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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 03:06 PM
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Ex-Official: Bush Panicked After 9/11 (and tortured prisoners)
Source: CBS New/AP

Former State Dept. Lawyer Describes Bush Administration's Gimto Interrogations As Torture

(CBS/AP) A former State Department lawyer tells The Associated Press that the Bush administration panicked after 9/11 and tortured prisoners.

Former President George W. Bush denied anyone was tortured. But Vijay Padmanabhan is at least the second insider to publicly describe as torture the so-called "enhanced interrogation techniques" used by the U.S.

Padmanabhan was the department's chief counsel on Guantanamo litigation. He says it was "foolish" for the Bush administration to declare that detainees were beyond the reach of U.S. and international laws and the Geneva Conventions.

He told the AP Friday that "Guantanamo was one of the worst overreactions of the Bush administration."

Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/03/27/politics/main... ;topStories
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 03:11 PM
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1. crazy people don't deal with crisis well
they tend to over-react and use it for their own agendas.
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 03:16 PM
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3. You can say that again . . . .
Edited on Fri Mar-27-09 03:17 PM by no_hypocrisy
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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 06:41 PM
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20. Sociopaths are not crazy - they KNOW what they are doing - and George W. Bush is a sociopath
.
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"Texacutioner"

mocking the woman on Death Row

"Please don't kill me"

"Fuck Saddam, take him out"

Dim-son was neither stupid nor crazy.

He overachieved during his tenancy as President.

He ruined millions of lives, slaughtered countless thousands, and lined the pockets of his cronies with trillions of dollars of taxpayers monies.

George W. Bush was a huge success in that he achieved his goals beyond his wildest dreams

Dim-son could care less if the World hates him,

or if the economy falls apart.

And he will be ecstatic if his efforts result in nuclear war.

He could care less who wins.

Something to ponder . .

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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 07:34 PM
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21. And they are very good at creating and seizing opportunites to exercise their pathologies. nt
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 08:35 PM
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23. Nothing to ponder it's a fact!
He enjoyed having the power to allow torture. He had to surpass his daddy somehow.

The whole lot of them are spineless cowards. That was their job and they failed.

War Crimes!
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 06:41 AM
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29. "Smirk." - xCommander AWOL (R)
Edited on Sun Mar-29-09 06:42 AM by SpiralHawk
"It's a Republicon Family Values thang. Smirk>"

- xCommander AWOL (R)

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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-28-09 09:48 AM
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27. actually you are right about Bush being a sociopath
he did know.... my statement was supposed to be a bit of "tongue-in-cheek"
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 03:14 PM
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2. They slapped Gitmo up in 86 hours. The legal "justification" was passed over by the Dems and media
To say that Gitmo wasn't US territory (and therefore laws didn't apply to it) runs directly in the face of our longstanding position that embassies and military bases are a part of the US. McCain was born on a Naval facility in Panama (we think) making him eligible to have been President. The outcry over embassy bombings and attacks against US Military personnel in Germany were clear illustrations of this.
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 03:29 PM
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4. Wow, I never thought of that. Talk about hiding in the open.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 03:32 PM
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6. It didn't last more than two news cycles
Rummy was just so forceful that the press nodded and moved on
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 03:28 AM
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28. The corporatist media nodded bc Rummy was a Republican. He did not need to be anything else.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 03:34 PM
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7. Defining characteristic of PNAC and the NeoCons was hiding in the open
No one believe Cheney really meant working the "dark side" when he said the US needed to work the "Dark Side."

A key tenet of the Neo-fascists was that no one would assume that their neo-fascist phalangist policies could REALLY be neofascist/phalangist policies.


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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 03:57 PM
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9. The real point of Gitmo was not that it wasn't US territory, but that
the military had 100% control over access. Nobody could just drive up to the gate with a battery of ACLU lawyers and Red Cross workers demanding to see the prisoners.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 04:35 PM
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11. If we have a lease, isn't it ours for the term of the lease anyway?
Their rationale never made sense to me.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 05:05 PM
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15. Depending on the tenets of the lease yeah I would think so
I think (THINK) that we have some sort of lease deal for all our embassies and military posts of some kind, but I am not really sure.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-30-09 08:36 AM
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31. the Media disseminates what they are told to disseminate--legal justifications matter not on
iota.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 03:32 PM
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5. A dry drunk can't be relied upon to make rational choices.
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 03:35 PM
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8. You mean a drug-addled nutjob.
He was never right in the head. Drunk or no drunk.
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 04:32 PM
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10. Nonsense! It was planned in advance
For one example: Do you really think the 'PATRIOT ACT' was slapped together between Sept 11 and the time it got to the floor?

