(Michigan) County Commissioner Compares Obama to Hitler

[sabra]

Source: WLNS

A Jackson County commissioner is under fire after comparing President Obama to Adolf Hitler. In a picture from last week's health care rally in front of Congressman Mark Schauers Office, the man that carried the swastika sign is Commissioner Phil Duckham. He also spoke to a local newspaper comparing Obama to the Nazi leader. Jewish groups and Michigan democrats called on the commissioner to apologize.

I. Matthew Miller, anti-defamation league: "To use the swastika, to use Hitler, to do so is not appropriate American political discussion. There are not other reasons to use the swastika or compare anyone to Hitler except to make people angry and inflame people."

In a phone call, Duckham told 6 News, if he could do it over again, he wouldn't bring the swastika sign. He's expected to be at the county commissioners meeting.

Read more: http://www.wlns.com/Global/story.asp?S=10951698&nav=menu25_2

[SDuderstadt]

1. We'd be in a far superior position here...

if numerous DUers had not compared Bush to Hitler. Sigh.

[C_eh_N_eh_D_eh]

2. Someone once said...

... I think it was Molly Ivins, that George W. Bush is definitely not Hitler - but he could be if he'd only apply himself.

[Downwinder]

16. Hitler didn't go AWOL, he completed his service.

[saigon68]

26. "BRING EM ON" shouted the AWOL CHIMPANZEE

[No Elephants]

57. Sounds like Molly. She is missed.

I think Dummya was more like an evil fool, though.

[jwirr]

3. I also recall that we did not so much call *ss hitler as suggest that

some of his methods resembled those used by hitler. In example the hitler had something similar to the Patriot Act which enabled his takeover of the government.

[Octafish]

4. We'd be in a better position if more people knew the true story about Hitler-Bush link.

This isn't a subject that's enjoyable to write about, let alone research.
Yet, it's something Americans and all people who want to live in freedom need to know.

Know your BFEE: Like a NAZI

Here's the rest of the story:

Know your BFEE: Spawn of Wall Street and the Third Reich

Those who read the above DU posts: What is not true?

[SDuderstadt]

5. See? This is what I mean...

nevermind, Octafish.

[Octafish]

10. Show me what's false in what I wrote. I'd be happy to apologize.

Insinuating the story isn't true often prevents people from learning the truth about the Bush-Hitler connection.

Here's something I forgot to include above:

How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power

Rumours of a link between the US first family and the Nazi war machine have circulated for decades. Now the Guardian can reveal how repercussions of events that culminated in action under the Trading with the Enemy Act are still being felt by today's president

Ben Aris in Berlin and Duncan Campbell in Washington The Guardian, Saturday 25 September 2004 23.59 BST Article historyGeorge Bush's grandfather, the late US senator Prescott Bush, was a director and shareholder of companies that profited from their involvement with the financial backers of Nazi Germany.
The Guardian has obtained confirmation from newly discovered files in the US National Archives that a firm of which Prescott Bush was a director was involved with the financial architects of Nazism.

His business dealings, which continued until his company's assets were seized in 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act, has led more than 60 years later to a civil action for damages being brought in Germany against the Bush family by two former slave labourers at Auschwitz and to a hum of pre-election controversy.

The evidence has also prompted one former US Nazi war crimes prosecutor to argue that the late senator's action should have been grounds for prosecution for giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

The debate over Prescott Bush's behaviour has been bubbling under the surface for some time. There has been a steady internet chatter about the "Bush/Nazi" connection, much of it inaccurate and unfair. But the new documents, many of which were only declassified last year, show that even after America had entered the war and when there was already significant information about the Nazis' plans and policies, he worked for and profited from companies closely involved with the very German businesses that financed Hitler's rise to power. It has also been suggested that the money he made from these dealings helped to establish the Bush family fortune and set up its political dynasty.

