LiberalArkie
(664 posts)
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Mon Jun-01-09 02:34 PM
Original message |
| Two Army Recruiters Shot, One Dead In Little Rock Shooting |
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Source: KTHV tvLittle Rock police are investigating a double shooting at a west Little Rock shopping center. Two Army recruiters were hit by gunfire. One of the victims has died from his wounds. The two men were wounded outside an Army recruiting office in the Ashley Square Shopping Center off Rodney Parham Road near Reservoir Road around 10:20 a.m. According to Little Rock police, someone inside a black SUV opened fire on two recruiters standing outside the office. One victim died late Monday morning. The other victim is reportedly in serious condition. Recruiting commander Lt. Col Thomas F. Artis says the victims had just completed basic training and were spending two weeks in Little Rock to recruit in their home area, showing the difference that less than two months of training made in their lives. Read more: http://www.todaysthv.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=...
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Please don't let the suspect be a war protester... |
derby378 |
Jun-01-09 02:36 PM |
#1 |
 
More likely a soldier |
Tempest |
Jun-01-09 03:01 PM |
#7 |
  
maybe it was the same guy that shot that doctor. nt |
ohio2007 |
Jun-01-09 03:07 PM |
#11 |
 
? |
ohio2007 |
Jun-01-09 03:04 PM |
#9 |
  
I don't think there's any chance of that |
derby378 |
Jun-01-09 03:07 PM |
#12 |
 
well then what does "your gut" tell you ? nt |
ohio2007 |
Jun-01-09 03:25 PM |
#15 |
 
My gut tells me ... |
mallard |
Jun-02-09 02:42 AM |
#127 |
 
May want to see a doctor.... |
WriteDown |
Jun-02-09 11:20 AM |
#144 |
 
Victims were two guys from the area where they were shot |
kristopher |
Jun-01-09 05:44 PM |
#37 |

OMG... please stop this. Our Armies are not our enemies. |
earcandle |
Jun-01-09 02:43 PM |
#2 |
 
If you were any more transparent.. |
girl gone mad |
Jun-01-09 06:26 PM |
#45 |

Uh... |
devilgrrl |
Jun-01-09 06:33 PM |
#48 |

Oh god... |
SoxFan |
Jun-01-09 02:46 PM |
#3 |

"... the shooter .. was arrested after his vehicle was pulled over on Interstate 630 ..." |
struggle4progress |
Jun-01-09 02:47 PM |
#4 |
 
Those kids were not even real recruiters--they were HARPS. |
MADem |
Jun-01-09 06:56 PM |
#53 |

Current reports suggest they were shot simply because they were in uniform |
struggle4progress |
Jun-01-09 07:34 PM |
#63 |

Crying shame, regardless. They were just out of boot camp, getting a bit of |
MADem |
Jun-01-09 07:42 PM |
#65 |

Yes: tragic, pointless, and all-too-common. |
struggle4progress |
Jun-01-09 08:04 PM |
#69 |

These are not recruiters..... |
Aviation Pro |
Jun-01-09 02:51 PM |
#5 |
 
They targetted the uniform nt |
ohio2007 |
Jun-01-09 03:08 PM |
#13 |

And you know that how? nt |
kristopher |
Jun-01-09 05:46 PM |
#39 |

Well it didn't take very long did it ? |
ohio2007 |
Jun-01-09 07:16 PM |
#59 |

And he may be hiding drug/gang activity behind a veil of lies. |
kristopher |
Jun-01-09 08:15 PM |
#72 |
 
Police: Recruiting center gunman targeted military |
ohio2007 |
Jun-01-09 08:44 PM |
#76 |
 
What's worse? Gang shooting or "I'm a terrorist?" |
MADem |
Jun-01-09 08:45 PM |
#77 |

I doubt he's with MS-13,Bloods or whatever. He is currently "an army of one" |
ohio2007 |
Jun-01-09 08:55 PM |
#84 |
 
Unless he's got a death wish, the "terra terra" political/religious excuse is the wrong way to go. |
MADem |
Jun-01-09 09:13 PM |
#87 |

imo, his lawyer will play other cards first |
ohio2007 |
Jun-01-09 09:42 PM |
#94 |

I can't remember the last time I had Iranian pistachios. They're the only really good ones. |
No Elephants |
Jun-02-09 06:46 PM |
#152 |

I used to buy them in Iran by the grocery sack. They were very cheap and delicious, and |
MADem |
Jun-02-09 09:17 PM |
#157 |

Now we are stuck with the California variety grown in the valley |
ohio2007 |
Jun-02-09 11:06 PM |
#164 |

It really depends on what his motive is, doesn't it? |
kristopher |
Jun-01-09 09:37 PM |
#92 |

I'm sure his lawyer has advised him to legally STFU as he most likely said way to much already in |
ohio2007 |
Jun-01-09 09:46 PM |
#96 |

The difference is the death penalty or possible life without parole. |
MADem |
Jun-02-09 01:10 AM |
#113 |

Where are the cries of outrage? |
obliviously |
Jun-01-09 11:15 PM |
#104 |

Two people were shot, that's for sure. What else it may have been remains to be seen. |
No Elephants |
Jun-02-09 06:47 PM |
#153 |

now.....we must remember to respect the culture he has adopted two years ago and understand once he |
ohio2007 |
Jun-02-09 11:29 PM |
#165 |

Please...give me a break. |
Xenotime |
Jun-03-09 12:00 AM |
#167 |

One person in custody |
cboy4 |
Jun-01-09 02:53 PM |
#6 |
 
Omg |
chatnoir |
Jun-01-09 06:33 PM |
#47 |

Very sad story |
Politicalboi |
Jun-01-09 03:02 PM |
#8 |
 
no |
ohio2007 |
Jun-01-09 03:40 PM |
#18 |

Suspect arrested |
SoxFan |
Jun-01-09 03:05 PM |
#10 |
 
Maybe we should wait for the police report before assigning |
smitty |
Jun-01-09 03:12 PM |
#14 |

why wait ? |
ohio2007 |
Jun-01-09 03:28 PM |
#16 |

The police have reported. |
MADem |
Jun-01-09 08:46 PM |
#78 |

police have suspect in custody |
ohio2007 |
Jun-01-09 03:37 PM |
#17 |

I've seen the regular recruiters use just out of basic soldiers in school cafeterias to |
1monster |
Jun-01-09 03:42 PM |
#19 |
 
I spent 8 years in the military |
newinnm |
Jun-02-09 05:55 PM |
#151 |

Perhaps the majority of recruiters are honorable people. However, it only takes a small |
1monster |
Jun-02-09 11:55 PM |
#166 |

Private Benjamin |
newinnm |
Jun-04-09 01:25 AM |
#176 |

Whatever. |
1monster |
Jun-04-09 06:53 PM |
#187 |

Two Injured in West LR (Little Rock U.S. Army Recruiting office) Shooting |
sabra |
Jun-01-09 04:30 PM |
#20 |
 
Political or personal motive? |
davepc |
Jun-01-09 04:30 PM |
#21 |
  
It would seem to be political. Time will tell. |
MADem |
Jun-01-09 04:30 PM |
#22 |
 
what political statement do you feel he wanted to make? |
ohio2007 |
Jun-01-09 04:56 PM |
#35 |
  
Who the hell knows? Normal people don't shoot recruiters in the street. |
MADem |
Jun-01-09 06:49 PM |
#52 |
   
We know what party he belongs to .... |
ohio2007 |
Jun-01-09 08:51 PM |
#82 |
  
There's an update to this story that might answer some of your queries. |
MADem |
Jun-01-09 07:45 PM |
#66 |
 
See post #13.nt |
ohio2007 |
Jun-01-09 08:46 PM |
#79 |
 
It's polite to provide a link to the post. Old eyes can't find small numbers. |
MADem |
Jun-01-09 08:50 PM |
#81 |
 
At the time it wasn't known for sure |
ohio2007 |
Jun-01-09 09:59 PM |
#99 |
 
Do you have information that hasn't been posted? |
kristopher |
Jun-01-09 05:48 PM |
#40 |
 
Did you see the paragraph I posted? |
MADem |
Jun-01-09 06:44 PM |
#50 |
 
It doesn't say there is a bomb. |
kristopher |
Jun-01-09 06:47 PM |
#51 |
 
It turns out the report is technically wrong--those kids were not recruiters. |
MADem |
Jun-01-09 06:59 PM |
#54 |
 
