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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Tue Jun-30-09 11:45 AM
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EPA gives California emissions waiverUpdated at 5:33 PM
Source: LA Times

The state can develop its own standards on greenhouse gas emissions from cars and trucks, though it agrees not to toughen the standards before 2017. Automakers agree to drop lawsuits.

The Environmental Protection Agency will announce today that it is granting California's request to impose tough restrictions on greenhouse gas emissions from cars and trucks -- reversing the Bush administration's position and opening the way for the state to take the lead on global-warming policy.

California developed the standards in 2004 but was barred from implementing them.

EPA officials say granting California the waiver from federal standards gives the state wide latitude to promulgate stricter rules, restoring a 40-year interpretation of the Clean Air Act.

"It preserves California's role as a leader on clean air policy," particularly on motor vehicles, EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson said in an interview. "It feels good to know that we are able to move past -- address -- this issue, responding to the president's call."

Read more: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-ca...
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   I hope they extend the mpg and emission standards to cover all boat engines too.  bertman   Jun-30-09 12:11 PM   #1 
   Not to mention lawn mowers. DU-ers: are you aware how polluting gas lawn mowers are? If you need a  lindisfarne   Jun-30-09 01:20 PM   #3 
      great points all, lindisfarne.  bertman   Jun-30-09 06:58 PM   #4 
   We are still giving away the world to corporate polluters  SUMMERTREE2   Jun-30-09 12:37 PM   #2 
   But that doesn't mean individuals shouldn't change their behavior. Cars make up a big % of American  lindisfarne   Jun-30-09 08:29 PM   #5 
   kick  maddezmomDU Moderator   Jul-02-09 03:59 AM   #6 
   More Change: Obama Reverses Bush Emmissions Policy Environmentalists jubilant  subcomhd   Jul-02-09 03:59 AM   #7 
      What has Obama ever done for us? Umm .. he reversed the Bush emissions policy. Yeah, but aside from  lindisfarne   Jul-02-09 03:59 AM   #8 
      excellent!  fascisthunter   Jul-02-09 03:59 AM   #9 
      but...but....but...Obama is just Bush 2!!!1111  jpak   Jul-02-09 03:59 AM   #10 
      These types of posts that bash sincere, progressive DUers are obnoxious...  Iowa   Jul-02-09 04:00 AM   #23 
         Dumbing things down.  subcomhd   Jul-02-09 04:00 AM   #32 
         No, it's not..I can understand their  Cha   Jul-02-09 04:00 AM   #34 
         Umm...the 'Merican Public held poleetishuns to a "higher standard" last November  jpak   Jul-02-09 04:00 AM   #35 
      But why hasn't he fixed everything yet?  orwell   Jul-02-09 03:59 AM   #11 
      Oh, no! The American Petroleum Institute isn't happy!  Lone_Star_Dem   Jul-02-09 03:59 AM   #12 
      And would have been even better 8 years ago  destes   Jul-02-09 03:59 AM   #14 
      'Don't Ash, Don't Pollute' - one down, one to go  tomm2thumbs   Jul-02-09 03:59 AM   #13 
      Ford  boomerbust   Jul-02-09 03:59 AM   #15 
      And while Bush rejected California's EPA waiver  Tempest   Jul-02-09 04:00 AM   #16 
      It's not just about Cali. - nice try though.  subcomhd   Jul-02-09 04:00 AM   #18 
         If it wasn't for California, this wouldn't have even been an issue  Tempest   Jul-02-09 04:00 AM   #21 
            fair enough - thanks Cali!  subcomhd   Jul-02-09 04:00 AM   #22 
      this is what I voted for.  pasto76   Jul-02-09 04:00 AM   #17 
      I don't expect everyone to universally applaud President Obama  Cant trust em   Jul-02-09 04:00 AM   #19 
      Nice. K&R  ZombieHorde   Jul-02-09 04:00 AM   #20 
      Ditto!  Deja Q   Jul-02-09 04:00 AM   #29 
      I will not hesitate to criticize some Obama Administration policies, but this is not one of them.  Uncle Joe   Jul-02-09 04:00 AM   #24 
      Fantastic!!  karynnj   Jul-02-09 04:00 AM   #25 
      Good for Obama on this one.  Vidar   Jul-02-09 04:00 AM   #26 
      Score another for the good guys K&R  SpartanDem   Jul-02-09 04:00 AM   #27 
      WOOHOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bush III is doing great!  Deja Q   Jul-02-09 04:00 AM   #28 
      I think you are supposed to use the actual headline per Breaking News rules  Mari333   Jul-02-09 04:00 AM   #30 
      the REAL headline reads:  Mari333   Jul-02-09 04:00 AM   #31 
      Thanks Pres Obama!  Cha   Jul-02-09 04:00 AM   #33 
 
bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Tue Jun-30-09 12:11 PM
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1. I hope they extend the mpg and emission standards to cover all boat engines too.
By 2016 we'll be needing them in a lot of coastal areas that are going to feel the effects of climate change.

