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Defamation suit brought by man who made Obama YouTube video is dismissed (DU wins case)
Edited on Wed Feb-11-09 01:44 PM by Skinner
Source: Public Citizen

Public Citizen scored a victory today (2/10) when a federal judge dismissed a defamation suit brought by Minnesota resident Lawrence Sinclair against three people who criticized him anonymously on the Internet.

Public Citizen represents one of the three defendants and a blog that was subpoenaed to identify Public Citizen's client. The defamation suit was filed in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia.

Last year, during the presidential primaries, Sinclair posted a YouTube video in which he made outrageous claims against Barack Obama, arising from a supposed encounter at a Chicago nightclub in 1999 with the then-Illinois state senator.

In dismissing the suit, Judge John D. Bates found Sinclair's case did not show enough merit to identify the anonymous critics, who had posted about Sinclair on DemocraticUnderground.com and Digg.com.

"The right to speak freely and openly on matters of public importance - and to choose to do so anonymously - is a cherished right in this country," said Paul Alan Levy, the Public Citizen attorney who handled the case. "Courts have consistently ruled that there must be a compelling reason to take away someone's right to speak out anonymously on the Web. This case was no exception."

READ documents related to the case.

Read more: http://www.citizen.org/pressroom/release.cfm?ID=2821



This case has been going on for about a year. Some of you may remember that Larry Sinclair had subpoenaed Democratic Underground to force us to disclose the identity of one of our members, mzmolly. We were determined to fight the subpoena, and were fortunate to receive free legal help from Paul Levy, an attorney at Public Citizen who specializes in Internet free-speech issues. (The press release is finally on the Public Citizen website. I have updated the link above.)

