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New Hampshire legalizes same-sex marriage!!!!
Edited on Wed Jun-03-09 04:41 PM by t0dd
Source: NY Times

New Hampshire legislators have approved a measure that would make the state the sixth to allow gay marriage.

Gov. John Lynch is expected to sign the legislation Wednesday afternoon.

He had promised a veto if the law didn't clearly spell out that churches and religious groups would not be forced to officiate at gay marriages or provide other services.

The Senate passed the measure Wednesday, and the House followed later in the day. The House vote was 198-176.

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009/06/03/us/AP-US-XGR...



Governor to Sign Same-Sex Marriage Legislation

CONCORD - Gov. John Lynch will sign the same-sex legislation today at 5:15 p.m.

TIME: 5:15 p.m.
DATE: Wednesday, June 3, 2009

WHERE: Governor and Council Chambers State House Concord

(Source: http://www.bluehampshire.com/diary/7464/hb73-passes )
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   wonderful  ccharles000   Jun-03-09 04:14 PM   #1 
   The Moran church of Utah will start throwing $$$ at this  saigon68   Jun-04-09 07:10 AM   #140 
      Haven't heard much on it around here, though  NewJeffCT   Jun-04-09 02:18 PM   #152 
   "And as California goes, so goes the nation."  joeybee12   Jun-03-09 04:18 PM   #2 
   The abolitionist states lead the way again  endarkenment   Jun-03-09 05:08 PM   #21 
   On this subject, IOWA beat Cali out!  Endangered Specie   Jun-03-09 09:55 PM   #123 
   IMHO Prop 8 might have been a good thing. It certainly brought out some outrage  rhett o rick   Jun-04-09 04:18 PM   #153 
   So nice to see...  bobburgster   Jun-03-09 04:18 PM   #3 
   Been living here for 15 years.  sarge43   Jun-03-09 04:44 PM   #16 
      One thing I've noticed about NH conservatives  rox63   Jun-03-09 06:08 PM   #37 
      I agree.  sl8   Jun-03-09 06:37 PM   #50 
      True. One of the main reasons the fundies don't get much traction up here.  sarge43   Jun-03-09 06:47 PM   #53 
         Demographics is part of it, too  SoxFan   Jun-04-09 09:12 AM   #144 
      Maybe  PSzymeczek   Jun-03-09 09:23 PM   #113 
         To a certain degree, yes.  sarge43   Jun-03-09 09:36 PM   #118 
   Congratulations and thank you to NH!  foxfeet   Jun-03-09 04:19 PM   #4 
   6 down 44 to go  bluestateguy   Jun-03-09 04:21 PM   #5 
   Let's keep the momentum going!  Dappleganger   Jun-03-09 04:29 PM   #13 
      New York.  t0dd   Jun-03-09 04:55 PM   #19 
      New York -- Lucky Number Seven!  the intelligent gay   Jun-03-09 06:50 PM   #57 
      Illinois has a civil unions bill that just came out of committee.  Critters2   Jun-03-09 06:10 PM   #38 
         well...its a start!  the intelligent gay   Jun-03-09 06:51 PM   #59 
         I know. It's just frustrating to know Iowa has marriages,  Critters2   Jun-03-09 06:53 PM   #60 
            Whenever I think about Iowa having legal gay marriage, my brain hurts.  Arkana   Jun-05-09 10:49 AM   #157 
         Massachusetts ( Democrats) tried a civil unions bill after the Supreme Judicial Court decision, but  No Elephants   Jun-04-09 07:58 AM   #141 
   Yea, New Hampshire!  MineralMan   Jun-03-09 04:22 PM   #6 
   Will these marriages be recognised in other states? nt  Tim01   Jun-03-09 04:22 PM   #7 
   Depends on the state. In NY they are.  GodlessBiker   Jun-03-09 04:25 PM   #9 
   They should be recognized in any state  Ms. Toad   Jun-03-09 06:25 PM   #43 
   they will be in Iowa  the intelligent gay   Jun-03-09 06:50 PM   #58 
   Good, they have been farting around with the bill long enough. nt  MADem   Jun-03-09 04:23 PM   #8 
   Well, the Governor wants to stay in office so  JayMusgrove   Jun-03-09 04:28 PM   #10 
      I don't blame the governor, it was that committee delay a week or so ago that  MADem   Jun-03-09 04:41 PM   #15 
      Whatever...  Ms. Toad   Jun-03-09 06:29 PM   #47 
      it also removes the New Jersey issue  northzax   Jun-03-09 06:55 PM   #61 
         That's actually a different matter off law  Ms. Toad   Jun-03-09 07:09 PM   #68 
            my understanding of the New Hampshire compromise is just that  northzax   Jun-03-09 07:28 PM   #76 
               How a NJ like situation comes out would depend on  Ms. Toad   Jun-03-09 07:57 PM   #100 
      That was a fair demand of the bill, IMO  Posteritatis   Jun-03-09 07:20 PM   #73 
         That's because they didn't bother to actually understand what happened in Ocean Grave  imdjh   Jun-03-09 07:52 PM   #98 
   Good on us.  sarge43   Jun-03-09 04:29 PM   #11 
