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Two Army Recruiters Shot, One Dead In Little Rock Shooting
Source: KTHV tv

Little Rock police are investigating a double shooting at a west Little Rock shopping center. Two Army recruiters were hit by gunfire. One of the victims has died from his wounds.

The two men were wounded outside an Army recruiting office in the Ashley Square Shopping Center off Rodney Parham Road near Reservoir Road around 10:20 a.m.

According to Little Rock police, someone inside a black SUV opened fire on two recruiters standing outside the office. One victim died late Monday morning. The other victim is reportedly in serious condition.

Recruiting commander Lt. Col Thomas F. Artis says the victims had just completed basic training and were spending two weeks in Little Rock to recruit in their home area, showing the difference that less than two months of training made in their lives.



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   Please don't let the suspect be a war protester...  derby378   Jun-01-09 02:36 PM   #1 
   More likely a soldier  Tempest   Jun-01-09 03:01 PM   #7 
   maybe it was the same guy that shot that doctor. nt  ohio2007   Jun-01-09 03:07 PM   #11 
   ?  ohio2007   Jun-01-09 03:04 PM   #9 
   I don't think there's any chance of that  derby378   Jun-01-09 03:07 PM   #12 
      well then what does "your gut" tell you ? nt  ohio2007   Jun-01-09 03:25 PM   #15 
         My gut tells me ...  mallard   Jun-02-09 02:42 AM   #127 
            May want to see a doctor....  WriteDown   Jun-02-09 11:20 AM   #144 
   Victims were two guys from the area where they were shot  kristopher   Jun-01-09 05:44 PM   #37 
   OMG... please stop this. Our Armies are not our enemies.  earcandle   Jun-01-09 02:43 PM   #2 
   If you were any more transparent..  girl gone mad   Jun-01-09 06:26 PM   #45 
      Uh...  devilgrrl   Jun-01-09 06:33 PM   #48 
   Oh god...  SoxFan   Jun-01-09 02:46 PM   #3 
   "... the shooter .. was arrested after his vehicle was pulled over on Interstate 630 ..."  struggle4progress   Jun-01-09 02:47 PM   #4 
   Those kids were not even real recruiters--they were HARPS.  MADem   Jun-01-09 06:56 PM   #53 
      Current reports suggest they were shot simply because they were in uniform  struggle4progress   Jun-01-09 07:34 PM   #63 
         Crying shame, regardless. They were just out of boot camp, getting a bit of  MADem   Jun-01-09 07:42 PM   #65 
            Yes: tragic, pointless, and all-too-common.  struggle4progress   Jun-01-09 08:04 PM   #69 
   These are not recruiters.....  Aviation Pro   Jun-01-09 02:51 PM   #5 
   They targetted the uniform nt  ohio2007   Jun-01-09 03:08 PM   #13 
      And you know that how? nt  kristopher   Jun-01-09 05:46 PM   #39 
         Well it didn't take very long did it ?  ohio2007   Jun-01-09 07:16 PM   #59 
            And he may be hiding drug/gang activity behind a veil of lies.  kristopher   Jun-01-09 08:15 PM   #72 
            Police: Recruiting center gunman targeted military  ohio2007   Jun-01-09 08:44 PM   #76 
            What's worse? Gang shooting or "I'm a terrorist?"  MADem   Jun-01-09 08:45 PM   #77 
               I doubt he's with MS-13,Bloods or whatever. He is currently "an army of one"  ohio2007   Jun-01-09 08:55 PM   #84 
               Unless he's got a death wish, the "terra terra" political/religious excuse is the wrong way to go.  MADem   Jun-01-09 09:13 PM   #87 
                  imo, his lawyer will play other cards first  ohio2007   Jun-01-09 09:42 PM   #94 
                     I can't remember the last time I had Iranian pistachios. They're the only really good ones.  No Elephants   Jun-02-09 06:46 PM   #152 
                        I used to buy them in Iran by the grocery sack. They were very cheap and delicious, and  MADem   Jun-02-09 09:17 PM   #157 
                           Now we are stuck with the California variety grown in the valley  ohio2007   Jun-02-09 11:06 PM   #164 
               It really depends on what his motive is, doesn't it?  kristopher   Jun-01-09 09:37 PM   #92 
                  I'm sure his lawyer has advised him to legally STFU as he most likely said way to much already in  ohio2007   Jun-01-09 09:46 PM   #96 
                  The difference is the death penalty or possible life without parole.  MADem   Jun-02-09 01:10 AM   #113 
            Where are the cries of outrage?  obliviously   Jun-01-09 11:15 PM   #104 
               Two people were shot, that's for sure. What else it may have been remains to be seen.  No Elephants   Jun-02-09 06:47 PM   #153 
               now.....we must remember to respect the culture he has adopted two years ago and understand once he  ohio2007   Jun-02-09 11:29 PM   #165 
               Please...give me a break.  Xenotime   Jun-03-09 12:00 AM   #167 
   One person in custody  cboy4   Jun-01-09 02:53 PM   #6 
   Omg  chatnoir   Jun-01-09 06:33 PM   #47 
   Very sad story  Politicalboi   Jun-01-09 03:02 PM   #8 
   no  ohio2007   Jun-01-09 03:40 PM   #18 
   Suspect arrested  SoxFan   Jun-01-09 03:05 PM   #10 
   Maybe we should wait for the police report before assigning  smitty   Jun-01-09 03:12 PM   #14 
      why wait ?  ohio2007   Jun-01-09 03:28 PM   #16 
      The police have reported.  MADem   Jun-01-09 08:46 PM   #78 
   police have suspect in custody  ohio2007   Jun-01-09 03:37 PM   #17 
   I've seen the regular recruiters use just out of basic soldiers in school cafeterias to  1monster   Jun-01-09 03:42 PM   #19 
   I spent 8 years in the military  newinnm   Jun-02-09 05:55 PM   #151 
      Perhaps the majority of recruiters are honorable people. However, it only takes a small  1monster   Jun-02-09 11:55 PM   #166 
         Private Benjamin  newinnm   Jun-04-09 01:25 AM   #176 
            Whatever.  1monster   Jun-04-09 06:53 PM   #187 
   Two Injured in West LR (Little Rock U.S. Army Recruiting office) Shooting  sabra   Jun-01-09 04:30 PM   #20 
   Political or personal motive?  davepc   Jun-01-09 04:30 PM   #21 
   It would seem to be political. Time will tell.  MADem   Jun-01-09 04:30 PM   #22 
      what political statement do you feel he wanted to make?  ohio2007   Jun-01-09 04:56 PM   #35 
      Who the hell knows? Normal people don't shoot recruiters in the street.  MADem   Jun-01-09 06:49 PM   #52 
      We know what party he belongs to ....  ohio2007   Jun-01-09 08:51 PM   #82 
      There's an update to this story that might answer some of your queries.  MADem   Jun-01-09 07:45 PM   #66 
         See post #13.nt  ohio2007   Jun-01-09 08:46 PM   #79 
            It's polite to provide a link to the post. Old eyes can't find small numbers.  MADem   Jun-01-09 08:50 PM   #81 
               At the time it wasn't known for sure  ohio2007   Jun-01-09 09:59 PM   #99 
      Do you have information that hasn't been posted?  kristopher   Jun-01-09 05:48 PM   #40 
         Did you see the paragraph I posted?  MADem   Jun-01-09 06:44 PM   #50 