Skinner/David Allen
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   ---- ----  saltpoint   Feb-11-09 09:46 AM   #1 
   ~  Tuesday Afternoon   Feb-11-09 09:47 AM   #2 
   Congrats, Skinner! And thanks to Paul Levy! n/t  Coventina   Feb-11-09 09:48 AM   #3 
   w00t!! score one for DU!  ixion   Feb-11-09 09:50 AM   #4 
   Woohoo!  pleah   Feb-11-09 09:51 AM   #5 
   More Reich-wing insane hypocrisy: You post something on the internet BECAUSE  patrice   Feb-11-09 09:54 AM   #6 
   IOW....  AlbertCat   Feb-11-09 06:19 PM   #134 
   DU--- a force to be reckoned with!  panader0   Feb-11-09 09:55 AM   #7 
   May I say thanks to Panader0  mzmolly   Feb-11-09 01:16 PM   #76 
      That's one great and effective post n/t  truedelphi   Feb-11-09 01:26 PM   #83 
   Excellent... Yes.. excellent. n/t  poverlay   Feb-11-09 09:55 AM   #8 
   wow i had forgotten that nut case  mikelgb   Feb-11-09 09:57 AM   #9 
   Good for DU!!  oldtime dfl_er   Feb-11-09 12:06 PM   #56 
   He is best forgotten.  baldguy   Feb-11-09 02:13 PM   #91 
      at least ignored.  AlbertCat   Feb-11-09 06:17 PM   #133 
   Far out....................n/t  Wilber_Stool   Feb-11-09 09:58 AM   #10 
   Yeah!!  maddezmomDU Moderator   Feb-11-09 10:00 AM   #11 
   Locking, no link per LBN rules  Robb   Feb-11-09 10:02 AM   #12 
   Ha ha ha, yer killin' me!  Lasher   Feb-11-09 10:08 AM   #16 
   Hm. Something wrong with the "lock" button, too  Robb   Feb-11-09 11:23 AM   #51 
   For a while, we had to delete references to He-who-must-not-be-named  Maeve   Feb-11-09 12:43 PM   #65 
   Link to original article here  conscious evolution   Feb-11-09 02:54 PM   #105 
   dingbat.  unblock   Feb-11-09 03:41 PM   #115 
   DU rocks!  UpInArms   Feb-11-09 10:03 AM   #13 
   Democratic Underground Is the Universal Solvent ...  the_chinuk   Feb-11-09 10:04 AM   #14 
   And, you finally joined..  Cha   Feb-11-09 01:55 PM   #88 
   WOOT! GO DU! nt  anonymous171   Feb-11-09 10:07 AM   #15 
   bravo....  Blue_Tires   Feb-11-09 10:11 AM   #17 
   Thank You Mr. Paul Levy and Public Citizens. Keep on fighting the good fight  Wizard777   Feb-11-09 10:13 AM   #18 
   move over, ed schultz....  islandmkl   Feb-11-09 10:15 AM   #19 
   Thanks for standing up for us all.  Lasher   Feb-11-09 10:15 AM   #20 
   +1  Career Prole   Feb-11-09 06:25 PM   #135 
   Lawrence Sinclair - Don't be a douche. High School is so over. Get a life  xultar   Feb-11-09 10:15 AM   #21 
   Snippets from the 3 part smackdown  CabalPowered   Feb-11-09 10:17 AM   #22 
   Woohoo!  crispini   Feb-11-09 10:17 AM   #23 
   Woohoo! But what I want to know is  SallyMander   Feb-11-09 10:18 AM   #24 
   That's fantastic, score one for the good guys!  Libby2   Feb-11-09 10:18 AM   #25 
   Suck on *that*, SINclair!  City Lights   Feb-11-09 10:19 AM   #26 
   Fantastic and congrats to all who made this possible!!!  Jefferson23   Feb-11-09 10:20 AM   #27 
   Bravo to you, Public Citizen and mzmolly! nt  glitch   Feb-11-09 10:22 AM   #28 
   heh-heh.... 'dja getcher money's worth, Larry?  TygrBrightDU Moderator   Feb-11-09 10:23 AM   #29 
   Cool!  slackmaster   Feb-11-09 10:24 AM   #30 
   Thanks to all who helped secure a victory for free speech! nt  satya   Feb-11-09 10:28 AM   #31 
   Congrats! And kudos to Ralph Nader for founding Public Citizen!  bananas   Feb-11-09 10:28 AM   #32 
   There ya go....good point!!(eom)  CanSocDem   Feb-11-09 01:20 PM   #81 
   yes!! absolutely, kudos to Ralph Nader for Public Citizen!  inna   Feb-12-09 12:30 AM   #170 