   Congrats NH!!  CrownPrinceBandarDU Moderator   Jun-03-09 04:29 PM   #12 
   Damned Activist Juidges!!!  brooklynite   Jun-03-09 04:33 PM   #14 
   Go New Hampster  Botany   Jun-03-09 04:46 PM   #17 
   Go New Hampster  Botany   Jun-03-09 04:46 PM   #18 
   Never mind-I just got the pun.....  Ken Burch   Jun-03-09 05:54 PM   #34 
   Activist Legislature  SpartanDem   Jun-03-09 05:02 PM   #20 
   New Hampshire is a model progressive state. Way to go!  McCamy Taylor   Jun-03-09 05:13 PM   #22 
   I wouldn't necessarily call NH a progressive state  rox63   Jun-03-09 06:10 PM   #39 
   Don't get carried away  SoxFan   Jun-03-09 07:51 PM   #97 
      Don't feel like the Lone Ranger  PSzymeczek   Jun-03-09 09:35 PM   #117 
   Good for New Hampshire!  Odin2005   Jun-03-09 05:14 PM   #23 
   Technically, we still have Rhode Island!  hangman86   Jun-03-09 05:22 PM   #26 
      I think Rhode Island is a bit more Catholic than the rest of New Englan  rox63   Jun-03-09 06:12 PM   #41 
   6 down, 44 to go.  kestrel91316   Jun-03-09 05:15 PM   #24 
   that's 12% of 50 states  BadDonkey   Jun-03-09 05:16 PM   #25 
   It's just the beginning. And 5 out of the 6 have gone just since Obama was elected.  Number23   Jun-03-09 05:55 PM   #35 
      I think it's less to do with Obama  northzax   Jun-03-09 06:58 PM   #63 
   great news. can anyone argue that New England isn't the most progressive  cali   Jun-03-09 05:28 PM   #27 
   Except when it gets punked by Iowa!  bullwinkle428   Jun-03-09 09:32 PM   #116 
      nah, not even close. MA had marriage equality years before Iowa  cali   Jun-04-09 07:03 AM   #139 
   Teh gay is winning!  EFerrari   Jun-03-09 05:29 PM   #28 
   And when teh gay wins, everybody wins  TommyO   Jun-03-09 06:05 PM   #36 
   lol!  Terran   Jun-04-09 12:02 PM   #148 
   Congrats to New Hampshire ! My sympathy to the religious far right  tomm2thumbs   Jun-03-09 05:41 PM   #29 
   Congratulations New Hampshire--!!!  defendandprotect   Jun-03-09 05:44 PM   #30 
   Excellent news!  Forkboy   Jun-03-09 05:47 PM   #31 
   Another one! Way to go, New Hampshire!!!1  ObamaKerryDem   Jun-03-09 05:50 PM   #32 
   Exclusive photo of a CA Supreme Court justice reacting to the news --  cboy4   Jun-03-09 05:51 PM   #33 
   LOL  the intelligent gay   Jun-03-09 07:04 PM   #67 
   Same-Sex Unions  ealvarez12   Jun-03-09 06:12 PM   #40 
   For my dear friends in NH.  SalmonChantedEvening   Jun-03-09 06:14 PM   #42 
   A big bunch of our state flower in return, SCE  sarge43   Jun-03-09 06:26 PM   #45 
      (((((Sarge43)))))  SalmonChantedEvening   Jun-03-09 06:56 PM   #62 
      Sarge, I love your avatar of Molly, and I can just smell these beautiful lilacs.  ToolTex   Jun-03-09 09:00 PM   #110 
         Well, thank you.  sarge43   Jun-03-09 09:25 PM   #114 
   Yippee!  wryter2000DU Moderator   Jun-03-09 06:25 PM   #44 
   It's happening people. Patience...  SKKY   Jun-03-09 06:27 PM   #46 
   Yay New Hampshire!!!!!!  Richd506   Jun-03-09 06:30 PM   #48 
   Awesome, just one more New England state left to go  ShadowLiberal   Jun-03-09 06:31 PM   #49 
   The Irony here.  buckrogers1965   Jun-03-09 06:44 PM   #51 
   not quite, actually  northzax   Jun-03-09 07:00 PM   #65 
   Another victory for the good guys!  Deep13   Jun-03-09 06:44 PM   #52 
   Excellent news!  Kajsa   Jun-03-09 06:48 PM   #54 
   FABULOUS!!!  the intelligent gay   Jun-03-09 06:48 PM   #55 
   Are you officially embarrassed yet California?  DuaneBidoux   Jun-03-09 06:48 PM   #56 
   Who da thought? NH more progressive than CA?  sarge43   Jun-03-09 06:59 PM   #64 
      and even IOWA more progressive than CA...but it's comparing apples and oranges...  keepCAblue   Jun-03-09 07:14 PM   #70 
         Thanks for the background info.  sarge43   Jun-03-09 07:31 PM   #78 
   Great news!!! C'mon New Jersey!!!! n/t  Jersey Ginny   Jun-03-09 07:03 PM   #66 
   Hurray for equal rights! ^_^ I love that we had three states, lost one, and then gained five! ^_^ nt  cecilfirefox   Jun-03-09 07:14 PM   #69 
   I'm a "New Hampshireman for a Day"!!  KamaAina   Jun-03-09 07:14 PM   #71 
   You're most welcome.  sarge43   Jun-03-09 07:29 PM   #77 
      Can I drive down the 'rud' and stop off at the state store now?  KamaAina   Jun-03-09 07:32 PM   #79 
      Of course, Would you get me a bottle of dry sherry, please? Ta. n/t  sarge43   Jun-03-09 07:35 PM   #80 
      The old name  Mopar151   Jun-03-09 11:01 PM   #130 
   Congratulations! n/t  Xipe Totec   Jun-03-09 07:15 PM   #72 
   w00t! k/r  ruggerson   Jun-03-09 07:22 PM   #74 
   Go New England!  Botany   Jun-03-09 07:25 PM   #75 
