right has never existed in America.UNQUOTE

Right, and originally only white males who owned property could vote -- Africans were slaves and women are still not full citizens! Social conscience, however, has provided for change -- and that's what's required when we look at meeting human needs. That's the role of a "people's" government.

Mr. Mackey might also look at the United Nations Human Rights Proclamation -- it includes foods, shelter, clothing -- and HEALTH CARE.

I'm already disgusted with the Whole Foods stores ... I continue to limit what I buy there -- but I will now being looking for those organic products elsewhere. Mr. Mackey owes all of America an apology -- and Whole Foods needs to undergo some CHANGES, itself!!!

MEDICARE FOR ALL -- EVERYONE IN, NO ONE OUT
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 03:47 AM
Response to Reply #74
156. Nope, we need to take a
confrontational attitude. We tried the non-confrontational attitude. They brought out the brown shirts. Without a fight they will bury us in lies, obfuscation, smoke screens and stealth propaganda. DU is full of characters carrying their water, apologists for RWers speaking their minds.
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 10:22 PM
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110. A Boycott is free speech, very American and very capitalistic
Part of the reason he got the chance to write his piece is because he is the CEO of a large business

As such, his article is a reflection of how the company would/does use its resources in politics

Someone who finds his political/economic/social ideals to be an anathema has very few options in shaping how a company does its business.
Boycotting is one of them -- using money to make a political point.

Personally, I never shop there and never would -- consequently, my opinion means nothing to them.
However, other people have the choice of spending, or not spending, their money the way they see fit.
And this is a way to make the company know why they aren't spending their money there.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 05:15 AM
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170. See Posts 27, 114, 115 and 154 The man is greed driven. Pretending this is about is honest opinion
period is either massively disingenuous or massively naive.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 02:26 PM
Response to Reply #16
65. Let me guess. You defend Glenn Beck et al as often as you can, eh?
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 06:35 PM
Response to Reply #65
85. You guessed wrong.
Here is my blog's URL.

http://cynot1.blogspot.com /

I challenge you to find anywhere on that blog where I defended Glenn Beck. Then why don't you search my DU posts and see if you can find me defending Glenn Beck. Then if you find anything please post back.

There is a big difference between Mackey and Beck. Beck peddles fear and hate for the sake of ratings and profits. Mackey has ideas about health care reform that many of us disagree with. There's a big difference.

BTW, I haven't got around to Beck yet but here is my blog article that I wrote calling upon CNN to fire Lou Dobbs.

http://cynot1.blogspot.com/2009_08_01_archive.html#1532...

It's wrong for you make unfounded accusations against people like you did to me just because we have a disagreement over an issue. I thought that this was a forum for intelligent discussion and debate, not for accusations and innuendo. But maybe I was wrong.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 08:05 PM
Response to Reply #85
91. You don't see the problem of you questioning a group's actions over Mackey's statement?
wow.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 05:25 AM
Response to Reply #85
171. What? Once someone expresses his opinion, no one can express an opinion about his opinion and his
practices?

His business practices stink. Going out of his way to protect health insurance companies despite their greed and inhumanity stinks. I get to express my opinion about both by boycotting his stores. Boycotts are economic speech.

People are allowed to express their opinions without resprisal from government. No one ever promised them they would not piss off their customers if they went out of their way to express an opinion contrary to that almost 80% of Americans. Actions, including speech, often have consequences.

Why are you able to see only one side of that quid pro quo?




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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 06:40 AM
Response to Reply #85
181. Even Scarborough is dumping on birthers That blog
seem to have little relation to your posts on this thread (or to your screen name).
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katkat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 12:29 AM
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134. he has a right to his opinion, but not to my money n/t
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Politicub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 11:00 AM
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18. I used to go out of my way to get special items from there
I couldn't afford to do all of my grocery shopping there, but now I'm not going to do any shopping there.

To hell with whole foods. Taking part in the boycott just gives me more motivation to shop at the farmer's market.

And I have some loooong running boycotts.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 11:53 AM
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39. I have a long running wal mart boycott..
and now if I'm ever in an area where they have a whole foods I won't be going there.

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katkat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 12:34 AM
Response to Reply #39
137. walmart
Hell would freeze over before I bought anything at Walmart, and when someone mentions that they are going shopping there or have gotten something there, I politely cluck cluck about their employee practices and putting U.S. workers out of jobs by getting merchandise from China made by abused workers. No argument, just a polite statement.
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disndat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 11:02 AM
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20. For once a right winger got his comeuppance
I had read recently that Whole Foods is financially over-stretched
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 05:29 AM
Response to Reply #20
172. Knocking smaller competitors out of business can be costly. So can overpaying whacko executives.
Edited on Mon Aug-24-09 05:30 AM by No Elephants
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 11:17 AM
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26. I sent my local WF an email
http://www.wholefoodsmarket.com/company/service.php

If you have one nearby let them know your displeasure. :evilgrin:
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 11:31 AM
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29. Will never shop there again.
I get to choose where I spend my money, and I won't shop there or at Home Depot.

Let the right wingers rot. They don't get my dimes, period.
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Jester Messiah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 11:32 AM
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30. Was tempted to go to WF today.
I miss the excellent hot- and salad-bars that they have at the Fairfax VA store. Steeled my resolve and headed for Trader Joe's instead... came home with a bag of great stuff! The longer I stay away from WF, the more I realize there's nothing there that I can't get elsewhere. Too bad for Mackey.
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katkat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 12:38 AM
Response to Reply #30
138. Trader Joes
They have great stuff at Trader Joes - try their veggie tempura and samosas in the frozen section. Also it is a heck of a lot cheaper than Whole Foods.

