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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 02:59 PM
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9/11 Panel: Rice won't appear at public hearing
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/02/25/911.commission /

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The commission investigating the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks said Wednesday that National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice had declined their request to testify at a public hearing next month.

"We are disappointed by this decision," commission members said in a statement Wednesday. "We believe the nation would be well served by the contribution she can make to public understanding of the intelligence and policy issues being examined by the Commission."

<snip>

The statement said that Bush and Cheney "prefer not to meet with all members of the Commission."

Former President Bill Clinton and former Vice President Al Gore have agreed to meet privately with all members of the commission, the statement said.

...more...
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 03:01 PM
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1. Can we say cover-up! Now why would they need to cover-up?
and what are they covering up?

And does the media care?
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catzies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 03:10 PM
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11. Her boss has a great quote about that.
""We expect there to be transparency. People who have got
something to hide make us nervous." -- G.W. Bush (President Bush Rallies the Troops in Alaska on Feb 16, 2001)
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 03:11 PM
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13. LOL - you have to laugh, 'cause otherwise you'd cry
:-)
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 03:02 PM
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2. I wonder how Condi's cousin feels about that
I forget her first name , but she was great on Bill Moyers .
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catzies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 03:06 PM
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6. Constance Rice! The anti-Condi! Wasn't she great?
I remember thinking, "Where has she been hiding? How come I've never heard of her before?"
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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 05:03 PM
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29. Must be her evil twin
like in those old Bette Davis movies the good twin and the bad twin.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 03:03 PM
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3. How does her boss feel about that?
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 03:04 PM
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4. let's see a show of hands -- anyone surprised?
thought not.
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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 03:04 PM
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5. Can we just say
chickenshit? What a coward!
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 03:07 PM
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7. makes sense, she is the worst liar of all of them
I'd say that Bush is, but I don't think Bush knew a whole lot to begin with

Condi knows, and it's written all over her face.
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MI Cherie Donating Member (682 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 03:07 PM
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8. If not in public, at least ...
... under oath!

Same with Bush & Cheney. Whether the "prefer" to or not.

What do they have to hide? What are they afraid of?

How can anyone who has nothing to hide be so scared?
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 03:10 PM
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9. hahaha. not very predictable, huh? bush and cheney "prefer not to meet
with all members of the Commission?" HAH. this is more talking points material for the Democratic Party.
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llmart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 03:10 PM
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10. And why are they
even given a choice? Haul their asses in front of the commission so we can all see them squirm.
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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 03:11 PM
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12. So, the national security advisor
refuses to speak on the issue of the greatest failure of national security since Pearl Harbor...ummmm....this is why these commissions need subpoena power. Same with Plame. Haul all of them out into public and put them under oath --- now that would be an investigation. This is just busywork.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 03:16 PM
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14. Agreed, Monica_L
Unfortunately, this Old American Republic has what might be termed as a case of AIDS.

No, this isn't a hack on homosexuals but I worked on trying to get closer to a cure for AIDS for a couple years. It works, to simplify things, by attacking the memory cells of the immune system so that they cease recognizing infection to develop antibodies against it.

Doesn't that just describe the Busheviks to a tee? With their Orwellian Lies and complicit inspidi Corporate TV Pravda trailing behind the Bushevik Party-Loyal Sub-Media, they erase history...memory.

And all with the inetnt of parasitizing and ultimately destroying the organism (The Old American Republic) they incubated inside of.

I completely agree. The Imperial family is as transparently and obviously corrupt as Hitler or Stalin.

Thank God they aren't as brutally violent or repressive...yet.
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CaptainClark23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 03:17 PM
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15. GOOD ANALOGY
Care to write that one up?
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 03:22 PM
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16. Where?
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CaptainClark23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 03:23 PM
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17. hell, on the back of a paper napkin!
post it in GD, say its for open distribution. just get that image OUT THERE
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 03:39 PM
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18. It would seem Ms. Rice is not interested in making the public understand
the intelligence and policy issues being examined by the Commission. On second though, what could Ms. Rice add when she, the National Security Advisor, did not realize airplanes could be used as weapons against designated targets such as tall or large buildings?
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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 03:42 PM
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19. At this point, the commission should issue subpoenas. . .
No more diddling around.


:grr:
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prodigal_green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 03:55 PM
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21. Second that!
eom.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 04:42 PM
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25. Do they even have supeona power
or do they have to get permission from Bu$hler?
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graphixtech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 03:47 PM
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20. Sunday NEWS = 911 public heat!
Ellen Mariani and Phil Berg spoke with packed venues in Kansas City on Sunday Feb, 22. About 1500 residents heard them speak directly. They were also interviewed live on the three main TV stations, and two local radio stations.

It is a safe to assume that our 'representatives" are all feeling extra public pressure especially from the Midwest right about now. Add your voice while the iron is hot!

Here is a short article about their visit, with three photographs of Mariani/Berg:
http://kcindymedia.org/newswire/display/1321/index.php
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 04:29 PM
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22. I must be missing the point? What doe Mariani and Berg have to do
Edited on Wed Feb-25-04 04:30 PM by 0007
with the 911 commission and Condoleezza Rice?