   Yay for New Hampshire  customerserviceguy   Jun-03-09 07:39 PM   #81 
   New Hampshire governor signs gay marriage law  sl8   Jun-03-09 07:46 PM   #82 
   Weeeeeeeeeeeee!  graywarrior   Jun-03-09 07:46 PM   #83 
   And the energy generate by Nackey Loeb spinning in her  sarge43   Jun-03-09 07:46 PM   #84 
   Thank god, coz who can afford NH Elec Coop's ramming it up our arses any longer?  graywarrior   Jun-03-09 07:46 PM   #85 
      You mean you're not enjoying it? Now you know how the duck feels.  sarge43   Jun-03-09 07:46 PM   #91 
         You should see what the duck does to me.  graywarrior   Jun-03-09 09:27 PM   #115 
            Unless you post pictures, you're just picking on the duck again. n/t  sarge43   Jun-03-09 09:38 PM   #119 
               .  graywarrior   Jun-03-09 09:51 PM   #121 
                  OK, I should known better than to challenge you.  sarge43   Jun-03-09 09:55 PM   #124 
                     Qwak me sideways!  graywarrior   Jun-03-09 10:47 PM   #129 
                        So that's what the kids are calling it now. So difficult to keep up. n/t  sarge43   Jun-04-09 10:58 AM   #147 
                           Keeping up is an issue at our age  graywarrior   Jun-04-09 12:27 PM   #149 
   My mother is one of them  Tempest   Jun-03-09 07:46 PM   #87 
      Wakefield and Wolfeborough are flipping out right now.  graywarrior   Jun-03-09 07:46 PM   #88 
   Ok New York this is getting embarassing now  shadowknows69   Jun-03-09 07:46 PM   #86 
   Maybe it's a nor'easter? n/t  sl8   Jun-03-09 07:46 PM   #92 
   The article was appropriately written  bluedeminredstate   Jun-03-09 07:46 PM   #89 
   nice observation nt  tomm2thumbs   Jun-03-09 07:46 PM   #90 
   Hurray for New Hampshire!  Chemisse   Jun-03-09 07:46 PM   #93 
   What's important  customerserviceguy   Jun-03-09 07:46 PM   #94 
   YEEEESSSSS!!! Live Free or Die!  Veruca Salt   Jun-03-09 08:08 PM   #103 
   finally, some common sense.  iamthebandfanman   Jun-03-09 07:47 PM   #95 
   Let me know when it's time to suit up.  sarge43   Jun-03-09 08:28 PM   #104 
   Thank the man who made it happen  SoxFan   Jun-03-09 07:50 PM   #96 
   yay!  katty   Jun-03-09 07:53 PM   #99 
   Excellent news. I'm happy to see  DRex   Jun-03-09 08:00 PM   #101 
   Congratulations!!  SeattleGirl   Jun-03-09 08:00 PM   #102 
   It makes sense to me that this is happening all around New England  rox63   Jun-03-09 08:33 PM   #105 
   Let's see, Stonewall was only 40 years ago!  ToolTex   Jun-03-09 08:38 PM   #106 
   K&R  closeupready   Jun-03-09 08:45 PM   #107 
   I hope that this will put California to shame. n/t  totodeinhere   Jun-03-09 08:51 PM   #108 
   Way to go, New Hampshire! n/t  Mad_Dem_X   Jun-03-09 08:59 PM   #109 
   44 to go.  Lugnut   Jun-03-09 09:05 PM   #111 
   WOOHOO!!!  AnnieBW   Jun-03-09 09:07 PM   #112 
   I work in a town office in NH and I can't wait for  Robyn66   Jun-03-09 09:42 PM   #120 
   K&R #60  HughMoran   Jun-03-09 09:51 PM   #122 
   "Live free...."  BobTheSubgenius   Jun-03-09 10:00 PM   #125 
   Excellent!  Patsy Stone   Jun-03-09 10:02 PM   #126 
   Great !  jeff30997   Jun-03-09 10:10 PM   #127 
   New Hampshire, a state of true equality!  Castleman   Jun-03-09 10:25 PM   #128 
   Decembah?  Mopar151   Jun-03-09 11:11 PM   #132 
   Way to go NH!  chatnoir   Jun-03-09 11:06 PM   #131 
   About damn time! Yes.  f the letter   Jun-03-09 11:28 PM   #133 
   Marriage is a great institution. But who wants to live in an institution?  edbermac   Jun-03-09 11:29 PM   #134 
   Excellent!!!  FourScore   Jun-03-09 11:41 PM   #135 
   Congrats, New Hampsters!  GoddessOfGuinness   Jun-03-09 11:50 PM   #136 
   expect increase in demand for wedding planners and divorce attorneys  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jun-04-09 12:37 AM   #137 
   K&R The fundies have got  Enthusiast   Jun-04-09 03:31 AM   #138 
   Charlie Cook on Bill Press this morning  Iwillnevergiveup   Jun-04-09 08:28 AM   #142 
   Yay!  RetroLounge   Jun-04-09 08:44 AM   #143 
   About. Damn. Time.  AB_Positive   Jun-04-09 09:12 AM   #145 
   Bravo, New Hampshire.  Vidar   Jun-04-09 10:38 AM   #146 
   I continue to find it wryly amusing that the legislation has to spell out that clergy...  Pacifist Patriot   Jun-04-09 12:37 PM   #150 
   Congratulations, NH!  ComtesseDeSpair   Jun-04-09 01:46 PM   #151 
   The tide is with us, and against the terrified bigots.  Zhade   Jun-04-09 04:54 PM   #154 
   Kick back to the top for Friday......  LeftHander   Jun-05-09 09:56 AM   #155 
   Tick tock, Rhode Island.  Arkana   Jun-05-09 10:48 AM   #156 
 