   DU 1, fascism 0  no name no slogan   Feb-11-09 10:29 AM   #33 
   Is the original thread archived? or was it removed? n/t  yodermon   Feb-11-09 10:31 AM   #34 
   Now that is important for a lot of reasons...n/t  zeemike   Feb-11-09 10:36 AM   #35 
   In my OPINION, Larry Sinclair is a LIAR, LIAR, PANTS ON FIRE DUMBASS!  Vinnie From Indy   Feb-11-09 10:43 AM   #36 
   Score one for the good guys....thanks to all who made it possible! : )  madmom   Feb-11-09 10:48 AM   #37 
   So...The Good Guys DO win Sometimes :)  BlueJazz   Feb-11-09 10:49 AM   #38 
   Excellent news!  EleanorR   Feb-11-09 10:51 AM   #39 
   Spines of Stainless Steel ! Congratulations to all.  WheelWalker   Feb-11-09 10:57 AM   #40 
   Congratulations  Bluenorthwest   Feb-11-09 10:57 AM   #41 
   Awesome! nt  scytherius   Feb-11-09 11:03 AM   #42 
   This is great!  qanda   Feb-11-09 11:04 AM   #43 
   Now witness the firepower of this FULLY OPERATIONAL message board!  Ian David   Feb-11-09 11:04 AM   #44 
   Cool. Assorted Europeans & Rest of World take careful note.  Ghost Dog   Feb-11-09 11:07 AM   #45 
   This is wonderful! Thanks DU and Public Citizen!  tandot   Feb-11-09 11:13 AM   #46 
   Thank you for fighting this fight Skinner. n/t  lumberjack_jeff   Feb-11-09 11:14 AM   #47 
   Excellent  Ohio Joe   Feb-11-09 11:14 AM   #48 
   Wow - Just wow! Thanks!  1776Forever   Feb-11-09 11:16 AM   #49 
   You guys always seem to piss off the weirdest amongst us...  LanternWaste   Feb-11-09 11:20 AM   #50 
   *chuckle*  PatGund   Feb-11-09 01:38 PM   #86 
   Fantastic news. Good for you, and good for us!  hisownpetard   Feb-11-09 11:28 AM   #52 
   Very cool... Congratualtions & thanks to you  WePurrsevereDU Moderator   Feb-11-09 11:37 AM   #53 
   Congrats and well done!  peace frog   Feb-11-09 11:51 AM   #54 
   Mother of my dog! Fine business, indeed!  DemoTex   Feb-11-09 11:55 AM   #55 
   DU: 1, Sinclair: 0  shadowknows69   Feb-11-09 12:18 PM   #57 
   My thoughts exactly! The guy posts a scurrilous attack video on Obama and then  mistertrickster   Feb-11-09 12:55 PM   #68 
   Congratulations to all!  sonias   Feb-11-09 12:20 PM   #58 
   A classy set of lawyers you were up against:  muriel_volestrangler   Feb-11-09 12:20 PM   #59 
   Hats off to you! nt  valerief   Feb-11-09 12:20 PM   #60 
   Fantastic! I'm now off to criticize as many You-Tube posters as possible!! NT  RoadRage   Feb-11-09 12:23 PM   #61 
   K&R & YAY! n/t  caseycoon   Feb-11-09 12:28 PM   #62 
   I want to thank Skinner for his support in this matter. I can't tell you all what  mzmolly   Feb-11-09 12:37 PM   #63 
   Hugs to you mzmolly.  Starry Messenger   Feb-11-09 01:04 PM   #70 
   Thanks Starry Messenger.  mzmolly   Feb-11-09 01:09 PM   #73 
      No problem.  Starry Messenger   Feb-11-09 01:18 PM   #80 
   Aaaaand Breathe  hbee   Feb-11-09 01:15 PM   #75 
   So nice to see you here Hbee!  mzmolly   Feb-11-09 01:24 PM   #82 
   Oops, I forgot to thank the Judge. Thank you Judge Bates!  mzmolly   Feb-11-09 03:25 PM   #111 
   This is just insane and I am so glad for you that it is over  proud2BlibKansan   Feb-11-09 04:08 PM   #121 
   Thanks P2B.  mzmolly   Feb-11-09 04:33 PM   #123 
   Excellent mzmolly.  mmonk   Feb-11-09 06:04 PM   #132 
   Freedom of Speech  demobot   Feb-11-09 07:15 PM   #145 
   Such a pleasure  mzmolly   Feb-11-09 07:52 PM   #153 
      Back at you  demobot   Feb-11-09 08:18 PM   #158 
         Thank you  mzmolly   Feb-11-09 08:50 PM   #161 