            It doesn't say there is a bomb.  kristopher   Jun-01-09 06:47 PM   #51 
               It turns out the report is technically wrong--those kids were not recruiters.  MADem   Jun-01-09 06:59 PM   #54 
                  They are on recruiting duty.  kristopher   Jun-01-09 08:06 PM   #70 
                     No, they are not "on" recruiting duty. It is not correct to refer to them as recruiters, because  MADem   Jun-01-09 08:43 PM   #75 
                        You continually over reach  kristopher   Jun-01-09 09:29 PM   #90 
                           Do you need a tweezer to get that hair out?  MADem   Jun-01-09 09:48 PM   #97 
                              You're the one going off half cocked.  kristopher   Jun-02-09 12:18 AM   #106 
                                 No, I'm simply following the story in the media. You're making shit up and getting ticked that  MADem   Jun-02-09 12:46 AM   #110 
                                    Please go back and review the tread.  kristopher   Jun-02-09 01:15 AM   #114 
                                       Who said anything about "proof" except you, Rumorboy?  MADem   Jun-02-09 01:36 AM   #119 
                                          Project much???  kristopher   Jun-02-09 01:43 AM   #120 
                                             That's pretty funny--you gave the guy a sister and a gang, and you  MADem   Jun-02-09 01:49 AM   #122 
                                                You're funny  kristopher   Jun-02-09 02:39 AM   #126 
                                                   No -- I'm dead serious. The one acting like a bit of a monkey is you.  MADem   Jun-02-09 03:37 AM   #133 
   Sounds like somebody had a grudge against the Army.  TheWraith   Jun-01-09 04:30 PM   #23 
   I'm going to say someone who was turned down.  proteus_lives   Jun-01-09 04:30 PM   #26 
   a disgruntled vet would have killed them.  pasto76   Jun-01-09 04:30 PM   #27 
   Suspect apparently was never in the army  struggle4progress   Jun-01-09 07:36 PM   #64 
   A guy who hates the military, apparently, who had travelled to Yemen, who got  MADem   Jun-02-09 02:22 PM   #145 
   One dead  Milspec   Jun-01-09 04:30 PM   #29 
   I should have known better than to make assumptions based on the media report. nt  TheWraith   Jun-01-09 04:30 PM   #33 
   I don't think it's a vet. The kids shot were local...  kristopher   Jun-01-09 05:50 PM   #41 
   Maybe not. The report is inaccurate. The kids who were shot were not recruiters.  MADem   Jun-01-09 07:03 PM   #55 
   Not to make light...  lies and propaganda   Jun-01-09 04:30 PM   #24 
   Word! Then SFC Dreger, you bold faced lied to my mother.  pasto76   Jun-01-09 04:30 PM   #28 
   What?  lies and propaganda   Jun-01-09 04:30 PM   #30 
      I think he was agreeing with you  Cha   Jun-01-09 06:43 PM   #49 
   Navy recruiter told me you would never be asked to do more than 20 push-ups... EVER. n/t  Ian David   Jun-01-09 04:39 PM   #34 
   How many did you do after boot camp?  ohio2007   Jun-01-09 09:51 PM   #98 
   I actually eneded up not signing-up. n/t  Ian David   Jun-02-09 10:01 AM   #138 
   Jeez, ya flunk the PT test if that's all ya can do!!! nt  MADem   Jun-01-09 11:06 PM   #103 
   I'd be willing to bet the recruiter told the truth...  kristopher   Jun-02-09 01:17 AM   #115 
      Ohhh... good point... not "asked" but ORDERED. n/t  Ian David   Jun-02-09 10:00 AM   #137 
   Did you have a degree?  bdab1973   Jun-02-09 05:11 PM   #148 
   Domestic Terrorism?  jehovas_waitress   Jun-01-09 04:30 PM   #25 
   not on this Continent but the one across the pond has had threats against its way of thinking .  ohio2007   Jun-01-09 09:01 PM   #86 
   "Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room!" nt  Gidney N Cloyd   Jun-01-09 04:30 PM   #31 
   Take your pick  rocktivity   Jun-01-09 04:30 PM   #32 
      You forgot one  humbled_opinion   Jun-01-09 05:45 PM   #38 
      Hmmm, food for thought there.  John Kerry VonErich   Jun-01-09 08:58 PM   #85 
      Forgot one..  twitomy   Jun-01-09 07:54 PM   #67 
   More than 30 replies before cause is discussed? Reason? Unknown as yet. Cause? Easy guns.  FailureToCommunicate   Jun-01-09 04:57 PM   #36 
   Yep easy guns is the answer, they are responsible for everything..  Pavulon   Jun-01-09 05:54 PM   #42 
   I don't like the NRA....  quickesst   Jun-01-09 05:55 PM   #43 
      You're right, that part doesn't make any sense. I just came back from my younger brother's  FailureToCommunicate   Jun-01-09 09:17 PM   #88 
   Shooter Identified as Abulhakin Muhammad formerly Carlos Bledsoe  jehovas_waitress   Jun-01-09 06:16 PM   #44 
   More religious terrorism.  girl gone mad   Jun-01-09 06:28 PM   #46 
   Did he graduate with the kids he shot? Or is he an Al Q wannabee? NT  MADem   Jun-01-09 07:05 PM   #56 
   Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-01-09 07:07 PM   #58 
      No, only Christians  twitomy   Jun-01-09 07:55 PM   #68 
   Update: Police say Suspect Targeted Military  maddezmomDU Moderator   Jun-01-09 07:07 PM   #57 
   ... Police .. say a man who shot two .. soldiers .. likely had "political and religious motives" ...  struggle4progress   Jun-01-09 07:28 PM   #60 
   You are SOURCING FAUX NEWS and the article doesn't contain your quotes.  kristopher   Jun-01-09 08:09 PM   #71 
      Here, try the AP.  MADem   Jun-01-09 08:48 PM   #80 
      And there are WMDs in Iraq...  kristopher   Jun-01-09 09:31 PM   #91 
         You really DO need a tweezers. And maybe some powder for that rash of YOURS, too!  MADem   Jun-01-09 10:58 PM   #101 
         I'm not sure what you're trying to say. I'm merely tracking news coverage here:  struggle4progress   Jun-01-09 11:27 PM   #105 
      It's at top of story when I click link. I give two other stories below if you don't like this one  struggle4progress   Jun-01-09 08:52 PM   #83 
      He's just mad at everyone. You can give him links till the cows come home.  MADem   Jun-01-09 11:03 PM   #102 
         Yep, it's me.  kristopher   Jun-02-09 12:23 AM   #107 
            Ah, when YOU spread rumors, they're facts. When others report what  MADem   Jun-02-09 12:44 AM   #109 
               Point to one place where I spread a rumor.  kristopher   Jun-02-09 01:23 AM   #116 
                  You invented a gang/drug scenario, gave the guy a sister who dating one of the recruiters,  MADem   Jun-02-09 01:45 AM   #121 
                     ...  kristopher   Jun-02-09 02:53 AM   #131 
                        Ha!!! Have a banana...!  MADem   Jun-02-09 03:40 AM   #134 
      *sigh* Look, it's obvious you didn't want this to be what it was--  kiva   Jun-01-09 09:21 PM   #89 
         *sigh* yourself...  kristopher   Jun-01-09 09:43 PM   #95 
            Reactionary, rush to judgement.--  kiva   Jun-01-09 10:22 PM   #100 
               There are probably 15,000-20,000 troops in the Little Rock area  kristopher   Jun-02-09 12:29 AM   #108 