ccharles000 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 04:14 PM
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1. wonderfulUpdated at 9:28 PM
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-04-09 07:10 AM
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140. The Moran church of Utah will start throwing $$$ at this
To try to pass a Constitutional Amendment to void the practice.

Mark my words--Those hateful right wing bigots will stop at nothing on this subject.

All in their superstitious belief in snakes, the golden tablets and virgin births

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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-04-09 02:18 PM
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152. Haven't heard much on it around here, though
I'm in CT, and I probably would have heard if it was going to happen in Mass as well.

Nothing yet.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Jun-03-09 04:18 PM
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2. "And as California goes, so goes the nation."
Wait, that doesn't hold true anymore. Great news New Hampshire.
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endarkenment (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 05:08 PM
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21. The abolitionist states lead the way again
lets hope that the ultimate resolution of this cultural divide is less bloody than the last time around.
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Endangered Specie (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 09:55 PM
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123. On this subject, IOWA beat Cali out!
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-04-09 04:18 PM
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153. IMHO Prop 8 might have been a good thing. It certainly brought out some outrage
from some that had been previously apathetic . I believe it got the attention of the nation and we are seeing the positive backlash. I think California will soon follow with new legislation.
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bobburgster Donating Member (595 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 04:18 PM
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3. So nice to see...
Living here for 30 years...never thought I'd see the day NH stepped out of its conservative roots.
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sarge43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Jun-03-09 04:44 PM
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16. Been living here for 15 years.
One thing I've noticed is Graniteheads may be conservative; they're also egalitarian and that's not necessarily a contradiction. They tend to believe that fair is fair.

Since the Repubs went with their Southern strategy, they've treated New England like the red headed step child. It takes a lot and long time to piss off these folks, but once they are, they're implacable.

And Dr Dean energizing the NH Dems helped, too.
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 06:08 PM
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37. One thing I've noticed about NH conservatives
They mostly belong to what I call the "Leave-me-the-hell-alone" wing of conservatism. They don't necessarily want to mess with anyone else's business as long as they stay out of theirs. Kind of a more libertarian take on conservatism.
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sl8 (195 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 06:37 PM
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50. I agree.
I'd say the the same about the NH liberals. They seem to be in the libertarian ("little 'ell') branch of whatever party they belong to.
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sarge43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Jun-03-09 06:47 PM
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53. True. One of the main reasons the fundies don't get much traction up here.
If the official motto is Live Free or Die, the unofficial is 'Tain't none of my business. Allow 'tain't yours either.
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-04-09 09:12 AM
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144. Demographics is part of it, too
The two largest religious denominations in NH are Roman Catholics and Congregationalists/UCC, with a larger than average number of Orthodox in Manchester, Nashua, and Dover. Not a mixture that lends itself to the religious right mindset.
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PSzymeczek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 09:23 PM
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113. Maybe
It's not that they're so much conservative as libertarian?
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sarge43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Jun-03-09 09:36 PM
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118. To a certain degree, yes.
But I think it's more of a live and let live attitude.
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foxfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 04:19 PM
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4. Congratulations and thank you to NH!
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 04:21 PM
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5. 6 down 44 to go
Good news. Absent the whole 8 in California thing, 2009 is shaping up to be a good year for marriage equality.
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 04:29 PM
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13. Let's keep the momentum going!
Any other states have this on their immediate agendas?
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t0dd Donating Member (907 posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 04:55 PM
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19. New York.
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the intelligent gay (39 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 06:50 PM
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57. New York -- Lucky Number Seven!
I hope
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 06:10 PM
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38. Illinois has a civil unions bill that just came out of committee.
The cowards introduced in committee as a marriage bill, but then changed the language. So many Chicago Dems are Catholic (in the legislature) that they figured this was the best they could hope for. Did I mention that they're cowards?

I've called both my rep and my senator and said I'd prefer it be marriage, but that they should support this if it's the best we can get. For now.

Blue state my ass.
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the intelligent gay (39 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 06:51 PM
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59. well...its a start!
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 06:53 PM
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60. I know. It's just frustrating to know Iowa has marriages,
and our legislators are so reticent to do anything meaningful. Step by step, I guess.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Jun-05-09 10:49 AM
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157. Whenever I think about Iowa having legal gay marriage, my brain hurts.
The only states that would be more unlikely would be Mississippi or Alabama.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-04-09 07:58 AM
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141. Massachusetts ( Democrats) tried a civil unions bill after the Supreme Judicial Court decision, but
Edited on Thu Jun-04-09 08:01 AM by No Elephants
thank heaven, both sides opposed it. Result is, the Supreme Judicial Court decision still stands. In Massachusetts, though, a constitutional amendment reversing a court decision cannot get on the ballot unless the Legislature acts during its first or second session after the decision. The first session did nothing. By the second session, seemed like no one cared anymore.


I think gay organizations should fund a trip by some of your state legislators to Massachusetts. It's basically a non-issue for the opposition now. I rarely hear anyone mention it, even the folks who were up in arms after the court decision. It's lovely.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 04:22 PM
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6. Yea, New Hampshire!
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Tim01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 04:22 PM
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7. Will these marriages be recognised in other states? nt
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GodlessBiker (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 04:25 PM
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9. Depends on the state. In NY they are.
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Ms. Toad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 06:25 PM
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43. They should be recognized in any state
that permits same gender marriages, or in any country that recognizes US marriages that also permits same gender marriage. It is not clear how a civil union state (or country) will treat a marriage - my guess is it would be treated as a civil union by those states. I'm not aware of any court cases (or the specific statutes in those states).