You can make as good or better stuff than the Whole Foods hot and salad bars have yourself with really minimal time and effort once you have a bit of practice, and also cheaper.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 12:55 AM
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145. I need to find replacements for Arrowhead Kamut Flakes . . .
Organic beans I think I can find in most stores --

And, natural peanut butter with nothing in it --

Sesame Tofu which they're usually out of anyway!

Organic carrots I can find almost anywhere --

Organic bananas -- King's also has them --

Glen Muir canned crushed tomatoes w/basil --

Pasta sauce -- but it will be some other brand now --

Organic garnet potatoes -- I think King's also has them --

I'd already begun to really limit what I buy at Whole Foods --

I tried to e-mail Whole Foods but after filling out one of the forms it was

rejected???

I'll try again tomorrow --

I think stating our objections and intentions are important!!!

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 11:44 AM
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34. I guess it's gettin "traction"!
Talkin' about it ..way across the pond!
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bread_and_roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 11:47 AM
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35. Remember they are fighting the Employee Free Choice Act too
put a sticker for it along with your single-payer on your bag, if you have one. And mention it in your e-mails.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 12:56 AM
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147. REALLY . . . !!! That really sucks -- !!!! Wow !!!
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The_Commonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 11:49 AM
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36. My wife works a block from the Whole Foods...
...in Manhattan.
She goes there 2 or 3 times a week at lunch, buys chocolate to bring home, and buys a number of their Whole Body items.
She read his WSJ piece, and hasn't been back there since.
She hasn't made a big stink, she just said that she's turned off to the whole place after reading about Mackey's attitude.
I think that may be more common than we might think.
The whole BOYCOTT!!!! thing is one thing, I think the idea of people just quietly turning off is just as important. And it's not as if she doesn't have dozens of other choices in Manhattan.

John Mackey might want to keep his mouth shut...
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 12:58 AM
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148. I'm so glad John Mackey didn't keep his "mouth shut" !!! I'd rather know who he really is . . .!!!
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 04:01 AM
Response to Reply #148
159. Ain't that the truth.
They can't keep their mouths shut-good thing.
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 11:52 AM
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38. For a CEO, he seems pretty dense. He doesn't realize what his
own customer base is and what it thinks? Sounds like pure arrogance. He has gotten away with obvious insults to our intelliogence previously; let's make him pay this time. Several big names have been fired (excuse me have left for the good of the company) lately. maybe Mackey will become a casualty and his personnel and customers will eventually be the beneficiaries of his exit. One can hope. Until he is gone, I am gone from Whole Foods.
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tooeyeten Donating Member (441 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 11:54 AM
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40. this won't get much traction in Southern States that voted for McCain
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Glenda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 12:28 PM
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51. the stores aren't really in the southern states
except some in TX. Looks like a ton in CA, some MA, more often the blue states.

http://www.wholefoodsmarket.com/stores/all/index.php
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clspector Donating Member (295 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 06:24 PM
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84. Whole Foods started in Austin, TX
Edited on Sun Aug-23-09 06:25 PM by clspector
though they've managed to convince every place they've spread to that they're local. Austin, fyi, is a liberal bastion in Texas.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 07:43 AM
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197. They did not convince my town
They were asked politely not to bother showing up. So they didn't. They would have done poorly here anyway, as they are of low quality compared to our locals folks.
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Tunkamerica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 10:23 PM
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111. north carolina
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 02:23 PM
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63. A boycott won't get much traction with people who are against healthcare reform!
Wow. I hadn't considered that. I guess we should only have boycotts for issues that there is unanimity on.

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8 track mind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 11:58 AM
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42. He'll yeah!
What a self serving little asshole. My lovely wife, the poster known as Mrs Brady here on DU, was freaking livid. It's safe to say that the corperate offices got a major earfull that day. After reading that pathetic excuse for an op-Ed I will never set foot in a whole foods ever again. It's stricly farmers markets for us from now on.
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levinrules Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 12:06 PM
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45. Sorry...
I love this store...
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 12:34 PM
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52. try this, everyone
Go to www.organic.org and click "store locations."

You will find a state map and then click your state.

What comes up is a list of all the organic places in your state.

You may find some locally owned/operated health food stores which are more the idea than a chain of health food and organic stores ever was.

As for myself, I'm in the midst of relocating my suppliers and it's been a total pleasure reacquainting myself with the independent health food stores and farmer's markets in my area.

Whole Foods--who needs 'em. Not me.


Cher

p.s. thanks to SoCalDem for the organic.org link. She originally posted it here days ago.
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 12:56 PM
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54. Sorry, I'd rather not have my money going to right winger buttholes
IF I can avoid it. Not that they are perfect, but Trader Joes and Costco are better for me.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 02:25 PM
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64. So you joined here just to type this in?
Is Mackay paying posters these days?
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tomm2thumbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 09:02 PM
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95. hahahah - so right you are

if only they weren't so duh
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diamidue Donating Member (606 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 05:45 PM
Response to Reply #45
81. Yes, there is lots to love about the store.
And once the Company replaces this jerk, it might be worth returning to.

There are so many places around me selling fresh, organic foods that I don't need Whole Foods. But they do have certain things I can't find elsewhere.