They are on recruiting duty. |
kristopher |
Jun-01-09 08:06 PM |
#70 |
 
No, they are not "on" recruiting duty. It is not correct to refer to them as recruiters, because |
MADem |
Jun-01-09 08:43 PM |
#75 |
 
You continually over reach |
kristopher |
Jun-01-09 09:29 PM |
#90 |
 
Do you need a tweezer to get that hair out? |
MADem |
Jun-01-09 09:48 PM |
#97 |
 
You're the one going off half cocked. |
kristopher |
Jun-02-09 12:18 AM |
#106 |
 
No, I'm simply following the story in the media. You're making shit up and getting ticked that |
MADem |
Jun-02-09 12:46 AM |
#110 |
 
Please go back and review the tread. |
kristopher |
Jun-02-09 01:15 AM |
#114 |
 
Who said anything about "proof" except you, Rumorboy? |
MADem |
Jun-02-09 01:36 AM |
#119 |
 
Project much??? |
kristopher |
Jun-02-09 01:43 AM |
#120 |
 
That's pretty funny--you gave the guy a sister and a gang, and you |
MADem |
Jun-02-09 01:49 AM |
#122 |
 
You're funny |
kristopher |
Jun-02-09 02:39 AM |
#126 |
 
No -- I'm dead serious. The one acting like a bit of a monkey is you. |
MADem |
Jun-02-09 03:37 AM |
#133 |
 
Sounds like somebody had a grudge against the Army. |
TheWraith |
Jun-01-09 04:30 PM |
#23 |
  
I'm going to say someone who was turned down. |
proteus_lives |
Jun-01-09 04:30 PM |
#26 |
   
a disgruntled vet would have killed them. |
pasto76 |
Jun-01-09 04:30 PM |
#27 |
   
Suspect apparently was never in the army |
struggle4progress |
Jun-01-09 07:36 PM |
#64 |
   
A guy who hates the military, apparently, who had travelled to Yemen, who got |
MADem |
Jun-02-09 02:22 PM |
#145 |
  
One dead |
Milspec |
Jun-01-09 04:30 PM |
#29 |
   
I should have known better than to make assumptions based on the media report. nt |
TheWraith |
Jun-01-09 04:30 PM |
#33 |
  
I don't think it's a vet. The kids shot were local... |
kristopher |
Jun-01-09 05:50 PM |
#41 |
  
Maybe not. The report is inaccurate. The kids who were shot were not recruiters. |
MADem |
Jun-01-09 07:03 PM |
#55 |
 
Not to make light... |
lies and propaganda |
Jun-01-09 04:30 PM |
#24 |
  
Word! Then SFC Dreger, you bold faced lied to my mother. |
pasto76 |
Jun-01-09 04:30 PM |
#28 |
   
What? |
lies and propaganda |
Jun-01-09 04:30 PM |
#30 |
  
I think he was agreeing with you |
Cha |
Jun-01-09 06:43 PM |
#49 |
  
Navy recruiter told me you would never be asked to do more than 20 push-ups... EVER. n/t |
Ian David |
Jun-01-09 04:39 PM |
#34 |
   
How many did you do after boot camp? |
ohio2007 |
Jun-01-09 09:51 PM |
#98 |
    
I actually eneded up not signing-up. n/t |
Ian David |
Jun-02-09 10:01 AM |
#138 |
   
Jeez, ya flunk the PT test if that's all ya can do!!! nt |
MADem |
Jun-01-09 11:06 PM |
#103 |
   
I'd be willing to bet the recruiter told the truth... |
kristopher |
Jun-02-09 01:17 AM |
#115 |
  
Ohhh... good point... not "asked" but ORDERED. n/t |
Ian David |
Jun-02-09 10:00 AM |
#137 |
  
Did you have a degree? |
bdab1973 |
Jun-02-09 05:11 PM |
#148 |
 
Domestic Terrorism? |
jehovas_waitress |
Jun-01-09 04:30 PM |
#25 |
  
not on this Continent but the one across the pond has had threats against its way of thinking . |
ohio2007 |
Jun-01-09 09:01 PM |
#86 |
 
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room!" nt |
Gidney N Cloyd |
Jun-01-09 04:30 PM |
#31 |
 
Take your pick |
rocktivity |
Jun-01-09 04:30 PM |
#32 |

You forgot one |
humbled_opinion |
Jun-01-09 05:45 PM |
#38 |
 
Hmmm, food for thought there. |
John Kerry VonErich |
Jun-01-09 08:58 PM |
#85 |

Forgot one.. |
twitomy |
Jun-01-09 07:54 PM |
#67 |

More than 30 replies before cause is discussed? Reason? Unknown as yet. Cause? Easy guns. |
FailureToCommunicate |
Jun-01-09 04:57 PM |
#36 |
 
Yep easy guns is the answer, they are responsible for everything.. |
Pavulon |
Jun-01-09 05:54 PM |
#42 |
 
I don't like the NRA.... |
quickesst |
Jun-01-09 05:55 PM |
#43 |

You're right, that part doesn't make any sense. I just came back from my younger brother's |
FailureToCommunicate |
Jun-01-09 09:17 PM |
#88 |

Shooter Identified as Abulhakin Muhammad formerly Carlos Bledsoe |
jehovas_waitress |
Jun-01-09 06:16 PM |
#44 |
 
More religious terrorism. |
girl gone mad |
Jun-01-09 06:28 PM |
#46 |
 
Did he graduate with the kids he shot? Or is he an Al Q wannabee? NT |
MADem |
Jun-01-09 07:05 PM |
#56 |
 
Deleted message |
Name removed |
Jun-01-09 07:07 PM |
#58 |

No, only Christians |
twitomy |
Jun-01-09 07:55 PM |
#68 |

Update: Police say Suspect Targeted Military |
maddezmom |
Jun-01-09 07:07 PM |
#57 |
 
... Police .. say a man who shot two .. soldiers .. likely had "political and religious motives" ... |
struggle4progress |
Jun-01-09 07:28 PM |
#60 |
  
You are SOURCING FAUX NEWS and the article doesn't contain your quotes. |
kristopher |
Jun-01-09 08:09 PM |
#71 |
 
Here, try the AP. |
MADem |
Jun-01-09 08:48 PM |
#80 |
  
And there are WMDs in Iraq... |
kristopher |
Jun-01-09 09:31 PM |
#91 |
 
You really DO need a tweezers. And maybe some powder for that rash of YOURS, too! |
MADem |
Jun-01-09 10:58 PM |
#101 |
 
I'm not sure what you're trying to say. I'm merely tracking news coverage here: |
struggle4progress |
Jun-01-09 11:27 PM |
#105 |
 
It's at top of story when I click link. I give two other stories below if you don't like this one |
struggle4progress |
Jun-01-09 08:52 PM |
#83 |
  
He's just mad at everyone. You can give him links till the cows come home. |
MADem |
Jun-01-09 11:03 PM |
#102 |
 
Yep, it's me. |
kristopher |
Jun-02-09 12:23 AM |
#107 |
 
Ah, when YOU spread rumors, they're facts. When others report what |
MADem |
Jun-02-09 12:44 AM |
#109 |
 
Point to one place where I spread a rumor. |
kristopher |
Jun-02-09 01:23 AM |
#116 |
 
You invented a gang/drug scenario, gave the guy a sister who dating one of the recruiters, |
MADem |
Jun-02-09 01:45 AM |
#121 |
 
... |
kristopher |
Jun-02-09 02:53 AM |
#131 |
 
Ha!!! Have a banana...! |
MADem |
Jun-02-09 03:40 AM |
#134 |
 
*sigh* Look, it's obvious you didn't want this to be what it was-- |
kiva |
Jun-01-09 09:21 PM |
#89 |
 
*sigh* yourself... |
kristopher |
Jun-01-09 09:43 PM |
#95 |
 
Reactionary, rush to judgement.-- |
kiva |
Jun-01-09 10:22 PM |
#100 |
 
There are probably 15,000-20,000 troops in the Little Rock area |
kristopher |
Jun-02-09 12:29 AM |
#108 |
 
