Mousavi Win Wouldn't Stop Iran's Nuke Drive, Israel Warns

[Purveyor]

Source: Jerusalem Post

As more than 46.2 million eligible Iranian voters choose their president in elections on Friday, senior Israeli defense officials who closely watch Iran stress that the outcome is unlikely to have any impact on Teheran's continued race toward nuclear power.

Whether the winner is incumbent President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad or his reformist challenger, the former prime minister Mir Hossein Mousavi, the consensus in the Israeli defense establishment is that the centrifuges in the underground bunker at Iran's Natanz facility will continue spinning and enriching uranium.

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Due to his radical character and extremist remarks, Ahmadinejad helps garner world support for stopping the nuclear program. Due to his reformist and moderate image, Mousavi - who when he was prime minister from 1981 to 1989 helped lay the foundations of the country's atomic program - may succeed in "laundering" the program in a dialogue with the United States, the officials fear.

The concern in Israel is that the dialogue US President Barack Obama plans to hold with Iran after the elections will lead to a deal in which Teheran will be allowed to develop nuclear energy for peaceful purposes.

In some Israeli defense establishment circles this possibility is referred to as the "Japanese Model."

Under such an agreement Iran would be allowed to build and operate nuclear reactors like Japan - which has reactors but no weapons. This would put the Islamic republic a turn of the dial on the centrifuges and mere months away from an atomic bomb.

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[madeline_con]

1. Since when is Israel speaking for Iran? n/t

[Ian David]

4. I'm sure Iran would rather Israel or even perhaps Gary Busey speak for them...

... rather than their president Ahmadinnerjacket.

[Indenturedebtor]

17. Gary Busey is my favorite visitor from Glaxon 5

Seriously that guy is an alien. Love him :D

[scarletwoman]

2. Oh for fucks sakes. The irrational paranoia about Iran is getting really old.

Iran isn't going to nuke Israel, Iran isn't going to nuke ANYONE. Iran isn't suicidal.

[bdamomma]

30. I agree people in Iran want to belong to the world community.

apparently Israel is stuck in the past.

[IndianaGreen]

3. Israel needs the Iran bogeyman to avoid dealing with the settlements

Israel has cried wolf too often.

[Indenturedebtor]

6. Everything isn't about the settlements

And Iran is far more than a bogeyman to Israel. They buy lots of lots of guns for terrorists and islamic fundamentalists, who yes would also like to see everyone who won't convert to Islam dead dead dead.

I'm not advocating attacking Iran, by any stretch, but lets not all throw a love fest for everyone who hates Israel. As much fun as that is and all :eyes:

And before you label me a "righty" or a Bushy go read some of the lovely statements coming out of hezbollah and hamas some time. Just lovely.

[IndianaGreen]

7. The last I heard, Al Qaeda and Taleban were Sunni Wahhabi Muslims

People like bin Laden and mullah Omar see the Shia as heretics.

If Israel were a person, I would recommend meds and lots of therapy.

[Indenturedebtor]

8. Al Qaeda and Taliban are not Hamas and Hezbollah

And Iran has been attacking Israel for years. This is not a point for debate. Iran is proud to admit it.

[IndianaGreen]

10. Who occupies Gaza, and has bombed Lebanon and Gaza?

Israel is reaping what it has sown.

[Indenturedebtor]

14. Because no one has ever attacked Israel

:eyes:

You claim to be a liberal and yet you thirst for blood and only consider one side's vision of history. Nice.

[shadowknows69]

26. As if Israel wouldn't destroy every one of it's neighbors if it could get away with it

Hatred goes both ways.

[Turborama]

13. Want to hear a recent statement from some Orthodox Rabbis?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jl0xkgBKNro

[Indenturedebtor]

15. I know the one that you're referring to. Everyone has their wingnuts

so what? Wanna hear a statement from Jerry Falwell? Or Ahmadinejad? Those Orthodox Rabbis are wingnuts from Wisconsin. They aren't actively out killing people.

[Turborama]

18. You know the one I'm referring to?

Does that mean you didn't take the time to listen but made an educated guess?