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katkat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 12:42 AM
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140. diamidue, what can't you find elsewhere? n/t
Edited on Mon Aug-24-09 12:43 AM by katkat
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juno jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 12:01 AM
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128. ...Funny
All the posters with less than twenty posts love this store...
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 04:06 AM
Response to Reply #128
161. Noticed that did ya?
They're getting practice, part of a RW fundy university requirement.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 06:49 AM
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185. Sorry, I love being a person of principle. See also, Reply 22.
3 posts, huh?
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 09:45 AM
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225. sniff sniff...nt
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tinrobot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 10:13 AM
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237. Welcome to DU - dd the board of Whole Foods send you here?
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Abacus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 01:05 PM
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56. Anyone remember this? "Whole Foods CEO Caught In Embarrassing Message Board Brouhaha"
Edited on Sun Aug-23-09 01:07 PM by Abacus
The FTC's decision to oppose Whole Foods' acquisition of Wild Oats is the result of a misguided and myopic definition of what constitutes the relevant market. And while many expect Whole Foods to ultimately prevail, the proceedings have been unpleasant for the company's CEO, John Mackey. First it was revealed that Mackey championed the merger, in part because he believed that by taking Wild Oats out of play, it would prevent another supermarket chain from quickly becoming a Whole Foods rival. That may or may not be damning (from an antitrust perspective), but a new revelation will prove to be far more embarrassing. As part of its latest legal filing, the FTC dropped the bombshell that John Mackey had, for several years, been posting on the the Yahoo Finance message boards under a pseudonym, cheerleading his company's success and denigrating its rival, Wild Oats. He even made predictions about the company's stock price, putting out extremely high estimates for its performance. It's not clear that what he did was necessarily illegal, but his posting seems unethical and highly foolish, at the very least. If nothing else, the company's stockholders should wonder about what the boss is doing with his time.


Edit, forgot link: http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20070711/174810.shtml
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 02:42 PM
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69. Definitely a bottom feeder.
Being amoral is one of the qualifications to being a CEO of many corporations.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 04:09 AM
Response to Reply #69
162. Oh, it is.
You have to be willing to hurt people, ruin their lives.

Those advocates for a free market solution to our health care problems are telling you "Just go ahead and die, we don't care."
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 03:04 PM
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71. Yeah, I posted that rumor in my post above, along with the crazy New Seasons "monopoly" suit
Edited on Sun Aug-23-09 03:16 PM by cascadiance
... where WF was trying to prove they weren't a monopoly while buying up Wild Oats by suing New Seasons for their financials (as if that would solve anything!) :wtf:

Some more dirt from the inside of the Wild Oats merger, and people calling Mackey a wingnut two years ago!

http://bojack.org/2007/08/the_whole_foodswild_oats_saga...
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 08:37 AM
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210. it seems to me
that should be illegal, gaming the market like that. apparently all he got was embarrassed. well i don't know the laws and i assume this was going on during the bushie years...
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beac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 09:56 AM
Response to Reply #56
232. I remember that.
And that he even posted pseudonymous ly that he thought his (own) haircut was "cute." What a complete and total a-hole.
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Impedimentus Donating Member (84 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 01:29 PM
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57. Mr. John Mackey has every right to express his opinion ...
Edited on Sun Aug-23-09 01:32 PM by Impedimentus
... about health care, and to express his admiration of and adherence to the writings of Ayn Rand. He has every right to get his opinions published in the Wall Street Journal, and to run his company as he sees fit.

After years of shopping at Whole Foods I have every right to NEVER enter one of their stores again, to NEVER purchase a Whole Foods product again. Some small part of those purchases would go to Mr. Mackey's compensation, and that very small part is too much.

Good bye Whole Foods, I'm going to miss you, but I have to live with my conscience.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 05:05 PM
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76. Agree, but he gets the privilege of getting his opinion in the WSJ. nt
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 06:56 AM
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189. Yep, and we get the privilege of boycotting his union busting, monopoly wannabe stores.
Edited on Mon Aug-24-09 06:57 AM by No Elephants
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 07:26 AM
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194. We do have some power. The power of boycott. nt
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 01:37 PM
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59. I was already boycotting them ...
... for economic reasons .....

They do have a great Food Bar, but I have been going elsewhere for some time now ....
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 10:57 AM
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277. Me too.
I have a lot of choices near me. Lots of local farmers for cheap produce and local small groceries for most of the rest.
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cloudythescribbler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 02:14 PM
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61. Is ANYONE interested in the Whole Foods Boycott planning 2go2 Pittsburgh for the G-20 mtg in Sept?
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 02:39 PM
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68. Anyone who shops at Whole Paycheck is a IDIOT and a SUCKER.
The business is a scam designed to sell overpriced food to upper-middle class yuppies that think they are being "virtuous people" while keeping on their wasteful consumerist lifestyle. It is a cross between late Medieval selling of indulgences and a perverse kind of conspicuous consumption.
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BuddhaGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 07:06 PM
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89. have you ever been inside a Whole Foods?
because I see shoppers of ALL economic stripes there, including me...I'm neither a yuppie nor rich. I mostly shop their bulk aisles because it's cheap. I abhor Mackey's positions, and I will probably shop elsewhere as much as I can.

"Anyone who shops at Whole Paycheck is a IDIOT and a SUCKER." Is that what you think of your fellow DUers??
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 03:48 AM
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157. Whole Foods is far from the cheapest supermarket in my area.
Great produce, though. Also n my area, most of their customers are indeed yuppies and those who used to be yuppies but are now older. I don't see there same kind of poorer looking folks I see at the Stop and Shop.

I like Whole Foods (also Trader Joe and Erewhon), but feel like you--they need to get a message from us about going out of their way to support the "health" (of their bottom line)" insurance, drug and hospital industries.
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 06:15 AM
Response to Reply #89
178. You'll see a much higher percentage of Lexus's and Beemers
in a WF parking lot than you will at a regular grocery.
When they closed the one in south Austin some years back, I found no reason to go there anymore.
I can get better food at much better prices at the local Newflower Market and for the imported things I want I can go to the local Fiesta.
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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 10:28 AM
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244. Anyone who makes blanket statements like this is... oh nevermind.
If you think it's wasteful consumerism to buy organic, healthy food then that's your issue. I don't buy everything organic (there are lots of articles explaining which items are better to buy organic), but what I do buy organic is often cheaper at WF than the standard grocery stores, and much better quality. The kale at my local grocery is not even organic and it looks like it's been run over by a truck. I prefer to buy local from farmer's markets and produce markets, but that's not always possible in the midwest.