Gee, I thought you didn't "do" rumors.... |
MADem |
Jun-02-09 12:50 AM |
#112 |
  
Do you even know what a rumor is??? |
kristopher |
Jun-02-09 01:29 AM |
#118 |
 
Yeah, here's one: This guy is in a gang, into drugs, and has a sister who was involved with one of |
MADem |
Jun-02-09 01:55 AM |
#123 |
 
Thanks for proving the point. |
kristopher |
Jun-02-09 02:42 AM |
#128 |
 
Get over yourself. Rumors are what other people put forth, but your crap ideas |
MADem |
Jun-02-09 02:47 AM |
#129 |
 
... |
kristopher |
Jun-02-09 02:52 AM |
#130 |
 
In a simian sort of way, be sure to read this link, Bonzo! |
MADem |
Jun-02-09 03:41 AM |
#135 |
 
Why are there 15-20K troops in Little Rock? |
telmerc |
Jun-02-09 05:52 AM |
#136 |
 
Little Rock AFB has over 5,000 USAF personnel there as well. |
bdab1973 |
Jun-02-09 05:04 PM |
#147 |
 
Active duty and dependents, maybe...but that's not "military personnel." nt |
MADem |
Jun-02-09 09:13 PM |
#155 |
 
Little Rock AFB has over 5,700 personnel, that's active duty personnel... |
bdab1973 |
Jun-03-09 01:10 PM |
#169 |
 
Perhaps I was unclear--I was referring to the estimate of 15-20K, not your |
MADem |
Jun-03-09 01:38 PM |
#170 |
 
If that's what you were commenting about then we agree |
bdab1973 |
Jun-03-09 05:01 PM |
#171 |
 
Yes. I was chiming in behind you on this post |
MADem |
Jun-03-09 05:11 PM |
#172 |
 
... police think the shooter acted alone "with the specific purpose of targeting military personnel" |
struggle4progress |
Jun-01-09 07:30 PM |
#61 |
 
"This individual appears to have been upset with the military, the Army in particular, and that's |
struggle4progress |
Jun-01-09 07:32 PM |
#62 |

Everyone in his religion is to blame for this |
JonQ |
Jun-01-09 08:16 PM |
#73 |
 
isn't is obvious that being a muslim idiot was responsible for this shooting |
provis99 |
Jun-01-09 08:22 PM |
#74 |
 
He only converted two years ago and his father isn't answering any questions. |
ohio2007 |
Jun-01-09 09:38 PM |
#93 |

"inadmissable and isn't even allowed brought up in a court of law." |
depakid |
Jun-02-09 12:50 AM |
#111 |
 
And you never sat on a jury have you ? |
ohio2007 |
Jun-02-09 11:05 AM |
#141 |

Timothy McVeigh was Catholic, but nobody thought to blame the Pope or Catholicism. |
ShortnFiery |
Jun-02-09 01:25 AM |
#117 |

There are multitudes of things nut-jobs will blame things on, religion is just a convenient place |
nolabels |
Jun-02-09 02:30 AM |
#124 |
 
True, my point was that it was inappropriate for the spokesman to jump to "the evil muslim" |
ShortnFiery |
Jun-02-09 02:33 AM |
#125 |

And it's so amazing so many get sucked into the propaganda of it |
nolabels |
Jun-02-09 03:27 AM |
#132 |

Army Recruiting Shooting Suspect Had Been Under FBI Investigation (KATV) |
struggle4progress |
Jun-02-09 10:06 AM |
#139 |
 
You have to treat him the way Pakistan treated the Taliban. Just BC mohammad went to Yemen |
ohio2007 |
Jun-02-09 11:14 AM |
#143 |

I don't know for sure that he actually went to Yemen: all I know is that media are claiming it |
struggle4progress |
Jun-02-09 03:30 PM |
#146 |

He went to Yemen. He was arrested there for using a Somali passport. |
MADem |
Jun-02-09 09:16 PM |
#156 |

I provided a link for that in #139: I merely add that such claims are not always true |
struggle4progress |
Jun-02-09 09:30 PM |
#158 |

In this case, I think it was true. The guy did time in a Yemeni jail for having a Somali passport |
MADem |
Jun-02-09 09:56 PM |
#159 |

Arkansas army center gunman trawled web for target (AFP) |
struggle4progress |
Jun-03-09 11:45 PM |
#175 |

People jumped immediately to radical christian |
JonQ |
Jun-02-09 10:23 AM |
#140 |

He might as well have been tried in Iran for blowing up a mosque. How neat and tidy they closed that |
ohio2007 |
Jun-02-09 11:07 AM |
#142 |

The NRA is responsible for the arming of terrorists |
IndianaGreen |
Jun-02-09 05:13 PM |
#149 |
 
You are right |
newinnm |
Jun-02-09 05:52 PM |
#150 |
 
I fart in your general direction.. |
Pavulon |
Jun-02-09 06:51 PM |
#154 |
  
Muhammad was jailed in Yemen for using fake Somali passport |
IndianaGreen |
Jun-02-09 10:38 PM |
#161 |
 
Was he headed to Somalia? He gonna join the pirates or do a little sport fishing ? |
ohio2007 |
Jun-02-09 10:58 PM |
#162 |
  
The only crime I have seen reported did not happen in the USA |
MADem |
Jun-03-09 09:53 AM |
#168 |
 
So then...what happened to his US passport.... ? a moot point in all this ? |
ohio2007 |
Jun-03-09 09:29 PM |
#173 |
 
He plainly still HAD his US passport--that's how he got home. He's from Memphis, TN. |
MADem |
Jun-04-09 07:24 AM |
#178 |
 
your post #159 was good info link and followed up by the fact he was an english teacher in #175 |
ohio2007 |
Jun-04-09 01:55 PM |
# |
 
your post #159 was good info link and followed up by the fact he was an english teacher in #175 |
ohio2007 |
Jun-04-09 01:55 PM |
#182 |
 
I read in one of the links in this thread that he also had a few Molotov cocktails in his truck |
MADem |
Jun-04-09 02:35 PM |
#185 |
 
Scary named dude (nice touch) was a felon so he was NOT able to purchase |
Pavulon |
Jun-02-09 10:58 PM |
#163 |
 
An SKS is an "assault weapon" like a Chevrolet pickup is a "high powered assault vehicle." |
benEzra |
Jun-04-09 12:02 PM |
#181 |
 
And the AAA is responsible for letting them escape in motor vehicles. |
krispos42 |
Jun-04-09 02:24 AM |
#177 |
  
You forgot to fault the state highway building commission |
ohio2007 |
Jun-04-09 02:08 PM |
#183 |
 
What lawsuit was that? |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Jun-04-09 10:45 PM |
#189 |
 
"Catch and release" prosecutors |
one-eyed fat man |
Jun-09-09 01:47 AM |
#190 |

Man pleads not guilty to killing new Army soldier (AP) |
struggle4progress |
Jun-02-09 10:27 PM |
#160 |
 
The truth is he just wanted to become a pirate,a buccaneer, a neo blackbeard |
ohio2007 |
Jun-03-09 09:45 PM |
#174 |
  
That's a standard plea. He obviously has an appointed lawyer. |
MADem |
Jun-04-09 07:33 AM |
#179 |
 
Timithy's legal council advised him against pleading guilty |
ohio2007 |
Jun-04-09 02:13 PM |
#184 |
 
Well, this guy is dealing, right now, with a state attorney general. NT |
MADem |
Jun-04-09 02:37 PM |
#186 |
 
Here's another curious tidbit |
MADem |
Jun-04-09 07:57 AM |
#180 |

Lawyer: Ark. attack suspect 'radicalized' in Yemen |
struggle4progress |
Jun-04-09 08:44 PM |
#188 |

