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Obama Vows ‘Independent’ Replacement for Souter
Source: NY Times

WASHINGTON — Justice David H. Souter formally told the White House on Friday that he will retire from the Supreme Court at the end of the current term in June, a development that stirred intense interest about who his replacement will be and how the change will affect future court rulings on abortion and the balance between personal liberty and national security.

President Obama praised Justice Souter and his record on the court, and said he hoped to have a new justice confirmed by the Senate by the time the court reconvenes in October.

Promising to nominate a replacement with “a sharp and independent mind and a record of excellence and integrity,” Mr. Obama, who startled reporters by walking to the lectern for a cameo appearance in the middle of the daily White House press briefing, said that he would look for a candidate for whom the law was not a matter of abstract theory, but a force that affects real people in their daily lives.

He took no questions, and offered no clue about the choice of a new justice, always one of a president’s most lasting decisions. But even before Justice Souter’s letter was delivered to President Obama in mid-afternoon, the speculation about a successor was rampant, with much of the attention focused on women or minority candidates. Reports of Justice Souter’s deccision to retire first emerged Thursday evening on National Public Radio.



Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/02/us/02court.html?hp



Why are Dems constantly bending over backwards to assure RW Fascist bastards that they will appoint "independent" or "impartial" people, all the while the RW does nothing but promote ideologues to the exact same positions? :shrug:
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   Nobody who has appointed a judge has ever said "I'm going to appoint someone who thinks exactly like  SemiCharmedQuark   May-01-09 05:14 PM   #1 
   bush lies like a dirty old rug..  Cha   May-01-09 08:41 PM   #17 
   To the contrary, Bush emphasized that he did not want to appoint someone who might change views  No Elephants   May-02-09 05:38 AM   #21 
      He was almost laughed out of DC for Meiers.  SemiCharmedQuark   May-02-09 06:21 PM   #31 
         Yes, by Republicans. But not because he claimed she was "independent."  No Elephants   May-03-09 06:38 AM   #35 
   Independent’ w/ left leanings  Bankhead_ATL   May-01-09 05:15 PM   #2 
   as opposed to hardcore RW true believers  ixion   May-01-09 05:22 PM   #5 
      Bush didn't present Alito and Roberst as RW true believers, he presented them as Indpenedent  SemiCharmedQuark   May-01-09 05:24 PM   #6 
         Branding means nothing... neither were independent  ixion   May-01-09 06:44 PM   #11 
         Here are Bush's remarks on the Alito nomination. No mention of Sam's independence. None.  No Elephants   May-02-09 05:58 AM   #22 
            He presented them as independent with words like these:  SemiCharmedQuark   May-02-09 06:18 PM   #30 
               Not the same thing at all.  No Elephants   May-03-09 06:39 AM   #36 
   I personaly want someone who will make rwingers forget all about  Wapsie B   May-01-09 05:15 PM   #3 
   yeah, that would be a nice change  ixion   May-01-09 05:21 PM   #4 
   some people can't help themselves from being pre-emptively disappointed.  ErinBerin84   May-01-09 05:28 PM   #7 
   hell, "excellence and integrity" says no RW'er will ever be nominated  angstlessk   May-01-09 05:29 PM   #8 
   Best suggestion I've heard that fills the bill  safeinOhio   May-01-09 05:51 PM   #9 
      Owwwww, That would zing Cousin Clarence.  Jackpine Radical   May-01-09 10:15 PM   #20 
      That would be fun, but teaching at Oral Roberts University gives me pause. And, I'd like  No Elephants   May-02-09 06:03 AM   #23 
   Lousy, lousy headline by NYT. Should read "independent-minded"  Zenlitened   May-01-09 06:13 PM   #10 
   Thank you.  kimmylavin   May-01-09 07:00 PM   #12 
   There's quite a science to writing headlines, imo,  elleng   May-01-09 08:43 PM   #18 
   I don't think anyone assumes voter registation when "independent" refers to a SCOTUS justice.  No Elephants   May-02-09 06:07 AM   #24 
   Are you stupid?  SpartanDem   May-01-09 07:22 PM   #13 
   No.. you miss my point  ixion   May-01-09 07:53 PM   #14 
   rethugs say the same thing, natch  Psephos   May-01-09 08:09 PM   #15 
      Not necessarily. Please see Post 22, replying to a claim that Bush said the same thing.  No Elephants   May-02-09 06:12 AM   #26 
   ROFL  alcibiades_mystery   May-01-09 08:15 PM   #16 
   Deleted by No Elephants.  No Elephants   May-02-09 06:53 AM   #29 
   Enjoy false dichotomies?  No Elephants   May-02-09 06:09 AM   #25 
   How about Judge Bybee?  soryang   May-01-09 08:48 PM   #19 
   .....  No Elephants   May-02-09 06:15 AM   #27 
   I don't care about rhetoric. I care that Obama does not appoint another  No Elephants   May-02-09 06:18 AM   #28 
   What's wrong with David Hamilton?  SpartanDem   May-02-09 06:34 PM   #33 
   I'm hoping he appoints someone with a sharp and independent  firedupdem   May-02-09 06:26 PM   #32 
   The one judge he has appointed does not share my values.  No Elephants   May-03-09 06:37 AM   #34 
   Great - THEY get EXTREME RIGHT WING NUT JOBS, and we get "moderates"...  TankLV   May-03-09 01:44 PM   #37 
   Well, I'd be happy with someone quite "independent" of the sort of  JerseygirlCT   May-03-09 01:50 PM   #38 
 
SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri May-01-09 05:14 PM
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1. Nobody who has appointed a judge has ever said "I'm going to appoint someone who thinks exactly like
I do."

They *all* claim they are appointing independent thinkers. Bush did this too.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Fri May-01-09 08:41 PM
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17. bush lies like a dirty old rug..
I have a feeling Prez Obama wants an Independent thinker.
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat May-02-09 05:38 AM
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21. To the contrary, Bush emphasized that he did not want to appoint someone who might change views
once on the bench--a fairly obvious reference to his father's appointee, Justice Souter. If he had claimed Harriet Meiers to be an independent thinker, he would have been laughed out of D.C., never mind impeachment.

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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat May-02-09 06:21 PM
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31. He was almost laughed out of DC for Meiers.
This is true about Souter, but any hint at his love of ideologues was hidden under rhetoric like "won't be an activist judge" or "no litmus test".
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun May-03-09 06:38 AM
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35. Yes, by Republicans. But not because he claimed she was "independent."
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Bankhead_ATL (248 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri May-01-09 05:15 PM
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2. Independent’ w/ left leanings
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri May-01-09 05:22 PM
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5. as opposed to hardcore RW true believers
it does not strike a balance, IMO.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri May-01-09 05:24 PM
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6. Bush didn't present Alito and Roberst as RW true believers, he presented them as Indpenedent
That's what presidents do.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri May-01-09 06:44 PM
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11. Branding means nothing... neither were independent
both were true believers. You knew, and I knew it, but nobody with access cared enough to call him on it.

That's the rub, as they say.
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat May-02-09 05:58 AM
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22. Here are Bush's remarks on the Alito nomination. No mention of Sam's independence. None.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...

Sam Alito did mention his sister Rosemary's independence, though. Perhaps that is what you recall.

No mention of independence when nominating Roberts, either. http://santiago.usembassy.gov/OpenNews/asp/pagDefault.a...

No mention of independence when he nominated Harriet Meiers, either, http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-10-03-bush... or when he mentioned Alberto Gonzalez as a possiblity to fill the seat that went to Roberts. (Senate Republicans mentioned Roberts before Bush did.)

If you have anything to back up your insistence that Bush presented his picks as independent, I would sure love to see some links.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat May-02-09 06:18 PM
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30. He presented them as independent with words like these:
"Judge Alito's nomination received bipartisan support and he was again confirmed by the unanimous consent by the United States Senate."

Calls to their fairness, etc.

In other words, if you didn't follow politics and you trusted Bush, you could easily think that these were moderates. He certainly didn't go up there and state that they would be hardline RWers even though everybody who knew anything about them knew they would be.

Likewise, Obama is not going to say he's looking for liberals. He's going to say he's looking for someone that knows the law, etc. etc. etc.

The only thing to do is see who he nominates. Rhetoric in this means very little.
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun May-03-09 06:39 AM
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36. Not the same thing at all.
Edited on Sun May-03-09 07:15 AM by No Elephants
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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri May-01-09 05:15 PM
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3. I personaly want someone who will make rwingers forget all about
their anger for people like Hillary. A Liberal with a capital L. No placating the repugs, not now not ever.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri May-01-09 05:21 PM
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4. yeah, that would be a nice change
from the DLC types who will no doubt get the nod.
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ErinBerin84 (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri May-01-09 05:28 PM
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7. some people can't help themselves from being pre-emptively disappointed.
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angstlessk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri May-01-09 05:29 PM
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8. hell, "excellence and integrity" says no RW'er will ever be nominated
by Obama, ever!
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safeinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri May-01-09 05:51 PM
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9. Best suggestion I've heard that fills the bill
Anita Hill.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri May-01-09 10:15 PM
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20. Owwwww, That would zing Cousin Clarence.
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23. That would be fun, but teaching at Oral Roberts University gives me pause. And, I'd like
Edited on Sat May-02-09 06:04 AM by No Elephants
someone younger.
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Zenlitened Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri May-01-09 06:13 PM
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10. Lousy, lousy headline by NYT. Should read "independent-minded"
... if they were trying to capture the essence of what he said. Which is a HUGE distinction. Nothing in his quote, IMO, suggested he was talking about political party registration/identification.