Believe me, it's going to be painful not to shop at WF once the summer is over and the farmers markets are gone. But I'll do it because it's important and will help our cause. What DOESN'T help our cause is sitting on your high-horse making snarky proclamations.
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Joe Bacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 02:58 PM
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70. I took my business to Erewhon and Trader Joe's
Both are far better than Whole Paycheck.
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 05:41 PM
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80. Whole foods lost approx. $160 worth of business from me this week.
It was time to make my trek into the 'big city' and buy some drug-alternatives and food stuffs.

They didn't see my smiling face.

Wasn't Mackey behind that last push to expand the definition of "organic" to mean things that were not, indeed, organic, that was pushed through by the corporatists when the republicans owned D.C.?
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troubledamerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 06:47 PM
Response to Reply #80
87. Whole Foods lost approx. $50.00 worth of business from me this week.
Boycott? I'm in.
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create.peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 06:00 PM
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82. from an old grist interview....
http://www.grist.org/article/little-mackey /

Mackey, meanwhile, has emerged as both a hero and antihero of the environmental movement. On the one hand, he makes no apologies for running a large, consolidated operation that imports produce and displaces local farmers and small vendors. A notorious foe of unions, he's a staunch libertarian described by The New York Times Magazine as a man "who admires Ronald Reagan and prefers The Wall Street Journal editorial page to this newspaper's."

The Bush administration tried to weaken organic standards. Do you have concerns about the Bush administration's environmental policies?

M:Whole Foods is not going to take a stand on Bush administration policies. I voted for the Libertarian candidate, so I didn't vote for either Kerry or Bush or Nader.

How from a political standpoint do you reconcile strict environmental protections with your libertarian beliefs?

M:As a libertarian, I'm not opposed to all government. I support what are the legitimate functions of government, and I believe environmental protection is one of the most important jobs government has.

You get a lot of criticism for preventing unions from organizing your workers. Are these sort of employee-friendly processes ones that you really couldn't implement with unions?

M:They'd be much more difficult to implement with unions. First of all, it's a lie that Whole Foods somehow prevents unions from organizing. That's against the law. We can't prevent anybody from organizing a union; if our team members want a union, we can't stop them. Our team members can have unions, but they don't want unions because they create this adversarial relationship in the workplace.

One of the myths that unions will often talk about is that you could make a lot more money if top brass weren't so greedy and taking in profits. But if you got rid of all the profits at Whole Foods, it would hurt the workers. The team members are already getting 24 percent of the total pie. For every dollar that comes into sales at Whole Foods Market, 24.1 percent is going out to our team members in wages and benefits.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 06:11 PM
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83. I'm glad I NEVER shopped there.
So I can say my Whole Foods boycott has been going on for longer than most of you! ;)
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tomm2thumbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 08:59 PM
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94. NEVER, NEVER again - same for Wild Oats, Mrs Gooch's, Merchant of Vino, etc ALL part of Whole Foods

If you reward bad acts, you get more bad acts.

WHOLE FOODS COMPANY PIECES:

Mrs. Gooch's
Wild Oats Markets
Fresh Fields
Bread of Life
Amrion
Merchant of Vino
Allegro Coffee
WholePeople.com (e-commerce subsidiary)
Nature's Heartland
Food for Thought
Harry's Farmers Market
Select Fish
Fresh & Wild
Whole Food Company
Wellspring Grocery
Bread & Circus

All part of Whole Foods - Keep it in mind
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 09:32 PM
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102. Retailers would be HUGE beneficiaries of govt.-sponsored healthcare. nt
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JEB Donating Member (134 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 10:20 PM
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109. Where are the CEOs
who stand to benefit from the public option? Are they keeping silent? Or just not getting published by the "liberal" media? Seems to me that many businesses stand to gain with healthcare reform. Why aren't business leaders clamoring for reform?
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lxlxlxl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 09:41 PM
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103. Lamar and 6th
It's a douchebag CEO that runs a company that used to do more than their talk. Now they are nationwide positioned to be national grocery powerhouses...of course their management are a bunch of Yale Grad Assholes
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 09:44 PM
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104. WF won't be seeing my dollars again.
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JEB Donating Member (134 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 10:09 PM
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107. Too Expensive anyway
So I won't be dropping any of my spare change for that pitiful beggar, John Mackey at his overpriced stores. I will, however, feel free to take what I can use from his dumpsters. I hope the union comes in a takes their fair share for the hard work his employees provide. And if he can't keep his mouth shut them he can go fuck himself.
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veganlush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 10:16 PM
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108. yes, boycott is a legit. function of free markets. Let's all go
to the farmers markets! Buy local!
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Lindsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 11:44 PM
Response to Reply #108
123. I was just telling a friend today that I will never go to Whole
Foods again. What a dumb ass that guy is. Most of his shoppers are middle to upper-class liberals. And then he said something about if more people would shop there and eat in a healthy manner, they wouldn't get as sick. He must be a complete idiot. Whole Foods is very pricey and many people can't afford go there.

Also, a fellow poster said that most Whole Foods are in the South but we have them all over here in California.

Anyway, it's totally Trader Joe's for me now on.
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sledgehammer Donating Member (774 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 11:14 PM
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117. Does anyone else find it odd that many of the posters supporting Whole Foods...
...have just joined DU???

Given Mackey's history of creating fake accounts to promote his company*, I wouldn't be surprised it this is another Makcey stunt. I could be wrong though, but the track record seems to suggest it is.