Suspect tells AP soldier's killing was justified |
ohio2007 |
Jun-09-09 10:05 PM |
#191 |
derby378
(1000+ posts)
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Mon Jun-01-09 02:36 PM
Response to Original message |
| 1. Please don't let the suspect be a war protester... |
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What a horrible thing to happen.
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Tempest
(1000+ posts)
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Mon Jun-01-09 03:01 PM
Response to Reply #1 |
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Who was lied to by recruiters and got back from his 3rd tour in Iraq with post tramatic stress.
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ohio2007
(1000+ posts)
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Mon Jun-01-09 03:07 PM
Response to Reply #7 |
| 11. maybe it was the same guy that shot that doctor. nt |
ohio2007
(1000+ posts)
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Mon Jun-01-09 03:04 PM
Response to Reply #1 |
derby378
(1000+ posts)
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Mon Jun-01-09 03:07 PM
Response to Reply #9 |
| 12. I don't think there's any chance of that |
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CodePINK walks the walk. I have a lot of respect for them, even if I do think they go over-the-top sometimes - at least they're trying harder than most Americans do.
I just have a really bad feeling about this shooting. I hope I'm proven wrong, though.
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ohio2007
(1000+ posts)
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Mon Jun-01-09 03:25 PM
Response to Reply #12 |
| 15. well then what does "your gut" tell you ? nt |
mallard
(437 posts)
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Tue Jun-02-09 02:42 AM
Response to Reply #15 |
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... the shooter was a close relative of a soldier who got killed in Iraq, who had been aggressively recruited by one of the victims at that office.
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WriteDown
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Tue Jun-02-09 11:20 AM
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| 144. May want to see a doctor.... |
kristopher
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Mon Jun-01-09 05:44 PM
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| 37. Victims were two guys from the area where they were shot |  |
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And they just left a couple of months ago.
My first reaction is that the cause of the shooting predates their enlistment. Drugs are a bad problem in Little Rock, and I would place money on drugs/drug money as the motive.
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earcandle
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Mon Jun-01-09 02:43 PM
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| 2. OMG... please stop this. Our Armies are not our enemies. |  |
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They are our victims in wars that have no legal rights to
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girl gone mad
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Mon Jun-01-09 06:26 PM
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| 45. If you were any more transparent.. |
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we'd have to rename you earglass.
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devilgrrl
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Mon Jun-01-09 06:33 PM
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SoxFan
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Mon Jun-01-09 02:46 PM
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These were young kids home on leave who were part of the hometown recruiter program.
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struggle4progress
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Mon Jun-01-09 02:47 PM
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| 4. "... the shooter .. was arrested after his vehicle was pulled over on Interstate 630 ..." |
MADem
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Mon Jun-01-09 06:56 PM
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| 53. Those kids were not even real recruiters--they were HARPS. |
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Artis says the victims had just completed basic training and were spending two weeks in Little Rock to recruit in their home area, showing the difference that less than two months of training made in their lives.
Home Town Area Recruiting Program--it's a free extra bit of leave that masquerades as TAD. Boot camp graduates go to their home town, and work with their recruiter to put a personal face on the whole boot camp experience.
It's usually given to guys who have done well in boot camp and have a couple of spare weeks of slack between their graduation and the start of their advanced training. It's a two week to one month gig, usually.
That puts a different spin on the whole issue....
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struggle4progress
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Mon Jun-01-09 07:34 PM
Response to Reply #53 |
| 63. Current reports suggest they were shot simply because they were in uniform |
MADem
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Mon Jun-01-09 07:42 PM
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| 65. Crying shame, regardless. They were just out of boot camp, getting a bit of |
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"free" leave disguised as TAD before heading out to advanced training.
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struggle4progress
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Mon Jun-01-09 08:04 PM
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| 69. Yes: tragic, pointless, and all-too-common. |
Aviation Pro
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Mon Jun-01-09 02:51 PM
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| 5. These are not recruiters..... |
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...these were soldiers who had just finished BCT and were awaiting the start of their Advanced Individual Training courses. The service encourages young soldiers to return to their hometowns and shows their friends the result of completing their initial training.
Very sad that someone would single them out.
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ohio2007
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Mon Jun-01-09 03:08 PM
Response to Reply #5 |
| 13. They targetted the uniform nt |
kristopher
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Mon Jun-01-09 05:46 PM
Response to Reply #13 |
| 39. And you know that how? nt |  |
ohio2007
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Mon Jun-01-09 07:16 PM
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| 59. Well it didn't take very long did it ? |
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snip A Muslim convert who said he was opposed to the U.S. military shot two soldiers outside an Arkansas recruiting station...
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He has converted to Muslim here in the past few years," Hastings said. "To be honest we're not completely clear on what he was upset about. He had never been in the military."
snip http://www.usatoday.com/news/military/2009-06-01-army-r... maybe his local holy man cleric will now have to dance Maybe he was a confused gang banga for alla
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kristopher
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Mon Jun-01-09 08:15 PM
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| 72. And he may be hiding drug/gang activity behind a veil of lies. |  |
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The guy just got arrested for shooting two people and you automatically accept this story at face value?
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ohio2007
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Mon Jun-01-09 08:44 PM
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| 76. Police: Recruiting center gunman targeted military |
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LITTLE ROCK, Ark. (AP) - A man with "political and religious motives" killed a soldier just out of basic training and wounded another Monday in a targeted attack on a military recruiting center, police said. The shootings were not believed to be part of a broader scheme. snip http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D98I6F4G0&show_... He suffered from "Sudden Jihad Syndrome" and your just being racist.
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MADem
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Mon Jun-01-09 08:45 PM
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| 77. What's worse? Gang shooting or "I'm a terrorist?" |
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The first one is life in prison, the second one is the chair (or the needle).
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
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ohio2007
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Mon Jun-01-09 08:55 PM
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| 84. I doubt he's with MS-13,Bloods or whatever. He is currently "an army of one" |
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acting on his own but
I'd like to find out what defense his lawyer puts up due to what he will be told by his client.
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MADem
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Mon Jun-01-09 09:13 PM
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| 87. Unless he's got a death wish, the "terra terra" political/religious excuse is the wrong way to go. |
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The lawyers always start with the insanity defense in cases like this.
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ohio2007
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Mon Jun-01-09 09:42 PM
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| 94. imo, his lawyer will play other cards first |
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23 yr old victim of society ect.
Imagine if this was Iran.
he would be swinging from a pistachio tree in what? another 22 hours?
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No Elephants
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Tue Jun-02-09 06:46 PM
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| 152. I can't remember the last time I had Iranian pistachios. They're the only really good ones. |
MADem
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Tue Jun-02-09 09:17 PM
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| 157. I used to buy them in Iran by the grocery sack. They were very cheap and delicious, and |
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ENORMOUS. I've never seen such bigass pistachios!
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ohio2007
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Tue Jun-02-09 11:06 PM
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| 164. Now we are stuck with the California variety grown in the valley |
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using water stolen from other states aquafirs LOL
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kristopher
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Mon Jun-01-09 09:37 PM
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| 92. It really depends on what his motive is, doesn't it? |  |
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Since you don't know why he did it, it is absurd to speculate the way you are. Statistically the chances of any given shooting involving males of this age group is vastly more likely to be a personal grudge or drug related than it is related to terrorism. If the victims were two service members who had just arrived there from other areas of the country there MIGHT, repeat MIGHT be a basis for looking to anger at the military or terrorism. Given that BOTH VICTIMS WERE LOCALS the probability of this being a random event plummets.
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ohio2007
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Mon Jun-01-09 09:46 PM
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| 96. I'm sure his lawyer has advised him to legally STFU as he most likely said way to much already in |
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in the police 'interrogation' room.
Thats a vid I hope gets leaked to the public
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MADem
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Tue Jun-02-09 01:10 AM
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| 113. The difference is the death penalty or possible life without parole. |
