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Omaha Steve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-30-09 05:59 AM
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New Poll Finds Growing Unease on Health Plan
Source: NY times

By ADAM NAGOURNEY and MEGAN THEE-BRENAN

President Obama’s ability to shape the debate on health care appears to be eroding as opponents aggressively portray his overhaul plan as a government takeover that could limit Americans’ ability to choose their doctors and course of treatment, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News poll.

Americans are concerned that revamping the health care system would reduce the quality of their care, increase their out-of-pocket health costs and tax bills, and limit their options in choosing doctors, treatments and tests, the poll found. The percentage who describe health care costs as a serious threat to the American economy — a central argument made by Mr. Obama — has dropped over the past month.

Mr. Obama continues to benefit from strong support for the basic goal of revamping the health care system, and he is seen as far more likely than Congressional Republicans to have the best ideas to accomplish that. But reflecting a problem that has hindered efforts to bring major changes to health care for decades, Americans expressed considerable unease about what the end result would mean for them individually.


Stephen Crowley/The New York Times

President Obama took his appeal for support of a health care overhaul on the road Wednesday, speaking (and snacking) at a Kroger grocery store in Bristol, Va.

“We need to fix health care,” Mary Bevering, a Democrat from Fort Madison, Iowa, said in a follow-up interview, “but if the government creates the system, I’m afraid the quality of care will go down and costs will go up: We will pay more taxes.”



Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/30/us/politics/30poll.html?_r=1&partner=EXCITE&ei=5043
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-30-09 06:01 AM
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1. "I'm afraid."
That's what the Republicans are selling.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-30-09 06:02 AM
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2. Oh well, at least we get a new picture of someone that doesn't know how to spell.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-30-09 06:04 AM
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5. You have to love it when they put in BIG letters too
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-30-09 06:06 AM
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6. what "lobbyests" is this person referring to? Is it a single payer supporter standing with the
teabaggers?
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-02-09 03:17 AM
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28. Insurance companies mostly. They have spent a ton of money lobbying againt
single payer and public option and, so far, it seems like money very well spent.
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-30-09 08:20 AM
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17. "Lobby" is an Adjective now!
Zowie, them freeps be re-interventerloping der lanaguage DALEY!
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-30-09 06:03 AM
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3. The GOP propaganda is working
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-30-09 06:30 AM
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9. this will ruin the administration without any propaganda needed
americans are a dumb lot, but they will see the scam on this one
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-30-09 06:39 AM
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10. ???
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 05:21 AM
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24. americans are stupid, not this stupid though--top ten
by BAR managing editor Bruce Dixon

With the corporate media relentlessly distorting the public discussion around health care reform, it time for some clear, bright lines to help us tell who is doing what to whom, and whether any of it leads to health care for all of us. Here are ten of them.

Top Ten Ways To Tell Your President & His Party Aren't Fighting For Health Care For Everybody

by BAR managing editor Bruce A. Dixon

Barack Obama and Democratic majorities in the House and Senate were swept into office on a promise they would deliver affordable and accessible health care for all Americans. But the corporate media journalism limits the national health care conversation to what insurance companies, drug companies, for-profit health care professionals, their executives, lobbyists and politicians of both parties and other hirelings have to say. So it isn't as easy as it ought to be to tell what the politicians are doing about accomplishing health care for everybody. Hence we offer these ten points. This is how you can tell whether your president and his party are fighting for the health care you deserve.

1.

Their plan doesn't cover the uninsured till at least 2013.

2013 isn't “day one.” It's not even after the midterm election. It's clear after the president's second term, if he gets one. Congress passed Medicare in 1965 and president Lyndon Johnson rolled out coverage for millions of seniors in eleven months, back in the days before they even had computers.

22,000 Americans now perish each year because they can't get or can't afford medical care, and this year three quarter million personal bankruptcies will be triggered by unpayable medical bills. Why this president and these Democrats are in such a hurry to pass health care now that doesn't take effect till two elections down the road doesn't make sense in any kind of good way.
2.

Their “public option” isn't Medicare, won't bring costs down and will only cover about 10 million people.