                  Gee, I thought you didn't "do" rumors....  MADem   Jun-02-09 12:50 AM   #112 
                  Do you even know what a rumor is???  kristopher   Jun-02-09 01:29 AM   #118 
                     Yeah, here's one: This guy is in a gang, into drugs, and has a sister who was involved with one of  MADem   Jun-02-09 01:55 AM   #123 
                        Thanks for proving the point.  kristopher   Jun-02-09 02:42 AM   #128 
                           Get over yourself. Rumors are what other people put forth, but your crap ideas  MADem   Jun-02-09 02:47 AM   #129 
                              ...  kristopher   Jun-02-09 02:52 AM   #130 
                                 In a simian sort of way, be sure to read this link, Bonzo!  MADem   Jun-02-09 03:41 AM   #135 
                  Why are there 15-20K troops in Little Rock?  telmerc   Jun-02-09 05:52 AM   #136 
                     Little Rock AFB has over 5,000 USAF personnel there as well.  bdab1973   Jun-02-09 05:04 PM   #147 
                        Active duty and dependents, maybe...but that's not "military personnel." nt  MADem   Jun-02-09 09:13 PM   #155 
                           Little Rock AFB has over 5,700 personnel, that's active duty personnel...  bdab1973   Jun-03-09 01:10 PM   #169 
                              Perhaps I was unclear--I was referring to the estimate of 15-20K, not your  MADem   Jun-03-09 01:38 PM   #170 
                                 If that's what you were commenting about then we agree  bdab1973   Jun-03-09 05:01 PM   #171 
                                    Yes. I was chiming in behind you on this post  MADem   Jun-03-09 05:11 PM   #172 
   ... police think the shooter acted alone "with the specific purpose of targeting military personnel"  struggle4progress   Jun-01-09 07:30 PM   #61 
   "This individual appears to have been upset with the military, the Army in particular, and that's  struggle4progress   Jun-01-09 07:32 PM   #62 
   Everyone in his religion is to blame for this  JonQ   Jun-01-09 08:16 PM   #73 
   isn't is obvious that being a muslim idiot was responsible for this shooting  provis99   Jun-01-09 08:22 PM   #74 
   He only converted two years ago and his father isn't answering any questions.  ohio2007   Jun-01-09 09:38 PM   #93 
      "inadmissable and isn't even allowed brought up in a court of law."  depakid   Jun-02-09 12:50 AM   #111 
      And you never sat on a jury have you ?  ohio2007   Jun-02-09 11:05 AM   #141 
      Timothy McVeigh was Catholic, but nobody thought to blame the Pope or Catholicism.  ShortnFiery   Jun-02-09 01:25 AM   #117 
         There are multitudes of things nut-jobs will blame things on, religion is just a convenient place  nolabels   Jun-02-09 02:30 AM   #124 
         True, my point was that it was inappropriate for the spokesman to jump to "the evil muslim"  ShortnFiery   Jun-02-09 02:33 AM   #125 
            And it's so amazing so many get sucked into the propaganda of it  nolabels   Jun-02-09 03:27 AM   #132 
            Army Recruiting Shooting Suspect Had Been Under FBI Investigation (KATV)  struggle4progress   Jun-02-09 10:06 AM   #139 
            You have to treat him the way Pakistan treated the Taliban. Just BC mohammad went to Yemen  ohio2007   Jun-02-09 11:14 AM   #143 
               I don't know for sure that he actually went to Yemen: all I know is that media are claiming it  struggle4progress   Jun-02-09 03:30 PM   #146 
                  He went to Yemen. He was arrested there for using a Somali passport.  MADem   Jun-02-09 09:16 PM   #156 
                     I provided a link for that in #139: I merely add that such claims are not always true  struggle4progress   Jun-02-09 09:30 PM   #158 
                        In this case, I think it was true. The guy did time in a Yemeni jail for having a Somali passport  MADem   Jun-02-09 09:56 PM   #159 
                           Arkansas army center gunman trawled web for target (AFP)  struggle4progress   Jun-03-09 11:45 PM   #175 
            People jumped immediately to radical christian  JonQ   Jun-02-09 10:23 AM   #140 
         He might as well have been tried in Iran for blowing up a mosque. How neat and tidy they closed that  ohio2007   Jun-02-09 11:07 AM   #142 
   The NRA is responsible for the arming of terrorists  IndianaGreen   Jun-02-09 05:13 PM   #149 
   You are right  newinnm   Jun-02-09 05:52 PM   #150 
   I fart in your general direction..  Pavulon   Jun-02-09 06:51 PM   #154 
   Muhammad was jailed in Yemen for using fake Somali passport  IndianaGreen   Jun-02-09 10:38 PM   #161 
      Was he headed to Somalia? He gonna join the pirates or do a little sport fishing ?  ohio2007   Jun-02-09 10:58 PM   #162 
      The only crime I have seen reported did not happen in the USA  MADem   Jun-03-09 09:53 AM   #168 
         So then...what happened to his US passport.... ? a moot point in all this ?  ohio2007   Jun-03-09 09:29 PM   #173 
            He plainly still HAD his US passport--that's how he got home. He's from Memphis, TN.  MADem   Jun-04-09 07:24 AM   #178 
               your post #159 was good info link and followed up by the fact he was an english teacher in #175  ohio2007   Jun-04-09 01:55 PM   # 
               your post #159 was good info link and followed up by the fact he was an english teacher in #175  ohio2007   Jun-04-09 01:55 PM   #182 
                  I read in one of the links in this thread that he also had a few Molotov cocktails in his truck  MADem   Jun-04-09 02:35 PM   #185 
      Scary named dude (nice touch) was a felon so he was NOT able to purchase  Pavulon   Jun-02-09 10:58 PM   #163 
      An SKS is an "assault weapon" like a Chevrolet pickup is a "high powered assault vehicle."  benEzra   Jun-04-09 12:02 PM   #181 
   And the AAA is responsible for letting them escape in motor vehicles.  krispos42DU Moderator   Jun-04-09 02:24 AM   #177 
   You forgot to fault the state highway building commission  ohio2007   Jun-04-09 02:08 PM   #183 
   What lawsuit was that?  Fire_Medic_Dave   Jun-04-09 10:45 PM   #189 
   "Catch and release" prosecutors  one-eyed fat man   Jun-09-09 01:47 AM   #190 
   Man pleads not guilty to killing new Army soldier (AP)  struggle4progress   Jun-02-09 10:27 PM   #160 
   The truth is he just wanted to become a pirate,a buccaneer, a neo blackbeard  ohio2007   Jun-03-09 09:45 PM   #174 
   That's a standard plea. He obviously has an appointed lawyer.  MADem   Jun-04-09 07:33 AM   #179 
      Timithy's legal council advised him against pleading guilty  ohio2007   Jun-04-09 02:13 PM   #184 
         Well, this guy is dealing, right now, with a state attorney general. NT  MADem   Jun-04-09 02:37 PM   #186 
   Here's another curious tidbit  MADem   Jun-04-09 07:57 AM   #180 
   Lawyer: Ark. attack suspect 'radicalized' in Yemen  struggle4progress   Jun-04-09 08:44 PM   #188 
      Suspect tells AP soldier's killing was justified  ohio2007   Jun-09-09 10:05 PM   #191 
 
