Donate to DU!
Democratic Underground Latest Threads
Latest
Greatest Threads
Greatest
Lobby
Lobby
Journals
Journals
Search
Search
Options
Options
Help
Help
Login
Login
Google

Gun-loving pastor to his flock: Piece be with you (bring your guns to church)

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
First thread | Last thread
Home » Discuss » Latest Breaking News Donate to DU
Tab Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-04-09 08:35 PM
Original message
Gun-loving pastor to his flock: Piece be with you (bring your guns to church)
Source: AP



LOUISVILLE, Ky. – A Kentucky pastor is inviting his flock to bring guns to church to celebrate the Fourth of July and the Second Amendment.

New Bethel Church is welcoming "responsible handgun owners" to wear their firearms inside the church June 27, a Saturday. An ad says there will be a handgun raffle, patriotic music and information on gun safety.

"We're just going to celebrate the upcoming theme of the birth of our nation," said pastor Ken Pagano. "And we're not ashamed to say that there was a strong belief in God and firearms — without that this country wouldn't be here."

The guns must be unloaded and private security will check visitors at the door, Pagano said.

He said recent church shootings, including the killing Sunday of a late-term abortion provider in Kansas, which he condemned, highlight the need to promote safe gun ownership. The New Bethel Church event was planned months before Dr. George Tiller was shot to death in a Wichita church.

Kentucky allows residents to openly carry guns in public with some restrictions. Gun owners carrying concealed weapons must have state-issued permits and can't take them to schools, jails or bars, among other exceptions.

Pagano's Protestant church, which attracts up to 150 people to Sunday services, is a member of the Assemblies of God. The former Marine and handgun instructor said he expected some backlash, but has heard only a "little bit" of criticism of the gun event.

John Phillips, an Arkansas pastor who was shot twice while leading a service at his former church in 1986, said a house of worship is no place for firearms.

"A church is designated as a safe haven, it's a place of worship," said Phillips, who was shot by a church member's relative for an unknown reason and still has a bullet lodged in his spine. "It is unconscionable to me to think that a church would be a place that you would even want to bring a weapon."
...
He said the point was not to mix worship with guns, though he may reference some passages from the Bible.

"Firearms can be evil and they can be useful," he said. "We're just trying to promote responsible gun ownership and gun safety."


Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090604/ap_on_re_us/us_guns...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
   Replies to this thread
   There are no words...  bluedeminredstate   Jun-04-09 08:42 PM   #1 
   My thoughts as I read this exactly! n/t  pkdu   Jun-04-09 08:46 PM   #2 
   So we’re goin on down to the gun sale at the church...  Ian David   Jun-04-09 08:46 PM   #3 
   LOL, beat me to it  WickermanDU Moderator   Jun-04-09 09:21 PM   #7 
   .  ddiver   Jun-04-09 08:48 PM   #4 
   Oh, now isn't that a smart idea?!  pleah   Jun-04-09 09:11 PM   #5 
   Piss off the wrong parishioner  Libertas1776   Jun-04-09 09:19 PM   #6 
   Because that happens where people carry firearms all the time right?  Fire_Medic_Dave   Jun-04-09 10:30 PM   #15 
   Assembly of God. Enough said.  WestSeattle2   Jun-04-09 09:39 PM   #8 
   With the emphasis on ASSemblies of Gawd  Joe Bacon   Jun-07-09 07:16 AM   #26 
   I am speechless.  glinda   Jun-04-09 09:41 PM   #9 
   Will the guys who pass around the collection plate be packing?  jakefrep   Jun-04-09 09:45 PM   #10 
   Gawd blast Amerka!  bertman   Jun-04-09 09:55 PM   #11 
   GOD ,GUNS , and GUTS ......Right ?  Serge A Storms   Jun-04-09 10:08 PM   #12 
      Indeed. FAR RIGHT.  bertman   Jun-04-09 10:09 PM   #13 
   And because "responsible gun owners" are invited  ladym55   Jun-04-09 10:24 PM   #14 
   I'm no Bible Scholar  AllentownJake   Jun-04-09 10:37 PM   #16 
   But what you didn't see  Arkana   Jun-04-09 10:47 PM   #19 
   oy  xchrom   Jun-04-09 10:41 PM   #17 
   Praise the Lawd and pass the ammunition!  Arkana   Jun-04-09 10:44 PM   #18 
   Nothing surprises me any more.  irislake   Jun-04-09 11:15 PM   #20 
   Yet another case of "unclear on the concept."  NinetySix   Jun-04-09 11:27 PM   #21 
   ... Posters advertising the event contain blood spatterings ...  struggle4progress   Jun-05-09 12:34 AM   #22 
   Can't we just go back to snake handling?  donheld   Jun-05-09 02:22 AM   #23 
   What a freak  depakid   Jun-05-09 03:30 AM   #24 
   It pains some people to ever, ever, ever be apart from their guns  charlie   Jun-07-09 06:55 AM   #25 
   The band Cracker had a song called "Can I Take my Gun up to Heaven?"  Adenoid_Hynkel   Jun-07-09 08:01 AM   #27 
   Bless this gun,  GoddessOfGuinness   Jun-07-09 09:03 AM   #28 
 
bluedeminredstate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-04-09 08:42 PM
Response to Original message
1. There are no words...
Really, what can be said when people are this nuts? I'd like to ask this "pastor" "What would Jesus pack?"

:crazy:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
pkdu Donating Member (564 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-04-09 08:46 PM
Response to Reply #1
2. My thoughts as I read this exactly! n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-04-09 08:46 PM
Response to Original message
3. So we’re goin on down to the gun sale at the church...Updated at 5:48 PM
Edited on Thu Jun-04-09 08:47 PM by Ian David
Gun Sale at the Church
Topic started by IanDB1 on Jul-12-08 06:48 PM (3 replies)
Last modified by Wickerman on Jul-12-08 10:37 PM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...