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This guy is giving the police the death penalty excuse. So no, I don't "know" why he did it, but I know what he said to the police.
But whatever. You're fixated on your own little shoestring theory (rumors) and plainly uninterested in what every newspaper and television outlet has to say.
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obliviously
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Mon Jun-01-09 11:15 PM
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| 104. Where are the cries of outrage? |
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This was religious extremism!
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No Elephants
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Tue Jun-02-09 06:47 PM
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| 153. Two people were shot, that's for sure. What else it may have been remains to be seen. |
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ohio2007
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Tue Jun-02-09 11:29 PM
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| 165. now.....we must remember to respect the culture he has adopted two years ago and understand once he |
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decided to convert, he accepted certain truths and consequences. Because, it is written; Once you accept muhammad and his frame of mind thinking, it is a crime to renounce him and to go back to ( brand-X ).  so we should cut him some slack in such confusing times as these. He should have waited until after Obama came back from Egypt bc his story will be just that much more scrutinized in the land of the prophet. Perhaps the Saudi king will understand his motives? naw, he is only concerned with profits. I'm sure a few clerics will praise him behind closed mosque doors at any rate this friday if they mention the Obama speech from Cairo.  But realistically, I doubt this 'Mohammad of Arkansas' story will grow legs internationally as much as it is being covered here locally
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Xenotime
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Wed Jun-03-09 12:00 AM
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| 167. Please...give me a break. |
cboy4
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Mon Jun-01-09 02:53 PM
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  The Associated Press Originally published 10:22 a.m., June 1, 2009 Updated 12:02 p.m., June 1, 2009 Two U.S. Army recruiters were shot Monday morning in an apparent drive-by shooting at an Army-Navy recruiting station on North Rodney Parham Road in Little Rock, said Little Rock Police. One of the recruiters died just before noon. He is William Long of Little Rock. Quenton Ozeaghula, also of Little Rock, was injured. Police took a suspect into custody a short time later at the Interstate 30-630 interchange. Witnesses said the two recruiters, whose names and conditions have not been released, were standing outside the recruiting office at 9112 N. Rodney Parham Road at about 10:19 a.m. when a small, dark-colored open-bed sport utility vehicle drove up and someone fired six or seven shots. The two victims were taken to Baptist Medical Center. Police have not identified the person taken into custody. Police initially called at the department’s bomb squad after finding an assault rifle and a shotgun in the suspect’s vehicle, but no explosives were found. Thank you for coming to the Web site of the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette. We're working to keep you informed with the latest breaking news. http://www2.arkansasonline.com/news/2009/jun/01/witness... 
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chatnoir
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Mon Jun-01-09 06:33 PM
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Politicalboi
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Mon Jun-01-09 03:02 PM
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I wonder if it was a parent of a kid who got killed in Iraq and took revenge on the recruiting office.
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ohio2007
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Mon Jun-01-09 03:40 PM
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SoxFan
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Mon Jun-01-09 03:05 PM
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smitty
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Mon Jun-01-09 03:12 PM
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| 14. Maybe we should wait for the police report before assigning |
ohio2007
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Mon Jun-01-09 03:28 PM
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MADem
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Mon Jun-01-09 08:46 PM
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| 78. The police have reported. |
ohio2007
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Mon Jun-01-09 03:37 PM
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| 17. police have suspect in custody |
1monster
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Mon Jun-01-09 03:42 PM
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| 19. I've seen the regular recruiters use just out of basic soldiers in school cafeterias to |
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try to seduce still more high schoolers into the military. I was on lunch duty one day in a high school and saw a reluctant just-out-of-boot-camp soldier being badgered by his superior to get more kids interested. My son had a friend who joined up after high school and he was sent back to his high school after basic and told he couldn't leave for the day until he got two students ready to sign up... These two kids were were killed hadn't even had time to know whether or not the military was going to be good for them or not. Recruiting commander Lt. Col Thomas F. Artis says the victims had just completed basic training and were spending two weeks in Little Rock to recruit in their home area, showing the difference that less than two months of training made in their lives.
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newinnm
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Tue Jun-02-09 05:55 PM
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| 151. I spent 8 years in the military |
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three of them on recruiting duty. The vast vast majority of recruiters are honorable people who are just trying to do their jobs. Its because of the recruiters and the people who serve our military that helps protect our right to post even the most ridiculous things on interned discussion boards.
-nnnm
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1monster
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Tue Jun-02-09 11:55 PM
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| 166. Perhaps the majority of recruiters are honorable people. However, it only takes a small |
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percentage to make nonsense of your not-so-subtle dig at my post ridiculous.
I was in that cafeteria, standing close enough to hear every work, when the recruiter got on the young soldier for not engaging the students.
And the young, just-out-of-boot-camp soldier who is my son's friend, told him about the two-ready-sign-up minimum.
Nothing I stated in my post was ridiculous or made up.
BTW, recruiters lying to potential recruits has been an accepted reality for more years than I've been alive (and I'm in my 50s). Remember the Private Benjamin movie? It was fodder for comedy twenty years ago... at a time when there were no wars, police actions or other euphemisms for military actions which include kill or be killed.
Somewhere here on DU is a story about a young man who suffers from autism who signed up and was accepted by the military despite the recruiter, the doctors who did the preenlistment physical, and the basic training camp officials KNOWING about the autism. The young man had a conservatorship which did not allow him to enter into any kind of contract, which by common sense would also mean a military contract, because he was not competent to do so. The military maintains differently.
There have been way too many stories that have made the news since the Iraq War started for you to make like recruiter misconduct doesn't happen or that it is extremely rare.
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newinnm
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Thu Jun-04-09 01:25 AM
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The fact that you have to bring up Private Benjamin only serves to prove my point.
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1monster
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Thu Jun-04-09 06:53 PM
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sabra
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Mon Jun-01-09 04:30 PM
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| 20. Two Injured in West LR (Little Rock U.S. Army Recruiting office) Shooting |
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Source: KATVLittle Rock - One person is in custody, and two others have been transported to a local hospital in serious condition following a double-shooting in west Little Rock Monday morning. Authorities say the incident occurred around 10:00 a.m. at a U.S. Army Recruiting office at 9112 North Rodney Parham Road. According to Lt. Terry Hastings with the Little Rock Police Department, two recruiting officers standing outside the office were hit when the unidentified suspect drove up in a black SUV and began shooting. The suspect led police on a brief pursuit towards downtown Little Rock. That individual was taken into custody in the area of the Interstate 30/630 interchange. According to the Little Rock Fire Department, a bomb squad is currently on the scene, checking out a suspicious package inside the suspect's vehicle. Read more: http://www.katv.com/news/stories/0609/627959.html
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davepc
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Mon Jun-01-09 04:30 PM
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| 21. Political or personal motive? |
MADem
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Mon Jun-01-09 04:30 PM
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| 22. It would seem to be political. Time will tell. |
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According to the Little Rock Fire Department, a bomb squad is currently on the scene, checking out a suspicious package inside the suspect's vehicle.
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ohio2007
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Mon Jun-01-09 04:56 PM
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| 35. what political statement do you feel he wanted to make? |
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and what party affiliation could he possibly have had?
I'm sure 'they' will disown him in a heartbeat of being linked to him
jmo
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MADem
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Mon Jun-01-09 06:49 PM
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| 52. Who the hell knows? Normal people don't shoot recruiters in the street. |
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Or carry bomb-like stuff around in their cars.
It could be a "peacenik" taking it too far, it could be someone wanting to blame a murder on "peaceniks," it could be someone who is an anti-tax type who doesn't want his tax dollars going for military spending. It could be someone who is pissed because that recruiter recruited someone that was important to the shooter.
I have no idea why this guy would shoot these guys. If I had to guess, though, I'd say there was a political motive, and it might not have to do with an "antiwar" attitude, either--it could be one of those militia nuts.
I have no concept what "party" this bozo belongs to either--it's probably the Party of Crazy Assholes.
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ohio2007
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Mon Jun-01-09 08:51 PM
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| 82. We know what party he belongs to .... |
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I have no concept what "party" this bozo belongs to either--it's probably the Party of Crazy Assholes. But I doubt the media will dwell long over it as he acted alone. Nobody "in their right mind" will copy cat this "DC sniper",Part II jmo
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MADem
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Mon Jun-01-09 07:45 PM
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| 66. There's an update to this story that might answer some of your queries. |