The “public option” was sold to the American people as Medicare-scale plan open to anybody who wants in that would compete with the private insurers and drive their costs downward. But in their haste not to bite the hands that feed them millions in campaign contributions each hear, the president and his party have scaled the public option back from a Medicare-sized 130 million to a maximum of 10 million, too small to put cost pressure in private insurers. Worse still, the president and his party are playing bait-and-witch, not telling the public they have reduced the public option, to nearly nothing.

This remnant of a public option is not Medicare, as Howard Dean insists, and it will not lead to the sort of everybody-in-nobody-out health care system that most Americans, whenever they are surveyed say they want.

Some Senate and House Democrats want to ditch even the pretense of a “public option” in favor of something they're calling a private insurance “co-op”, which as near as anybody can tell has the same relationship to an actual cooperative that clean coal has to actual coal.
3.

The president and his party have already caved in to the drug companies on reimporting Canadian drugs, on negotiating drug prices downward and on generics.

This explains why Big Pharma, the same people who ran the devastatin g series of anti-reform “Harry and Louise” ads to spike the Clinton-era drive to fix health care are spending $100 million to run Obama ads using the president's language about “bipartisan” solutions to health care reform.
4.

The president and his party have received more money from private insurers and the for-profit health care industry than even Republicans, with the president alone taking $19 million in the 2008 election cycle alone, more than all his Repubican, Democratic and independent rivals combined.

Democratic senator Max Bacaus got $1.1 million in 2008. Democratic senators Harkin, Landreau and Rockerfeller each got over half a million, and Senator Durbin got just under half a million. Other Democratic senators got a little less. Four Democrats in the House, Rangel, Dinglell, Udall and Hoyer got over half a million apiece in 2008, with other Democrats not far behind.

Is there any wonder that the insurance companies, like the drug companies are also running “bipartisan health care reform” commercials using the president's exact language?
5.

The president's plan, and those of Republicans and Democratic blue dogs too, will require families to purchase health insurance policies from private insurers.

This is something the policy wonks call an 'individual mandate”, under which Individuals will be “mandated” to purchase affordable insurance, though companies would not be required to offer it. In Massachusetts, the prototype state for the Obama plan, a family with an income of $33,000 can be required to spend $9,000 in deductibles and out-of-pocket expenses before the insurance company is obligated to pay a dime. As in Massachusetts, public money is used to purchase private insurance for the very poorest citizens. With the revenues of insurance companies on the decline, individual mandate programs are a welcome bailout for the private insurance industry.
6.

The president's plan, and those of Republicans and Democratic blue dogs too, could force you to buy junk insurance.

Think about an insurance policy that costs a lot, but is full of loopholes, exceptions and steep deductibles and co-payments. That's junk insurance, and for many it's the only insurance companies offer. Even more pernicious is the widespread practice among insurance companies of “recission” in which claimants are routinely investigated and disqualified in the event that they finally make a claim. Insurance companies admit they do this to half of one percent of policies per year. That means if you hold a health insurance policy twenty years, you don;t have insurance – you have a ninety percent chance of having insurance.
7.

The president's plan, as well as those of Democratic “blue dogs” and Republicans, are to be funded in part with cuts in Medicare and Medicaid.

Private insurance companies have always hated Medicare because it is far more efficient than they are. Medicare's administrative expenses are under five percent, as compared with the one third of every health care dollar taken by the for-profit insurance companies for their advertising, bad investments, billing and denial machinery, executive salaries and bonuses. Private insurers have, over the years, purchased enough influence in Congress and previous White Houses to restrict Medicare's payment rates and partially privatize it. But president Obama's plan, perhaps the most friendly to Medicare and Medicaid, calls for over $300 billion in cuts to the programs that now provide medical care to those with the fewest options, while failing to guarantee that care will come from elsewhere. In Massachusetts right now, hospitals are turning away poor people they used to be able to provide care for because funding that used to go to those institutions is now plowed into the state's “individual mandate” system.
8.

The president, with the cooperation of corporate media and the Republicans is trying to make the argument about himself instead of a discussion on the merits of his policy.

The president and his critics are happy to talk about whether this will be “his Waterloo”, or his Dien Bien Phu, as if that matters more than the 22,000 Americans who die each year from lack of medical care, or the three quarter million who will go bankrupt because of unpayable medical bills. The concentration on whether the president looks good or bad takes up air, ink, and coverage time that might otherwise be spent explaining what is and isn't in the various proposals, and why.