Remarkably, little of Bush's dealings with Germany has received public scrutiny, partly because of the secret status of the documentation involving him. But now the multibillion dollar legal action for damages by two Holocaust survivors against the Bush family, and the imminent publication of three books on the subject are threatening to make Prescott Bush's business history an uncomfortable issue for his grandson, George W, as he seeks re-election

CONTINUED...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar

The Media Monopoly must've accidently missed that story, too, huh SDuderstadt?

[SDuderstadt]

15. Like I said, dude...

nevermind. And I never insinuated anything.

[Octafish]

18. Let's be clear on the difference between who's a NAZI, then.

The NAZIs killed people.
Good people help people.

Completely different from Bush.

With his warmongering, family history, and political ideology,
Bush is has used his office to bring death, pain and ruin to millions of innocent people.
Even his own words demonstrate the Bush-NAZI connection:

"Money Trumps Peace. Sometimes."

That shouldn't be a problem for anyone to explain or understand.

[SDuderstadt]

23. Dude...

Hitler was a despotic dictator who rounded up 6-8 million people (probably more) shipped them off to concentration camps, gassed them to death, then cremated them. I'm sure in your little black and white world, you can equate Bush to Hitler. You're an embarrassment to liberalism in general and DU in particular.

[Octafish]

25. Coming from you, that’s quite a compliment.

Something else we don't agree on, SDuderstadt:



Even though he's your avatar, your flag, as it were, you side with the Establishment version that states Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone assassin of President John F. Kennedy. See: The Medical Evidence Pertaining to the JFK Assassination from the Doctors Who Tried to Save his Life

George Herbert Walker Bush also prescribes to that theory. I side with Frank Church, Mike Gravel, Henry Gonzalez, Otis Pike, Jack Brooks. You know, liberal and progressive Democrats.

They never said they knew what happened that day, but they wanted to find out. That was in the 1970s and 1980s. I guess you’d really agree that it’s too bad the Establishment Democrats and Republicans teamed up to shut them down and shut them up.

[SDuderstadt]

41. You forgot to mention that...

RFK and EMK also subscribed to the findings of the Warren Commission.

Let me ask a clarifying question. Are you asserting that one cannot be a liberal, progressive Democrat and believe that Oswald killed JFK?

[Octafish]

43. Robert F. Kennedy was the first 'Conspiracy Theorist.'

David Talbot details Robert F. Kennedy's analysis in his book, "Brothers."

One friend of Ted Kennedy said Teddy brought up his suspicions once, and never again. Sorry I don't have a link from this computer.

Regarding your question: No, one can be a liberal, progressive Democrat and believe Oswald killed JFK. It's just such a person is an embarassment.

[SDuderstadt]

44. Only to you, dude...

I prefer to live in an evidence based world...and the evidence against Oswald is overwhelming. More importantly, in a few more months, you will have had 46 years to solve the JFK assassination. What are you waiting for?

[Octafish]

56. To get the truth, we need evidence suppressed by a certain NAZI-stuffed US Government organization.

The CIA withheld important information, such as the Oswald impersonater in Mexico City, from the Warren Commission. A group of researchers is trying, 45-plus years on, to get them to turn over JFK assassination related files. When the House Select Committee on Assassinations investigated in the late 1970s, CIA officer George Joannides was charged as liason. It so happened that in November, 1963, the same Joannides was PAYMASTER for CIA Plot Linking Oswald to CASTRO.

Small world, huh? It's no fun pointing out these coincidences, like this fact curiously missing from American history and any mention of the Warren Commission; that is the governmental, business, and social connections of Warren Commission members John McCloy and Allen Dulles to prominent NAZIs.



Of course, if we had honest disclosures from CIA, various Administrations and Congress, we'd know the truth about all this. We'd also be a lot closer to bringing justice to those who assassinated President Kennedy 45-plus years ago.

[SDuderstadt]

61. Dude...think this through....

if the CIA was going to have someone impersonate oswald, why in the world would they choose someone who looks nothing like him? This is why 46 years later, you guys have produced exactly:

[Octafish]

62. Sez you. Read James Douglass and learn.

What we've learned has been summed up James Douglass in JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters.