Marriages will not be recognized by the federal government or by any state that has a marriage discrimination amendment or statute without a court fight (and please, don't bring a court fight just yet - the time is not ripe to force this particular issue, but it is moving rapidly in that direction). States whose statutes and constitutions are silent will probably have to wait for a court decision.
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the intelligent gay (39 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 06:50 PM
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58. they will be in Iowa
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MADem (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 04:23 PM
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8. Good, they have been farting around with the bill long enough. nt
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JayMusgrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 04:28 PM
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10. Well, the Governor wants to stay in office so
he made them protect churches in the bill and protect his behind... NH has a lot of moderates, people that might vote Repub if that had not been put in the bill.

It's a sure thing, now, Gov will sign it.

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MADem (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 04:41 PM
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15. I don't blame the governor, it was that committee delay a week or so ago that
irritated me. The legislatures had it all worked out, and then some clown stood up and griped, and then they had to putz around for a week or more "debating"--but at least, as you say, it's done.
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Ms. Toad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 06:29 PM
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47. Whatever...
Churches would not have been forced to marry any couple that did not meet their criteria for marriage anyway (previously married in the church without an annulment or death of the former spouse spouse, lack of membership in the church, refusal to participate in pre-marital counseling, wrong color eyes, etc.). The provision just takes away the strawman that had thrown up recently (including by some folks who purportedly support same gender marriage but don't want to the state to interfere with religion).
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northzax (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 06:55 PM
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61. it also removes the New Jersey issue
if a religious group rents out space to non-congregants,they are permitted to discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation.
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Ms. Toad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 07:09 PM
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68. That's actually a different matter off law
By renting to all comers, they had turned religious property (inside of which they could discriminate) into a public accommodation (which is subject to anti-discrimination laws).

Because it wasn't a matter of intruding on the practice of faith, but an issue of whether once you open your facility up for public use you can violate anti-discrimination laws to limit that public use, it is unlikely anything in the New Hampshire law would force a different outcome in similar case in NH. I haven't read the New Hampshire law - but the New Jersey case was not as it is usually characterized.
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northzax (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 07:28 PM
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76. my understanding of the New Hampshire compromise is just that
that religious organizations would not be forced to be non-discriminatory in all aspects of their business ventures. I could well be wrong, but that's (and allowing religious organizations to not recognize same-sex marriages for employment purposes) would be the only reasons to bother with this inclusion.
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Ms. Toad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 07:57 PM
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100. How a NJ like situation comes out would depend on
whether sexual orientation is a constitutionally protected class in NH AND on whether any church has (inadvertently) turned any of its property into a public accommodation. (Nothing I can find has anything to do with business ventures or employment, by the way.)

The New Jersey case was a public accommodations case (not necessarily a business, but that is one example of a public accommodation). If you turn your religious property into a public accommodation, you cannot discriminate against protected classes with regard to that public accommodation. The court ruled the beach pavilion was a public accommodation because the church had previously rented it out to anyone who paid the fee to use it. Under Federal law, once it opened it up as a public accommodation it would be barred from rental discrimination based on federally protected classes - it could not refuse, for example, to rent it to a Jewish couple for their wedding ceremony because they were Jewish. That would constitute discrimination on the basis of religion. In contrast, they could legally refuse to permit that same Jewish couple to rent their sanctuary for their marriage (unless they had also turned the sanctuary into a public accommodation).

I don't recall the precise details of the NJ case - but since sexual orientation is not a protected class under federal law, the case was probably decided under an equivalent NJ law prohibiting discrimination based on sexual orientation - and if sexual orientation is a constitutionally protected class in NH, the outcome should be the same.

As noted above, I have not found any reference to business ventures or employment in the NH bill - but the issues are similar to the public accommodation issue. Discrimination is permitted for internal religious affairs, but not for employment that is not integral to the practice of the faith.
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 07:20 PM
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73. That was a fair demand of the bill, IMO
Fear of it happening is one of the things that has the anti-gay crowd so riled up, and it's not like most people seeking such a marriage would be likely to do it at a congregation that would be try to refuse them in the first place. It seems like a no-cost win-win sort of thing to me, where everyone involved gets their rights affirmed.
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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 07:52 PM
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98. That's because they didn't bother to actually understand what happened in Ocean Grave
The OGCMS didn't have to rent the pavillion to the two women because of anti-discrimination laws, they had to rent to them because they had signed an agreement giving them SPECIAL RIGHTS in exchange for making the boardwalk open to the public.
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sarge43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Jun-03-09 04:29 PM
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11. Good on us.
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CrownPrinceBandar DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 04:29 PM
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12. Congrats NH!!
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brooklynite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 04:33 PM
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14. Damned Activist Juidges!!!
Oh, wait a minute.....
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 04:46 PM
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17. Go New Hampster
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 04:46 PM
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18. Go New Hampster
Edited on Wed Jun-03-09 04:47 PM by Botany
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Jun-03-09 05:54 PM
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34. Never mind-I just got the pun.....
Edited on Wed Jun-03-09 05:54 PM by Ken Burch
Jeeeeezzzzz!
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SpartanDem Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 05:02 PM
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20. Activist Legislature
Edited on Wed Jun-03-09 05:03 PM by SpartanDem
Amazing news just 44 more to go
:kick: :kick:
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McCamy Taylor (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 05:13 PM
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22. New Hampshire is a model progressive state. Way to go!
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 06:10 PM
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39. I wouldn't necessarily call NH a progressive state
But they are coming along nicely. :)
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 07:51 PM
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97. Don't get carried away
Out tax structure is a mess, we underfund the university system, the state is slashing aid to school districts and public charter schools, and revenue sharing just went out the window...
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PSzymeczek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 09:35 PM
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117. Don't feel like the Lone Ranger
Arizona was 49th in per student spending, and has slashed even that, as well as university funding. :eyes: They've closed Flandreau Planetarium.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 05:14 PM
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23. Good for New Hampshire!
Edited on Wed Jun-03-09 05:15 PM by Odin2005
Now same-sex marriage is legal in all of New England! Now we just have to get rid of the DOMA and the bigots' edifice will come crashing down.
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hangman86 (263 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 05:22 PM
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26. Technically, we still have Rhode Island!
I'm sure they'll come around soon enough.

