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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-04 11:50 PM
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S.F. Mayor Slams Bush Over Gay Weddings
Bush shows what a petty little man he really is.

By BRIAN SKOLOFF, Associated Press Writer

SAN FRANCISCO - Mayor Gavin Newsom accused President Bush (news - web sites) of political showmanship and discrimination because of the Social Security Administration (news - web sites)'s decision to not accept any marriage licenses from San Francisco — gay or straight — until the same-sex issue is resolved.


Newsom addressed a huge crowd at his first town hall meeting Saturday, 52 days after taking office and a little more than two weeks after he authorized city officials to grant marriage licenses to same-sex couples.


Such meetings typically draw a few dozen people, but nearly 1,000 gathered for Saturday's town hall in the Castro district, a predominantly gay and lesbian section of the city. Some in the crowd carried signs reading: "Thank You Mayor" and "Gavin — Our Hero."

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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=533&e=3&u=/ap/20040229/ap_on_re_us/gay_marriage

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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-04 11:57 PM
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1. good for Newsom! Let's elect him as governor of California!
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Paul Hood Donating Member (717 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 12:41 AM
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2. Great headline. n/t
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AlFrankenFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 12:44 AM
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3. Good for him! :)
We need more people like him out there.
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nofurylike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 01:06 AM
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4. "Our Hero" yes! thanks for this post!! n/t
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 05:52 AM
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5. great for gavin
but outrageous for social security to administer a shot gun for a cure.
these people are pigs.
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Palacsinta Donating Member (929 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 07:52 AM
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6. I wish my mayor had this kind of courage!!!
Maybe we straighties ought to turn in OUR marriage licenses 'til the system is fair?
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 09:58 AM
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7. CHIMPANZEE McSHRUB, dangerous HOMOPHOBE
I really believe, if he had his way he would have camps somewhere in Montana , surrounded by guard towers, with dogs, with barbed wire where most of the inmates would wear cheap walmart fatigues with a pink triangle on the front.

He could man his army of guards primarily with graduates of "Liberty University"

It is now fashionable in certain circles to gay bash. Watch certain meetings that will be held. Not all these people are as Crazy as the Rev Fred Phelps, who I understand is on a new crusade.

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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 10:04 AM
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8. In your picture it appears the US flag is flying at half mast and
in a position of distress (Upside down). What was the event these homophobes were attending?
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 03:32 PM
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12. I don't know what the event was
This photo was posted before here by someone else. I just bookmarked it a while ago. The Rev Fred has dozens of followers who go around spreading the "Good News" of the bible

See Below A protest at a gay wedding of 2 women

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bearfan454 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 10:44 AM
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10. That pic is sick !
My son is gay. This kind of shit pisses me off to no end.
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bearfan454 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 10:43 AM
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9. This entire issue is bullshit.
There should be NO discrimination at all for anyone in this country. That includes gay, straight, old, young, black, white, hispanic, asian, female, male, democrat, republican, and anything else I haven't written here. If 2 people want to get married they can. I don't give a shit what bush says.
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Technowitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 04:12 PM
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14. Gays & Lesbians already can get married, but...
People like me have been getting married for years, decades even.

For a very long time now in the U.S., a number of churches, temples, and other religious institutions have been performing marriages. Among them, the Unitarians come to mind, for instance, but they're not the only churches.

The happy couples stand up before a crowd of their friends and families, making public vows to love and honor one another to the end of their days. This is known as RELIGIOUS marriage.

It's the one where besides refusing to marry gays and lesbians, the Catholics, for example, refuse to marry non-Catholics. And some Orthodox Jewish synagogues won't marry non-Jews. Personally, I don't have a problem with this. Religious marriage ought to reflect the views of the people who follow it -- even if it seems bigoted and narrow-minded to others. That's freedom of religion.

What hasn't been legal is CIVIL marriage for gays and lesbians. That's the kind where you get a piece of paper from the government -- a license. Each state has slightly different rules governing who can and can't get that license (minimum ages, can/can't marry 1st cousin, waiting periods, etc.).

Once you have that license, it needs to be completed. In California, "In order for a marriage to be completed, a ceremony must be performed by one of the following: Any judge or retired judge of the state of California; Commissioner of Civil Marriages or retired Commissioner of Civil Marriages; Commissioner or retired Assistant Commissioner of a Court of Record or Justice Court in California; any judge or magistrate of the U.S. or any priest, minister or rabbi of any religious denomination of the age of 18 or over. A marriage may also be solemnized by a judge or magistrate of the U.S. who has resigned from office. A legislator or constitutional officer of this state or a member of congress who represents a district within California, while that person holds office."

So, as you can see, it might be a religious figure, but doesn't have to be. It can be completely outside any particular religious context, and still be 100% legal and recognized.

Once that paper is filed with the government, all kinds of rights, benefits, and privileges ensue (as well as some responsibilities). I read one account from the U.S. gov't that listed over a thousand.

What committed gay and lesbian couples want isn't the right to go marching into some Southern Baptist church, demanding that the reverend marry them. What we want is all those civil rights.

Thus, ever time someone like Mr. Bush brings up the "sanctity" of marriage, he's trying to drag all this over to religious grounds -- and only those religions that have a problem with gay/lesbian couples being married. There's lots of religions where it's no issue at all.

For me, one of the rights that concerns me most is if I die, my wife will probably lose the house we live in. I have, of course, named her as beneficiary for everything I own. However, since she is an "unrelated person" in the eyes of the government, she will have to pay inheritance taxes on everything she gets -- including half of the immediately re-appraised value of our home. For a heterosexual married couple, the surviving spouse gets everything, automatically, no taxes at all.

These are the kinds of "fairness and equality" issues for which we're fighting. It has nothing to do with "sanctity" or forcing our beliefs onto others. It's just simple civil rights and equality under the law.
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 11:13 AM
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11. Great
I never thought I'd be a fan of Gavin Newsome. Who wouldda thunk?
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Ratty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 03:57 PM
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13. 180 turn on Newsom for me
I really disliked him. The moussed and coiffed, silver-spoon son of privilege. Back door dealings during the election. The air of entitlement. I was really rooting for Mat Gonzalez.

Call me shallow but this guy is my hero now! I don't know if I'm shallow because I overlook any flaws now, or because of the flaws I thought I perceived before the election. But this guy is my hero.

And at first I thought this whole issue was ridiculous: handing out meaningless marriage certficates with no legal meaning to them. But you just can't help getting swept up into the spirit of the whole thing. The guy certainly takes a stand doesn't he? He's not some weenie presidential candidate terrified of looking like anything to the left of center. I hope his next stop is governor of California!
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Manix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 05:19 PM
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15. The Crawford jackass doesn't understand the meaning of "integrety".
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