446
DONATIONS
Donate to DU!
Democratic Underground Latest Threads
Latest
Greatest Threads
Greatest
Lobby
Lobby
Journals
Journals
Search
Search
Options
Options
Help
Help
Login
Login
Google

Four states adopt 'no-smiles' policy for driver's licenses

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
First thread | Last thread
Home » Discuss » Latest Breaking News Donate to DU
RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue May-26-09 05:57 PM
Original message
Four states adopt 'no-smiles' policy for driver's licenses
Source: USA Today

Stopping driver's license fraud is no laughing matter: Four states are ordering people to wipe the grins off their faces in their license photos.

"Neutral facial expressions" are required at departments of motor vehicles (DMVs) in Arkansas, Indiana, Nevada and Virginia. That means you can't smile, or smile very much. Other states may follow.

The serious poses are urged by DMVs that have installed high-tech software that compares a new license photo with others that have already been shot. When a new photo seems to match an existing one, the software sends alarms that someone may be trying to assume another driver's identity.

But there's a wrinkle in the technology: a person's grin. Face-recognition software can fail to match two photos of the same person if facial expressions differ in each photo, says Carnegie Mellon University robotics professor Takeo Kanade.



Read more: http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-05-25-licenses...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
   Replies to this thread
   I Hate Smiling for Photos, Anyway  Demeter   May-26-09 05:58 PM   #1 
   I look so angry when I don't smile  blue_onyx   May-26-09 06:00 PM   #2 
   My passport photo looks like a mugshot...  a la izquierda   May-26-09 06:12 PM   #4 
   that's called 'doing the mona lisa'  paulsby   May-26-09 06:48 PM   #11 
   they'll have to find a way to make the DMV an unpleasant place  Enrique   May-26-09 06:11 PM   #3 
   Have you been to the DMV?  teknomanzer   May-27-09 03:49 AM   #24 
   Like being booked into a jail  saigon68   May-27-09 08:03 AM   #25 
   Some states are also requiring that people remove eyeglasses for the same reason.  Gormy Cuss   May-26-09 06:15 PM   #5 
   OK, just so long as they also remove them while driving.  damntexdem   May-26-09 06:22 PM   #7 
   Already that way on passport ID photos.  damntexdem   May-26-09 06:21 PM   #6 
   I prefer to smile very wide. It's because I've never seen a picture of someone smiling that wasn't  superconnected   May-26-09 06:25 PM   #8 
   Huh?  mascarax   May-26-09 06:43 PM   #9 
   Is it okay to leer?  bertman   May-26-09 06:44 PM   #10 
   Is it OK to invoke fear in the eyes of the beholder when being carded ?  ohio2007   May-26-09 07:10 PM   #13 
   I always end up looking like a stoned biker  Prisoner_Number_Six   May-26-09 06:59 PM   #12 
   My driver's license makes me look like an Iranian terrorist.  Arkana   May-26-09 07:14 PM   #14 
   Nice to know when I'm on the lam from Big Brother.  MilesColtrane   May-26-09 07:15 PM   #15 
   I like the way you think!  bluedigger   May-26-09 08:12 PM   #16 
   That's what I was thinking  Robbien   May-29-09 09:39 AM   #29 
   I grew a beard since my last driver's license photo  jberryhill   May-26-09 08:18 PM   #17 
   When are they going to tattoo our DNA number on our forearm?  Downwinder   May-26-09 08:29 PM   #18 
   I put on my best gangsta "Mad Dog" stare for pictures anyway.  MrSlayer   May-26-09 08:43 PM   #19 
   that is insane  tabbycat31   May-26-09 10:50 PM   #20 
   The solution is to give the Spock Eyebrow to the camera  Posteritatis   May-26-09 10:51 PM   #21 
   So now that the economy sucks so badly, is this really a problem?  undeterred   May-26-09 11:11 PM   #22 
   No worry, after going through the DMV, I'm not exactly in a smiling mood anyway.  Endangered Specie   May-27-09 12:04 AM   #23 
   Drivers license?  Butch350   May-27-09 10:49 AM   #26 
   easier to use as a mug shot. nt  Javaman   May-27-09 12:14 PM   #27 
   Jesus H. Christ what next?  DebbieCDC   May-27-09 07:32 PM   #28 
 
Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue May-26-09 05:58 PM
Response to Original message
1. I Hate Smiling for Photos, AnywayUpdated at 6:24 AM
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
blue_onyx (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue May-26-09 06:00 PM
Response to Original message
2. I look so angry when I don't smile
but the article says "slight smiles" are acceptable.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
a la izquierda Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Tue May-26-09 06:12 PM
Response to Reply #2
4. My passport photo looks like a mugshot...
they told me not to smile, so I didn't. And I didn't have makeup on, so in February, I looked like a pasty criminal. It breaks the ice with the Fatherland security folks at the airport.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue May-26-09 06:48 PM
Response to Reply #2
11. that's called 'doing the mona lisa'
or at least should be
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue May-26-09 06:11 PM
Response to Original message
3. they'll have to find a way to make the DMV an unpleasant place
make sure no one's happy there.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
teknomanzer (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed May-27-09 03:49 AM
Response to Reply #3
24. Have you been to the DMV?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed May-27-09 08:03 AM
Response to Reply #3
25. Like being booked into a jail
A more unfriendly place could never be found
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue May-26-09 06:15 PM
Response to Original message
5. Some states are also requiring that people remove eyeglasses for the same reason.
Asinine low tech software.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
damntexdem (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue May-26-09 06:22 PM
Response to Reply #5
7. OK, just so long as they also remove them while driving.
Otherwise, when a cop stops you, how will s/he know that you're the person with the picture on the license.

;-)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
damntexdem (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue May-26-09 06:21 PM
Response to Original message
6. Already that way on passport ID photos.
But I want to know about the state laws requiring the use of the most-idiotic photo possible on the DL.

;-)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue May-26-09 06:25 PM
Response to Original message
8. I prefer to smile very wide. It's because I've never seen a picture of someone smiling that wasn't
beautiful.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mascarax Donating Member (988 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue May-26-09 06:43 PM
Response to Original message
9. Huh?
Edited on Tue May-26-09 06:45 PM by mascarax
This statement is way too generic (sure, algorighms can fail): <<Face-recognition software can fail to match two photos of the same person if facial expressions differ in each photo>>

If the damn photos were the same - or nearly the same, then facial recognition technology would be utterly pointless (smile or no). It depends on the algorithm(s) used.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Tue May-26-09 06:44 PM
Response to Original message
10. Is it okay to leer?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ohio2007 (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue May-26-09 07:10 PM
Response to Reply #10
13. Is it OK to invoke fear in the eyes of the beholder when being carded ?
Arkansas, Indiana, Nevada and Virginia are losers
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Prisoner_Number_Six Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue May-26-09 06:59 PM
Response to Original message
12. I always end up looking like a stoned biker
And they can kiss my rosy red if they think they're gonna try making me shave my beard...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue May-26-09 07:14 PM
Response to Original message
14. My driver's license makes me look like an Iranian terrorist.
I'm Italian.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue May-26-09 07:15 PM
Response to Original message
15. Nice to know when I'm on the lam from Big Brother.
All I have to do to avoid detection is grin like an idiot.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bluedigger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue May-26-09 08:12 PM
Response to Reply #15
16. I like the way you think!
:hide:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri May-29-09 09:39 AM
Response to Reply #15
29. That's what I was thinking

If one is going to commit a crime, they should just grin like a grinning monkey to foil any attempts at getting caught by facial recognition programs.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue May-26-09 08:18 PM
Response to Original message
17. I grew a beard since my last driver's license photo

I guess beards and mustaches or absence thereof is also going to be required to be permanent.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Downwinder (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue May-26-09 08:29 PM
Response to Original message
18. When are they going to tattoo our DNA number on our forearm?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue May-26-09 08:43 PM
Response to Original message
19. I put on my best gangsta "Mad Dog" stare for pictures anyway.
If you smile people think you're a punk. :P
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tabbycat31 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue May-26-09 10:50 PM
Response to Original message
20. that is insane
I'm sorry but I smiled in my DL photo. Why should i have a photo that looks like it's out of a police lineup?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue May-26-09 10:51 PM
Response to Original message
21. The solution is to give the Spock Eyebrow to the camera
What?

Spock's emotionally neutral...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue May-26-09 11:11 PM
Response to Original message
22. So now that the economy sucks so badly, is this really a problem?Updated at 6:47 PM
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Endangered Specie (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed May-27-09 12:04 AM
Response to Original message
23. No worry, after going through the DMV, I'm not exactly in a smiling mood anyway.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Butch350 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed May-27-09 10:49 AM
Response to Original message
26. Drivers license?

We don't need no stinken driver license.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed May-27-09 12:14 PM
Response to Original message
27. easier to use as a mug shot. nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DebbieCDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed May-27-09 07:32 PM
Response to Original message
28. Jesus H. Christ what next?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb 10th 2010, 11:13 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Latest Breaking News Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals  |  Links  |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2009 Democratic Underground, LLC