An expert review:

JFK and the Unspeakable

by James W. Douglass
Reviewed by James DiEugenio

EXCERPT...

This is one of the few books on the Kennedy case that I actually wished was longer. In the purest sense, Jim Douglass is not a natural writer. But it seems to me he has labored meticulously to fashion a well organized, thoroughly documented, and felicitously composed piece of workmanship that is both comprehensible and easy to read. These attributes do not extend from simplicity of design or lack of ambition. This book takes in quite a lot of territory. In some ways it actually extends the frontier. In others it actually opens new paths. To achieve that kind of scope with a relative economy of means, and to make the experience both fast and pleasant, is quite an achievement.

I should inform the reader at the outset: this is not just a book about JFK's assassination. I would estimate that the book is 2/3 about Kennedy's presidency and 1/3 about his assassination. And I didn't mind that at all, because Douglass almost seamlessly knits together descriptions of several of Kennedy's policies with an analysis of how those policies were both monitored and resisted, most significantly in Cuba and Vietnam. This is one of the things that makes the book enlightening and worthy of understanding.

One point of worthwhile comparison would be to David Talbot's previous volume Brothers. In my view, Douglass' book is better. One of my criticisms of Talbot's book was that I didn't think his analysis of certain foreign policy areas was rigorous or comprehensive enough. You can't say that about Douglass. I also criticized Talbot for using questionable witnesses like Angelo Murgado and Timothy Leary to further certain dubious episodes about Kennedy's life and/or programs. Douglass avoided that pitfall.

One way that Douglass achieves this textured effect is in his quest for new sources. One of the problems I had with many Kennedy assassination books for a long time is their insularity. That is, they all relied on pretty much the same general established bibliography. In my first book, Destiny Betrayed, I tried to break out of that mildewed and restrictive mold. I wanted to widen the lens in order to place the man and the crime in a larger perspective. Douglass picks up that ball and runs with it. There are sources he utilizes here that have been terribly underused, and some that haven't been used before. For instance, unlike Talbot, Douglass sources Richard Mahoney's extraordinary JFK:Ordeal in Africa, one of the finest books ever written on President Kennedy's foreign policy. To fill in the Kennedy-Castro back channel of 1963 he uses In the Eye of the Storm by Carlos Lechuga and William Attwood's The Twilight Struggle. On Kennedy and Vietnam the author utilizes Anne Blair's Lodge in Vietnam, Ellen Hammer's A Death in November, and Zalin Grant's Facing the Phoenix. And these works allow Douglass to show us how men like Henry Cabot Lodge and Lucien Conein did not just obstruct, but actually subverted President Kennedy's wishes in Saigon. On the assassination side, Douglass makes good use of that extraordinary feat of research Harvey and Lee by John Armstrong, the difficult to get manuscript by Roger Craig, When They Kill a President, plus the work of little known authors in the field like Bruce Adamson and hard to get manuscripts like Edwin Black's exceptional essay on the Chicago plot. Further, he interviewed relatively new witnesses like Butch Burroughs and the survivors of deceased witnesses like Thomas Vallee, Bill Pitzer and Ralph Yates. In the use of these persons and sources, Douglass has pushed the envelope forward.

But it's not just what is in the book. It is how it is molded together that deserves attention. For instance, in the first chapter, Douglass is describing the Cuban Missile Crisis at length (using the newest transcription of the secretly recorded tapes by Sheldon Stern.) He then segues to Kennedy's American University speech. At this point, Douglass then introduces the figure of Lee Harvey Oswald and his relation to the U-2 (p. 37). This is beautifully done because he has been specifically discussing the U-2 flights over Cuba during the Missile Crisis, and he subliminally matches both Kennedy and Oswald in their most extreme Cold War backdrops. He then switches back to the American University speech, contrasting its rather non-descript reception in the New York Times with its joyous welcome in Russia, thus showing that Kennedy's efforts for détente were more appreciated by his presumed enemy than by the domestic pundit class.

