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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-25-09 04:52 PM
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McCain warns of losing fragile gains in IraqUpdated at 3:23 PM
Source: AP

WASHINGTON – Republican Sen. John McCain said Wednesday that security gains in Iraq could be lost if the new administration pulls troops out too quickly, but he didn't dismiss the feasibility of President Barack Obama's 19-month timetable.

The administration was finishing details this week on a plan that would withdraw most of the nation's 142,000 troops in Iraq by August 2010. The proposal would leave as many as 50,000 troops behind to advise and train Iraqi security forces and to protect U.S. interests.

McCain, who lost the presidency to Obama last year, suggested that the timeline — three months longer than Obama's campaign pledge but shorter than some military officials have advised — was an attempt to find middle ground. He warned that while the plan might appease Americans wary of war, the public should keep in mind that casualties could continue.

"Let's also be realistic — advisers in any conflict are in harms' way," McCain told an audience at the conservative American Enterprise Institute.

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090225/ap_on_go_co/us_iraq...
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   That's sort of the point: these gains are fragile, if they're even...  tanngrisnir3   Feb-25-09 04:56 PM   #1 
   Considering the bribes and payoffs...  Oregone   Feb-25-09 04:59 PM   #2 
      Im ok with it  pasto76   Feb-25-09 05:18 PM   #6 
         Hmmm, Isn't that the Policy the CIA took to install the Shah of Iran years ago?  Grinchie   Feb-25-09 06:46 PM   #10 
         I agree with you SGT  MadMaddie   Feb-25-09 09:24 PM   #20 
   In Other Words: McCain admits GOP Policies Lead to Iraq's Fragility  fascisthunter   Feb-25-09 05:03 PM   #3 
   If this is all those fuckers have for a bench after the star batter bombs. They are fucked.  xultar   Feb-25-09 05:04 PM   #4 
   Well, good thing it's not up to you isn't it then Johnny boy?  shadowknows69   Feb-25-09 05:17 PM   #5 
   christ! as long as NO ONE IS HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THIS ILLEGAL WAR  Mari333   Feb-25-09 05:26 PM   #7 
   I can't believe I'm the first to say this...  BlueIdaho   Feb-25-09 05:40 PM   #8 
   McWho?  Grinchie   Feb-25-09 06:43 PM   #9 
   No one gives a fuck what you say OR think McCain  OwnedByFerrets   Feb-25-09 07:12 PM   #11 
   The very Great Majority of the American people don't care what McCain thinks or says.  Winterblues   Feb-25-09 07:14 PM   #12 
   Trillions of dollars for "fragile gains" after how many years? nt  bemildred   Feb-25-09 07:18 PM   #13 
   When all else fails  VP505   Feb-25-09 07:19 PM   #14 
   Worked sooo well for  Mz Pip   Feb-25-09 07:22 PM   #15 
   He did not look happy when Obama was talking about this last night.  The Hope Mobile   Feb-25-09 07:22 PM   #16 
   Ooops duplicate  The Hope Mobile   Feb-25-09 07:32 PM   #17 
   After all these years and after all this death and after all this money the  acmavm   Feb-25-09 07:38 PM   #18 
   News Flash for Gramps 'You lost the election, you don't get to make policy'  Optical.Catalyst   Feb-25-09 08:12 PM   #19 
   Mcpasse' n/t  deacon   Feb-25-09 09:54 PM   #21 
   The Big Iraqi Candy Mountains  Thor_MN   Feb-25-09 10:22 PM   #22 
   "...security gains in Iraq could be lost ..."  unkachuck   Feb-25-09 10:47 PM   #23 
 
tanngrisnir3 (665 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-25-09 04:56 PM
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1. That's sort of the point: these gains are fragile, if they're even...
valid, and they're propped up by things you'll never hear McCain directly speaking about, like out-and-out bribes in cash payments to Sunni Sheiks to toe the line, the total segregation of Baghdad by walls between neighborhoods, etc...

Once those payments stop and we're looking like we're leaving.....

BAM, chaos is again likely.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-25-09 04:59 PM
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2. Considering the bribes and payoffs...
Edited on Wed Feb-25-09 05:00 PM by Oregone
Are the troops really what is costing money? If you aren't looking at ending the war (we are still keeping 50K there), whats the point of a draw down at all (other than public perception here)? Are the bribes going to stop anytime soon? If they do, aren't those remaining forces sitting ducks? If they don't, isn't this getting a bit expensive?