If anyone knows what the Torah does or doesn't say, surely it would be Orthodox Rabbis, or are they making it up?

On Saturday, June 6, 2009, Anti-Zionist Orthodox Rabbis stood in solidarity with many other human rights activists, in front of the Israeli Embassy, in Washington, D.C., to protest Israel's seizure, 42 years ago, of the West Bank and Gaza. The Rabbis are associated with "Neturei Karta International," see: http://www.nkusa.org. Since it was a Saturday, the Jewish "Sabbath," Ibrahim Ramey, an executive with the Muslim American Society Freedom Foundation (MAS Freedom), read their statement of solidarity. The demonstration was sponsored by the ANSWER Coalition, among other groups. For details on the supporting organizations for the event, go to: http://answer.pephost.org/site/PageServer?pagename=ANS_homepage

[Indenturedebtor]

32. No sorry. thought you were talking about the recent nutcase showcase in WI

I don't agree with everything those rabbis said but most of it ;)

Thanks for the link.

[shadowknows69]

27. Great clip

[DCKit]

19. Just as Bush* didn't represent the majority of Americans...

Ahm'aneenerneenerneener doesn't represent the majority of Iranians, nor the Likud the majority of Israelis, as Rush, Newt, Hannity, Coulter, BillO, et al don't speak for all Americans - though you'd never know it by their share of airtime on the American M$M. The asshole with the biggest megaphone rarely speaks for anyone but himself.

We're not going to be able to keep nuclear power or weapons away from everyone who wants them and, thanks to W*, everyone wants them, so we may as well get on board and work with them. Better to prove up-front that we want them to have a strong, independent and sovereign country - one they're not willing to risk in a nuclear conflict. Just think how much we could cut our military budget if every damn country in the world didn't feel as threated by the U.S. MIC.

[Arctic Dave]

5. Isreal is grasping at anything to let them drop bombs on Iran.

All the canidates in Iran are for their country to have a nuclear energy program.

[Wizard777]

22. Russia liberated them from the death camps. That could cause Russia to liberate them from Israel.

[winyanstaz]

9. This is getting old.

Who is Israel to decide if Iran gets atomic power or not? Atomic power plants are not the end of the world nor a danger to Israel.
Israel has the atomic bomb..has a ton of them...so until they let us inspect their bombs I dont think we should worry about Iran getting some power companies built.

[thewiseguy]

11. and that is none of Israel's business.

[Webster Green]

12. Big deal. Israel has nukes already, and they are batshit fucking nuts.

Israel needs to STFU! :thumbsdown:

[Indenturedebtor]

16. They are not actively attacking anyone who isn't attacking them

Iran is attacking Israel.

Israel is far from perfect but ffs so many people on this site act as though every Arab, every Persian, and every Muslim is a saint.

[Ysabela]

21. Tell that to the families of the USS Liberty sailors.

Which country are you loyal to anyway, America or Israel? We don't need to mess with ANOTHER country just because Apartheid-Israel uses it's secret nukes to blackmail us.

And Iran is NOT attacking Apartheid-Israel. Israelis are attacking, conquering, and occupying Palestine. Get your facts straight.

[LeftishBrit]

24. Oh go back to whatever RW board you came from.

Liberals don't instantly attack the loyalty and patriotism of those who disagree with them. That's for right-wingers, like Norman Tebbit, or Michele Bachmann, or Avigdor Lieberman, or Ahmadinejad, or ... there's enough of this crap without posting it on a liberal board.

[Indenturedebtor]

33. The USS Liberty was a friendly fire incident

Muddying the waters with irrational attributions fueled by, and designed to contribute to blanket hatred don't further your cause with rational people. It makes zero sense for Israel to have intentionally attacked the Liberty, and anyone who isn't looking for an excuse to lambast Israel recognizes that.

Further, the idea that Israel uses nukes to blackmail the US is patently rediculous. It would take one nuke, or a few global economic sanctions to wipe Israel off the map. Though you may know some people who cheer and drool whenever you say anything anti-Israel, thankfully there are some rational people around here. As though Israel would threaten the US. Yours would be a funny statement if it weren't so painfully silly.