CONTINUED for 18 pages...

http://www.ctka.net/2008/jfk_unspeakable.html

How you see nothing is your problem, SDuderstadt.

[SDuderstadt]

64. Brilliant...the Douglass book reviewed by the ''Black Op Radio''

stalwart and Prouty devotee, DiEugenio. Having DiEugenio review Douglass is like walking into McDonald's and asking, ''does anyone here like fast food?''.

Again, dude, simple question: why would the CIA hire someone who looks nothing like Oswald to ''impersonate'' him? Can you answer that question?

[Octafish]

66. Hitler ''learned'' from American eugenicists.

While the German army was pretty nasty in World War I, Hitler really learned how to be a NAZI from American eugenecists:

Know your BFEE: Eugenics and the NAZIs - The California Connection

In answer to your question: The guy impersonating Oswald may or may not have been the guy in the picture. I'd like to find out more about it.

Here's why: Oswald in Mexico City case demonstrates CIA obstruction of justice in regards to the assassination of President Kennedy. CIA documents were withheld from the FBI and Warren Commission that demonstrated the government was observing Oswald -- one month before the assassination. Among the information that was withheld from the public, is evidence that a man impersonated Oswald at the Cuban and Soviet embassies, attempting to establish Oswald’s pro-commie political bona fides.

If you want to learn what we know, read:

Our Man in Mexico

I can guarantee you, SDuderstadt, you’ll learn a lot.

[SDuderstadt]

67. Or, you might learn that the reason...

the CIA mistakenly submitted that photo of "Oswald" is because they had no idea what he looked like.

The problem with all your goofy JFK "theories", Octafish, is because you fail to account for all the simpler alternative explanations for events. And, therein lies the problem with most conspiracy theorists. You automatically interpret every anomaly as evidence FOR the conspiracy theory, because you start with the conclusion first.

[Octafish]

68. Answer my question: Where did I post something that wasn't true?

You can't. So you call me a "theorist." Reads a lot like: "conspiracy theorist."

Doesn't matter if that's what you meant. Either way, people interested in the truth don't really care what others call them.

[Ian David]

28. At some point, even Hitler wasn't Hitler yet. Your ignorance of history is appalling.

The words "Never Again" are useless when you refuse to recognize when you're on the path to fascism.

If you think that's stupid, then call Thom Hartman and argue with him. He'd show more patience for arguing with you than I would.

[SDuderstadt]

40. WTF are you talking about, dude?

n/t

[24601]

37. I believe the concentration number was around 12 million, and

6 million of those were the Jews. It's also reasonable to lay, even if indirectly, most of the WWII death & destruction at Hitler's feet and Russia (then the USSR) alone probably lost 20 million.

Hitler, along with Stalin & Mao, clearly ranks in the elite tier of 20th Century murdering dictators.

There is no American anywhere in the history of the United States that even comes close.

I don't know who said it first, but I agree that the first to invoke a comparison to Hitler automatically loses the debate.

[ProudDad]

46. You might want to brush up on your reading skills

Few have said that bush=hitler...

bush IS and acted Fascist -- the mouthpiece and tool of the corporate state that is the USAmerikan Empire...

Now Barack is the kinder-gentler mouthpiece and tool of the corporate state that is the USAmerikan Empire...

--------------------------------

Although bush is directly and indirectly responsible for at least one million needless deaths in 8 years and a war criminal.

The major difference I suppose is that he didn't have absolute power and he wasn't at it for the full 13 years that Adolph had...

Hitler and bush were about even in body count during the first 8 years...

Thank Dog for the 22nd Amendment...

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On edit: but don't take my word for it. My girlfriend's mother is German. She lived through Nazi Germany and World War II. She was seriously frightened by the bushies and by USAmerika during the bush reign of terra -- she recognized it from the 1930s -- same rhetoric, same programs, same fascist proto-state.