Let’s pack up the kids, take a break, get away
Leave the hustle and bustle of livin’ from day to day
Well I know that the crime in the city is gettin worse
So we’re goin on down to the gun sale at the church

Well my baby’s all set gonna have us a real good time
Baby Johnny’s got fins but he don’t seem to mind
Well the family’s all ready to pray at the holy perch
That’s set up in the middle of the gun sale at the church

We’ll ask the lord to forgive us of all our sins
And we’ll look at the latest in gold plated firin’ pins
My two main men are Jesus and old John Birch
So we’re goin on down to the gun sale at the church



Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Wickerman DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-04-09 09:21 PM
Response to Reply #3
7. LOL, beat me to it
Edited on Thu Jun-04-09 09:27 PM by Wickerman
but thanks for the reference. RIP Buddy, and Country Dick, too, while we're at it.

edit, and in my previous post, back when, that was Blue. Slippage.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ddiver (188 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-04-09 08:48 PM
Response to Original message
4. .
Edited on Thu Jun-04-09 08:52 PM by ddiver
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-04-09 09:11 PM
Response to Original message
5. Oh, now isn't that a smart idea?!
:crazy:


Glad to have you back, Tab. :hi:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Libertas1776 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Thu Jun-04-09 09:19 PM
Response to Original message
6. Piss off the wrong parishioner Updated at 7:57 PM
and he'll be swiss cheese.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-04-09 10:30 PM
Response to Reply #6
15. Because that happens where people carry firearms all the time right?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
WestSeattle2 Donating Member (651 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-04-09 09:39 PM
Response to Original message
8. Assembly of God. Enough said.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Joe Bacon Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Sun Jun-07-09 07:16 AM
Response to Reply #8
26. With the emphasis on ASSemblies of Gawd
After all, their real "God" they worship is Ayn as in Mine Rand!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Thu Jun-04-09 09:41 PM
Response to Original message
9. I am speechless.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jakefrep (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-04-09 09:45 PM
Response to Original message
10. Will the guys who pass around the collection plate be packing?
Sounds like a shakedown for extra tithe money.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-04-09 09:55 PM
Response to Original message
11. Gawd blast Amerka!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Serge A Storms (49 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-04-09 10:08 PM
Response to Reply #11
12. GOD ,GUNS , and GUTS ......Right ?
Edited on Thu Jun-04-09 10:08 PM by Serge A Storms
:eyes:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-04-09 10:09 PM
Response to Reply #12
13. Indeed. FAR RIGHT.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ladym55 Donating Member (983 posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Thu Jun-04-09 10:24 PM
Response to Original message
14. And because "responsible gun owners" are invited
"The guns must be unloaded and private security will check visitors at the door, Pagano said."

hmmm ....

And what WOULD Jesus pack?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Thu Jun-04-09 10:37 PM
Response to Original message
16. I'm no Bible Scholar
but I distinctly remember Jesus telling Peter live by the sword die by the sword when I read the New Testament.

:shrug:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Thu Jun-04-09 10:47 PM
Response to Reply #16
19. But what you didn't see
was that Jesus then turned around, raised a pair of TEC-9s, and said. "Let us blast on some fools, my brothers!"
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-04-09 10:41 PM
Response to Original message
17. oy
:eyes:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Thu Jun-04-09 10:44 PM
Response to Original message
18. Praise the Lawd and pass the ammunition!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
irislake (777 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-04-09 11:15 PM
Response to Original message
20. Nothing surprises me any more.
I am seventy years old and surprise proof. At last.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NinetySix (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-04-09 11:27 PM
Response to Original message
21. Yet another case of "unclear on the concept."
I can still hear the echo of Jerry Falwell's exhortations to "blow them away in the name of the Lord."
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Jun-05-09 12:34 AM
Response to Original message
22. ... Posters advertising the event contain blood spatterings ...
Church Asks People to Bring Guns to Upcoming Event
06/04/2009
http://www.churchsolutionsmag.com/hotnews/church-asks-p...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Fri Jun-05-09 02:22 AM
Response to Original message
23. Can't we just go back to snake handling?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Jun-05-09 03:30 AM
Response to Original message
24. What a freak
Then again, nothing American fundies do surprises me anymore.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Jun-07-09 06:55 AM
Response to Original message
25. It pains some people to ever, ever, ever be apart from their guns
I wonder where he puts it when he's boinking his wife. In his buttcrack?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Adenoid_Hynkel (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Jun-07-09 08:01 AM
Response to Original message
27. The band Cracker had a song called "Can I Take my Gun up to Heaven?"
looks like satire has become reality
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Jun-07-09 09:03 AM
Response to Original message
28. Bless this gun,
Bless this gun, O Lord we pray,
Make it bust a gut by night and day . . .

Bless these bullets firm and stout,
Kicking ass when villains are out . . .

Bless the forestock, smooth and tall,
Let thy piece lie overall . . .

Bless this lock that it may prove,
Ever open to the carnage we love . . .

Bless this trigger shining bright,
Letting in God's wrath-filled light,
Bless the barrel shining there,
With smoke ascending like a prayer!

Bless the folk who dwell within,
When they fight please let them win . . .

Bless us all that we may be,
Fit O Lord to kill for thee . . .

Bless us all that one day we may dwell,
O Lord! With Thee!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov 21st 2009, 10:10 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Latest Breaking News Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals  |  Links  |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2009 Democratic Underground, LLC