Anyway, congratulations New Hampshire! And thank you Gov. Lynch for listening to reason.
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 06:12 PM
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41. I think Rhode Island is a bit more Catholic than the rest of New Englan
So it'll take them a bit longer to jump on the equality train.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 05:15 PM
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24. 6 down, 44 to go.
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BadDonkey (79 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 05:16 PM
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25. that's 12% of 50 states
not bad...
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 05:55 PM
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35. It's just the beginning. And 5 out of the 6 have gone just since Obama was elected.
Edited on Wed Jun-03-09 05:56 PM by Number23
Fantastic.
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northzax (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 06:58 PM
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63. I think it's less to do with Obama
and more to do with California and measure H8. legislatures that were kinda thinking 'eh. we'll let the courts take care of this, keep the heat off me" saw that it wasn't going that way in California, of all places, and made a move. once Iowa did it, and didn't fall into the pit of evil, it opened the door for Maine and New Hampshire to be on the forefront, but not the absolute cutting edge, which is where they are happy to be.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 05:28 PM
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27. great news. can anyone argue that New England isn't the most progressive
region of the country?
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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 09:32 PM
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116. Except when it gets punked by Iowa!
:woohoo:




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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-04-09 07:03 AM
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139. nah, not even close. MA had marriage equality years before Iowa
VT started the ball rolling a decade ago. 3 states in NE achieved marriage equality through the legislative quality.

but for the midwest, Iowa is definitely a leader.

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 05:29 PM
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28. Teh gay is winning!
lol

:woohoo:
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TommyO Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Jun-03-09 06:05 PM
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36. And when teh gay wins, everybody wins
I'm doing a happy dance (the fully clothed one)

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Terran (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-04-09 12:02 PM
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148. lol!
:woohoo:
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tomm2thumbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 05:41 PM
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29. Congrats to New Hampshire ! My sympathy to the religious far right

the train is pulling out of the station and they are still trying to get their hair untangled from the wheels of the caboose
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 05:44 PM
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30. Congratulations New Hampshire--!!!
Congratulations to everyone!

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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 05:47 PM
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31. Excellent news!
:kick:
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ObamaKerryDem Donating Member (960 posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 05:50 PM
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32. Another one! Way to go, New Hampshire!!!1
:bounce:
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cboy4 (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 05:51 PM
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33. Exclusive photo of a CA Supreme Court justice reacting to the news --


:puke:
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the intelligent gay (39 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 07:04 PM
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67. LOL
...good one! :rofl:
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ealvarez12 (5 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 06:12 PM
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40. Same-Sex Unions
As a resident of California where prop 8 was recently passed, I am incredibly happy to see that some states are owning up to the statement that we were all created equal. However it seems a little bit ridiculous to have the caveats that they have stated. But I guess win some lose some. I hope one day that my state comes anywhere close to where they are now.

http://beyondrace.com
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SalmonChantedEvening Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 06:14 PM
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42. For my dear friends in NH.
Edited on Wed Jun-03-09 06:15 PM by SalmonChantedEvening
Much joy, and my best hopes. :hug: :loveya:

edit: oh yeah, I forgot. Knmf'nR! :kick:
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sarge43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Jun-03-09 06:26 PM
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45. A big bunch of our state flower in return, SCE
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SalmonChantedEvening Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 06:56 PM
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62. (((((Sarge43)))))
:D :loveya:
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ToolTex (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 09:00 PM
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110. Sarge, I love your avatar of Molly, and I can just smell these beautiful lilacs.
You've softened my heart.

Thanks!
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sarge43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Jun-03-09 09:25 PM
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114. Well, thank you.
Molly is one of DU's avatars, so if you want honor that Good Ole Girl...

Yeah, next to roses, lilacs are my favorite flower. They're all over the place up here, even growing wild. They bloom around the last couple of weeks of May, so a wonderful way to start summer.

Our summers don't last long, but they're filled with flowers, daffodils, lilacs, roses, lupen, cone flowers, day lilies, wild asters. Makes the winters bearable.
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wryter2000 DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 06:25 PM
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44. Yippee!
:woohoo:

One more state comes to its senses! :applause:
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SKKY (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 06:27 PM
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46. It's happening people. Patience...
...It's inevitable.
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Richd506 (515 posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 06:30 PM
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48. Yay New Hampshire!!!!!!
Another state has been admitted to the United States of Rational America

"
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ShadowLiberal (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 06:31 PM
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49. Awesome, just one more New England state left to go
Maybe next we'll get gay marriage in New York.
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buckrogers1965 (141 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 06:44 PM
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51. The Irony here.
The irony is that churches have been marrying homosexual couples for decades now. This is just the state finally legally recognizing what many churches have been doing for so long.