   Please check your PMs ASAP. nt  Pale Blue Dot   Feb-11-09 07:44 PM   #149 
   Thanks for the  mzmolly   Feb-11-09 07:53 PM   #154 
   Good Golly! mzmolly  Earth Bound Misfit   Feb-12-09 01:02 AM   #171 
   Great news!  TTUBatfan2008   Feb-11-09 12:37 PM   #64 
   W00t!  AzDar   Feb-11-09 12:44 PM   #66 
   Huzzah!  ElboRuum   Feb-11-09 12:51 PM   #67 
   This is great news! Congrats, Skinner, Elad, EarlG and mzmolly!  Spazito   Feb-11-09 12:55 PM   #69 
   !!!  Soylent Brice   Feb-11-09 01:06 PM   #71 
   So who's this Larry Sinclair wack-job?  brentspeak   Feb-11-09 01:08 PM   #72 
   These are the most colorfully named defendants in a federal case since the last Mafia trial.  rug   Feb-11-09 01:13 PM   #74 
   We've been compared to  mzmolly   Feb-11-09 01:17 PM   #79 
      Congrats on the win.  rug   Feb-11-09 01:32 PM   #84 
         Oh my,  mzmolly   Feb-11-09 01:35 PM   #85 
   Larry Sinclair is an @ss.  EFerrari   Feb-11-09 01:16 PM   #77 
   Is the thread archived? I'd like to see it if anyone has the link.  Catherine Vincent   Feb-11-09 01:17 PM   #78 
   As would I.  polmaven   Feb-11-09 02:15 PM   #93 
      Ironically  mzmolly   Feb-11-09 04:50 PM   #125 
         Well, wild or tame...  polmaven   Feb-11-09 10:23 PM   #165 
            Honestly,  mzmolly   Feb-11-09 10:58 PM   #167 
   Where did this clown get the money to sue DU??  navarth   Feb-11-09 01:45 PM   #87 
   Congratulations and thanks to all!  foxfeet   Feb-11-09 01:57 PM   #89 
   Larry sounds like a real whack job..  Cha   Feb-11-09 01:58 PM   #90 
   He really does. Is it possible to defame someone like that?  EFerrari   Feb-11-09 02:37 PM   #97 
      Levy argued that  mzmolly   Feb-11-09 03:19 PM   #109 
         His complaint was partly that you said he didn't commit crimes?  EFerrari   Feb-11-09 03:23 PM   #110 
            Kind of.  mzmolly   Feb-11-09 03:30 PM   #114 
            anonymous eyerolls from me  Generic Other   Feb-11-09 07:13 PM   #144 
   Wonderful news!  silverweb   Feb-11-09 02:13 PM   #92 
   Thank you for fighting to keep ourselves private. That's very cool of you!  readmoreoften   Feb-11-09 02:15 PM   #94 
   If this jerk posted a youtube vid, doesn't that make him a pulbic figure?  Pryderi   Feb-11-09 02:25 PM   #95 
   The Judge ruled that he is a limited public figure.  mzmolly   Feb-11-09 02:40 PM   #99 
   I hope Larry asks his even loonier supporters for tons of dough  Ikonoklast   Feb-11-09 02:33 PM   #96 
   I'm glad this little attention whore got nowhere with his lies.  Ferret Mike   Feb-11-09 02:39 PM   #98 
   Well, it certainly makes me want to donate a few bucks to Public Citizen, How about you?  GreenTea   Feb-11-09 02:42 PM   #100 
   Indeed!  mzmolly   Feb-11-09 02:46 PM   #101 
   I sent donations to both....  GreenTea   Feb-11-09 02:55 PM   #106 
      Of course.  mzmolly   Feb-11-09 03:01 PM   #107 
   Done!  GreenTea   Feb-11-09 02:46 PM   #102 
   ### SUPPORT DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND ###  underpants   Feb-11-09 02:47 PM   #103 
   that's great. is there a link to the original thread/post by mzmolly? n/t  orleans   Feb-11-09 02:48 PM   #104 
   Public Interest, not Civil LIberties? Either way, Congrats, mz Molly and the folks at DU are  No Elephants   Feb-11-09 03:10 PM   #108 
   cool  blogslut   Feb-11-09 03:26 PM   #112 
   Woohoo!  Odin2005   Feb-11-09 03:28 PM   #113 
   Man, that just improved my day  graywarrior   Feb-11-09 03:42 PM   #116 
   Never been happier to K&R! n/t  CLANG   Feb-11-09 03:44 PM   #117 