*read here for more: http://www.traderstrade.com/blog/722071
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morillon Donating Member (809 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 01:00 AM
Response to Reply #117
150. I noticed that, too.
Habitual sock puppetry is a hard habit to kick. He was dicking around on Yahoo with a fake identity for 8 years, according to that NYT article I linked upthread.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 11:18 PM
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118. Does this idiot think Freeping Tea-baggers are going to shop at his store?
:rofl:

They're too busy shoving their faces full of processed junk.
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John Kerry VonErich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 11:29 PM
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120. Whose getting hurt in the boycott?
Certainly not John Mackey. He's set financially. Thats why I hate boycotts, they don't work and it only hurts regular employees.
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jeff30997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 12:41 AM
Response to Reply #120
139. It also hurts the shareholders...
Who can tell him to STFU.

"A Whole Foods shareholder can't be too happy by this turn of events: The CEO of the company picks a fight with a sizable segment of their customer base; then that base starts a boycott -- which causes bad headlines.
It's enough to give everyone - shareholders, board of directors and Mackey himself some major indigestion."

http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/politics/Whole-Food-F...
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 04:15 AM
Response to Reply #120
165. Mackey is anti-union
so he hurts employeees already. And boycotts do work. Look how upset it has made the Mackey apologists.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 07:53 AM
Response to Reply #120
199. There is a word for non Union workers in a Union busting shop
and that word is not 'regular employees', it is 'scabs'. In an actual boycott, we'd also be rejecting all those who continue to do business with Whole Foods. All of them are scabs. Union busters.
You do understand that boycotts work very well, so well in fact that the word 'boycott' is just the name of the first man to be subjected to a loss of all custom for political reasons. Mr Boycott is famous for how he went down, not for what he did in the first place.
And 'set financially' is a funny assumption. Never seen a person who was rich and then not rich? Look around you, that is an ongoing part of our history as a nation. If he was as set as he'd like to be, he'd have retired. You have no idea at all what that man's financials look like. None. He might be needy on a large level, who knows?
And his reputation is being hurt, for he looks like an idiot. His opinion aside, his words were simply the words of a fool, calling out his customer base was just not smart. Marketing is everything. And he just committed a huge branding error. Branding is part of his job. A job he is doing very poorly, continuing a pattern of mediocrity and unethical behavior on the part of the Union Buster.
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tinrobot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 10:12 AM
Response to Reply #120
236. Of course he gets hurt...
He makes his money off of the stock price.

If the boycott is successful, he's the one who takes the fall.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 11:41 PM
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121. Mackey is also at odds with the UN Human Rights Manifesto: food/shelter/clothing/health care
I'll stay away unless we get an apology and see Whole Foods adopt a better

way of thinking about the world -- humanity and the planet!

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juno jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 12:13 AM
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131. I for one would like to welcome Mackey and his minions to du.


Enjoy your stay!

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uberllama42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 12:31 AM
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135. What a huge fucking overreaction
An executive makes a statement you disagree with, so you boycott the company? I could see if Whole Foods was union-busting or they turned out to be huge polluters or something, but the company is not responsible for the CEO's opinion.

Why is it necessary to get this guy canned? Boycotting a company because its leader disagrees with you is just stupid. We should maintain focus on Fox News and the rest of the right-wing lie machine. Whole Foods has nothing to do with anything.
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jeff30997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 12:55 AM
Response to Reply #135
144. "maintain focus on Fox News"
"the company is not responsible for the CEO's opinion"

Well in that case Fox News is not responsible for the opinions of Rupert Murdoch.
After all they are making there own decisions and not taking orders from
that benevolent gentleman.

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uberllama42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 07:21 PM
Response to Reply #144
279. Murdoch supported Obama
FOX News clearly does not. I never said that a CEO has no control over what a company does, but FNC is not bound to every single opinion held by its owner. In the case of WF no one has demonstrated to me that the company has done anything to impede health care reform. FNC is clearly a propaganda outlet which has been caught time and again spreading lies, particularly on this issue. For that reason I submit that FNC is a relevant threat to reform while WF is not.
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beac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 07:01 AM
Response to Reply #135
190. You should Google "Whole Foods" and "unions." n/t
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 07:12 AM
Response to Reply #135
192. Total Union busters
He calls unions 'herpes'. That is the guy you are defending. Me and my family have boycotted these bastards for years, and we already consider those who shop there to be either ignorant yuppies or willing scabs. Now we get to say so without making hipsters cry.
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 07:32 AM
Response to Reply #135
195. Learn a little more about Wholefoods and unions.
This has been a pos company for years and it's nice to see people catching on.
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BREMPRO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 10:42 AM
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247. I'm not boycotting just because of Mackey's opinion...

Many reasons:

He has a right to his opinion and I support his right to express them in any forum he chooses. He mentioned Whole foods many times in the article and it's clear as the chairman of the board, co-founder, and CEO he runs the show. He's is totally out of tune with his customers values and sense of community. His libertarian views in general are an offense to his majority liberal customer base, including myself.

The company has made a practice of swallowing up small independent stores and chains and created regional monopolies. Their corporate model is much like Walmart but with high prices-not good for communities or small businesses. Here in Portland ME, they bought and closed a small independent health food store and bought and closed a popular Wild Oats store in a hostile merger. It was discovered during the acquisition that Mackey had been posting on financial web sites under pseudonyms positive comments about his company and negative ones about Wild Oats. He did this to presumably to lower the stock price of Wild Oats, a highly unethical business practice. He even posted that he like the CEO's (his own)haircut " i think he looks cute"

He also sued another GREAT health food chain "New Seasons" for their financial records during the merger with wild oats claiming he needed them to prove he wasn't creating a monopoly. Right, just more info to help their predatory and anti-competitive practices.

He's anti-union and has resisted all attempts of his employees to unionize. I used to shop at Bread and Circus in Cambridge and the employees seemed happier and more "organic". The feeling in WFM is corporate and not so friendly.