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1. Please don't let the suspect be a war protester...
What a horrible thing to happen.
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7. More likely a soldier

Who was lied to by recruiters and got back from his 3rd tour in Iraq with post tramatic stress.
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11. maybe it was the same guy that shot that doctor. nt
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ohio2007 (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jun-01-09 03:04 PM
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9. ?
Edited on Mon Jun-01-09 03:05 PM by ohio2007
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jun-01-09 03:07 PM
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12. I don't think there's any chance of that
CodePINK walks the walk. I have a lot of respect for them, even if I do think they go over-the-top sometimes - at least they're trying harder than most Americans do.

I just have a really bad feeling about this shooting. I hope I'm proven wrong, though.
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ohio2007 (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jun-01-09 03:25 PM
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15. well then what does "your gut" tell you ? nt
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mallard (437 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jun-02-09 02:42 AM
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127. My gut tells me ...
... the shooter was a close relative of a soldier who got killed in Iraq, who had been aggressively recruited by one of the victims at that office.
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WriteDown (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jun-02-09 11:20 AM
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144. May want to see a doctor....
about that gut.
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Mon Jun-01-09 05:44 PM
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37. Victims were two guys from the area where they were shotUpdated at 7:04 PM
And they just left a couple of months ago.

My first reaction is that the cause of the shooting predates their enlistment. Drugs are a bad problem in Little Rock, and I would place money on drugs/drug money as the motive.
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earcandle Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jun-01-09 02:43 PM
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2. OMG... please stop this. Our Armies are not our enemies. Updated at 5:37 PM
They are our victims in wars that have no legal rights to
exist. 
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jun-01-09 06:26 PM
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45. If you were any more transparent..
we'd have to rename you earglass.
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jun-01-09 06:33 PM
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48. Uh...
:rofl:
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jun-01-09 02:46 PM
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3. Oh god...
These were young kids home on leave who were part of the hometown recruiter program.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jun-01-09 02:47 PM
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4. "... the shooter .. was arrested after his vehicle was pulled over on Interstate 630 ..."
Army recruiter killed in LR shooting, another recruiter wounded
Associated Press - June 1, 2009 1:54 PM ET
http://www.wxvt.com/Global/story.asp?S=10457280&nav=men...
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jun-01-09 06:56 PM
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53. Those kids were not even real recruiters--they were HARPS.
Artis says the victims had just completed basic training and were spending two weeks in Little Rock to recruit in their home area, showing the difference that less than two months of training made in their lives.


Home Town Area Recruiting Program--it's a free extra bit of leave that masquerades as TAD. Boot camp graduates go to their home town, and work with their recruiter to put a personal face on the whole boot camp experience.

It's usually given to guys who have done well in boot camp and have a couple of spare weeks of slack between their graduation and the start of their advanced training. It's a two week to one month gig, usually.

That puts a different spin on the whole issue....
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jun-01-09 07:34 PM
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63. Current reports suggest they were shot simply because they were in uniform
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jun-01-09 07:42 PM
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65. Crying shame, regardless. They were just out of boot camp, getting a bit of
"free" leave disguised as TAD before heading out to advanced training.

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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jun-01-09 08:04 PM
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69. Yes: tragic, pointless, and all-too-common.
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Aviation Pro Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jun-01-09 02:51 PM
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5. These are not recruiters.....
...these were soldiers who had just finished BCT and were awaiting the start of their Advanced Individual Training courses. The service encourages young soldiers to return to their hometowns and shows their friends the result of completing their initial training.

Very sad that someone would single them out.
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ohio2007 (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jun-01-09 03:08 PM
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13. They targetted the uniform nt
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Mon Jun-01-09 05:46 PM
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39. And you know that how? ntUpdated at 7:04 PM
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ohio2007 (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jun-01-09 07:16 PM
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59. Well it didn't take very long did it ?
snip
A Muslim convert who said he was opposed to the U.S. military shot two soldiers outside an Arkansas recruiting station...

snip

He has converted to Muslim here in the past few years," Hastings said. "To be honest we're not completely clear on what he was upset about. He had never been in the military."


snip

http://www.usatoday.com/news/military/2009-06-01-army-r...

maybe his local holy man cleric will now have to dance :bounce:

Maybe he was a confused gang banga for alla :shrug:
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Mon Jun-01-09 08:15 PM
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72. And he may be hiding drug/gang activity behind a veil of lies.Updated at 7:04 PM
The guy just got arrested for shooting two people and you automatically accept this story at face value?
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ohio2007 (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jun-01-09 08:44 PM
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76. Police: Recruiting center gunman targeted military
LITTLE ROCK, Ark. (AP) - A man with "political and religious motives" killed a soldier just out of basic training and wounded another Monday in a targeted attack on a military recruiting center, police said. The shootings were not believed to be part of a broader scheme.

snip
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D98I6F4G0&show_...



He suffered from "Sudden Jihad Syndrome"
and your just being racist.

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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jun-01-09 08:45 PM
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77. What's worse? Gang shooting or "I'm a terrorist?"
The first one is life in prison, the second one is the chair (or the needle).

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
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ohio2007 (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jun-01-09 08:55 PM
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84. I doubt he's with MS-13,Bloods or whatever. He is currently "an army of one"
acting on his own but

I'd like to find out what defense his lawyer puts up due to what he will be told by his client.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jun-01-09 09:13 PM
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87. Unless he's got a death wish, the "terra terra" political/religious excuse is the wrong way to go.
The lawyers always start with the insanity defense in cases like this.
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ohio2007 (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jun-01-09 09:42 PM
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94. imo, his lawyer will play other cards first
23 yr old victim of society ect.

Imagine if this was Iran.

he would be swinging from a pistachio tree in
what?
another 22 hours?
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jun-02-09 06:46 PM
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152. I can't remember the last time I had Iranian pistachios. They're the only really good ones.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jun-02-09 09:17 PM
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157. I used to buy them in Iran by the grocery sack. They were very cheap and delicious, and
ENORMOUS. I've never seen such bigass pistachios!
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ohio2007 (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jun-02-09 11:06 PM
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164. Now we are stuck with the California variety grown in the valley
using water stolen from other states aquafirs LOL
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Mon Jun-01-09 09:37 PM
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92. It really depends on what his motive is, doesn't it?Updated at 7:04 PM
Since you don't know why he did it, it is absurd to speculate the way you are. Statistically the chances of any given shooting involving males of this age group is vastly more likely to be a personal grudge or drug related than it is related to terrorism. If the victims were two service members who had just arrived there from other areas of the country there MIGHT, repeat MIGHT be a basis for looking to anger at the military or terrorism.
Given that BOTH VICTIMS WERE LOCALS the probability of this being a random event plummets.
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ohio2007 (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jun-01-09 09:46 PM
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96. I'm sure his lawyer has advised him to legally STFU as he most likely said way to much already in
in the police 'interrogation' room.

Thats a vid I hope gets leaked to the public
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jun-02-09 01:10 AM
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113. The difference is the death penalty or possible life without parole.

This guy is giving the police the death penalty excuse. So no, I don't "know" why he did it, but I know what he said to the police.

But whatever. You're fixated on your own little shoestring theory (rumors) and plainly uninterested in what every newspaper and television outlet has to say.
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obliviously Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jun-01-09 11:15 PM
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104. Where are the cries of outrage?
This was religious extremism!
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jun-02-09 06:47 PM
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153. Two people were shot, that's for sure. What else it may have been remains to be seen.
Edited on Tue Jun-02-09 06:58 PM by No Elephants
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ohio2007 (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jun-02-09 11:29 PM
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165. now.....we must remember to respect the culture he has adopted two years ago and understand once he
decided to convert, he accepted certain truths and consequences.

Because, it is written;


Once you accept muhammad and his frame of mind thinking,

it is a crime to renounce him and to go back to ( brand-X ).






so
we should cut him some slack in such confusing times as these. He should have waited until after Obama came back from Egypt bc his story will be just that much more scrutinized in the land of the prophet.

Perhaps the Saudi king will understand his motives? naw, he is only concerned with profits.

I'm sure a few clerics will praise him behind closed mosque doors at any rate this friday if they mention the Obama speech from Cairo.


:sarcasm:

But realistically, I doubt this 'Mohammad of Arkansas' story will grow legs internationally as much as it is being covered here locally
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Xenotime (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-03-09 12:00 AM
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167. Please...give me a break.
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cboy4 (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jun-01-09 02:53 PM
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6. One person in custody
:(



The Associated Press

Originally published 10:22 a.m., June 1, 2009
Updated 12:02 p.m., June 1, 2009

Two U.S. Army recruiters were shot Monday morning in an apparent drive-by shooting at an Army-Navy recruiting station on North Rodney Parham Road in Little Rock, said Little Rock Police. One of the recruiters died just before noon.

He is William Long of Little Rock. Quenton Ozeaghula, also of Little Rock, was injured.

Police took a suspect into custody a short time later at the Interstate 30-630 interchange.

Witnesses said the two recruiters, whose names and conditions have not been released, were standing outside the recruiting office at 9112 N. Rodney Parham Road at about 10:19 a.m. when a small, dark-colored open-bed sport utility vehicle drove up and someone fired six or seven shots.

The two victims were taken to Baptist Medical Center.

Police have not identified the person taken into custody. Police initially called at the department’s bomb squad after finding an assault rifle and a shotgun in the suspect’s vehicle, but no explosives were found.

Thank you for coming to the Web site of the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette. We're working to keep you informed with the latest breaking news.


http://www2.arkansasonline.com/news/2009/jun/01/witness...


