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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 07:27 PM
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Siberian child 'raised by dogs'
Source: BBC News

Russian officials have taken a five-year-old Siberian girl into care, saying that she had apparently been "brought up" by cats and dogs.

The girl, who is unable to speak, was discovered living in a squalid flat in the Siberian city of Chita.

Police said she had never been allowed outside and had adopted the behaviour of the animals she lived with.

Read more: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8070814.stm



I hear of one or two of these a year; they're pretty high up on my "horrified fascination" list. It's sad that it's almost impossible for a child to completely recover from this kind of, er, upbringing.
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Kerrytravelers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 07:31 PM
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1. Another Feral Child. This is so sad.
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liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 07:42 PM
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2. I think these children...
Edited on Wed May-27-09 07:43 PM by liberalmuse
would be better off living amongst the dogs and cats who raised them. We 'civilized' human beings think it is sad, but it is more likely that the children would be much happier if left alone. Civilization is way overrated.
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grilled onions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 08:15 PM
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3. Unconditional Love...
Animals came to her rescue when her human parents failed her. Animals don't seem to judge and they are born with nurturing that many human parent seem to have a shortage of these days.
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 08:42 PM
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7. For every feral child raised by a nurturing animal...
there are probably dozens of kids mauled to death by less-than-nurturing animals, so it's kind of a toss-up.
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Sal Minella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 09:03 PM
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10. The two-legged less-than-nurturing animals are the worst, imho.
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Nevernose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 10:12 PM
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16. They're the ones who should know better.
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meow2u3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 02:32 PM
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27. The two-legged animals belong in a kill shelter
Better known as prison.
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Sal Minella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 02:46 PM
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28. A compulsory neutering program simultaneously would be good too.
But I am hoping for too much, perhaps.....
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rapturedbyrobots Donating Member (364 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 09:11 PM
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11. bull
this kind of romanticizing of animal behavior is completely wrong and ends up motivating a lot of misguided attitudes and policies towards animals. animals are not necessarily nurturing or possessing some naturally enhanced mothering instinct. try breeding mice for a while like i do for my work and you might change your mind. many many many female mice are absolutely terrible mothers, often completely neglecting their litters, and sometimes they are even infanticidal and cannibalistic even when they have ad libitum access to food and water.
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 08:25 PM
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4. It is incredible. I share your "horrified fascination". n-t
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DesertDiamond Donating Member (838 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 08:26 PM
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5. I find this very moving.Animals are so much more intelligent than most people give them credit for.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 08:37 PM
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6. dogs did what her family and people wouldn't or couldn't. nt
Edited on Wed May-27-09 08:38 PM by xchrom
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 08:52 PM
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8. Anybody else craving a nice, tall, cold glass of Schnauzer milk?
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raventattoo Donating Member (99 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 09:02 PM
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9. Dogs are most amazing creatures.
And in this case, this dog lover credits the cats.
Fascinating is an appropriate word.
Dogs are thoughtful, emotional creatures and have more reasoning capabilities than given credit. They are toally social and feed off the company that keeps them. I call them creatures and not animals--a term better fit for us humans.
Horrible story though.
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nolabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 09:33 PM
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12. There are some misconceptions here
Just because she grew up wiith the dogs and cats doesn't mean they "raised" her in any altruistic, better-than-people" way (and believe me, I love me some dogs and cats; I'm writing from under a pile of them now). As pack animals I expect the dogs accepted her, the cats tolerated her,and as a child obviously severely neglected by her mother, she got what she could get and identified with the only family she had.

She won't ever "get over" this, though. Humans learn to be human from other humans at the beginning of life. I've heard of some amazing work being done, so maybe, but this level of early neglect has profound effects on intelligence, language acquisition, emotional regulation and self-and-other identity.

Adore your children, people.
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 09:35 PM
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13. Yep; if they're 'raised' before language acquisition it's almost hopeless
I've heard of a few children in these sorts of situations who recovered and are either mostly or wholly "normal" now, but they'd all gotten into that state after they were socialized enough to get language.

Also, hee at the mental image of a couple of arms reaching out of a pile of dogs and cats to type.
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foxfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 09:39 PM
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14. Good thing Sarah Palin didn't mistake the child for a wolf,
given how Palin can see Russia from her porch.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 10:12 PM
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15. What did she eat? How did the dogs/cats keep her inside?
Or am I missing something, can't tell from the story if she was living with parents who left her alone all day/night with dogs/cats, or what
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Regret My New Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 11:30 AM
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26. Sounds like the parents kept her locked inside there and neglected her
At least that is what I'm thinking since it says the police have the mother.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 11:28 PM
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17. I can't believe it still happens.
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Norrin Radd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 12:00 AM
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18. Watch this intro to a recent doc on this:
Edited on Thu May-28-09 12:03 AM by Norrin Radd
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljVd6XS-J0s

I think it's more a matter of the kid emulating the behavior of the animals, as opposed to being "raised" by them.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 12:27 AM
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20. I have to say....
Awesome name and icon! :yourock:

Make mine Marvel!
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Norrin Radd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 12:52 AM
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21. Same to you (fellow mythology buff).
Edited on Thu May-28-09 12:53 AM by Norrin Radd
:fistbump:

Unless you were referring to the mutant, which is still cool. ;-)
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 02:20 AM
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22. Both!
Edited on Thu May-28-09 02:21 AM by proteus_lives
Greek mythology was one of my first literary passions, that's probably why Proteus caught my eye in Uncanny X-Men.

:toast:

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Norrin Radd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 03:07 AM
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23. Was your first exposure to mythology the D'Aulaires'
Greek and Norse myths books, as a kid?
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 03:37 AM
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24. Nailed it!
I read those books to tatters.

You too?

;-)
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 12:24 AM
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19. Probably always will.
It's one of those constant "weird happenings" in human history. I imagine as long as there are wild spaces or their urban counterparts, it will happen.
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