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Mon Jun-01-09 08:46 PM
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MADem
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Mon Jun-01-09 08:50 PM
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| 81. It's polite to provide a link to the post. Old eyes can't find small numbers. |
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He wasn't a "they." It was just one idiot.
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ohio2007
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Mon Jun-01-09 09:59 PM
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| 99. At the time it wasn't known for sure |
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Mon Jun-01-09 03:08 PM Response to Reply #5 13. They targetted the uniform nt http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... It wasn't rocket science to figure out that it was 'a disturbed' , misunderstood idiot that the MSM reported four hours later Mon Jun-01-09 07:07 PM Response to Original message 57. Update: Police say Suspect Targeted Military http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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kristopher
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Mon Jun-01-09 05:48 PM
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| 40. Do you have information that hasn't been posted? |  |
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Because there is nothing in the posted information that shows motive.
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MADem
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Mon Jun-01-09 06:44 PM
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| 50. Did you see the paragraph I posted? |
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Drive-by fellahs don't normally carry bombs around in their cars.
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kristopher
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Mon Jun-01-09 06:47 PM
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| 51. It doesn't say there is a bomb. |  |
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It says there is a "suspicious package". And even if it were a bomb that doesn't go to motive at all.
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MADem
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Mon Jun-01-09 06:59 PM
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| 54. It turns out the report is technically wrong--those kids were not recruiters. |
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They were just out of basic training, on a temporary "recruiter assistant" program that all the services have. They were kids who were between boot camp and their advanced training, who are stashed at recruiting stations to help the recruiters by offering personal anecdotes to potential prospects. But they were not "recruiters." To be a recruiter, you've got to go through a lengthy training course.
From a link upthread:
Artis says the victims had just completed basic training and were spending two weeks in Little Rock to recruit in their home area, showing the difference that less than two months of training made in their lives.
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kristopher
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Mon Jun-01-09 08:06 PM
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| 70. They are on recruiting duty. |  |
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The are attached to the recruiting office and it is correct to refer to them as recruiters. There is a distinction between those on long term recruiting duty, but the reporting was accurate as it made clear they were on temporary duty. That's why I think the shooting was personal.
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MADem
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Mon Jun-01-09 08:43 PM
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| 75. No, they are not "on" recruiting duty. It is not correct to refer to them as recruiters, because |
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that is not what they were. As someone who ran a recruiting command, I know--those kids were TAD "Harpers" -- temporary assistants, there for a two week TAD to show other kids that boot camp isn't so horrible-- not the real thing. In order to be a recruiter, you have to go through a very long course of instruction, that lasts, depending on branch of service and the duties to which one will be assigned, from six to nine weeks. It's not something a kid coming off eight or nine weeks of boot camp is equipped to do, or has the credentials to do. Those kids were not qualified to write contracts. They were qualified to make the coffee, pick up kids and run them to MEPS for their physicals, chat up their friends, make introductions to the recruiter running the station to which they were TAD, go with a recruiter on a home visit or a high school visit, but not to act unilaterally. The shootings were not "personal" -- they've established that this guy was gunning for people in uniform. http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gQACN... Police: Recruiting center gunman targeted militaryBy NOAH TRISTER – 52 minutes ago LITTLE ROCK, Ark. (AP) — A man with "political and religious motives" killed a soldier just out of basic training and wounded another Monday in a targeted attack on a military recruiting center, police said. The shootings were not believed to be part of a broader scheme. The soldiers completed basic training within the past two weeks and were not regular recruiters, said Lt. Col. Thomas F. Artis of the Oklahoma City Recruiting Battalion, which oversees the Little Rock office. William Long, 24, of Conway, died, and Quinton Ezeagwula, 18, of Jacksonville, was wounded and in stable condition, Police Chief Stuart Thomas said. Both men were from nearby hometowns and volunteered to work at the recruiting center to attract other locals to the military. "They can show the example, 'Here's where I was, and here is where I am,'" Artis said. Police arrested Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad, 23, along a crosstown interstate moments after the shootings at the Army-Navy Career Center in a shopping center in west Little Rock. Muhammad acted alone, the police chief said, and based on an interview with officers, the suspect "probably had political and religious motives for the attack.".....
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kristopher
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Mon Jun-01-09 09:29 PM
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| 90. You continually over reach |  |
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A preliminary hearsay statement isn't evidence of motive any more than the nonexistent BOMB you were pointing to a couple of hours ago was.
And I don't give a fig whether you claim to have "Ran a recruiting command" or not, 1) these kids on temp duty are referred to as being on "recruiting duty" and it is common for not only for anyone outside the system refer to them as recruiters but for them to refer to themselves as recruiters. In the article you cite the distinction was made much as it was in all others, they are "not REGULAR recruiters." That doesn't say they "Aren't recruiters" it says they are recruiters but not RREGULAR recruiters. Both my daughter and my son-in-law pulled this duty in the USMC and for his part when he crossed over to the Navy.
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MADem
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Mon Jun-01-09 09:48 PM
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| 97. Do you need a tweezer to get that hair out? |
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You don't have to believe me, believe the guy who runs the recruiting command where those kids were TAD. That's in the article, too. The two soldiers had finished basic training but had not yet been deployed to Iraq or any other facility, Hastings said. "They were members of what we call our Hometown Assistance Recruiting Program. They were soldiers that we had enlisted through that station or similar stations in that area," said Lieutenant Colonel Tom Curtis, from the Oklahoma recruiting battalion. "They were from the Little Rock area. That's as far as I can give you right now." http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090601/ts_alt_afp/usmilit... Stuff that's "common" as dirt can be wrong, you know. A "recruiter" by definition is a person who can sign and witness a DD Form 4 contract and attachments on behalf of the government of the United States. There are training AND paygrade requirements to do that job. Those two kids had insufficient training or paygrade to perform those duties. They were two lads TAD for two weeks on a boondoggle out of boot camp, whose job was to do gopher work, strut the uniform and chit chat. They were enjoying a short hiatus prior to going on to their guaranteed training or their permanent duty station. They were not "recruiters." If you don't want to discuss this topic, don't. You're babbling about "evidence" like you're Perry Mason, and demanding absolutes like you're on the scene and know better than anyone else. This is a rapidly evolving news story, and you're no more "right" than the next person with an opinion. So you have a nice day. And take it down a notch before you blow a gasket.
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kristopher
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Tue Jun-02-09 12:18 AM
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| 106. You're the one going off half cocked. |  |
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You are jumping to conclusions and being reactionary. That kind of public reaction needs to be confronted when it happens. I'm sorry you don't like it but all you need to do is heed your own advice - take a breath and tone it down. The guy might be a terrorist, he might be nuts or he might have a sister who is in love with someone he doesn't like.
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MADem
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Tue Jun-02-09 12:46 AM
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| 110. No, I'm simply following the story in the media. You're making shit up and getting ticked that |
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no one here sees things your way. Talk about rumors! Frustrated screenwriter?
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kristopher
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Tue Jun-02-09 01:15 AM
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| 114. Please go back and review the tread. |  |
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Your memory is playing very large tricks on you. Remember when you have proof there was a bomb proving he was a terrorists? Remember when you missed the part that they were just out of basic on temp assignment to the home they only just left?
Those two alone are very laaaaaaaarge mistakes and yet you just go on and on and on with the same type of rumormongering.
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MADem
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Tue Jun-02-09 01:36 AM
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| 119. Who said anything about "proof" except you, Rumorboy? |
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Your fixation on an alternate scenario, in the absence of growing reports to the contrary, that no one else is postulating is rather curious. As is your insistence that these sourced and quoted media reports are "rumors," while you won't categorize your own pipe dream scenarios, invented in your head, in the same fashion. Here, read the NYT and call them a bunch of liars, too, why doncha? You seem to get your jollies from doing that. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/02/us/02recruit.html?bl&... LITTLE ROCK, Ark. — A 23-year-old man upset about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan opened fire from his truck at two soldiers standing outside a military recruiting station here on Monday morning, killing one private and wounding another, the police said. The gunman, identified by the police as Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad of Little Rock, fled the scene and was arrested minutes later a short distance from the recruiting station, in a bustling suburban shopping center. The police confiscated a Russian-made SKS semiautomatic rifle, a .22-caliber rifle and a handgun from his black pickup truck.....In a lengthy interview with the police, Mr. Muhammad said he was angry about the killing of Muslims in Iraq and Afghanistan, Chief Thomas said. Previously known as Carlos Bledsoe, Mr. Muhammad told investigators that he had converted to Islam as a teenager, Chief Thomas said. Chief Thomas said investigators believe that Mr. Muhammad acted alone. He seemed to be familiar with the Army recruiting office because it was not far from his home, the chief said, but might have been on the prowl for anyone in uniform....