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chatnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Mon Jun-01-09 06:33 PM
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47. Omg
:cry:
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Politicalboi (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jun-01-09 03:02 PM
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8. Very sad story
I wonder if it was a parent of a kid who got killed in Iraq and took revenge on the recruiting office.
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ohio2007 (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jun-01-09 03:40 PM
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18. no
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jun-01-09 03:05 PM
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10. Suspect arrested
per KTHV-TV
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smitty (568 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jun-01-09 03:12 PM
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14. Maybe we should wait for the police report before assigning
blame.
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ohio2007 (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jun-01-09 03:28 PM
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16. why wait ?
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jun-01-09 08:46 PM
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78. The police have reported.
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ohio2007 (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jun-01-09 03:37 PM
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17. police have suspect in custody
Edited on Mon Jun-01-09 03:39 PM by ohio2007
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1monster (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jun-01-09 03:42 PM
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19. I've seen the regular recruiters use just out of basic soldiers in school cafeterias to
try to seduce still more high schoolers into the military.

I was on lunch duty one day in a high school and saw a reluctant just-out-of-boot-camp soldier being badgered by his superior to get more kids interested.

My son had a friend who joined up after high school and he was sent back to his high school after basic and told he couldn't leave for the day until he got two students ready to sign up...

These two kids were were killed hadn't even had time to know whether or not the military was going to be good for them or not.

Recruiting commander Lt. Col Thomas F. Artis says the victims had just completed basic training and were spending two weeks in Little Rock to recruit in their home area, showing the difference that less than two months of training made in their lives.
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newinnm (323 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jun-02-09 05:55 PM
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151. I spent 8 years in the military
three of them on recruiting duty. The vast vast majority of recruiters are honorable people who are just trying to do their jobs. Its because of the recruiters and the people who serve our military that helps protect our right to post even the most ridiculous things on interned discussion boards.

-nnnm
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1monster (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jun-02-09 11:55 PM
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166. Perhaps the majority of recruiters are honorable people. However, it only takes a small
percentage to make nonsense of your not-so-subtle dig at my post ridiculous.

I was in that cafeteria, standing close enough to hear every work, when the recruiter got on the young soldier for not engaging the students.

And the young, just-out-of-boot-camp soldier who is my son's friend, told him about the two-ready-sign-up minimum.

Nothing I stated in my post was ridiculous or made up.

BTW, recruiters lying to potential recruits has been an accepted reality for more years than I've been alive (and I'm in my 50s). Remember the Private Benjamin movie? It was fodder for comedy twenty years ago... at a time when there were no wars, police actions or other euphemisms for military actions which include kill or be killed.

Somewhere here on DU is a story about a young man who suffers from autism who signed up and was accepted by the military despite the recruiter, the doctors who did the preenlistment physical, and the basic training camp officials KNOWING about the autism. The young man had a conservatorship which did not allow him to enter into any kind of contract, which by common sense would also mean a military contract, because he was not competent to do so. The military maintains differently.

There have been way too many stories that have made the news since the Iraq War started for you to make like recruiter misconduct doesn't happen or that it is extremely rare.

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newinnm (323 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jun-04-09 01:25 AM
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176. Private Benjamin
The fact that you have to bring up Private Benjamin only serves to prove my point.

nnnm
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187. Whatever.
:eyes:
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20. Two Injured in West LR (Little Rock U.S. Army Recruiting office) Shooting
Source: KATV

Little Rock - One person is in custody, and two others have been transported to a local hospital in serious condition following a double-shooting in west Little Rock Monday morning.

Authorities say the incident occurred around 10:00 a.m. at a U.S. Army Recruiting office at 9112 North Rodney Parham Road. According to Lt. Terry Hastings with the Little Rock Police Department, two recruiting officers standing outside the office were hit when the unidentified suspect drove up in a black SUV and began shooting.

The suspect led police on a brief pursuit towards downtown Little Rock. That individual was taken into custody in the area of the Interstate 30/630 interchange. According to the Little Rock Fire Department, a bomb squad is currently on the scene, checking out a suspicious package inside the suspect's vehicle.


Read more: http://www.katv.com/news/stories/0609/627959.html
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davepc (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jun-01-09 04:30 PM
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21. Political or personal motive?
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jun-01-09 04:30 PM
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22. It would seem to be political. Time will tell.

According to the Little Rock Fire Department, a bomb squad is currently on the scene, checking out a suspicious package inside the suspect's vehicle.
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ohio2007 (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jun-01-09 04:56 PM
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35. what political statement do you feel he wanted to make?
and what party affiliation could he possibly have had?

I'm sure 'they' will disown him in a heartbeat of being linked to him


jmo
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jun-01-09 06:49 PM
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52. Who the hell knows? Normal people don't shoot recruiters in the street.
Or carry bomb-like stuff around in their cars.

It could be a "peacenik" taking it too far, it could be someone wanting to blame a murder on "peaceniks," it could be someone who is an anti-tax type who doesn't want his tax dollars going for military spending. It could be someone who is pissed because that recruiter recruited someone that was important to the shooter.

I have no idea why this guy would shoot these guys. If I had to guess, though, I'd say there was a political motive, and it might not have to do with an "antiwar" attitude, either--it could be one of those militia nuts.

I have no concept what "party" this bozo belongs to either--it's probably the Party of Crazy Assholes.
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ohio2007 (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jun-01-09 08:51 PM
Response to Reply #52
82. We know what party he belongs to ....
I have no concept what "party" this bozo belongs to either--it's probably the Party of Crazy Assholes.



But I doubt the media will dwell long over it as he acted alone. Nobody "in their right mind" will copy cat this "DC sniper",Part II

jmo
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jun-01-09 07:45 PM
Response to Reply #35
66. There's an update to this story that might answer some of your queries.
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ohio2007 (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jun-01-09 08:46 PM
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79. See post #13.nt
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jun-01-09 08:50 PM
Response to Reply #79
81. It's polite to provide a link to the post. Old eyes can't find small numbers.
Edited on Mon Jun-01-09 08:51 PM by MADem
He wasn't a "they." It was just one idiot.
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ohio2007 (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jun-01-09 09:59 PM
Response to Reply #81
99. At the time it wasn't known for sure
Mon Jun-01-09 03:08 PM
Response to Reply #5
13. They targetted the uniform nt
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

It wasn't rocket science to figure out that it was 'a disturbed' , misunderstood idiot that the MSM reported four hours later



Mon Jun-01-09 07:07 PM
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57. Update: Police say Suspect Targeted Military

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Mon Jun-01-09 05:48 PM
Response to Reply #22
40. Do you have information that hasn't been posted?Updated at 7:04 PM
Because there is nothing in the posted information that shows motive.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jun-01-09 06:44 PM
Response to Reply #40
50. Did you see the paragraph I posted?
Drive-by fellahs don't normally carry bombs around in their cars.
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Mon Jun-01-09 06:47 PM
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51. It doesn't say there is a bomb.Updated at 7:04 PM
It says there is a "suspicious package". And even if it were a bomb that doesn't go to motive at all.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jun-01-09 06:59 PM
Response to Reply #51
54. It turns out the report is technically wrong--those kids were not recruiters.
They were just out of basic training, on a temporary "recruiter assistant" program that all the services have. They were kids who were between boot camp and their advanced training, who are stashed at recruiting stations to help the recruiters by offering personal anecdotes to potential prospects. But they were not "recruiters." To be a recruiter, you've got to go through a lengthy training course.

From a link upthread:

Artis says the victims had just completed basic training and were spending two weeks in Little Rock to recruit in their home area, showing the difference that less than two months of training made in their lives.
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Mon Jun-01-09 08:06 PM
Response to Reply #54
70. They are on recruiting duty.Updated at 7:04 PM
The are attached to the recruiting office and it is correct to refer to them as recruiters. There is a distinction between those on long term recruiting duty, but the reporting was accurate as it made clear they were on temporary duty. That's why I think the shooting was personal.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jun-01-09 08:43 PM
Response to Reply #70
75. No, they are not "on" recruiting duty. It is not correct to refer to them as recruiters, because
that is not what they were. As someone who ran a recruiting command, I know--those kids were TAD "Harpers" -- temporary assistants, there for a two week TAD to show other kids that boot camp isn't so horrible-- not the real thing.