[SDuderstadt]

47. Well, you're right...

i won't take your word for it. Thanks.

[ProudDad]

49. Ah, it appears you're not convinced by facts either...

[SDuderstadt]

50. No, I don't believe something's a "fact" merely because...

you proclaim it to be, dude...

[ProudDad]

63. Who does get to proclaim facts, "dude"?

You won't accept the word of someone who was ACTUALLY living in Nazi Germany that the atmosphere in USAmerika under bush was so similar that she was frightened...

Who does get to proclaim your "dudely" facts?

[SDuderstadt]

65. Whoever has the concrete proof, dude and...

no, I won't ''accept'' the word of your ''source''. It's astonishing to me that I'd have to explain to you why. How would anyone be able to confirm your ''source'' actually exists? Take your word for it? I don't think so.

Secondly, even if your ''source'' exists, that's her opinion, which hardly establishes it as fact. More importantly, it's anecdotal. If I were to find a Holocaust survivor who didn't think Bush was like Hitler, would that prove he wasn't like Hitler? Hint: no.

Last but not least, notice my last name? That's about as German as they come, dude. In fact, there is a town named after my family a short distance from Magdeburg. Does that make me an expert? No. But I still have relatives who live there and I'm certain I could find several who lived under the Nazis.

My point is, just as it's reprehensible for some GOP to liken Obama to Hitler, it's also reprensible for us to liken Bush to Hitler. It's a cheap and overused political trick.

[Ian David]

6. We'd be in a better position if Bush had actually stood trial for his Hitler-Like actions...

... but our own "leadership" fucked us on THAT, too.

The only Senator worth keeping is Barbara Boxer.

[Octafish]

12. Torture. Illegal domestic spying. Lying America into war.

By any measure -- including our Constitution, our nation of laws, our history and our national soul -- the United States must investigate and prosecute the traitors, war criminals and corruption of Bush and his cronies. There are more than a million innocent people killed by a man who lied America into attacking two nations which had NOTHING to do with 9-11.

Where'd Smirko learn all that? His grandpappy Prescott.

Smedley Butler Stopped American Fascist Conspiracy to Overthrow FDR

Pres learned a lot about modern finance from his own dear old dad, Samuel -- plus his father-in-law, George Herbert Walker.

They had their good sides, as all people do. The thing is, their bad sides caused a lot of bad. And our world needs that to stop so We the People can do some serious working together.

[GoddessOfGuinness]

20. +1

[TankLV]

13. We'd be in a far superior position if all the bush*-Hitler connections

weren't so ACTIVELY ignored or pooh poohed...

sometimes the TRUTH hurts...!!!

that does NOT make the bush*/Hitler comparisons WRONG at all...

the bush*/Hitler comparisons were VALID.

the Obama/Hitler comparisons are BULLSHIT - and made by the self same bush* BROWNSHIRTS!!!

Ask any Jewish person who was in Germany during the 30's or any Jewish family member who had a relative that did - and they would FURTIVELY tell you how MUCH like HITLER and the NAZI's bush* and the REPUKES were/are...

[Alcibiades]

14. We're not elected officials

We're folks posting anonymously (for the most part) on the Internet. Big difference. In fact, it's amazing that things are as civil and sane as they are at DU (though I think some folks miss the acrimony of the last presidential primary).

[No Elephants]

58. +1 (on difference between DU poster and elected official)

I am one of those who was not here for the primary.

[UpInArms]

19. even Fox news must be guilty of that comparison then

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,100474,00.html

FOXNEWS.COM HOME > POLITICS
Documents: Bush's Grandfather Directed Bank Tied to Man Who Funded Hitler

Friday, October 17, 2003

WASHINGTON — President Bush's grandfather was a director of a bank seized by the federal government because of its ties to a German industrialist who helped bankroll Adolf Hitler's rise to power, government documents show.