If the president were not afraid of his own supporters publicly examining the merits and demerits of his proposals, he would mobilize those 13 million emails and phone numbers collected during the campaign. The reason he has not sone so already is that most of his own supporters favor a Medicare-For-All single payer health care system, HR 676.
9.

The president and his party, and the corporate media have spent more time and energy silencing and excluded the advocates of single payer health care, mostly the president's own supporters, than they have fighting blue dogs and Republicans.

But no matter how diligently the spokespeople for single payer are excluded from media coverage and invitations to Obama's policy forums and round tables, no matter how many times the White House cuts their questions from transcripts and video of public events, the calls, emails and letters keep pouring into Congress and the White House demanding the creation of a publicly funded, everybody-in-nobody-out system, a Medicare-for-All kind of single payer health care plan.
10.

Despite the president's own admission that only a single payer health care system will deliver what Americans want, he and the leaders of his party insist that Medicare For All, HR 676, us utterly off the table.

Before he became a presidential candidate, Barack Obama identified himself as a proponent of a single payer health care system. All we had to do, he told us, was elect a Democratic congress and senate, and a different president. Now that this has been done, he insists that “change” is just not possible, and we have to settle for less. The president continues to admit that only a single payer health care system will cover everybody, but insists that America just can't handle that much change.

The truth is that Barack Obama campaigned as the candidate of change, and a health care system that covers everybody from day one with no exceptions is what people imagined they voted for when they swept him and an overwhelming number of Democrats into office.

A single payer Medicare-For-All system will eliminate 500,000 insurance company jobs and replace them with 3.2 million new jobs in health care for a net gain of 2.6 million new jobs according to a study by the National Nurses Organization. That's as many jobs as the US economy lost in all of 2007. Single payer will create hundreds of billions in annual wages and local and state tax revenues for cash strapped cities and towns. It will lift the shadow of bankruptcy for medical reasons from two thirds of a million American families yearly. It's what we deserve.

It's what we voted for, and we won't stop demanding it.

http://www.blackagendareport.com/?q=content/top-ten-ways-tell-your-president-his-party-arent-fighting-health-care-everybody
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-02-09 06:24 PM
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30. EVERYONE READ THIS POST NOW!
NT!

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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-02-09 09:11 PM
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32. excellent--wish I could rec this post
I am very let down by Obama's lack of assertiveness for single-payer. He needs to emulate LBJ and put pressure on Congress and the public to push it through. He's acting like a wimp about it.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-02-09 09:22 PM
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33. BEST HEALTH CARE POST EVER!!!
Thanks for this!
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Bigmack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-30-09 06:04 AM
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4. Ya gotta wonder about a country....
where people so consistently work and vote against their own interests. Ya havta also admit the Repubs can package shit and sell it for flower.... and people keep coming back for seconds.
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-30-09 06:11 AM
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7. People do nothing but bitch about the health care they have
But when confronted with the possibility of something different they panic.

The American people are basically nothing more than spoiled children.

And scared wussies.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-30-09 06:21 AM
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8. I hope he pays for that. That's all we need. "Shopliftgate" or "Fruitgate." nt
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-30-09 08:17 AM
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16. He gave them a dollar for it.
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smitra Donating Member (149 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-30-09 06:52 AM
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11. What kind of a poll was this?
From the article:

" ...In one finding, 75 percent of respondents said they were concerned that the cost of their own health care would eventually go up if the government did not create a system of providing health care for all Americans. But in another finding, 77 percent said they were concerned that the cost of health care would go up if the government did create such a system."