And why three photos of these persons?
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nomatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 04:39 PM
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23. Point provided in the link
On 11/26/03, Ellen Mariani filed a civil RICO action lawsuit against President Bush and other high level members of his administration based upon prior knowledge of 911; knowingly failing to act, prevent or warn of 911; and the ongoing obstruction of justice by covering up the truth of 911; all in violation of the laws of the United States.

Ellen seeks judicial redress to restore the U.S. Consititution's "Separation of Powers" clause so never again will another "911" occur on our land.

Berg is her lawyer.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 07:20 PM
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34. Sorry, but it went over my head. I do catch the connection now.
Thanks
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 04:46 PM
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27. You missed that story when it went around?
No surprise, even for an internet junkie to miss stuff. Of course, the media has been avoiding this major story for months now. Fortunately, Mariani, has a strong case and isn't about to go away. This is going to be a long hot summer.

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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 04:40 PM
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24. They just provided a perfect election year problem for themselves
so presumably it would be worse if they testified. I wish Gore and Clinton would go public. Why shouldn't they?
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 04:50 PM
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28. Because has a former President
Edited on Wed Feb-25-04 04:53 PM by DoYouEverWonder
Clinton has his hands tied by tradition and respect for the office. Former presidents normally try not to be too critical of their successors, at least not publicly. I would love to see Clinton testify in public, but by doing so he could cause a national crisis. Humpty Dumpty is about to fall anyway, Clinton doesn't need to be the one to push him.



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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 06:43 PM
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32. CAUSE a national crisis????
in case you haven't noticed, we have been in a national crisis since the unConstitutional Supreme Court selection of Bush in 2000!!!!

Cripes, what does it take for some people to wake the fuck up and see what is happening to our nation because of these people who, rightly should be called fascists?

If Clinton gives a goddamn about the Constitution, then he should testify, he should create a crisis, if telling the truth constitutes a crisis in proto-fascist America.

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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 08:35 PM
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35. Clinton has agreed to testify
Edited on Wed Feb-25-04 08:36 PM by DoYouEverWonder
just not publicly. I think under the circumstances he has made a wise decision. The 9-11 commission can get the information they need and Clinton can try to avoid turning the thing into a public spectacle.

Unfortunately, so far neither Clinton, nor anyone else in a position to do so, wants to be the one who pulls their finger from the dam and end up going down in history as the one that brought down the US government.



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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 04:43 PM
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26. They are suing Bush and his lackeys (or is he the lackey?) for
the death of her husband on 9/11.
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osaMABUSh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 06:10 PM
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30. Bush Cheney won't meet full panel; Clinton Gore will.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/02/25/911.commission/index.h...

"The statement also asked Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney to reconsider their decision to be questioned only by the commission's chairman, former New Jersey Gov. Tom Kean, a Republican, and its vice chairman, former Indiana Rep. Lee Hamilton, a Democrat. (Full story)

The statement said Bush and Cheney "prefer not to meet with all members of the commission."

Former President Bill Clinton and former Vice President Al Gore have agreed to meet privately with all members of the commission, the statement said."


I guess too many people asking too many questions would be difficult and damaging to Rove & Co.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 06:36 PM
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31. subpoena their asses. our democracy is at stake
who the hell are they to think they don't have to account to the American people???

I don't give a fuck if they did steal the election, they are in office now and we have, supposedly, a system of checks and balances to stop an imperial presidency.

so get some balls and ovaries, 9-11 commission members, and tell these fricking fascist pricks that they cannot get away with their Reichstag fire...

and if it wasn't a Reichstage fire scenario, then why are they afraid to tell the truth?

From Michael Ledeen's Machiavelli and Modern Leadership:

"In order to achieve the most noble accomplishments, the leader may have to 'enter into evil,' This is the chilling insight that has made Machiavelli so feared, admired, and challenging. It is why we are drawn to him still..."

"Just as the quest for peace at any price invites war and, worse than war, defeat and domination, so good acts sometimes advance the triumph of evil, as there as circumstances when only doing evil ensures the victory of a good cause."

Reporter William O. Beeman for The Pacific News Service:

"Ledeen's ideas are repeated daily by such figures as Richard Cheney, Donald Rumsfield and Paul Wolfowitz...He basically believes that violence in the service of the "spread of democracy" (quote marks mine) is America's manifest destiny. Consequently, he has become the philosopher legitimator of the American occupation of Iraq" (and what else, I wonder?)

Ledeen, btw, met with Ghorbanifar, one of the Iran/Contra slugs, before the invasion of Iraq.

He was also involved in the guns for drugs years of Bush I, and is a fellow of The American Enterprise Institute.

He is considered the philosopher of the Project for a New American Century (and we all know how they fretted that they needed a "new Pearl Harbor" to instigate their plans to create an imperial, rather than democratic America.
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 07:14 PM
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33. All any of them will do is lie
The entire Bush junta is with out a shred of credibility. I just pray someday they are held accountable.
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