Healthcare critics make outlandish claims: Obama

[Turborama]

Source: Reuters

President Barack Obama accused his critics on Saturday of resorting to "outlandish rumors" and "misleading information" aimed at derailing his efforts to overhaul the $2.5 trillion U.S. healthcare system.

Obama struck back at conservative opponents as lawmakers returned home for their August break facing an increasingly rancorous battle over his top domestic legislative priority. A deal on healthcare has yet to be struck in Congress.

"As we draw close to finalizing -- and passing -- real health insurance reform, the defenders of the status quo and political point-scorers in Washington are growing fiercer in their opposition," Obama said, without naming names, in his weekly radio and Internet address.

"Some have been using misleading information to defeat what they know is the best chance of reform we have ever had," Obama said, adding it was critical for Americans to have all the facts as they meet their lawmakers in home districts.

Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSN074209...

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President Obama's Weekly Address

[BlooInBloo]

1. Yes, we get the pun, Obama. Yes it's kind of funny...

Now please take the nature of your opponents seriously.

[Eric J in MN]

13. If you mean the word "claims" it's in the headline, but not in the Obama quotes...

...in the article.

[Igel]

14. "Outlandish rumors".

And outlander is a foreigner; and "outlandish rumor" would first be a rumor that you would expect about foreign things ("there be dragons there"), or possibly a rumor from or by a foreigner. Next, an "outlandish rumor" could be a rumor about a foreigner, or possibly asserting that a person is a foreigner.

To say that Obama was born in Kenya and is, hence, a foreigner is a barely possible, but punny, interpretation of "outlandish rumor".

I tend to like B-in-B's sense of humor. Not usually cross-linguistic, but often a bit off-the-wall and subtle, however assuming that it's completely normal and obvious.

[Vidar]

2. Of course he's right, but what's he going to do about it?

[abq e streeter]

3. from what I can tell , he'll do what all good Democratic leaders do--

speak rationally, politely and respectfully to raving ,ignorant, incoherent and potentially ( and in a few cases , already more than potentially) violent opponents, and be shocked, SHOCKED I tells ya, when the other side doesn't respond in kind. Its been said that our side keeps trying to bring a knife to a gunfight. Hell, that'd be an improvement. We keep trying to bring a polite law school debate to a mugging.

[Vidar]

4. You summed it up nicely. We finally have cases where tasers would be

justified, or even plastic "dumdum" bullets, but I'm sure polite rhetoric will do the trick.

[jwirr]

5. I do remember when we were saying that during the primary when

he would not fight back against Hillary. In the end niceness won. I to feel the frustration that he does not come out punching but then I remember the primaries and wonder, "Does he know what he is doing this time also?" With these rioters I think he does. They are in the end going to hurt the GOP and lose the battle.

[abq e streeter]

6. Valid point, but I purposely said "all Democratic leaders" as opposed to just Obama for a reason

We as a party; as a single unified voice,must start shoving back( figuratively) at these people ; the entire republican/hate media etc. gang( as opposed to their pathetic little surrogates in the town hall disruptions) must be called out for who and what they are , and what they're doing and attempting to do, in the most strident "telling it like it is/politeness be damned" manner .Just my opinion...that at some point we must once again become the "give em hell" party.

[imnKOgnito]

8. I agree

Even in this retort by Obama it's plain to see how much capitulation has already taken the place. The use of the term 'insurance reform' rather than 'health care reform' sticks out like a sore thumb to me. And, as far as I'm concerned, whatever bill comes out of this absolutely ought to be the first step in government taking over healthcare. To assure the opposition otherwise sends as big a message to those of us that consider single payer to be the end game as it does to the 'intended' target.

[abq e streeter]

16. capitulation by Democrats--where have I heard that before? Gets tiring, doesn't it?

And welcome to an occasionally irritating, but always informative little spot on the net. And you're exactly right about the red flag that went up for me when I heard the term "insurance reform".

[FatDave]

17. "Insurance reform" vs. "health care reform"

I don't view this as being nearly as sinister as you do. When you say "health care reform" you're susceptible to "OMG, the government's going to take over your doctor's office!!11!1". All the government is talking about doing is having its own brand of nonprofit insurance available. "Insurance reform" is the more accurate term, and much harder to twist into something that sounds scary.

[abq e streeter]

18. good point, and I hope you're right

[FatDave]

20. Thanks, I hope I am too.

[imnKOgnito]

22. While I understand..

the pragmatism involved here, the debate was about "health care" reform until the "OMG SOCIALISM" crowd got loud and boisterous and dominating the "discussion" on the evening news. But the goal posts have already been moved significantly toward the right end zone and in response that minority is screaming even louder. I don't for a moment believe that the President (being much smarter than I am) believes that he can win these people over. They hate simply for hates sake. So, any watering down of terminology or long term possibilities that come out of what ultimately gets enacted is targeted for other ears.

With that said, national government sponsored health care could very well be the end result of a strong public option. The profit driven free market, which has no interest in health care aside from the profit derived in denying it to its own customers, can't compete with a meaningful non-profit option. Surely the President knows this, as well. So, in assuring the fearful that this won't lead to government run health care, he's either going to do his part to make sure it doesn't, or he's being dishonest with those he is assuring. And, even if it's the former, I also don't mean to suggest that is "sinister" in nature. I'm well aware that the President holds beliefs about the free market that I do not. In that, he and I respectfully disagree. If it is the latter, I can only say that I wish such tactics weren't a necessary evil. I would like to believe that "civilization" would follow the paths that the overwhelming evidence reveals as most civilized, but I'm not naive enough to believe that to be true.

[FatDave]

24. Sinister was too strong a word, and I should have used something less pejorative.

But I think even a single payer system could be covered by the term "insurance reform", because as I understand it, in Canada the hospitals and doctors offices are still privately owned, and the government's only role is to pick up the bill. I may be wrong about that though.

I also may be wrong about the change of terminology. It could mean something more than I think. I'm just giving them the benefit of the doubt.

[unc70]

7. It wasn't exactly "niceness". It just did not have his fingerprints on it.

In the case of health care reform (sorry, is it now just health insurance reform or maybe only a health insurance mandate?), I just hope that what finally passes has at least the core of what most of us actually want and need.

I remain quite skeptical, but I hope I am proved wrong.

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[Itchinjim]

11. Yeah, you're a concern troll.

GFY

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[Politicalboi]

25. If he shows he's mad

He's labeled an angry black man. He can't win for losing with these assholes.

[MannyGoldstein]

10. Until He Says "Astonishing Outright Lies" or Similar, We Are Cooked

Being cool, civil, and intellectual is not what's needed here. What *is* needed is a 2x4 to their heads (figuratively of course).

[JTFrog]

15. Being cool, civil, and intellectual is not what's needed here?

Yea I can see why that might go over your head.

[MannyGoldstein]

23. Good Luck With That

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EC2tBx-3LE&feature=rela...

Have fun in that river in Egypt, 'hear?

[Dr.Phool]

19. Just call them what they are, clearly and concisely.

A pack of motherfucking liars.

[lib_wit_it]

21. Would Obama ever say that even in private? Would he even think it?

[drm604]

26. I certainly suspect that he would.

I would think that he has as much of a temper as anyone else, and I have a hard time imagining that he's not livid at some of the stuff that's being said. As a good politician, he's learned to reign it in in public.

[lib_wit_it]

27. I do admire that in him, as I have none of that ability. It does serve him well, in most cases. I'm

not sure, however, if he wouldn't do better to appear a bit more human and show a bit more often his, well, if not anger, passion.