Furthermore questioning my loyalty to America, based on the fact that I support Israel is rediculous. You are assuming that the two are mutually exclusive. Please consider that not everyone has blindly swallowed every piece of anti-Israel propaganda ever spewed.

Finally, Israel does not operate in a state of apartheid... unless you think that there could ever be a "one-state" solution, which is also goofy. Israel is 20% arab, and those arabs enjoy a higher standard of life as a population than in pretty much any Arab ruled country. And there were no walls around the West Bank or the Gaza Strip before people started blowing up Weddings and school buses.

Israel has not attacked without being attacked or directly threatened by massive troop deployments along it's borders. Have they gone over the top? Sure. Is it's history the paradigm of morality? Hell no. But call a spade a spade. Iran has used Israel and the US as flashpoints to push it's population to extremism, and to keep them there. Try not to fall for the same tricks... you seem to be gleefully abandoning reason for band-wagoning.

Attack Israel's past and present where it deserves to be attacked but ranting and raving and using catch-phrases only serves to get the choir riled up into a froth. Who does that help exactly?

Just as I have a duty to criticize the US and Israel for their misdeeds, you also have a duty to criticize your favorite country of the week when they act in disgusting ways.

Iran has been a real shithead the last 20 years or so. The Palestininans, and others, had real tangible opportunities for peace ith Israel that they flushed down the toilet. Israel has a real opportunity for peace right now that it is in danger of squandering... these are the realities of the situation. If you can't recognize that, then you aren't dealing honesty with yourself.

[Ysabela]

20. Classic case of projection.

Apartheid-Israel secretly developed nuclear weapons in it's Dimona reactor facility, and has used them to blackmail the world, so of course they're suspicious that everyone is as unscrupulous as them.

[Indenturedebtor]

34. Dogs and chickens sing in the sunshine with purple lunchboxes

Do you murble when the blurble gurgles?

Flee flam google floogle.

Respond to that! :eyes:

[no_hypocrisy]

23. It almost seems that Israel would have the same position even if Iran were to recognize Israel.

[LeftishBrit]

25. Possibly, but it would be a hell of a lot better to have someone semi-sane there

I don't even think Ahmanutjob would be suicidal enough to use nukes in the region - my worry, if there were nukes there, would be more about an accident, or terrorists getting hold of the nukes. But it would still be MUCH better for Iran, Israel and the entire region to have someone sane in power in Iran for a change. And to have saner people in power EVERYWHERE in the Middle East, including Israel at present - but at the moment there might be real change in Iran, and I'm keeping my fingers tightly crossed. (Apart from all the wider implications, I know people from Iran; and it might make a big difference to them personally.)

[Indenturedebtor]

37. I completely agree. But I doubt he'll win. Normalized relations with the US and Israel

would open the regime up to revolution. They know that... and they won't let it happen.

[Malikshah]

28. What, pray tell, will stop Israel's drive for more wars? It is as predictable

as the sun rising in the east.

[Indenturedebtor]

36. Yes because Israel started every war it's ever been in... uh huh

:eyes:

And Iran's leadership doesn't use Israel to distract it's people from the dictatorship with a boot on their necks... it hasn't been doing that for decades. And they never had some guy named Ahmadinejad talk about destroying Israel.

I only wish I could close one eye and one ear, to hear only what I want to hear. How nice that must be.

[Joe Bacon]

29. Hagee wants to finish what Hitler started.

Hagee is quite blunt about why he wants Israel to bomb Iran--he wants Armageddon and the asshole Israeli government is playing into his hands. Hagee and his pals like Netanyahu are the Pied Pipers leading Israel into the gas ovens. And nothing will wake them from their fantasyland.

[David__77]

31. Iran has a right to nuclear energy.

The same right as other sovereign states. They are pursuing economic development and I don't blame them at all.

[Indenturedebtor]

35. They have a right to heavily monitored nuclear energy

Any non-democracy that likes to talk about wiping other countries off the map - having nukes scares the shite outta me...

Israel or not.

[IndianaGreen]

38. Israel has nukes, and poses a threat to humanity by its endless occupation and warmongering

And Israel refuses to allow international monitors of its nuclear program.