Prescott Bush (search) was one of seven directors of Union Banking Corp. (search), a New York investment bank owned by a bank controlled by the Thyssen family, according to recently declassified National Archives documents reviewed by The Associated Press.

Fritz Thyssen (search) was an early financial supporter of Hitler, whose Nazi party Thyssen believed was preferable to communism. The documents do not show any evidence Bush directly aided that effort. His position with Union Banking never was a political issue for Bush, who was elected to the Senate from Connecticut in 1952.

Reports of Bush's involvement with the seized bank have been circulating on the Internet for years and have been reported by some mainstream media. The newly declassified documents provide additional details about the Union Banking-Thyssen connection.

Trent Duffy, a spokesman for President Bush, declined to comment.

Union Banking was owned by a Dutch bank, Bank voor Handel en Scheepvaardt N.V., which was "closely affiliated" with the German conglomerate United Steel Works, according to an Oct. 5, 1942, report from the federal Office of Alien Property Custodian. The Dutch bank and the steel firm were part of the business and financial empire of Thyssen and his brother, Heinrich Thyssen-Bornemisza, the report said.

The 4,000 Union Banking shares owned by the Dutch bank were registered in the names of the seven U.S. directors, according a document signed by Homer Jones, chief of the division of investigation and research of the Office of Alien Property Custodian, a World War II-era agency that no longer exists.

E. Roland Harriman, the bank chairman and brother of former New York Gov. W. Averell Harriman (search), held 3,991 shares. Bush had one share.

Both Harrimans and Bush were partners in the New York investment firm of Brown Brothers, Harriman and Co., which handled the financial transactions of the bank as well as other financial dealings with several other companies linked to Bank voor Handel that were confiscated by the U.S. government during World War II.

Union Banking was seized by the government in October 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act (search).

No charges were brought against Union Banking's American directors. The federal government was too busy trying to fight the war, said Donald Goldstein, a professor of public and international affairs at the University of Pittsburgh.

...more...

or this newspaper?

http://www.nhgazette.com/the-bushnazi-stories/bushnazi-link-confirmed/

Bush/Nazi Link Confirmed

from The New Hampshire Gazette
Vol. 248, No. 1, October 10, 2003

By John Buchanan

WASHINGTON – After 60 years of inattention and even denial by the U.S. media, newly-uncovered government documents in The National Archives and Library of Congress reveal that Prescott Bush, the grandfather of President George W. Bush, served as a business partner of and U.S. banking operative for the financial architect of the Nazi war machine from 1926 until 1942, when Congress took aggressive action against Bush and his “enemy national” partners.

The documents also show that Bush and his colleagues, according to reports from the U.S. Department of the Treasury and FBI, tried to conceal their financial alliance with German industrialist Fritz Thyssen, a steel and coal baron who, beginning in the mid-1920s, personally funded Adolf Hitler’s rise to power by the subversion of democratic principle and German law.

Furthermore, the declassified records demonstrate that Bush and his associates, who included E. Roland Harriman, younger brother of American icon W. Averell Harriman, and George Herbert Walker, President Bush’s maternal great-grandfather, continued their dealings with the German industrial baron for nearly eight months after the U.S. entered the war.

No Story?

For six decades these historical facts have gone unreported by the mainstream U.S. media. The essential facts have appeared on the Internet and in relatively obscure books, but were dismissed by the media and Bush family as undocumented diatribes. This story has also escaped the attention of “official” Bush biographers, Presidential historians and publishers of U.S. history books covering World War II and its aftermath.

The White House did not respond to phone calls seeking comment.

The Summer of ‘42

The unraveling of the web of Bush-Harriman-Thyssen U.S. enterprises, all of which operated out of the same suite of offices at 39 Broadway under the supervision of Prescott Bush, began with a story that ran in the New York Herald-Tribune on July 30, 1942. By then, the U.S. had been at war with Germany for nearly eight months.