   Congratulations, Skinner, and well done! Hanging on to our First Amendment has been a bumpy ride!  Hekate   Feb-11-09 03:45 PM   #118 
   I like how one of the court briefs spells DU's name wrong  THUNDER HANDS   Feb-11-09 03:53 PM   #119 
   Huzzah!  GhostofRichardRorty   Feb-11-09 03:56 PM   #120 
   Nice work.  russ1943   Feb-11-09 04:19 PM   #122 
   Cool!  pacalo   Feb-11-09 04:44 PM   #124 
   Thank you and congratulations  santamargarita   Feb-11-09 05:04 PM   #126 
   Wow, I never even knew this was happening. Crazy!  ContinentalOp   Feb-11-09 05:11 PM   #127 
   Thanks for playing, Larry!  ProudToBeBlueInRhody   Feb-11-09 05:36 PM   #128 
   Well this certainly deserves a Recanakick.  ooglymoogly   Feb-11-09 05:38 PM   #129 
   Anon is legion  Tyler Generation   Feb-11-09 05:52 PM   #130 
   Fuck you Sinclair you rat bastard!  lonestarnot   Feb-11-09 06:02 PM   #131 
   You do bastard rats an injustice sir.  geckosfeet   Feb-11-09 07:47 PM   #151 
   K & R  tom_paine   Feb-11-09 06:29 PM   #136 
   EXCELLENT WORK, DU and SKINNER!  Th1onein   Feb-11-09 06:30 PM   #137 
   an Historic win!!!!  JohnWxy   Feb-11-09 06:43 PM   #138 
   Wow. Thanks to the attorney who donated his time and help for this case.  anneboleyn   Feb-11-09 06:46 PM   #139 
   I give my thanks to this attorney who worked, I'm sure tireless hours  TK421   Feb-11-09 06:51 PM   #140 
   This attorney deserves big kudos here, please  TK421   Feb-11-09 06:53 PM   #141 
   Absolutely. I highly recommend  mzmolly   Feb-11-09 07:56 PM   #156 
   I love DU!!!!!!!  wicket   Feb-11-09 07:04 PM   #142 
   K&R  bobthedrummer   Feb-11-09 07:07 PM   #143 
   Score one for the good guys...yay! Congrats - K&R n/t  ms liberty   Feb-11-09 07:16 PM   #146 
   Congrats Skinner & Bravo Public Citizen!!  SalmonChantedEvening   Feb-11-09 07:40 PM   #147 
   Awe thanks.  mzmolly   Feb-11-09 08:02 PM   #157 
   Excellent! Love it!  Maestro   Feb-11-09 07:42 PM   #148 
   A job well done. Defending the constitution, from all foes. eom  geckosfeet   Feb-11-09 07:46 PM   #150 
   Democratic Underground defended by an organization started by Ralph Nader -- how deliciously ironic!  Tesha   Feb-11-09 07:50 PM   #152 
   Not so sure Nader is at odds  mzmolly   Feb-11-09 07:54 PM   #155 
   Wow! Just Wow!  llmart   Feb-11-09 08:20 PM   #159 
   I wish I deserved  mzmolly   Feb-11-09 08:50 PM   #162 
   Yea, DU!!  intheflow   Feb-11-09 08:21 PM   #160 
   A critial victory for the ENTIRE Internet -  autorank   Feb-11-09 08:54 PM   #163 
   Damned conservatives and their frivilous lawsuits!  arcane1   Feb-11-09 09:44 PM   #164 
   Yes good decision Judge Bates.  humbled_opinion   Feb-11-09 10:47 PM   #166 
   holy shit~!!! i had no idea. thank you, Skinner. nt  inna   Feb-11-09 11:36 PM   #168 
   Congratulations. That must be an enormous relief.  Number23   Feb-11-09 11:57 PM   #169 
   WOO-HOO!  Earth Bound Misfit   Feb-12-09 01:03 AM   #172 
   Too funny Opus & Anthony interview of Larry  WillYourVoteBCounted   Feb-12-09 01:37 AM   #173 
   That's great!  mogster   Feb-12-09 01:56 AM   #174 
   As a member of DU, thank you. K&R  myrna minx   Feb-12-09 02:53 AM   #175 
   Thanks, Skinner, and Congratulations! Woohoo! n/p  Sparky 1   Feb-12-09 05:26 AM   #176 
   Congrats Skinner and DU...  Frisbee   Feb-12-09 08:07 AM   #177 
   That's why I love DU. The people that run the site and the folks  Lint Head   Feb-12-09 08:18 AM   #178 
   I'm so glad I checked  hileeopnyn8d   Feb-12-09 08:59 AM   #179 
 
saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Feb-11-09 09:46 AM
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1. ---- ----
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Tuesday Afternoon Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-11-09 09:47 AM
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2. ~
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Coventina (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-11-09 09:48 AM
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3. Congrats, Skinner! And thanks to Paul Levy! n/t
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Feb-11-09 09:50 AM
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4. w00t!! score one for DU!
:woohoo: :applause: :woohoo:

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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-11-09 09:51 AM
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5. Woohoo!
:woohoo:
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-11-09 09:54 AM
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6. More Reich-wing insane hypocrisy: You post something on the internet BECAUSE
almost anything CAN be posted on the internet - and - then you claim somekind of right to limit, according to your OWN criteria that YOU define, how people are to react to what you have posted? . . .

That's just like the crazy RW emailers who claim a right to send stuff to you but get all crazy irate if you reply.

People like that are either hopelessly stupid or insane.

:crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Feb-11-09 06:19 PM
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134. IOW....
He posts bat-shit-crazy malarkey and then gets all bent outta shape when someone calls him on it.

Typical RW behavior.
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panader0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-11-09 09:55 AM
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7. DU--- a force to be reckoned with!
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Feb-11-09 01:16 PM
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76. May I say thanks to Panader0Updated at 5:42 PM
for one of my favorite posts on this subject early on:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

;)
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-11-09 01:26 PM
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83. That's one great and effective post n/t
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poverlay (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-11-09 09:55 AM
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8. Excellent... Yes.. excellent. n/t
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mikelgb (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-11-09 09:57 AM
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9. wow i had forgotten that nut case
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oldtime dfl_er Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-11-09 12:06 PM
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56. Good for DU!!
and now this slimeball might slink back under the rock he came out from under...or maybe not...
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-11-09 02:13 PM
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91. He is best forgotten.
Or - at least ignored.
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Feb-11-09 06:17 PM
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133. at least ignored.
But you can't ignore them when they insert themselves uninvited with "legal" foolishness. I hope he is not just dismissed but pays somehow for wasting the courts, and everybody's, valuable time.
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Wilber_Stool (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-11-09 09:58 AM
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10. Far out....................n/t
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maddezmom DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Feb-11-09 10:00 AM
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11. Yeah!!
:applause:
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Feb-11-09 10:02 AM
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12. Locking, no link per LBN rules
:rofl:

:toast:
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Feb-11-09 10:08 AM
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16. Ha ha ha, yer killin' me!
:fistbump:

funnee!!
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Feb-11-09 11:23 AM
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51. Hm. Something wrong with the "lock" button, too
...dangit. :D
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Maeve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-11-09 12:43 PM
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65. For a while, we had to delete references to He-who-must-not-be-named
But since it's Skinner posting, well...

Glad to hear the courts aren't total asses, Boss!
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conscious evolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-11-09 02:54 PM
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105. Link to original article here
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unblock (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-11-09 03:41 PM
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115. dingbat.
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Feb-11-09 10:03 AM
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13. DU rocks!
(along with Skinner, Elad and EarlG)

:applause:

:yourock:
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the_chinuk Donating Member (113 posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-11-09 10:04 AM
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14. Democratic Underground Is the Universal Solvent ...
Of truth against lies, of good against not-so-good.