His health care plan, the one he is proposing for the country is a high deductible plan with HSA's which are great for the corporation (saves them money and lowers risk)and the insurance business (increases profits), but not for workers. It discourages preventative care among other problems. It's the same one republicans like McCain were pushing on us during the campaign. His health plan works for WFM bottom line because his employees are generally, young, healthy, and have a high turnover- therefore no long term costs.

I will not shop there again, and plan to shop at farmers markets and travel a bit for a small local independent health food store. All are less expensive and support local business and communities.

When WFM reforms their ways and Mackey steps down, i may consider returning, not until then.

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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 12:26 PM
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257. Whole Foods and Mackey *are* union busters.
Please read the thread. In addition, he and Whole Foods are not entitled to my money.
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jeff30997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 12:32 AM
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136. Margaret Thatcher

An evil union-busting,poor-people-hating,homophobic,Reagan-loving economical catastrophe.
A perfect role model for John Mackey.Fuck Whole Foods.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 01:00 AM
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149. Right . . .and rather than "socialism" it seems its Capitalism which has failed repeatedly and ...
which has taken 13 TRILLION in bailouts paid for by American taxpayers!!!!!

What a crock!!!

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 01:00 AM
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151. I will also ...
make a point of phoning the Customer Service at my store tomorrow --

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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 02:01 AM
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152. I'll bet to him the natural food thing is just a marketing gimmick
He sounds like a republican that has figured out how to take a lot of money out of liberal pockets .

Does the company make any political contributions?
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Xicano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 06:18 AM
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179. I shop at Trader Joe's
n/t
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 08:08 AM
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204. i just finally walked into one here in NC
after having left CA almost two years ago. it was lovely. i hope joe's a good guy!
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nankerphelge Donating Member (995 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 06:39 AM
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180. I'm selling my Whole Foods stock today
n/t
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scentopine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 07:55 AM
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200. U.S health care is filled with toxic ingredients, artificial flavors...
and unnatural fillers. It is an unsustainable system and is causing irreparable damage and human suffering. Insurance companies are trafficking in human flesh and blood and they exploit millions of sick and dying people. There is nothing "green' about our for profit health care system.

I had to re-read Mackey's article several times to make sure I understood what he is trying to say. It is crystal clear. Whole Foods is marketing a fiction that lines up well with many people's beliefs. It was curious that not a word was mentioned about the colossal failure of the "free" market philosophies - wall street banks, health care, energy (e.g. Enron), Iraq oil, auto industry, etc.

Whole Foods is behaving like a monopoly. Adam Smith had plenty to say against that. This is something right wingers choose to ignore. Whether its the bible or Adam Smith right wingers like to thump unproven and irrational dogma.

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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 08:05 AM
Original message
i almost wish i'd ever been inside a WF
just so i could enjoy boycotting it now.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 08:05 AM
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202. I started my own boycott about a year and half ago based on six occasions of
bad food, some nasty-haughty deli employees,an employee who refused to tell me the date on a certain fish I wanted to buy, plus the content in an internet essay about some of their practices for some of the products.

I would occasionally go in for one thing and if I ended up with more than one, I was ticked at myself.

I have good alternatives.

What their leader exemplifies is more than just frosting on the cake.

I feel sorry for most of the employees - some are really into their jobs. Boycotts hurt the little people. But, I already had one going.
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Scout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 08:06 AM
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203. i don't shop there anyway ... too expensive, and i'm just not interested
in most of the products they carry anyway.

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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 08:21 AM
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205. I'm done with Whole Foods for more than his foolish Op/Ed.
He is fiercely anti union too.
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StarfarerBill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 08:28 AM
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206. I liked shopping at Whole Foods, too...
...when I lived in Kansas, and I was hardly wealthy by any stretch.

That said, any corporation, the CEO of which has come out against such an intrinsic right as universal health care, will be boycotted by me until such time as that corporation either: 1. forces the CEO to publicly retract and apologize for their statement, or 2. sacks the CEO.
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Lost-in-FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 08:30 AM
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207. I have only been at "Whole Paycheck" once
Their prices are ridiculous. Then I read they were a Republican owned company. That was enough for me.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 08:31 AM
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208. Despite the boycott, Whole Foods stocks rose last week
http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=WFMI#chart1:symbol=w... ;range=5d;indicator=volume;charttype=line;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=on;source=undefined
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 09:51 AM
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228. Because the neo-cons decided to throw him a bone...
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 09:56 AM
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231. You believe that neo-cons are wasting their money to buy over-valued shares of Whole Foods stock in
Edited on Mon Aug-24-09 10:05 AM by Freddie Stubbs
order to help the CEO? :shrug:
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 10:01 AM
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233. Yes. They stick together from what I've seen. I wish I knew where to find the metrics on
Edited on Mon Aug-24-09 10:09 AM by grahamhgreen
who was buying what stocks - if they exist.

Of course, we still don't know who bought puts on the airlines before 9-11.....
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Kingofalldems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 11:04 AM
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250. If I didn't know better I would say you were taunting DUers---
again. :sarcasm:
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 11:24 AM
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251. No, I am just pointing out an interesting fact
One would think that a company facing a boycott would see its stock prices fall or at the very least stay flat.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 08:50 AM
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213. I visited our local WF twice last week.
I didn't buy anything. I ate a free cookie and engaged about two dozen people in conversation. I just found someone that didn't look like Gordon Gecko and started talking about why I don't shop at WF anymore. A couple wanted proof. I gave them a page with a few pertinent quotes and a dozen urls where they could do their own research.

I know for a fact that there will now be ten families for sure that won't be back to WF. I have faith that at least another 10 are also gong to join us.
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Patiod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 09:31 AM
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223. Just started shopping there this summer
Not impressed with the produce, that's for sure. I also thought the vitamins were expensive, as were meat and frozen foods.