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kristopher
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Tue Jun-02-09 01:43 AM
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Let's see what the story is 72 hours from now; I mean, 12 hours after the announcement, what was the NYT saying last week about the "terrorist plot" of those dumbasses that were conned by the FBI?
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MADem
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Tue Jun-02-09 01:49 AM
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| 122. That's pretty funny--you gave the guy a sister and a gang, and you |
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don't see who's doing the projecting here?  Yeah, let's SEE what the story is in three days, why not? I'm game. I'll bet, when it turns out to be the exact same story that we're seeing in the NYT this morning, that you'll be nowhere to be found. I'm guessing that's how you roll. But see, that's only 'speculation.'
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kristopher
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Tue Jun-02-09 02:39 AM
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In a simian sort of way...
I gave the guy nothing. I simply used examples to illustrate that we know nothing about him. Do you know if he knows either of the victims in any way? Until we do, claiming he is a terrorist, that he did it for his religion or that he just hates the military is nothing but utter bullshit. One of those motives may turn out to be correct, but at this point there is no more basis for concluding they have merit than the illustrations I used.
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MADem
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Tue Jun-02-09 03:37 AM
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| 133. No -- I'm dead serious. The one acting like a bit of a monkey is you. |
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Ah, now your "speculation" becomes "examples?" "Illustrations?" No...they're silly little rumors that you made up. Ideas that came to you, absent any suggestion of them in any of the dozens of news articles. Please. You've stepped in it up to your neck. You make crap up, and then you backpedal. And it turns out, you're just so incredibly wrong! This Bledsoe/Muhamad guy's father lives in Memphis. Yet you assume the guy lived in Little Rock for a good chunk of his life and knew these guys (but according to the local news report below, second link, he's only lived in LR a few months). Why do you assume that the shooter and his victims know each other? Seems like these guys were in boot camp when our shooter moved to LR. One of the guys who was shot--the one killed-- is from Conway, not Little Rock. The one who was wounded, but not killed, was from Jacksonville. They're not even from the same town or city where the shooter had his apartment (near the recruiting office)--so why "must" they know each other? And why even think there might be drugs, gangs or sisters involved, per your silly scenario? William Long, 23, of Conway, died in the attack on the Army-Navy Career Center in a west Little Rock shopping center, and Quinton Ezeagwula, 18, of Jacksonville, was wounded and in stable condition, Police Chief Stuart Thomas said. http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2009/jun/01/soldie... / And gee, our shooter just got back from....YEMEN. Yes. YEMEN. You know, where that pathetic John Walker Lindh (who was called "Yusuf Islam" as a joke by his instructors) went to learn Arabic? AND...he's under investigation by the FBI! The Terrorist Task Force, too, as we find out below! I think your "gang/drugs/sister" rumors/speculation/examples got even more unlikely: http://www.katv.com/news/stories/0609/628151.html The suspect is 23-year old Abdul hakim Mujahid Muhammad and is behind bars at the Pulaski County Jail. Police say it appears he targeted military members because of his political and religious beliefs. Authorities have told ABC News, Muhammed had just returned from Yemen and was already the subject of an FBI (web) investigation. Oh, but wait....there's more. The guy was ARRESTED in Yemen...for using a Somali passport! The suspect arrested in the fatal shooting of one soldier and the critical injury of another at a Little Rock, Ark., Army recruiting booth today was under investigation by the FBI's Joint Terrorist Task Force since his return from Yemen, ABC News has learned. The investigation was in its preliminary stages, authorities said, and was based on the suspect's travel to Yemen and his arrest there for using a Somali passport. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=7730637&page=1 Have a banana--in a simian sort of way, of course.
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TheWraith
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Mon Jun-01-09 04:30 PM
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| 23. Sounds like somebody had a grudge against the Army. |
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Twenty bucks says that either this is a disgruntled vet lashing out at recruiters, or else somebody who got turned down for military service.
Anyway, if the two recruiters are only described as being in "serious" condition, then they'll make it.
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proteus_lives
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Mon Jun-01-09 04:30 PM
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| 26. I'm going to say someone who was turned down. |
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I'm not sure why but I think a disgruntled vet would just walk into the office and start shooting.
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pasto76
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Mon Jun-01-09 04:30 PM
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| 27. a disgruntled vet would have killed them. |
struggle4progress
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Mon Jun-01-09 07:36 PM
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| 64. Suspect apparently was never in the army |
MADem
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Tue Jun-02-09 02:22 PM
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| 145. A guy who hates the military, apparently, who had travelled to Yemen, who got |
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arrested using a Somali passport over there, and who was under FBI terrorist task force surveillance. He'd only been in LR a couple of months--he didn't even know those kids. That's from ABC news.
Pity the FBI weren't surveilling the guy a little closer...that dead kid would be alive if they had done.
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Milspec
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Mon Jun-01-09 04:30 PM
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the other critical with a head wound
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TheWraith
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Mon Jun-01-09 04:30 PM
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| 33. I should have known better than to make assumptions based on the media report. nt |
kristopher
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Mon Jun-01-09 05:50 PM
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| 41. I don't think it's a vet. The kids shot were local... |  |
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And the were involved in local activities just a couple of months ago. Those activities could easily have involved drugs.
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MADem
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Mon Jun-01-09 07:03 PM
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| 55. Maybe not. The report is inaccurate. The kids who were shot were not recruiters. |
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They were on a Home Town Area Recruiting Program scheme, where kids fresh out of boot camp are assigned to a recruiting station for two weeks. They help the recruiter and tell positive stories about boot camp, and put a human face on the process. It helps overcome fear of the unknown for kids who are nervous about going to boot camp.
This program has been in existence for many, many decades. It works, too, and it also serves as a place to stash kids when their advanced training is a month or so away from their graduation from boot camp. So it might have been something as simple as a neighborhood grudge, or something.
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lies and propaganda
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Mon Jun-01-09 04:30 PM
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But 9 years after being recruited, I STILL want to punch my lying sack of shit recruiter in the face.
Not one thing they told me was true, and the lies they told were detrimental. I went in as Dietitian and then was stationed as a MEDIC at Walter fucking Reed.
Lying in any way you can to get the numbers you need is sure to piss us a few of us lowly schmucks, im sure.
Hope they are okay and find a new, less karmically fucked career path.
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pasto76
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Mon Jun-01-09 04:30 PM
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| 28. Word! Then SFC Dreger, you bold faced lied to my mother. |
lies and propaganda
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Mon Jun-01-09 04:30 PM
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Try makingtaht a little more clear dude. Are you saying that its bullshit that I think i was lied to?
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Cha
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Mon Jun-01-09 06:43 PM
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| 49. I think he was agreeing with you |
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in his own inimitable way.
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Ian David
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Mon Jun-01-09 04:39 PM
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| 34. Navy recruiter told me you would never be asked to do more than 20 push-ups... EVER. n/t |  |
ohio2007
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Mon Jun-01-09 09:51 PM
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| 98. How many did you do after boot camp? |
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unless... Did you have a little NJP time ?  lol
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Ian David
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Tue Jun-02-09 10:01 AM
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| 138. I actually eneded up not signing-up. n/t |  |
MADem
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Mon Jun-01-09 11:06 PM
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| 103. Jeez, ya flunk the PT test if that's all ya can do!!! nt |
kristopher
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Tue Jun-02-09 01:17 AM
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| 115. I'd be willing to bet the recruiter told the truth... |  |
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in that case if that is what was said. I was never ASKED to do even a single pushup when I was in.
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Ian David
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Tue Jun-02-09 10:00 AM
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| 137. Ohhh... good point... not "asked" but ORDERED. n/t |  |
bdab1973
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Tue Jun-02-09 05:11 PM
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| 148. Did you have a degree? |
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Because if you did, you shouldn't have even bothered talking to a "regular" recruiter, and gone straight to the medical officer recruiters. They specifically recruit people with medical degrees, and they will NOT sign you up to be a simple medic. There is no enlisted MOS for a dietitian in any branch of the military. A simple visit to the Army recruiting website would tell you to go to a medical officer recruiter.
While it's disturbing that a regular recruiter (ie, someone who recruits enlisted personnel) somehow convinced you that you'd be a dietitian if you enlisted in the military, it's equally mind-boggling why you didn't do any basic research before joining. I think I had a pile of literature to sift through before I even called a recruiter, and that was both times (enlisted in the Army National Guard at 18, and went through active USAF Officer Training School some 8 years later).
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jehovas_waitress
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Mon Jun-01-09 04:30 PM