In order to be a recruiter, you have to go through a very long course of instruction, that lasts, depending on branch of service and the duties to which one will be assigned, from six to nine weeks.

It's not something a kid coming off eight or nine weeks of boot camp is equipped to do, or has the credentials to do.

Those kids were not qualified to write contracts. They were qualified to make the coffee, pick up kids and run them to MEPS for their physicals, chat up their friends, make introductions to the recruiter running the station to which they were TAD, go with a recruiter on a home visit or a high school visit, but not to act unilaterally.

The shootings were not "personal" -- they've established that this guy was gunning for people in uniform.


http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gQACN...
Police: Recruiting center gunman targeted military
By NOAH TRISTER – 52 minutes ago

LITTLE ROCK, Ark. (AP) — A man with "political and religious motives" killed a soldier just out of basic training and wounded another Monday in a targeted attack on a military recruiting center, police said. The shootings were not believed to be part of a broader scheme.

The soldiers completed basic training within the past two weeks and were not regular recruiters, said Lt. Col. Thomas F. Artis of the Oklahoma City Recruiting Battalion, which oversees the Little Rock office.

William Long, 24, of Conway, died, and Quinton Ezeagwula, 18, of Jacksonville, was wounded and in stable condition, Police Chief Stuart Thomas said.

Both men were from nearby hometowns and volunteered to work at the recruiting center to attract other locals to the military. "They can show the example, 'Here's where I was, and here is where I am,'" Artis said.

Police arrested Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad, 23, along a crosstown interstate moments after the shootings at the Army-Navy Career Center in a shopping center in west Little Rock.

Muhammad acted alone, the police chief said, and based on an interview with officers, the suspect "probably had political and religious motives for the attack.".....


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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Mon Jun-01-09 09:29 PM
Response to Reply #75
90. You continually over reachUpdated at 7:04 PM
A preliminary hearsay statement isn't evidence of motive any more than the nonexistent BOMB you were pointing to a couple of hours ago was.

And I don't give a fig whether you claim to have "Ran a recruiting command" or not, 1) these kids on temp duty are referred to as being on "recruiting duty" and it is common for not only for anyone outside the system refer to them as recruiters but for them to refer to themselves as recruiters. In the article you cite the distinction was made much as it was in all others, they are "not REGULAR recruiters." That doesn't say they "Aren't recruiters" it says they are recruiters but not RREGULAR recruiters. Both my daughter and my son-in-law pulled this duty in the USMC and for his part when he crossed over to the Navy.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jun-01-09 09:48 PM
Response to Reply #90
97. Do you need a tweezer to get that hair out?
You don't have to believe me, believe the guy who runs the recruiting command where those kids were TAD. That's in the article, too.


The two soldiers had finished basic training but had not yet been deployed to Iraq or any other facility, Hastings said.

"They were members of what we call our Hometown Assistance Recruiting Program. They were soldiers that we had enlisted through that station or similar stations in that area," said Lieutenant Colonel Tom Curtis, from the Oklahoma recruiting battalion.

"They were from the Little Rock area. That's as far as I can give you right now."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090601/ts_alt_afp/usmilit...




Stuff that's "common" as dirt can be wrong, you know.

A "recruiter" by definition is a person who can sign and witness a DD Form 4 contract and attachments on behalf of the government of the United States. There are training AND paygrade requirements to do that job. Those two kids had insufficient training or paygrade to perform those duties. They were two lads TAD for two weeks on a boondoggle out of boot camp, whose job was to do gopher work, strut the uniform and chit chat. They were enjoying a short hiatus prior to going on to their guaranteed training or their permanent duty station. They were not "recruiters."

If you don't want to discuss this topic, don't. You're babbling about "evidence" like you're Perry Mason, and demanding absolutes like you're on the scene and know better than anyone else. This is a rapidly evolving news story, and you're no more "right" than the next person with an opinion.

So you have a nice day. And take it down a notch before you blow a gasket.
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Tue Jun-02-09 12:18 AM
Response to Reply #97
106. You're the one going off half cocked.Updated at 7:04 PM
You are jumping to conclusions and being reactionary. That kind of public reaction needs to be confronted when it happens. I'm sorry you don't like it but all you need to do is heed your own advice - take a breath and tone it down. The guy might be a terrorist, he might be nuts or he might have a sister who is in love with someone he doesn't like.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jun-02-09 12:46 AM
Response to Reply #106
110. No, I'm simply following the story in the media. You're making shit up and getting ticked that
no one here sees things your way. Talk about rumors! Frustrated screenwriter?
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Tue Jun-02-09 01:15 AM
Response to Reply #110
114. Please go back and review the tread.Updated at 7:04 PM
Your memory is playing very large tricks on you. Remember when you have proof there was a bomb proving he was a terrorists? Remember when you missed the part that they were just out of basic on temp assignment to the home they only just left?

Those two alone are very laaaaaaaarge mistakes and yet you just go on and on and on with the same type of rumormongering.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jun-02-09 01:36 AM
Response to Reply #114
119. Who said anything about "proof" except you, Rumorboy?
Your fixation on an alternate scenario, in the absence of growing reports to the contrary, that no one else is postulating is rather curious. As is your insistence that these sourced and quoted media reports are "rumors," while you won't categorize your own pipe dream scenarios, invented in your head, in the same fashion.

Here, read the NYT and call them a bunch of liars, too, why doncha? You seem to get your jollies from doing that.





http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/02/us/02recruit.html?bl&...

LITTLE ROCK, Ark. — A 23-year-old man upset about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan opened fire from his truck at two soldiers standing outside a military recruiting station here on Monday morning, killing one private and wounding another, the police said.

The gunman, identified by the police as Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad of Little Rock, fled the scene and was arrested minutes later a short distance from the recruiting station, in a bustling suburban shopping center. The police confiscated a Russian-made SKS semiautomatic rifle, a .22-caliber rifle and a handgun from his black pickup truck.....In a lengthy interview with the police, Mr. Muhammad said he was angry about the killing of Muslims in Iraq and Afghanistan, Chief Thomas said. Previously known as Carlos Bledsoe, Mr. Muhammad told investigators that he had converted to Islam as a teenager, Chief Thomas said.

Chief Thomas said investigators believe that Mr. Muhammad acted alone. He seemed to be familiar with the Army recruiting office because it was not far from his home, the chief said, but might have been on the prowl for anyone in uniform....


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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Tue Jun-02-09 01:43 AM
Response to Reply #119
120. Project much???Updated at 7:04 PM
Let's see what the story is 72 hours from now; I mean, 12 hours after the announcement, what was the NYT saying last week about the "terrorist plot" of those dumbasses that were conned by the FBI?
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jun-02-09 01:49 AM
Response to Reply #120
122. That's pretty funny--you gave the guy a sister and a gang, and you
don't see who's doing the projecting here?

:rofl:

Yeah, let's SEE what the story is in three days, why not? I'm game.

I'll bet, when it turns out to be the exact same story that we're seeing in the NYT this morning, that you'll be nowhere to be found. I'm guessing that's how you roll. But see, that's only 'speculation.'

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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Tue Jun-02-09 02:39 AM
Response to Reply #122
126. You're funnyUpdated at 7:04 PM
In a simian sort of way...

I gave the guy nothing. I simply used examples to illustrate that we know nothing about him. Do you know if he knows either of the victims in any way? Until we do, claiming he is a terrorist, that he did it for his religion or that he just hates the military is nothing but utter bullshit. One of those motives may turn out to be correct, but at this point there is no more basis for concluding they have merit than the illustrations I used.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jun-02-09 03:37 AM
Response to Reply #126
133. No -- I'm dead serious. The one acting like a bit of a monkey is you.
Ah, now your "speculation" becomes "examples?" "Illustrations?" No...they're silly little rumors that you made up. Ideas that came to you, absent any suggestion of them in any of the dozens of news articles.