From the Associated Press, via NYT:

''Now, the process of selecting someone to replace Justice (David) Souter is among my most serious responsibilities as president, so I will seek somebody with a sharp and independent mind and a record of excellence and integrity.

"I will seek someone who understands that justice isn't about some abstract legal theory or footnote in a casebook; it is also about how our laws affect the daily realities of people's lives, whether they can make a living and care for their families, whether they feel safe in their homes and welcome in their own nation.

"I view that quality of empathy, of understanding and identifying with people's hopes and struggles, as an essential ingredient for arriving at just decisions and outcomes. I will seek somebody who is dedicated to the rule of law, who honors our constitutional traditions, who respects the integrity of the judicial process and the appropriate limits of the judicial role.

"I will seek somebody who shares my respect for constitutional values on which this nation was founded and who brings a thoughtful understanding of how to apply them in our time.''


Link:
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009/05/01/us/politics/...




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kimmylavin Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri May-01-09 07:00 PM
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12. Thank you.
He didn't say anything about political leanings, he said he wants someone with an independent mind, ie, someone who can think for him/herself.
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri May-01-09 08:43 PM
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18. There's quite a science to writing headlines, imo,
Edited on Fri May-01-09 08:53 PM by elleng
but unfortunately few have studied it and fewer papers hire such.

Have to check her bio, but does this sound like Sotomayor already?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonia_Sotomayor
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat May-02-09 06:07 AM
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24. I don't think anyone assumes voter registation when "independent" refers to a SCOTUS justice.
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SpartanDem Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri May-01-09 07:22 PM
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13. Are you stupid?
Edited on Fri May-01-09 07:26 PM by SpartanDem
You expect him to come out and say directly yeah I'm gonna appoint an ideologue?
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri May-01-09 07:53 PM
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14. No.. you miss my point
I'm just saying it always seems like the progressives have to bend to the will of rethugs, yet rethugs never reciprocate.

I don't necessarily want an ideologue. I'd prefer an truly independent mind on the SCOTUS. But show me one who is truly independent and I'll show you a person who doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of sitting on that particular bench.

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15. rethugs say the same thing, natch
it's a side-effect of having an ideological perspective

I wouldn't worry too much about what kind of candidates Obama will consider....
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat May-02-09 06:12 AM
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26. Not necessarily. Please see Post 22, replying to a claim that Bush said the same thing.
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16. ROFL
OP = Made of stupid.
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29. Deleted by No Elephants.
Edited on Sat May-02-09 06:54 AM by No Elephants
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat May-02-09 06:09 AM
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25. Enjoy false dichotomies?
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soryang (127 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri May-01-09 08:48 PM
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19. How about Judge Bybee?
He's okay right?
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27. .....
:rofl:
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat May-02-09 06:18 AM
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28. I don't care about rhetoric. I care that Obama does not appoint another
Edited on Sat May-02-09 06:20 AM by No Elephants
so called "moderate," like his only other judicial appointment so far. I urge people here to contact their Democratic Senators and the White House.

IMO, no issue is more important to a Presidency than judicial appointments. Judges far outlast Presidents, especially if a President is canny enough to appoint young judges.
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SpartanDem Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat May-02-09 06:34 PM
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33. What's wrong with David Hamilton?
nt
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32. I'm hoping he appoints someone with a sharp and independent
mind! No matter the spin, this President is not going to appoint someone who doesn't share his values or ours. I'm not even concerned with it.
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34. The one judge he has appointed does not share my values.
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun May-03-09 01:44 PM
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37. Great - THEY get EXTREME RIGHT WING NUT JOBS, and we get "moderates"...
I want BALANCE, and "moderate" is NOT "balance"...

but I still support Obama overall...and generally trust him - he hasn't disappointed me too much so far...
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38. Well, I'd be happy with someone quite "independent" of the sort of
"thought" processes shared by Roberts, Scalia, Alito and Thomas.

Frankly, someone truly intelligent and independent is likely going to rule in ways we'd like.

And there's also the fact that many a justice has been selected, with the idea that the president understood his positions - only to completely turn around once in the seat. Souter was appointed by Bush Sr., and partly because Bush thought he'd be a secure anti-choice vote. Oh, but once Souter actually was in a position to rule on it, and looked at the law independently and thoughtfully, not with political calculations in mind, he surprised the righties.
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