Bush didn't panic and he was never in charge.

This is just another attempt to let them all off the hook.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 04:53 PM
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12. I agree he wasn't in charge. But whether he panicked or not is irrelevant. nm
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 05:00 PM
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14. Point is: if he panicked, then maybe he was trying to do the right thing and blew it
We all make mistakes, right?

Wouldn't be fair to hold it against him, right?
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 06:20 PM
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18. Hold something against someone with a mental disability isn't meaningful. nm
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-28-09 08:05 AM
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24. Consider a drunk driver...
Who realizes they are out of control, panics and tries to park, hitting someone on the sidewalk.

Would it be fair to charge them? Yes.

The point is that panic or blowing it matters not. The motivation leading to war crimes are not an element of the crime. The law (US statutes, the Geneva treaties and the Nuremberg precedent) are all quite clear, and were all quite clearly broken. In the US statute, it is a capital offense if torture leads to death and there were many body bags coming out of the torture mills.

-Hoot
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-28-09 09:06 AM
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26. Bingo. nt
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 04:59 PM
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13. Oh No, It Wasn't Panic. It Was License and Sadism
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 05:20 PM
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16. CBS Snooze and the Associated Pukes are aiding and abetting the cover story
that "Bush panicked." That is ridiculous. The torture went on for SEVEN YEARS. It was methodical, and completely thought out, including arranging for Yoo's memos to try to cover their war criminal asses. The only thing we don't yet know is what it was really all about.

My guess:

Seeking out and torturing/killing people to erase all traces of Bush Junta connection to 9/11, or other huge crimes, such as weapons trafficking. It recently came out that Cheney had a hit squad going into countries and targeting individuals and killing them. They likely had a torture squad as well, targeting people to be kidnapped who had info they wanted for coverups of their crimes, or for business purposes, and these were flown to Guantanamo Bay or to torture dungeons around the world, and there were probably many murders after they were through with their victims.

The random roundup of innocents was cover for this activity. They picked up youngsters. They picked up soldiers who had a gun in their hand, merely thinking to protect their country from foreign invasion. They paid warlords and others for "enemy combatants"--who were no such thing. They arrested, jailed and tortured people for stealing bread, or for doing nothing at all. This seemingly insane, pointless and extremely counter-productive policy begins to make sense when you look at it as cover for the targeted tortures. If the targeted tortures were conducted "to keep us safe," why was all this cover needed--all these senseless arrests and ruinations of innocent lives?

I don't believe that Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld & brethren did anything with the motive of "keeping us safe." So what was their motive? It certainly was NOT "Bush panicking." That would be laughable, if the subject were not so....utterly horrible.

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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 07:38 PM
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22. Naomi Klein says the motive of systemic government torture is to paralyze the populace
with fear. The Argentinians figured this out and came up with the antidote: spread the word. Once individuals know they are not alone they group together and fight back.

I think she is absolutely brilliant.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 05:52 PM
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17. Commander AWOL Bush = Typical republicon Homelander
They live and breathe fear -- that's why they want to CONTROL everyone...
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sutz12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 06:27 PM
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19. Of course he did...I always figured him for a coward.
Never saw anything to change that opinion, either.

:shrug:
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Frank Cannon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-28-09 08:12 AM
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25. Bush stuffed firecrackers up the asses of frogs as a kid and blew them up
Nice try, CBS. Bush didn't torture anyone because he "panicked". He did it because he is a sick fuck and he couldn't resist the opportunity. Everyone knows that.
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 08:17 AM
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30. If I "panic" and systematically plan and carry out murder of a neighbor's family because
someone violently entered my home and killed somebody, what will happen to me? But, but, your honor, I "panicked."

what kind of "leader" "panics" anyway? Is "panic" now the new excuse for anything goes? what a load of bullshit. But of course the ignorant third will lap it up to justify their love of someone as mean, stupid, incompetent, dishonest, ignorant, and sadistic as themselves.
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