“Hitler’s Angel Has $3 Million in U.S. Bank,” declared the headline. The lead paragraph characterized Fritz Thyssen as “Adolf Hitler’s original patron a decade ago.” In fact, the steel and coal magnate had aggressively supported and funded Hitler since October 1923, according to Thyssen’s autobiography, I Paid Hitler. In that book, Thyssen also acknowledges his direct personal relationships with Adolf Hitler, Joseph Goebbels and Rudolf Hess.

The Herald-Tribune also cited unnamed sources who suggested Thyssen’s U.S. “nest egg” in fact belonged to “Nazi bigwigs” including Goebbels, Hermann Goering, Heinrich Himmler, or even Hitler himself.

...more...

no, SDuderstadt, it's deniers of truth that cause such problems.

I'm reminded of that old saw: Either you are part of the problem or part of the solution. You choose your part.

[JonQ]

31. So the grandfather

had dealings with a company that had dealings with nazi germany, a secondary or tertiary association at best, and that proves all his descendants are in fact hitler? Sins of the father and all that.

I guess JFK was nothing more than a bootlegger and gangster then.

I'm sure most of the country, including most of our presidents can find at least one slave owner if they go back far enough in their lineage, are they all slaveowners?

Oh dear, what if you're related to one of the roman soldiers who nailed christ to the cross? Oh he's going to be pissed when you get to the pearly gates, because essentially you did it.

[RetiredTrotskyite]

32. At Least In Bush's Case...

the comparison made some sense.

[JonQ]

34. Indeed

a concept I've been trying to get through to people, so far with little success.

So far the responses have fallen in either A) we never did that, no one ever compared bush to hitler or B) that's different, bush is hitler, but obama isn't. Just like when protesters are labeled as traitors and unamerican: it's ok when we do it, absolutely despicable (because it's true!) and fascist when they do it.

Right.

[ProudDad]

45. Bush and his boys ARE fascist

As is most of the republican and some of the Democratic party...

Obama is not.

He's a deluded, narcissistic "centrist" trying to get everyone to like him, but he's NOT a fascist...

That's the difference...

We are in a superior position because we can recognize the difference between basic truths and a pile of bullshit ...

[Swede]

69. Holocaust in Iraq 1 Million Killed, 4.5 Million Displaced, 1-2 Million Widows, 5 Million Orphans

For an unnecessary war that he started. He's no piker.

[SDuderstadt]

71. Dude...

No one is defending Bush for starting a stupid war. However, can you provide some sort of verifiable source for those numbers? Have you fact-checked your claim at all?

[WriteDown]

7. Pathetic nt

[Purveyor]

8. Also see related: County Commissioner carries swastika sign to protest Obama (Michigan)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=8587783

[Name removed]

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[demosincebirth]

11. Many republicans of that day didn't have any qualms with Hitler and the Nazis

[Octafish]

54. In 1933, many GOPers wanted the USA to be led by a 'man on a white horse.'

Very fascistic imagery, that. So, they asked Major General Smedley Butler to be the man, and lead the overthrow of FDR. The BBC investigated the story and found thegroup which included Prescott Bush, father to George HW Bush and grandfather to George W Bush.



A Man on Horseback

[Vektor]

17. Kinda dumb since Hitler was a right winger.

Do the dumb-ass Republicans ever think before they speak?

[GoddessOfGuinness]

21. Of course not.

They're the Kindadumbass Party.

They babble on and expect everyone to nod their heads in agreement regardless of whether they're spouting bullshit or not.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

22. Apologize?

The word is "resign."

[No Elephants]

59. People have been called upon to resign for racist comments, but remarks about

politicians are very different. It's pretty much open season all the time on politicians. Political speech is the most highly protected by the First Amendment, too.

Thing is, he didn't even apologize, except for the swastika.