If this is considered major progress on solving climate change problems, we're screwn.
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lindisfarne (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jun-30-09 01:20 PM
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3. Not to mention lawn mowers. DU-ers: are you aware how polluting gas lawn mowers are? If you need a
Edited on Tue Jun-30-09 01:22 PM by lindisfarne
new one, get an (rechargeable) electric - or push reel (good exercise with that option!)


Mowers by the numbers

Small, two-stroke engines used in conventional lawn-care equipment are big polluters and contribute to ground-level ozone concentrations. Electric lawn mowers are gaining popularity as an alternative.

54 million Americans mow their lawns each weekend.

5 percent of the nation's air pollution comes from traditional gas-powered lawn mowers.

5 dollars is the average cost in electricity for operating an electric lawn mower over one year.

80 pounds of carbon dioxide is released into the atmosphere each year by the average gas-powered mower.

800 million gallons of gas are consumed each year by gas mowers.

Sources: Environmental Protection Agency and People Powered Machines
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Tue Jun-30-09 06:58 PM
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4. great points all, lindisfarne.
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SUMMERTREE2 Donating Member (18 posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jun-30-09 12:37 PM
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2. We are still giving away the world to corporate polluters
The agreement tied California's hands to delay implementation of regulating greenhouse gasses for seven years. In return the auto companies say they will not bring suit. That gives the auto companies seven years in which to lobby congress and possibly a new president to change the agreement. :banghead:
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lindisfarne (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jun-30-09 08:29 PM
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5. But that doesn't mean individuals shouldn't change their behavior. Cars make up a big % of American
pollution.
Heating homes does too - how well is your home insulated, caulked? Do you turn off lights?
And about those lawn mowers - 5% of American pollution.
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maddezmom DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Thu Jul-02-09 03:59 AM
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6. kick
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subcomhd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-02-09 03:59 AM
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7. More Change: Obama Reverses Bush Emmissions Policy Environmentalists jubilant
Source: reuters

Environmentalists were jubilant. David Doniger of the Natural Resources Defense Council said in a blog:

"These national standards will be a win for everyone. We'll have cleaner cars that cut dangerous global warming pollution nationwide ... The car makers will get the practical national uniformity they've been craving. And we'll help them get back to health by making cars that fit the market in a world of higher oil prices and global warming."


Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/governmentFilingsNews/id...



yet another bush policy on the ash heap of history
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lindisfarne (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-02-09 03:59 AM
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8. What has Obama ever done for us? Umm .. he reversed the Bush emissions policy. Yeah, but aside from
Edited on Wed Jul-01-09 02:52 PM by lindisfarne
that, what has Obama ever done for us?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExWfh6sGyso
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Thu Jul-02-09 03:59 AM
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9. excellent!
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-02-09 03:59 AM
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10. but...but....but...Obama is just Bush 2!!!1111
Obama has changed NOTHING!!!!111

I read it all the time on DU....

:evilgrin:
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Iowa (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-02-09 04:00 AM
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23. These types of posts that bash sincere, progressive DUers are obnoxious...
Such posts reflect a type of gushing, groupie, cheer-leading, sheep mentality that is dragging this country down. It is a mirror image of the 23 percenters who cheer their heroes on the right.

Look... it's not an either/or proposition. It's possible to blast Obama for the horrible things he has done, for the lies he has told, and for the right-wing corporate-friendly, Bush-like positions he has taken, while also acknowledging the things he has done right. Note that I said "acknowledging", not "gushing". Some of the things he has done right, like this particular action, are basic, minimum expectations - like showing up for work, or not stealing from the company's petty-cash box. In other words it doesn't, and shouldn't, elicit a lot of back-slapping, cheering, and accolades; it's something he is expected to do. And there are lot of other things he's expected to do that he's failing to do - and failing miserably. In any other job, with this level of performance he probably would have been thrown out on his ass by now for failing to meet minimum expectations.

And getting a few things right just doesn't cut it. It's a tough, demanding, grueling job. The standards are high, and they should be high. But a big chunk of the populace keeps lowering the bar because they seem to think this is a game, where everyone picks a team, or a player, and backs their guy - no matter what. Well it isn't a game. Our way of life is at stake here. Today's politicians have demonstrated that they are largely a bunch of cons who are for sale to the highest bidder. They're weasels. They're dividers. And they work for us. And we don't demand nearly enough of them. So we don't need people like you enabling them, or running interference against those who are trying to raise the bar and hold them accountable. The guys who are supposed to be acting on our behalf, the DEMOCRATS, behave like Republicans most of the time. It's a mess. And anyone who is paying attention should be pissed.