A church doesn't have to marry anyone. They can't be forced or required to marry anyone. It is entirely voluntary. Always has been. Always will be.

To put language in the bill to not force churches to do something they don't have to do anyway is pandering.
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northzax (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 07:00 PM
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65. not quite, actually
as long as it is illegal to discriminate based on sexual orientation, and all marriage is legal, religious group that rent out space would be required to rent space to homosexual weddings, if they rent it to anyone (not just the sanctuary, perhaps. maybe, as in the New Jersey case, they have a nice gazebo?)
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 06:44 PM
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52. Another victory for the good guys!
New England leads the way!
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 06:48 PM
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54. Excellent news!

Congratulations to NH!

:applause:

I wish my state would follow your lead.


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the intelligent gay (39 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 06:48 PM
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55. FABULOUS!!!
and just in time for Pride :-) :bounce: :applause: :grouphug:
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DuaneBidoux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 06:48 PM
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56. Are you officially embarrassed yet California?
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sarge43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Jun-03-09 06:59 PM
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64. Who da thought? NH more progressive than CA?
We do live in interesting times.
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keepCAblue (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 07:14 PM
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70. and even IOWA more progressive than CA...but it's comparing apples and oranges...
CA state legislature passed same-sex marriage bills TWICE -- it was an asshat Rethuglican gov, Schwarzie, who vetoed it TWICE. And because 6 of our 7 state supreme court justices are also Rethuglican, we lost the Prop 8 suit. Even the closeted lesbian justice, Carol Corrigan, voted to uphold Prop 8. Guess her identity as a fascist, oppressive Rethuglican is more important to her than her sexual orientation (and she's also dyed-in-the-wool Roman Catholic, so that explains everything.)
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sarge43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Jun-03-09 07:31 PM
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78. Thanks for the background info.
It's a shame your great state is saddled with such creatures.
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Jersey Ginny (549 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 07:03 PM
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66. Great news!!! C'mon New Jersey!!!! n/t
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cecilfirefox (282 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 07:14 PM
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69. Hurray for equal rights! ^_^ I love that we had three states, lost one, and then gained five! ^_^ nt
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 07:14 PM
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71. I'm a "New Hampshireman for a Day"!!
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sarge43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Jun-03-09 07:29 PM
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77. You're most welcome.
Just remember 'road' is pronounced 'rud', 'winter' 'wintah' and the state capital is ConKURD, not CONcord.

:fistbump:
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 07:32 PM
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79. Can I drive down the 'rud' and stop off at the state store now?
:beer:

(I grew up in Conn., where 'wintah' is almost as fierce...)
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sarge43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Jun-03-09 07:35 PM
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80. Of course, Would you get me a bottle of dry sherry, please? Ta. n/t
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Mopar151 (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 11:01 PM
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130. The old name
for the State Liquor Store is "Dr. Green's"

older state stores here were like drugstores, with a counter and clerks, and the State of NH default color is dark green, so: Been to town, Joe? Ayuh!Got groceries, went to the clnic, the hardware, and got a jug at Doc Green's for my cold!

And after last weekend's wedding, we have 2 Dr. Greene's in the family! Royalty, by NH standards.....
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 07:15 PM
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72. Congratulations! n/t
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 07:22 PM
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74. w00t! k/r
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 07:25 PM
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75. Go New England!
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 07:39 PM
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81. Yay for New Hampshire
Land of Smuttynose Ale!
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sl8 (195 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 07:46 PM
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82. New Hampshire governor signs gay marriage law
Source: AP

Via Google News:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gUUXs...

"New Hampshire governor signs gay marriage law

By NORMA LOVE

CONCORD, N.H. (AP) — New Hampshire's governor has signed legislation making the state the sixth to allow gay marriage."
<...>

Read more: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gUUXs...
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 07:46 PM
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83. Weeeeeeeeeeeee!
I know some heads that are exploding right now. The ltte is gonna be killers this week.
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sarge43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Jun-03-09 07:46 PM
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84. And the energy generate by Nackey Loeb spinning in her
grave will take of NH Electrical Coop for the year.

Hee fucking hee.
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 07:46 PM
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85. Thank god, coz who can afford NH Elec Coop's ramming it up our arses any longer?
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sarge43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Jun-03-09 07:46 PM
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91. You mean you're not enjoying it? Now you know how the duck feels.
:evilgrin:
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 09:27 PM
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115. You should see what the duck does to me.
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sarge43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Jun-03-09 09:38 PM
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119. Unless you post pictures, you're just picking on the duck again. n/t
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 09:51 PM
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121. .
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sarge43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Jun-03-09 09:55 PM
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124. OK, I should known better than to challenge you.
:spray: :rofl:
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 10:47 PM
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129. Qwak me sideways!
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sarge43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Thu Jun-04-09 10:58 AM
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147. So that's what the kids are calling it now. So difficult to keep up. n/t
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-04-09 12:27 PM
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149. Keeping up is an issue at our age
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Tempest (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 07:46 PM
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87. My mother is one of them
Edited on Wed Jun-03-09 06:24 PM by Tempest
She lives in the most conservative area of NH and is a conservative.

I can't wait for our weekly phone call this Sunday.
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 07:46 PM
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88. Wakefield and Wolfeborough are flipping out right now.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 07:46 PM
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86. Ok New York this is getting embarassing nowUpdated at 12:01 PM
WTF is taking our Senate so long?