Please. You've stepped in it up to your neck. You make crap up, and then you backpedal. And it turns out, you're just so incredibly wrong!

This Bledsoe/Muhamad guy's father lives in Memphis. Yet you assume the guy lived in Little Rock for a good chunk of his life and knew these guys (but according to the local news report below, second link, he's only lived in LR a few months). Why do you assume that the shooter and his victims know each other? Seems like these guys were in boot camp when our shooter moved to LR.

One of the guys who was shot--the one killed-- is from Conway, not Little Rock. The one who was wounded, but not killed, was from Jacksonville. They're not even from the same town or city where the shooter had his apartment (near the recruiting office)--so why "must" they know each other? And why even think there might be drugs, gangs or sisters involved, per your silly scenario?



William Long, 23, of Conway, died in the attack on the Army-Navy Career Center in a west Little Rock shopping center, and Quinton Ezeagwula, 18, of Jacksonville, was wounded and in stable condition, Police Chief Stuart Thomas said.
http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2009/jun/01/soldie... /



And gee, our shooter just got back from....YEMEN. Yes. YEMEN. You know, where that pathetic John Walker Lindh (who was called "Yusuf Islam" as a joke by his instructors) went to learn Arabic? AND...he's under investigation by the FBI! The Terrorist Task Force, too, as we find out below!

I think your "gang/drugs/sister" rumors/speculation/examples got even more unlikely:


http://www.katv.com/news/stories/0609/628151.html
The suspect is 23-year old Abdul hakim Mujahid Muhammad and is behind bars at the Pulaski County Jail. Police say it appears he targeted military members because of his political and religious beliefs. Authorities have told ABC News, Muhammed had just returned from Yemen and was already the subject of an FBI (web) investigation.



Oh, but wait....there's more. The guy was ARRESTED in Yemen...for using a Somali passport!



The suspect arrested in the fatal shooting of one soldier and the critical injury of another at a Little Rock, Ark., Army recruiting booth today was under investigation by the FBI's Joint Terrorist Task Force since his return from Yemen, ABC News has learned.

The investigation was in its preliminary stages, authorities said, and was based on the suspect's travel to Yemen and his arrest there for using a Somali passport.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=7730637&page=1




Have a banana--in a simian sort of way, of course.

:rofl:
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jun-01-09 04:30 PM
Response to Reply #20
23. Sounds like somebody had a grudge against the Army.
Twenty bucks says that either this is a disgruntled vet lashing out at recruiters, or else somebody who got turned down for military service.

Anyway, if the two recruiters are only described as being in "serious" condition, then they'll make it.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jun-01-09 04:30 PM
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26. I'm going to say someone who was turned down.
I'm not sure why but I think a disgruntled vet would just walk into the office and start shooting.
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pasto76 (305 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jun-01-09 04:30 PM
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27. a disgruntled vet would have killed them.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jun-01-09 07:36 PM
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64. Suspect apparently was never in the army
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jun-02-09 02:22 PM
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145. A guy who hates the military, apparently, who had travelled to Yemen, who got
arrested using a Somali passport over there, and who was under FBI terrorist task force surveillance. He'd only been in LR a couple of months--he didn't even know those kids. That's from ABC news.

Pity the FBI weren't surveilling the guy a little closer...that dead kid would be alive if they had done.
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Milspec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jun-01-09 04:30 PM
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29. One dead
the other critical with a head wound
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jun-01-09 04:30 PM
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33. I should have known better than to make assumptions based on the media report. nt
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Mon Jun-01-09 05:50 PM
Response to Reply #23
41. I don't think it's a vet. The kids shot were local...Updated at 7:04 PM
And the were involved in local activities just a couple of months ago. Those activities could easily have involved drugs.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jun-01-09 07:03 PM
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55. Maybe not. The report is inaccurate. The kids who were shot were not recruiters.
They were on a Home Town Area Recruiting Program scheme, where kids fresh out of boot camp are assigned to a recruiting station for two weeks. They help the recruiter and tell positive stories about boot camp, and put a human face on the process. It helps overcome fear of the unknown for kids who are nervous about going to boot camp.

This program has been in existence for many, many decades. It works, too, and it also serves as a place to stash kids when their advanced training is a month or so away from their graduation from boot camp. So it might have been something as simple as a neighborhood grudge, or something.
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lies and propaganda (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jun-01-09 04:30 PM
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24. Not to make light...
But 9 years after being recruited, I STILL want to punch my lying sack of shit recruiter in the face.

Not one thing they told me was true, and the lies they told were detrimental. I went in as Dietitian and then was stationed as a MEDIC at Walter fucking Reed.

Lying in any way you can to get the numbers you need is sure to piss us a few of us lowly schmucks, im sure.


Hope they are okay and find a new, less karmically fucked career path.
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pasto76 (305 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jun-01-09 04:30 PM
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28. Word! Then SFC Dreger, you bold faced lied to my mother.
Which is total bullshit.
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lies and propaganda (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jun-01-09 04:30 PM
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30. What?
Try makingtaht a little more clear dude. Are you saying that its bullshit that I think i was lied to?
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Mon Jun-01-09 06:43 PM
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49. I think he was agreeing with you
in his own inimitable way.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jun-01-09 04:39 PM
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34. Navy recruiter told me you would never be asked to do more than 20 push-ups... EVER. n/tUpdated at 5:48 PM
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ohio2007 (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jun-01-09 09:51 PM
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98. How many did you do after boot camp?
unless...
Did you have a little NJP time ? ;)

lol
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jun-02-09 10:01 AM
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138. I actually eneded up not signing-up. n/tUpdated at 5:48 PM
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jun-01-09 11:06 PM
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103. Jeez, ya flunk the PT test if that's all ya can do!!! nt
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Tue Jun-02-09 01:17 AM
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115. I'd be willing to bet the recruiter told the truth...Updated at 7:04 PM
in that case if that is what was said. I was never ASKED to do even a single pushup when I was in.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jun-02-09 10:00 AM
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137. Ohhh... good point... not "asked" but ORDERED. n/tUpdated at 5:48 PM
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bdab1973 (597 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jun-02-09 05:11 PM
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148. Did you have a degree?
Because if you did, you shouldn't have even bothered talking to a "regular" recruiter, and gone straight to the medical officer recruiters. They specifically recruit people with medical degrees, and they will NOT sign you up to be a simple medic. There is no enlisted MOS for a dietitian in any branch of the military. A simple visit to the Army recruiting website would tell you to go to a medical officer recruiter.

While it's disturbing that a regular recruiter (ie, someone who recruits enlisted personnel) somehow convinced you that you'd be a dietitian if you enlisted in the military, it's equally mind-boggling why you didn't do any basic research before joining. I think I had a pile of literature to sift through before I even called a recruiter, and that was both times (enlisted in the Army National Guard at 18, and went through active USAF Officer Training School some 8 years later).
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jehovas_waitress (85 posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jun-01-09 04:30 PM
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25. Domestic Terrorism?
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ohio2007 (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jun-01-09 09:01 PM
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86. not on this Continent but the one across the pond has had threats against its way of thinking .
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Gidney N Cloyd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jun-01-09 04:30 PM
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31. "Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room!" nt
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Mon Jun-01-09 04:30 PM
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32. Take your pick
A parent angry that his/her child enlisted against his/her wishes
A solder between deployments angry about having to go back
A veteran having a flashback
A rejected recruit angry about having been rejected
A Gulf War protestor
A parent/relative of a disabled vet angry about the lack of help s/he's getting
A really bad idea for a gang initiation...

:(
rocktitivy



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humbled_opinion (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jun-01-09 05:45 PM
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38. You forgot one
A misinformation black box campaign by right wing radicals to somehow implicate anti-war protesters to this deed in light of the anti-abortionists murder of Dr. Tiller.