So the next time you feel the need to bash fellow DUers who are trying to hold their politicians to a higher standard... don't. It just dumbs down the entire process and ultimately harms all of us.
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subcomhd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-02-09 04:00 AM
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32. Dumbing things down.
Edited on Wed Jul-01-09 07:16 PM by subcomhd
What is really dumb is when someone says they can't tell the difference between Bush and Obama. THAT is stunningly and embarrassingly dumb.

edited for spelling
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Thu Jul-02-09 04:00 AM
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34. No, it's not..I can understand their
sentiment and frustrations at the posters around here who like to snark on the president by saying he's just like bush and there's no change. It's ridiculous and Obnoxious.

Constructive criticism is welcomed..not the disrespectful lies.
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-02-09 04:00 AM
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35. Umm...the 'Merican Public held poleetishuns to a "higher standard" last November
Edited on Wed Jul-01-09 11:39 PM by jpak
That is why Obama is Our President...

That is why we have a Democrat Party (sic) majority in Congress...

...including "A Clown" from MN...

:evilgrin:

Democracy is teh Suckage Epic Fail...

Wow Just Wow...

:rofl:

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orwell (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-02-09 03:59 AM
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11. But why hasn't he fixed everything yet?
I want my damn pony!
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-02-09 03:59 AM
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12. Oh, no! The American Petroleum Institute isn't happy!
From the article:
The American Petroleum Institute, a key oil industry interest group, was critical: "Using the Clean Air Act to regulate greenhouse gases would impose costly requirements for hundreds of thousands of businesses, large and small, as well as schools, offices and buildings across the United States."

Which stands as proof to how good this is for our environment. :)
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destes (209 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-02-09 03:59 AM
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14. And would have been even better 8 years ago
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13. 'Don't Ash, Don't Pollute' - one down, one to go
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15. Ford
Ford sales were better than expected in Q2 due to sales of the Fusion and hybrid line. But CNBC was still whining that the carmakers will be forced to build cars that people dont want. :spray:
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Tempest (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-02-09 04:00 AM
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16. And while Bush rejected California's EPA waiver

Car companies were in the process of making cars that met California's stringent requirements.

The immediate impact of the decision, which had been widely anticipated, is more symbolic than practical. The 2009 fleet of new vehicles is already in compliance with the California rules and the 2010 fleet is also expected to meet the requirements, said Tom Cackette, deputy director of California’s Air Resources Board.

“Auto manufacturers have been making changes to vehicles both because they anticipated they might have to meet California standards and because there was a general interest in public in buying more efficient cars,” Mr. Cackette said.


http://www.climateark.org/shared/reader/welcome.aspx?li...
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subcomhd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-02-09 04:00 AM
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18. It's not just about Cali. - nice try though.
"Governors from the other affected states offered similar plaudits, such as New York Gov. David Paterson's statement: "The decision is living proof that there is new leadership in Washington."
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Tempest (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-02-09 04:00 AM
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21. If it wasn't for California, this wouldn't have even been an issue

So you're welcome.
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subcomhd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-02-09 04:00 AM
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22. fair enough - thanks Cali!
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pasto76 (327 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-02-09 04:00 AM
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17. this is what I voted for.
sorry if its not enough for everyone.
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-02-09 04:00 AM
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19. I don't expect everyone to universally applaud President Obama
but I do expect people to give credit where credit is due.
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20. Nice. K&R
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-02-09 04:00 AM
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29. Ditto!
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-02-09 04:00 AM
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24. I will not hesitate to criticize some Obama Administration policies, but this is not one of them.
I believe this is the money sentence.

"This decision puts the law and science first. After review of the scientific findings, and another comprehensive round of public engagement, I have decided this is the appropriate course under the law," EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson said in a statement."

Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, subcomhd. :thumbsup:
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-02-09 04:00 AM
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25. Fantastic!!
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26. Good for Obama on this one.
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27. Score another for the good guys K&R
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-02-09 04:00 AM
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28. WOOHOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bush III is doing great!
Why the flying fuck do some out there equate President Obama to nitwit Bush? Oh, that's right, they didn't get their pony...



Here's a pony:
Wait, I wanted to post it but there might have been a double-meaning to it that some would take the wrong way. Oh well. Just imagine a picture of a white My Little Pony(tm), standing on its hind legs and showing off its nice horsey butt, takin' a big whiz on Strawberry Shortcake...
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-02-09 04:00 AM
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30. I think you are supposed to use the actual headline per Breaking News rules
Edited on Wed Jul-01-09 07:23 PM by Mari333
just a heads up

'
4. When posting articles, always use the published title of the article as the title of the discussion thread. Additional information may be included in a thread title (in parentheses) if it helps to make the title more clear.'
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31. the REAL headline reads:
Edited on Wed Jul-01-09 07:21 PM by Mari333
'UPDATE 2-US EPA approves California auto emissions standard'

thats all. in other words, your headline is wrong, and misleading.
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33. Thanks Pres Obama!
You're doing well.
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