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ohio2007
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Mon Jun-01-09 09:01 PM
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| 86. not on this Continent but the one across the pond has had threats against its way of thinking . |
Gidney N Cloyd
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Mon Jun-01-09 04:30 PM
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| 31. "Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room!" nt |
rocktivity
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Mon Jun-01-09 04:30 PM
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A parent angry that his/her child enlisted against his/her wishes A solder between deployments angry about having to go back A veteran having a flashback A rejected recruit angry about having been rejected A Gulf War protestor A parent/relative of a disabled vet angry about the lack of help s/he's getting A really bad idea for a gang initiation... rocktitivy
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humbled_opinion
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Mon Jun-01-09 05:45 PM
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A misinformation black box campaign by right wing radicals to somehow implicate anti-war protesters to this deed in light of the anti-abortionists murder of Dr. Tiller.
I already hear cries that Obama spoke out on the Tiller murder but hasn't taken a stand against the leftists that perpetrated this act on recruiters.
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John Kerry VonErich
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Mon Jun-01-09 08:58 PM
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| 85. Hmmm, food for thought there. |
twitomy
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Mon Jun-01-09 07:54 PM
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FailureToCommunicate
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Mon Jun-01-09 04:57 PM
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| 36. More than 30 replies before cause is discussed? Reason? Unknown as yet. Cause? Easy guns. |
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Edited on Mon Jun-01-09 05:01 PM by FailureToCommunicate
With out easy gun access that guy who didn't like "army" for whatever reason would only have been able to throw a few insults or maybe a beer can at those poor kids in uniform. As it is there are more grieving mothers and families. And before you DU - NRA fans pop up to rant about all the other ways those two victims could have been killed (tossing bath tubs, etc) ask your self this: How would your mom feel if you were shot by some disgruntled nut?
Condolences for their unfortunate families
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Pavulon
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Mon Jun-01-09 05:54 PM
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| 42. Yep easy guns is the answer, they are responsible for everything.. |
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combat deaths in iraq, civilian deaths, those loose guns even shot the doctor in kansas. A PERSON is responsible for their actions.
I would feel the PERSON who killed my loved one should die in florence adx crazy as a loon and eating their own shit from being locked away from human contact for 40 years.
After I got over the initial reaction which would to cold kill the motherfucker who did that to my family.
(reconsidered term) you and the NRA neither one of you represent common sense.
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quickesst
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Mon Jun-01-09 05:55 PM
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| 43. I don't like the NRA.... |
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...but the idea that the guy couldn't have "easy access" whether the gun laws were stricter or not is naive. Easy access is not exclusive to loose gun shows, or unscrupulous gun dealers. As a matter of fact the easiest access there is for those wanting weapons for criminal intent is through the black market on the street where stolen weapons are easily purchased. Besides, the guy was driving an SUV, usually more deadly than a bullet when used as a weapon, and this guy obviously wanted the two soldiers absolutely dead. The suspect and his reasons for his actions are why they were attacked. Take a gun or a knife away from someone with murder in mind, and they do not magically transform into a model citizen. They will still find a way to kill you. Like I said, make gun purchases illegal period, and these two most likely would still have suffered gunshot wounds. Money = easy access. And this...."And before you DU - NRA fans pop up to rant about all the other ways those two victims could have been killed (tossing bath tubs, etc) ask your self this: How would your mom feel if you were shot by some disgruntled nut?" ....doesn't even make any sense.  ....but it's a lot better than some of the stuff I've read and heard. Thanks. quickesst
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FailureToCommunicate
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Mon Jun-01-09 09:17 PM
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| 88. You're right, that part doesn't make any sense. I just came back from my younger brother's |
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funeral so I was not expressing myself well. What I meant to say is that every time there is another thread on DU about another killing with guns, it isn't long before someone jumps in to argue against all the posts decrying guns to say that the victim or victims could just as easily been killed with _______ (and here they list several interesting but highly less likely ways to kill someone.) The inescapable fact that in the US there are 30,000 plus deaths involving guns each year. Not from drowning someone in a bath tub or hitting them with a base ball bat or shoving them in front of a fast moving train, though those happen sometimes. Those thirty thousand are Just plain old guns. Someone else then pops up and repeats that there are 30,000 plus deaths from auto accidents. But of course those are mostly NOT suicides or murder, just stupid drivers and laws of physics. It is impossible to change human nature, but there would sure be a lot less successful attempted murders if there were fewer guns available to any damn person that was motivated to get one (or had one already in a drawer or by their bedside). Just sayin'
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jehovas_waitress
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Mon Jun-01-09 06:16 PM
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| 44. Shooter Identified as Abulhakin Muhammad formerly Carlos Bledsoe |
girl gone mad
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Mon Jun-01-09 06:28 PM
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| 46. More religious terrorism. |
MADem
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Mon Jun-01-09 07:05 PM
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| 56. Did he graduate with the kids he shot? Or is he an Al Q wannabee? NT |
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twitomy
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Mon Jun-01-09 07:55 PM
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are capable of "hate crimes" /sarcasm off
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maddezmom
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Mon Jun-01-09 07:07 PM
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| 57. Update: Police say Suspect Targeted Military |
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Just after 5:00 this evening, Little Rock Police say Abulhakin Muhammad, also known as Carlos Bledsoe, is charged with capital murder and 15 counts of terroristic acts after a shooting at an Army/Navy recruitment center on Rodney Parham Road in Little Rock. Little Rock Police Chief Stuart Thomas says Muhammad targeted military personnel. 23-year-old Private William Long, of Conway, died as a result of his injuries. 18-year-old Private Quinton Ezeagwula, of Jacksonville, was also shot. Chief Thomas says he is in stable condition and will recover. Around two o'clock Monday afternoon, police and bomb squad officers went Muhammad's apartment off Napa Valley Drive in the Bristol Park complex. The military revealed information about what the victims were doing at the center. Lt. Col. Thomas F. Artis, Commander of the Oklahoma recruiting battalion which has command over the Little Rock recruiting station says the soldiers were enlisted men, not officers, and that they did not work as recruiters. Lt. Col. Artis says they were part of a recruiting program called "hometown recruiting assistance." ~snip~ A witness to the shooting told KARK 4 they were sitting at a nearby traffic light when they heard the gunfire and saw a vehicle speed away from the scene. Another witness saw it all happen from an apartment complex across the street. The FBI is assisting in the investigation. Police have been questioning the suspect since his arrest, but have not yet filed any charges. more: http://arkansasmatters.com/content/fulltext/?cid=226222
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struggle4progress
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Mon Jun-01-09 07:28 PM
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| 60. ... Police .. say a man who shot two .. soldiers .. likely had "political and religious motives" ... |
kristopher
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Mon Jun-01-09 08:09 PM
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| 71. You are SOURCING FAUX NEWS and the article doesn't contain your quotes. |  |
MADem
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Mon Jun-01-09 08:48 PM
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http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gQACN... Muhammad acted alone, the police chief said, and based on an interview with officers, the suspect "probably had political and religious motives for the attack."
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kristopher
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Mon Jun-01-09 09:31 PM
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| 91. And there are WMDs in Iraq... |  |
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...bombs in the suspects van and terrorists on every street corner.
Give it a rest and stop being so rash.
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MADem
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Mon Jun-01-09 10:58 PM
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| 101. You really DO need a tweezers. And maybe some powder for that rash of YOURS, too! |
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 Valiant try with the "WMD in Iraq" redirect, though!!
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struggle4progress
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Mon Jun-01-09 11:27 PM
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| 105. I'm not sure what you're trying to say. I'm merely tracking news coverage here: |
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it is not my view that the attack was religiously or politically motivated, nor is it my view that the Muslim name apparently used by the suspect has any deep significance
If I were to make a guess right now, based on the limited knowledge I have, I would guess (following an idea upthread) that the shooter was a person who was angry with the Army for some ill-defined or petty reason -- perhaps the Army refused to recruit him, for example
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struggle4progress
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Mon Jun-01-09 08:52 PM
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| 83. It's at top of story when I click link. I give two other stories below if you don't like this one |
MADem
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Mon Jun-01-09 11:03 PM
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| 102. He's just mad at everyone. You can give him links till the cows come home. |
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Apparently, his "opinion" about the way this story needs to shake out is the only valid one.
He's carping at anyone who doesn't see it his way.
Hey, it's the internet. Strangers in the night, and all that. Whatchagonnado? It's not you, it's him.
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kristopher
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Tue Jun-02-09 12:23 AM
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I'm a total prick when people insist on spreading rumors. I don't care if they source the rumors to a news article or not, if they can't practice basic critical thinking I'm happy to help out.
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