Oh yeah, and way to go NH!!!!
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sl8 (195 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 07:46 PM
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92. Maybe it's a nor'easter? n/t
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bluedeminredstate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 07:46 PM
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89. The article was appropriately written
by Norma LOVE.

Add an "L" and you get Normal Love which is what the whole issue is about anyway. All love is normal, although the people who are threatened by same sex marriage don't get that.

:loveya:

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tomm2thumbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 07:46 PM
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90. nice observation nt
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Chemisse Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 07:46 PM
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93. Hurray for New Hampshire!
Edited on Wed Jun-03-09 07:10 PM by Chemisse
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 07:46 PM
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94. What's important
is that this was passed by a duly elected legislature, and signed by a duly elected governor. Takes the wind out of the sails of the wingnut "judge made law" bull.
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Veruca Salt Donating Member (741 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 08:08 PM
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103. YEEEESSSSS!!! Live Free or Die!
Make that Live Fabulous or Die (just for the day ;-) ) Now when I travel between ME and MA I'll be in friendly territory all the way! I am SO proud to live in New England! :toast: :woohoo: :applause: Way to go NH!!
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iamthebandfanman (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 07:47 PM
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95. finally, some common sense.
Edited on Wed Jun-03-09 07:48 PM by iamthebandfanman
churches have always had the right to marry or not marry anyone they wanted.

but marriage isnt a religious institution anymore.

i can go get married with a witness at the courthouse without any religious ties.

therefor,
marriage is a SOCIAL institution, and as such entitles everyone to be treated equal in acquiring it from the government.


and if they want to fight over the word 'marriage'
then i say bring it.

lets see them try to take away the word from all the people who got married at a government building instead of at a church.
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sarge43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Jun-03-09 08:28 PM
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104. Let me know when it's time to suit up.
Hubster and I were married by a JP in our home. We have a piece of paper from the state of FL with the words Marriage Certificate on it.

He and I are married; we're not civil unioned. Further, unlike a lot of people who had a religious ceremony, we're still married.

And yes, same sex couples should have exactly the same. Anything else is blatant discrimination.
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 07:50 PM
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96. Thank the man who made it happen
The bill's lead sponsor, Rep. Jim Splaine (D-Portsmouth)

JimSplaine AT aol DOT com

(Don't worry, it's the address he uses for constituent contact)
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Jun-03-09 07:53 PM
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99. yay!
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DRex (220 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 08:00 PM
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101. Excellent news. I'm happy to see
that now and again another state does the right thing.

What I would rather see though, is for the federales get it done in one fell swoop by outlawing such discrimination by the states against individual citizens.

And next we should outlaw straight marriage. If it was illegal I'd probably still be will my ex girlfriend. Aha!

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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 08:00 PM
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102. Congratulations!!
Great news!!

:applause: :applause: :applause:

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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 08:33 PM
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105. It makes sense to me that this is happening all around New England
Edited on Wed Jun-03-09 08:38 PM by rox63
It's not just that New England tends to be a more liberal part of the country. It's also because the states are fairly small and very close together. Just about everyone in NH knows people in VT and ME. Everyone in MA knows people in NH and CT. And so on. They've seen that the sky hasn't fallen in the states next-door when they legalized same-sex marriage. That makes it a bit easier to accept, even for people who normally would oppose it.

It's a bit different in larger, more spread out states. A person who has lived all their lives in these larger states may not know a lot of people in the places where marriage equality is already legal. So to them, it seem like a strange, scary idea.

I live in MA, and I can be in any one of 6 other states within a 2-hour drive. I live less than a half-hour from NH, and about an hour from the southern edge of ME. I know what's going on there, and the folks in those places know what's going on here.

I think a big round of applause is due to the folks in VT, who went out on a limb all those years ago when they legalized civil unions. No, it wasn't marriage. But they have marriage now, and I think the fact that they started granting legal unions to same-sex couples has a lot to do with why equal marriage is becoming legal in other places now.
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ToolTex (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 08:38 PM
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106. Let's see, Stonewall was only 40 years ago!
Now some Rights in six States with only 44 left to go.

Celebrate if you want. Having lived these 40 years just makes me angry. No furious!

How dare the religious bigots and weak politicians cheat me out of 40 years of my Rights.

If their god exists, may he damn them to Hell for the life they have cheated 15 percent of their relatives and countrymen out of.
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 08:45 PM
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107. K&R
:woohoo:
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Jun-03-09 08:51 PM
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108. I hope that this will put California to shame. n/t
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Mad_Dem_X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Jun-03-09 08:59 PM
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109. Way to go, New Hampshire! n/t
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Lugnut Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 09:05 PM
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111. 44 to go.
Common sense prevails! It's about time.

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AnnieBW Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Jun-03-09 09:07 PM
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112. WOOHOO!!!
Six down, 44 to go! Well, 45, with the District of Columbia.

Congrats to NH GLBTs!
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Robyn66 Donating Member (710 posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 09:42 PM
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120. I work in a town office in NH and I can't wait for
the first couples to come in and apply!!! I am going to want to go down stairs and clap for them!!!!!

I am sooo psyched and PROUD of my state!!!!!

And Gay Marriage can pass in THIS STATE there is no reason it shouldn't pass EVERYWHERE!!

Congratulations everyone!!!!!!!

Love to all!!!
Robyn

:party: :toast: :party:
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 09:51 PM
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122. K&R #60
Glad to see my long time conservative state progressing into the 21st century.
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