[Fluffdaddy]

24. Tell mr Duckham how you feel about him. Contact Info below

http://www.co.jackson.mi.us/Commissioners/Dist4.asp

Philip S. Duckham
Home Number: [phone]
Work Number: [phone]
Cell: [phone]
E-mail:[email protected]


Duckham, Philip S. III (Phil)
11610 Waterman Road
Brooklyn, MI 49230

[SavageDem]

29. I did this last night. Here is my email and his response:

Phil,

You are a disgrace to Jackson County, the State of Michigan, and the
United States. Your inflammatory, dishonest, misleading, and divisive
comments comparing President Obama to Adolf Hitler show that you have no
business in county - or any - government.

There is always a place for open and honest debate on issues, but your
comments about President Obama are patently false and unpatriotic. I
find it amusing that you make a point (on your county web page) of
stating that you are an active member of Brooklyn Presbyterian Church -
and you probably even /think/ you are a Christian - yet it is obvious
that you don't know the first thing about Christianity. You have no
regard for the poor and less fortunate, which - if you really /are/ an
active member of your church - you might recall are the people that
Jesus consistently calls on us to care for. Which health care for all
would do.

If you have any honor, you'll do the right thing for Jackson County
*and* Michigan and resign your office immediately.

----------------------------------------

Phil's response (sent at 4:43am):

This is your attempt to excersie your freedom of speech, I also have that right,, you do not have to agree with me nor I with you but that is our right.
Regards
Phil

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[Crowman1979]

30. Oh WTF?!?!? That's where I'm originally from!

All of those rethugs like to post there BS on the Jackson Cit-Pat's message board! Most of them live out in Blackman, Summit & Leoni townships because they are too scared s***less to live in the city of Jackson, which is only 20% African-American! Racist F***s!

The last time I was back home in Jackson, nearly all of the tool & die shops were closed up all over the place! The Unemployment rate is +15% and the people there are in DIRE need of a public option!

So F*** YOU Phil Duckman!!!

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[RetiredTrotskyite]

35. I'm Ashamed I Was Born in Michigan...

or even lived there. It's a bacwards shithole and I was happy to have been able to leave.

[Crowman1979]

39. Could be worse! I'm from the same county as that dumbass commissioner!

[Octafish]

42. Lot of good people from Jackson.

Tony Dungy, for one.

[Crowman1979]

52. Tony Dungy is the most famous resident of Jackson, MI.

I even went to Junior High at Parkside, which is where he went to High School a couple decades earlier.

Alfred Worden, an astronaut in the Apollo 15 mission, graduated from Jackson High School!

My grandfather was on all-michigan HS team in the Detroit Free Press back in 1936.

[No Elephants]

60. The problem with the County Cmr is that he is a Republican, not that he is a Michiganite.

[blue_onyx]

73. You are clueless

Michigan is a great state and I'm proud to be from here. The ironic thing is you live in Indiana and you're making comments like these.

[KansDem]

36. What's with all the Schicklgruber fetishes of late?

Man, these folks are maniacal about Adolph!

Maybe they'd love to sit down and have a chat with him...

[slampoet]

38. My first guess was, "I bet this is in lower West Michigan." Glad to see i was wrong, sort of.

[and-justice-for-all]

48. The use of Hitler is a clear indication of deperation by the bigots...

it is also called projection.

[Jennicut]

51. Once again Fascism is confused with socialism, communism, capitalism

and all the other stuff mixed in between.

[Crowman1979]

53. What I find ironic is that all of these Glenn Beck fans are screaming at a place where...

...the anti-secession movement started back in the 1850's.

[deep1]

55. I think it is extremely disgusting and an insult to the victims of the Holocaust.............

to say someone is like Hitler. This was a very evil man and to compare Obama to him is just absurd. Are the Republicans mentally deficient or what? Something is wrong with that party. What happened to them after Gerald Ford?

If anyone was even close to Hitler, it would be Bush or Cheney.

Besides, do you think Hitler would approve of Obama? Thank you.

[defendandprotect]

70. k i c k

[Mad_Dem_X]

72. What is wrong with these f*cking people??!!

Seriously - WTF is with the comparisons to Hitler? The RW's are really getting desperate now. They'll do and say anything to make people angry!