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Coventina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 09:56 AM
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India faith leaders: Anti-gay law must stay
Source: CNN

NEW DELHI, India (CNN) -- Religious groups in India have warned they will oppose any move to legalize homosexuality as the federal government prepares to hold talks on a law that classifies same-sex acts as crimes.

India's Hindu nationalist main opposition has in the meantime called for a national debate on the legislation that law minister M. Veerappa Moily last week said would come up for a discussion within the government.

"This is a sensitive issue and warrants a debate within the Indian society at large before arriving at any decision," said Sidharth Nath Singh, spokesman for the opposition Bharatiya Janata Party.

An Indian court is due to give its judgment on a petition filed by a nonprofit group that has challenged the anti-gay provision of the penal code.



Read more: http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/06/29/india.a... /
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 10:00 AM
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1. Are they afraid of putting the eunichs out of work? n/t
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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 10:09 AM
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2. If America had known that Hinduism had its head up its ass, we could have saved a fortune on incense
We could have skipped the whole sitar Nehru Nam-myoho-renge-kyo incense burning mountaintop meditation thing in the 1970's.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 10:29 AM
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3. Nam myoho renge kyo is Nicheren Shoshu Buddhaism, not Hinduism.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 10:31 AM
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4. Might as well say they won't legalize blue eyes nt
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 11:02 AM
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5. Interesting...
Edited on Mon Jun-29-09 11:02 AM by redqueen
The Catholic, Muslim and Sikh groups didn't mince words, but the quote from the BJP guy seems more ambiguous.

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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 11:07 AM
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6. See... the "salvation" religions aren't the only ones with their head up their ass.
Free yourself from stone age superstitions!!!!
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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 11:39 AM
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7. I loved Maher's "your desert gods" comment
"Were never gonna have peace in the Middle East until Muslims, Christians, and Jews get over their angry sex-hating desert Gods and let themselves get laid without too many new rules" - Bill Maher
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cosmicone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 11:53 AM
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8. No need to bash India here
a. The religious leaders are marginal and have almost no political power.
b. Indians overwhelmingly elected a government and party which has deep secular and tolerant roots. Indian electorate has been shown to vote its economic interests rather than fundie dreams time and time again.
c. Despite the law being on the books, no one has ever been prosecuted for homosexuality. Repealing the law is thus symbolic rather than substantive.
d. Compared to their counterparts in the West, Indian fundies of all religions are historically tolerant and flexible on many social issues. For example, abortion is not a major issue in Indian politics.
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 12:16 PM
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9. Are you sure no one has been prosecuted under the law?
Either way, the law has no place in a secular democratic country that claims to be tolerant. I hope they tell the religious lunatics to fuck off. It sounds like the health ministry is the group that is pushing for the repeal. I hope it works.

Unfortunately, if you read the twits at the Times of India comments section you realize how many knuckle dragging idiots there are out there claiming that homosexuality is a "western problem" and that it will "destroy India's culture" and other typical bullshit you'd expect from religious nuts.

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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 12:22 PM
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11. I love that "homosexuality = foreign" construct, but we don't have to look far to hear it
Nation of Islam puts out pretty much the same idea, and black Christian fundies do it in their own way; essentially that homosexuality is "white culture" poisoning the black man and turning black women against black men.

White American fundies do something similar, but it doesn't have the racial overtone. In essence they claim that homosexuality is a cultural poison which travels from urban and academic centers to the heartland.
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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 12:18 PM
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10. I have been told that the Hindi word for homosexuality (sex act) is "mischief"
But I think that your claim that Indian fundies are relatively harmless is not supported. Every now and then they have lethal clashes between sects, do they not?
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cosmicone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 12:45 PM
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12. Those lethal crashes are
between fundies of different persuasions and not related to any social issues. Furthermore, they are blown out of proportion because the resulting morbidity/mortality is insignificant (statistically) in a densely populated country of 1.1 billion people. To give an example, 25 times more people die of snake bites in India than from religious conflicts.
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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 01:33 PM
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13. I should think that snake bites kill more people than religious spats in most places.
So the significance of this stat would be lost on me.
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izquierdista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 08:02 PM
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14. Not Ireland
No snakes, but lots of religion. :puke:
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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 09:02 PM
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15. good one
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