I already hear cries that Obama spoke out on the Tiller murder but hasn't taken a stand against the leftists that perpetrated this act on recruiters.
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John Kerry VonErich (935 posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jun-01-09 08:58 PM
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85. Hmmm, food for thought there.
nt
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twitomy (505 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jun-01-09 07:54 PM
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67. Forgot one..
A Muslim convert...
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FailureToCommunicate Donating Member (926 posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jun-01-09 04:57 PM
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36. More than 30 replies before cause is discussed? Reason? Unknown as yet. Cause? Easy guns.
Edited on Mon Jun-01-09 05:01 PM by FailureToCommunicate
With out easy gun access that guy who didn't like "army" for whatever reason would only have been able to throw a few insults or maybe a beer can at those poor kids in uniform. As it is there are more grieving mothers and families.
And before you DU - NRA fans pop up to rant about all the other ways those two victims could have been killed (tossing bath tubs, etc) ask your self this: How would your mom feel if you were shot by some disgruntled nut?

Condolences for their unfortunate families
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Pavulon (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jun-01-09 05:54 PM
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42. Yep easy guns is the answer, they are responsible for everything..
combat deaths in iraq, civilian deaths, those loose guns even shot the doctor in kansas. A PERSON is responsible for their actions.

I would feel the PERSON who killed my loved one should die in florence adx crazy as a loon and eating their own shit from being locked away from human contact for 40 years.

After I got over the initial reaction which would to cold kill the motherfucker who did that to my family.

(reconsidered term) you and the NRA neither one of you represent common sense.
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quickesst (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jun-01-09 05:55 PM
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43. I don't like the NRA....
...but the idea that the guy couldn't have "easy access" whether the gun laws were stricter or not is naive. Easy access is not exclusive to loose gun shows, or unscrupulous gun dealers. As a matter of fact the easiest access there is for those wanting weapons for criminal intent is through the black market on the street where stolen weapons are easily purchased. Besides, the guy was driving an SUV, usually more deadly than a bullet when used as a weapon, and this guy obviously wanted the two soldiers absolutely dead. The suspect and his reasons for his actions are why they were attacked. Take a gun or a knife away from someone with murder in mind, and they do not magically transform into a model citizen. They will still find a way to kill you. Like I said, make gun purchases illegal period, and these two most likely would still have suffered gunshot wounds. Money = easy access.

And this...."And before you DU - NRA fans pop up to rant about all the other ways those two victims could have been killed (tossing bath tubs, etc) ask your self this: How would your mom feel if you were shot by some disgruntled nut?"

....doesn't even make any sense. :shrug:....but it's a lot better than some of the stuff I've read and heard. Thanks.
quickesst
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FailureToCommunicate Donating Member (926 posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jun-01-09 09:17 PM
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88. You're right, that part doesn't make any sense. I just came back from my younger brother's
funeral so I was not expressing myself well. What I meant to say is that every time there is another thread on DU about another killing with guns, it isn't long before someone jumps in to argue against all the posts decrying
guns to say that the victim or victims could just as easily been killed with _______ (and here they list several interesting but highly less likely ways to kill someone.) The inescapable fact that in the US there are 30,000 plus deaths involving guns each year. Not from drowning someone in a bath tub or hitting them with a base ball bat or shoving them in front of a fast moving train, though those happen sometimes. Those thirty thousand are Just plain old guns. Someone else then pops up and repeats that there are 30,000 plus deaths from auto accidents. But of course those are mostly NOT suicides or murder, just stupid drivers and laws of physics.
It is impossible to change human nature, but there would sure be a lot less successful attempted murders if there were fewer guns available to any damn person that was motivated to get one (or had one already in a drawer or by their bedside).
Just sayin'
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jehovas_waitress (85 posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jun-01-09 06:16 PM
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44. Shooter Identified as Abulhakin Muhammad formerly Carlos Bledsoe
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jun-01-09 06:28 PM
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46. More religious terrorism.
Safety in numbers?
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jun-01-09 07:05 PM
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56. Did he graduate with the kids he shot? Or is he an Al Q wannabee? NT
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twitomy (505 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jun-01-09 07:55 PM
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68. No, only Christians
are capable of "hate crimes" /sarcasm off
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maddezmom DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Mon Jun-01-09 07:07 PM
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57. Update: Police say Suspect Targeted Military
Just after 5:00 this evening, Little Rock Police say Abulhakin Muhammad, also known as Carlos Bledsoe, is charged with capital murder and 15 counts of terroristic acts after a shooting at an Army/Navy recruitment center on Rodney Parham Road in Little Rock.

Little Rock Police Chief Stuart Thomas says Muhammad targeted military personnel.

23-year-old Private William Long, of Conway, died as a result of his injuries.

18-year-old Private Quinton Ezeagwula, of Jacksonville, was also shot. Chief Thomas says he is in stable condition and will recover.

Around two o'clock Monday afternoon, police and bomb squad officers went Muhammad's apartment off Napa Valley Drive in the Bristol Park complex.

The military revealed information about what the victims were doing at the center. Lt. Col. Thomas F. Artis, Commander of the Oklahoma recruiting battalion which has command over the Little Rock recruiting station says the soldiers were enlisted men, not officers, and that they did not work as recruiters. Lt. Col. Artis says they were part of a recruiting program called "hometown recruiting assistance."

~snip~

A witness to the shooting told KARK 4 they were sitting at a nearby traffic light when they heard the gunfire and saw a vehicle speed away from the scene. Another witness saw it all happen from an apartment complex across the street.

The FBI is assisting in the investigation. Police have been questioning the suspect since his arrest, but have not yet filed any charges.

more: http://arkansasmatters.com/content/fulltext/?cid=226222
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jun-01-09 07:28 PM
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60. ... Police .. say a man who shot two .. soldiers .. likely had "political and religious motives" ...
Gunman Shoots 2 at Arkansas Military Recruitment Center
Monday, June 01, 2009
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,523860,00.html?test...
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Mon Jun-01-09 08:09 PM
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71. You are SOURCING FAUX NEWS and the article doesn't contain your quotes.Updated at 7:04 PM
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jun-01-09 08:48 PM
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80. Here, try the AP.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gQACN...

Muhammad acted alone, the police chief said, and based on an interview with officers, the suspect "probably had political and religious motives for the attack."
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Mon Jun-01-09 09:31 PM
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91. And there are WMDs in Iraq... Updated at 7:04 PM
...bombs in the suspects van and terrorists on every street corner.

Give it a rest and stop being so rash.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jun-01-09 10:58 PM
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101. You really DO need a tweezers. And maybe some powder for that rash of YOURS, too!


:rofl:

Valiant try with the "WMD in Iraq" redirect, though!!
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jun-01-09 11:27 PM
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105. I'm not sure what you're trying to say. I'm merely tracking news coverage here:
it is not my view that the attack was religiously or politically motivated, nor is it my view that the Muslim name apparently used by the suspect has any deep significance

If I were to make a guess right now, based on the limited knowledge I have, I would guess (following an idea upthread) that the shooter was a person who was angry with the Army for some ill-defined or petty reason -- perhaps the Army refused to recruit him, for example

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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jun-01-09 08:52 PM
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83. It's at top of story when I click link. I give two other stories below if you don't like this one
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jun-01-09 11:03 PM
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102. He's just mad at everyone. You can give him links till the cows come home.
Apparently, his "opinion" about the way this story needs to shake out is the only valid one.

He's carping at anyone who doesn't see it his way.

Hey, it's the internet. Strangers in the night, and all that. Whatchagonnado? It's not you, it's him.
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Tue Jun-02-09 12:23 AM
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107. Yep, it's me.Updated at 7:04 PM
I'm a total prick when people insist on spreading rumors. I don't care if they source the rumors to a news article or not, if they can't practice basic critical thinking I'm happy to help out.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list