I don't get it...either buck up and fight the war or get the fuck out (I prefer the later). Keeping it in limbo, an expensive one (if payouts continue), seems pointless.
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pasto76 (327 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-25-09 05:18 PM
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6. Im ok with it
I would rather have the 2 divisions out "on the horizon" and laregley out of harms way, and keep paying bribes, then ask my troops to keep inserting themselves into the meat grinder.
My troops need to stop dying over this.

SGT PASTO
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Grinchie (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-25-09 06:46 PM
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10. Hmmm, Isn't that the Policy the CIA took to install the Shah of Iran years ago?
Oh yeah, that was a great success, and really cheap, until it failed and caused us to lose years of dialogue, trade and diplomacy.

You may be right!
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-25-09 09:24 PM
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20. I agree with you SGT
Welcome to DU!! :hi:
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Feb-25-09 05:03 PM
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3. In Other Words: McCain admits GOP Policies Lead to Iraq's Fragility
and now we all have to careful not to call them on it for they also have very fragile egos.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Feb-25-09 05:04 PM
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4. If this is all those fuckers have for a bench after the star batter bombs. They are fucked.
:fistbump:

They go back to fear mongering messaged by the most tired monger in in the bunch.

Sad. Sad. Sad.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-25-09 05:17 PM
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5. Well, good thing it's not up to you isn't it then Johnny boy?Updated at 12:01 PM
That's why you lost BTW, well that and that uber-bimbo you had as your running mate.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-25-09 05:26 PM
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7. christ! as long as NO ONE IS HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THIS ILLEGAL WAR
it will continue to be spoken about as tho its a legitimate enterprise! fuckers.
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BlueIdaho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-25-09 05:40 PM
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8. I can't believe I'm the first to say this...
Fuck John McCain - he's irrelevant
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Grinchie (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-25-09 06:43 PM
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9. McWho?
Isn't that the angry old man last seen waving his fist at the Moon?
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OwnedByFerrets (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-25-09 07:12 PM
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11. No one gives a fuck what you say OR think McCain
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Winterblues (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-25-09 07:14 PM
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12. The very Great Majority of the American people don't care what McCain thinks or says.
Doesn't he understand that he has lost any credibility on the subject?
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-25-09 07:18 PM
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13. Trillions of dollars for "fragile gains" after how many years? nt
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VP505 (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-25-09 07:19 PM
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14. When all else fails
Edited on Wed Feb-25-09 07:20 PM by VP505
go back to the "Bogyman will get you" and "Bomb, Bomb, Bomb Iran," eh John?
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Feb-25-09 07:22 PM
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15. Worked sooo well for
him and SARAH! during the campaign didn't it?

They lost. Obama won. QED.
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The Hope Mobile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-25-09 07:22 PM
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16. He did not look happy when Obama was talking about this last night.
This is one of the (MANY) reasons he lost.
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The Hope Mobile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-25-09 07:32 PM
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17. Ooops duplicate
Edited on Wed Feb-25-09 07:33 PM by The Hope Mobile
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acmavm (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-25-09 07:38 PM
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18. After all these years and after all this death and after all this money the
situation is still FUCKING FRAGILE?????

Holy smokes.
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Optical.Catalyst (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-25-09 08:12 PM
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19. News Flash for Gramps 'You lost the election, you don't get to make policy'
McCain should retire and go yell at kids on his lawn. He is not adding constructively to the situation.
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deacon (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-25-09 09:54 PM
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21. Mcpasse' n/t
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Thor_MN (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-25-09 10:22 PM
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22. The Big Iraqi Candy Mountains
In the Big Iraqi Candy Mountains there's a land that's fair and bright, where the handouts grow on Bushes, and you sleep out every night.

Wonderful place, a veritable Eden, bought to you by the GOP. And whatever Obama does, it will be ruined according to the wing nuts.
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23. "...security gains in Iraq could be lost ..."
....guess what gramps, the civil war in Iraq begins the moment we leave, when we leave, if we leave....

....war-mongering must be contagious; the Obama administration is sounding more and more like bushco...but have no fear johnny, those Dems can be war-mongers too....

....are we still, still in Iraq? Why?....c'mon 'Bama, get us out of Iraq NOW! What do we have to do to find people willing to extricate us from Iraq? Elect Cindy and CODEPINK?
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