This boycott tipped the scale, and I'm back to my local farm stand, where the prices and quality are excellent, and Trader Joe's, whose produce also sucks but which has better prices on the food I like.

Count me in for the boycott.
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 09:45 AM
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226. Here's a boycott website to search for alternatives
http://wholeboycott.com/2009/08/18/where-to-shop-nation... /

Don't forget to try your local farmer's markets and co-ops.
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 10:07 AM
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235. TEXT OF MACKEY'S OPINION
Edited on Mon Aug-24-09 10:13 AM by grahamhgreen
By JOHN MACKEY

"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out
of other people's money."

Margaret Thatcher

With a projected $1.8 trillion deficit for 2009, several trillions more in deficits projected over the next decade, and with both Medicare and Social Security entitlement spending about to ratchet up several notches over the next 15 years as Baby Boomers become eligible for both, we are rapidly running out of other people's money. These deficits are simply not sustainable. They are either going to result in unprecedented new taxes and inflation, or they will bankrupt us.

While we clearly need health-care reform, the last thing our country needs is a massive new health-care entitlement that will create hundreds of billions of dollars of new unfunded deficits and move us much closer to a government takeover of our health-care system. Instead, we should be trying to achieve reforms by moving in the opposite directiontoward less government control and more individual empowerment. Here are eight reforms that would greatly lower the cost of health care for everyone:



 Remove the legal obstacles that slow the creation of high-deductible health insurance plans and health savings accounts (HSAs). The combination of high-deductible health insurance and HSAs is one solution that could solve many of our health-care problems. For example, Whole Foods Market pays 100% of the premiums for all our team members who work 30 hours or more per week (about 89% of all team members) for our high-deductible health-insurance plan. We also provide up to $1,800 per year in additional health-care dollars through deposits into employees' Personal Wellness Accounts to spend as they choose on their own health and wellness.

Money not spent in one year rolls over to the next and grows over time. Our team members therefore spend their own health-care dollars until the annual deductible is covered (about $2,500) and the insurance plan kicks in. This creates incentives to spend the first $2,500 more carefully. Our plan's costs are much lower than typical health insurance, while providing a very high degree of worker satisfaction.

 Equalize the tax laws so that employer-provided health insurance and individually owned health insurance have the same tax benefits. Now employer health insurance benefits are fully tax deductible, but individual health insurance is not. This is unfair.

 Repeal all state laws which prevent insurance companies from competing across state lines. We should all have the legal right to purchase health insurance from any insurance company in any state and we should be able use that insurance wherever we live. Health insurance should be portable.

 Repeal government mandates regarding what insurance companies must cover. These mandates have increased the cost of health insurance by billions of dollars. What is insured and what is not insured should be determined by individual customer preferences and not through special-interest lobbying.

 Enact tort reform to end the ruinous lawsuits that force doctors to pay insurance costs of hundreds of thousands of dollars per year. These costs are passed back to us through much higher prices for health care.

 Make costs transparent so that consumers understand what health-care treatments cost. How many people know the total cost of their last doctor's visit and how that total breaks down? What other goods or services do we buy without knowing how much they will cost us?

 Enact Medicare reform. We need to face up to the actuarial fact that Medicare is heading towards bankruptcy and enact reforms that create greater patient empowerment, choice and responsibility.

 Finally, revise tax forms to make it easier for individuals to make a voluntary, tax-deductible donation to help the millions of people who have no insurance and aren't covered by Medicare, Medicaid or the State Children's Health Insurance Program.

Many promoters of health-care reform believe that people have an intrinsic ethical right to health careto equal access to doctors, medicines and hospitals. While all of us empathize with those who are sick, how can we say that all people have more of an intrinsic right to health care than they have to food or shelter?

Health care is a service that we all need, but just like food and shelter it is best provided through voluntary and mutually beneficial market exchanges. A careful reading of both the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution will not reveal any intrinsic right to health care, food or shelter. That's because there isn't any. This "right" has never existed in America

Even in countries like Canada and the U.K., there is no intrinsic right to health care. Rather, citizens in these countries are told by government bureaucrats what health-care treatments they are eligible to receive and when they can receive them. All countries with socialized medicine ration health care by forcing their citizens to wait in lines to receive scarce treatments.

Although Canada has a population smaller than California, 830,000 Canadians are currently waiting to be admitted to a hospital or to get treatment, according to a report last month in Investor's Business Daily. In England, the waiting list is 1.8 million.

At Whole Foods we allow our team members to vote on what benefits they most want the company to fund. Our Canadian and British employees express their benefit preferences very clearlythey want supplemental health-care dollars that they can control and spend themselves without permission from their governments. Why would they want such additional health-care benefit dollars if they already have an "intrinsic right to health care"? The answer is clearno such right truly exists in either Canada or the U.K.or in any other country.

Rather than increase government spending and control, we need to address the root causes of poor health. This begins with the realization that every American adult is responsible for his or her own health.

Unfortunately many of our health-care problems are self-inflicted: two-thirds of Americans are now overweight and one-third are obese. Most of the diseases that kill us and account for about 70% of all health-care spendingheart disease, cancer, stroke, diabetes and obesityare mostly preventable through proper diet, exercise, not smoking, minimal alcohol consumption and other healthy lifestyle choices.

Recent scientific and medical evidence shows that a diet consisting of foods that are plant-based, nutrient dense and low-fat will help prevent and often reverse most degenerative diseases that kill us and are expensive to treat. We should be able to live largely disease-free lives until we are well into our 90s and even past 100 years of age.

Health-care reform is very important. Whatever reforms are enacted it is essential that they be financially responsible, and that we have the freedom to choose doctors and the health-care services that best suit our own unique set of lifestyle choices. We are all responsible for our own lives and our own health. We should take that responsibility very seriously and use our freedom to make wise lifestyle choices that will protect our health. Doing so will enrich our lives and will help create a vibrant and sustainable American society.