What 'other finding'? How come the findings are so dramatically different?
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Jeff In Milwaukee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-30-09 07:10 AM
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12. Never, EVER, underestimate the stupidity of the American voter
2000
2004

Need I say more?
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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-30-09 08:10 AM
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15. don't forget that Al Gore was elected in 2000
There are a lot of people to blame for the Bush-fronted coup, but voters shouldn't be in that group. Al Gore won more votes nation-wide, and in Florida, but the Florida votes weren't counted while W was appointed by the Supreme court. That one Supreme Court decision (illegally decided by one justic who should have recused himself and another who was high as a motherfucker) has likely done as much to change the course of the 21st century as any war or election ever could have.
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Jeff In Milwaukee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 11:15 PM
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20. In Iran, they risked (and accepted) death rather than accept a rigged election
Odd that we should be learning about democracy from them, eh?
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COLGATE4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-30-09 07:34 AM
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13. Harry and Louise
Harry and Louise - Part Deux
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DallasNE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-30-09 07:56 AM
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14. Playing To People's Fears Works
No surprise there. And, like it or not, Republicans and those banking Republicans have a firm grip on the microphone as money drives this debate. MSM is totally worthless. They no longer do investigative journalism so nobody knows what is in any of the plans thus these plans cannot be evaluated on the merits leaving gut instincts to take over and those instincts are receptive to the politics of fear. You think not, just read the following and this comes from a Democrat.

“We need to fix health care,” Mary Bevering, a Democrat from Fort Madison, Iowa, said in a follow-up interview, “but if the government creates the system, I’m afraid the quality of care will go down and costs will go up: We will pay more taxes.”


Mary Bevering obviously doesn't have a clue as to what is in the bill as she is spouting the UnitedHealth Care talking points that are repeated endlessly. If she was paying attention to what is in the bill supported by Obama she would realize that the public option is there for the 47 million that don't have insurance today. For others it is only a choice that could be driven by cost, meaning lower cost rather than "costs will go up". How do you combat ignorance?
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-30-09 08:24 AM
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18. Oh, look . . . more "Red Menace" baiting from Repigs.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/HughBeaumont/93

Will the older set NEVER give up this ghost? EVER? Unbelievable that people still FALL for this crap in 2009
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NorthCarolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-30-09 08:30 AM
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19. The growing unease stems from a probable compromised POS
worthless legislation that will do little to help those who need help the most. HR 676, for my money, is the answer...but I am enough of a realist to know that there are far too many corporatists, and far too few populists in our government for that to be seriously considered. Hopefully Americans will change that balance some day, but I fear it would take a massive and sustained effort to educate a dumbed-down populace.....unlikely because the conservatives like the low IQ, easily manipulated masses. It's what makes Fox News such a success.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 11:22 PM
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21. sometimes polls are used to mold public opinion
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 11:39 PM
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22. As Usual, Sir, the Headline Is Bogus
"Still, Mr. Obama remains the dominant figure in the debate, both because he continues to enjoy relatively high levels of public support even after seeing his approval ratings dip, and because there appears to be a strong desire to get something done: 49 percent said they supported fundamental changes, and 33 percent said the health care system needed to be completely rebuilt.

"The poll found 66 percent of respondents were concerned that they might eventually lose their insurance if the government did not create a new health care system, and 80 percent said they were concerned that the percentage of Americans without health care would continue to rise if Congress did not act.

"By 55 percent to 26 percent, respondents said Mr. Obama had better ideas about how to change health care than Republicans in Congress did."
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 05:15 AM
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23. forcing people to buy a plan from the same rip off companies, go figure
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excess_3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 07:41 AM
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25. federal prisons will need to be expanded
to hold the people who can't afford
what the insurance companies demand
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4dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 09:05 AM
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26. The GOP is afraid of change..
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-02-09 03:15 AM
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27. Support HR 676 and Weiner.
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-02-09 04:09 AM
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29. In general Polls are biased..."New York Times/CBS News poll"...
Edited on Sun Aug-02-09 04:11 AM by and-justice-for-all
does not mean jack shit.

There are more people that want it then those who don't.
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New Dawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-02-09 08:50 PM
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31. We need single-payer, not the government forcing people to buy a product from a private company!
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-02-09 09:26 PM
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34. Not surprising
Edited on Sun Aug-02-09 09:26 PM by ProudDad
The cowardly Dems, especially the Blue-Dogs are preparing a P.O.S. pale imitation of a "Health Care reform" that leave the insurance corporations, the drug companies and equipment manufacturers in charge...

In case you missed it above, check it out here:

http://www.blackagendareport.com/?q=print/content/top-ten-ways-tell-your-president-his-party-arent-fighting-health-care-everybody

They lost my vote when they took Enhanced and Improved Medicare for All "off the table"!
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