Mr. Mackey is co-founder and CEO of Whole Foods Market Inc.


- these are mostly far-right talking points, IMHO. - We need medicare for all (http://www.pnhp.org ) if we are going to become a first world nation again.
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 10:18 AM
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241. Huh.
What a stupid man. I think he knew his own hypocrisy, and in that editorial he's trying to convince his own sad self more than the rest of us.

I hardly ever shop there - too expensive, and too far away for more than the occasional visit when I'm in that neighborhood. I won't go there again.
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Serge A Storms Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 10:31 AM
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245. I don't buy much there but I have no plans to stop shopping there
I mostly shop at my local place that Ive been patronizing for 25+ years

I do like the free samples at whole foods and their Cheese pizza is Great

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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 10:51 AM
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248. So someone just put a Whole Foods "ad" on the "big board" at the top of DU...
Perhaps someone else should make an "anti-Whole Foods" ad up there now...
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heliarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 11:01 AM
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249. Whole paycheck is out.
I used to buy from them on specific hard to find items. But we started to boycott them last week just as we heard the news.

The Mackey statement is uniquely perfect for his typical consumer to oppose. I'm guessing that statement will hurt his business quite a bit. there's a good $100 dollars every couple weeks from us that won't be going there anymore.

Best,
Martin
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 11:37 AM
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253. I assume that all of his part time and full time employees have great insurance???
Just curious... and just FUCK him for saying that health insurance is NOT a right! I hate that! That's the type of thinking that has perpetuated the caste system in India. Asshole. I'll never shop there again.
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ItNerd4life Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 12:33 PM
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258. Isn't his idea truly a liberal idea?
It is different than 'let the government do everything' like many Democrats seem to want.

I have no problems with what he is proposing. I do want some type of care for those who don't have covereage.

Why not just have the government run the 'safety net' instead of the whole system?

I truly don't understand people who are opposed to his ideas. Do we want government providing food and shelter as well?
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 02:03 PM
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260. This thread did rather well. I'm surprised.
Let's hope the boycott works.
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mamaleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 03:52 PM
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264. Oh no. Whatever will the holier than though organic arugula crowd do
if they have to rub elbows with us lowlifes in the regular grocery store?
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 04:10 PM
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265. Um what?
oh so you agree with what mackey said? You are anti-health care and anti-union?
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mamaleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 04:12 PM
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266. LOL. Nice try.
Have you ever seen the threads around here bashing anyone that dares set foot into a WalMart or a common grocery store?

They exist.

I do not shop at Whole Foods and never have. But all those who felt they were being better than everyone else by doing so must be having a time with this.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 04:21 PM
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267. wow, just wow.
fail.

You have some bizarro chip on your shoulder. You sound like a lot of closet repukes around here. pissed at people who can afford to buy "quality food". (I just want to say that whole foods produce, isn't necessarily quality or "green")

I shopped at whole foods and I also shop at the local grocery store, so what does that make me? A half snob?

man, you have some anger issues.

stop creating drama for drama sake.

I have stopped shopping at whole foods completely now. I have lived in Austin for almost 20 years and have known full well of mackey's insanity and I have supported the local workers in trying to form a union. However, when he starts making statements regarding national health care with insane screeds aimed at the very same people who shop at his store, that's where I draw the line.

So again, I ask you, do you hate whole foods because they are anti-union/anti-health care or do you support mackey's insanity and choose to aim your anger at the people who shop there?

THAT would be as you say, "a nice try".

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mamaleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 04:34 PM
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269. I have never liked Whole Foods.
Totally overpriced. And for what reason? For the joy of shopping there? No thanks. I really do not care who shops where, I just dislike the snobs that think they are better for shopping at Whole Foods. And it being more expensive does not automatically bestow quality on it. I pay a lot more for kosher chicken. It doesn't make it one iota better than regular chicken.

And no I do not agree with Mackey's statements at all. I already didn't shop there and now I have more reason not to do so.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 06:12 PM
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273. well now, that is a more sane response.
have you seen Food, inc? if not, I suggest you do, you might change your mind about how you go about getting your chicken. If you get it straight from the farmer, you are okay, if you think that just because it's kosher means it's safe, you have a lot of studying to do.

There is a lot of food snobbery on display at whole foods, I completely agree. Many people shop there thinking they are getting organic food. But what they never seem to take into account is food miles. They maybe getting an organic whatever there, but it was probably transported half way around the earth. That is a classic example of food snobbery.

They just want "organic" but don't give a damn as to where it comes from.

I get about 65% of my produce from farmers market, I grown about another 20%, all my meat comes from the farmers market as well (I know the farmer that raises the animals, how they are fed, where his feed comes from, how they are watered and how they are slaughtered - been to a couple myself) and get the balance from the grocery store. Generally, I don't buy anything that 1) I have no idea where it came from 2) if it's not local, I don't buy it.

I refuse to support big ag or mass producing cattle farms.

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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 05:13 PM
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271. Why such vitriol for those who choose to spend according to their politics?
That's the pot calling the kettle holier-than-thou.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 10:19 PM
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276. Organic arugula is good wherever you buy it -- same for organic carrots . . .
All for health!

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 04:30 PM
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268. Any news from the front lines yet . . .??? Any apology coming from Mackey . . .????
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 06:14 PM
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274. well their stock was down about. 2.25% today. nt
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 10:17 PM
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275. Called my store today . . .
things sounded normal at customer service -- I forgot to ask whether they had

an picketers. Delivered my message. Said I hoped for change at WF.

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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 04:29 PM
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278. Never been to Whole Paycheck..but if he quoted Thatcher that is reason enough to never go there...
...Fuck Thatcher and anyone that thinks that b*tch served any useful purpose other than being eventual rose fertilizer...
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