I've been following this website for more than 5 years now. I couldn't give up the DU habit if I tried.

This is good karma paying off. The universe likes DU.

With you working for us, how can anyone be agin' us?
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Feb-11-09 01:55 PM
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88. And, you finally joined..
Welcome aboard, chinuk!
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-11-09 10:07 AM
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15. WOOT! GO DU! nt
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-11-09 10:11 AM
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17. bravo....
i didn't even know there was a suit....
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-11-09 10:13 AM
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18. Thank You Mr. Paul Levy and Public Citizens. Keep on fighting the good fight
:fistbump: :applause: :headbang: :yourock: :headbang: :applause: :fistbump:
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islandmkl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-11-09 10:15 AM
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19. move over, ed schultz....
skinner's going to be getting a seat next to Helen...
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Feb-11-09 10:15 AM
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20. Thanks for standing up for us all.
That's pretty cool.



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Career Prole Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-11-09 06:25 PM
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135. +1
Nice to know the boss'll go to the wall if he has to.
Skinner:
:yourock:
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Feb-11-09 10:15 AM
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21. Lawrence Sinclair - Don't be a douche. High School is so over. Get a life
Love
Xultar


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CabalPowered Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-11-09 10:17 AM
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22. Snippets from the 3 part smackdown
The Court need not resolve here the precise standard appropriate for determining whether
disclosure of anonymous Internet speakers is warranted.

First, it is obvious that, as presented, the Court has no subject-matter jurisdiction over
Sinclair's complaint. He has alleged only state-law causes of action, and jurisdiction rests on
diversity of citizenship.
...

Second, there is likewise no basis to believe that Sinclair can establish personal
jurisdiction over defendants; certainly the complaint pleads no ground for personal jurisdiction
in the District of Columbia.
...

Third, for several reasons, the Court questions the sufficiency of Sinclair's claims in this
case. Of course, just stating that someone is "spreading lies" or is a liar may not be actionable as
defamation.
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-11-09 10:17 AM
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23. Woohoo!
:kick: and R!
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SallyMander Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Feb-11-09 10:18 AM
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24. Woohoo! But what I want to know is

what did the DUers say??? Must've been GOOD! :evilgrin:
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Libby2 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-11-09 10:18 AM
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25. That's fantastic, score one for the good guys!
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-11-09 10:19 AM
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26. Suck on *that*, SINclair!
:applause: :bounce: :woohoo:

Recommended.
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-11-09 10:20 AM
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27. Fantastic and congrats to all who made this possible!!!
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glitch (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-11-09 10:22 AM
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28. Bravo to you, Public Citizen and mzmolly! nt
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TygrBright DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-11-09 10:23 AM
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29. heh-heh.... 'dja getcher money's worth, Larry?
I hope he had to spend a LOT to bring the suit.

amusedly,
Bright
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-11-09 10:24 AM
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30. Cool!
:kick:
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satya Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-11-09 10:28 AM
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31. Thanks to all who helped secure a victory for free speech! nt
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-11-09 10:28 AM
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32. Congrats! And kudos to Ralph Nader for founding Public Citizen!Updated at 10:31 AM
:applause:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Citizen

Founded in 1971 by Ralph Nader and Alan Morrison,<1><2> its activities span a diverse range of issues, including energy policy, trade policy, campaign finance reform and accountability, consumer protection, medical malpractice, and public health.

The organization represents consumer interests in the United States Congress, the executive branch and the courts, fighting for openness and democratic accountability in government; for the right of consumers to seek justice in the courts; for clean, safe and sustainable energy sources; for social and economic justice in trade policies; for strong health, safety and environmental protections; and for safe, effective and affordable prescription drugs and health care.

Nader resigned as president of Public Citizen in 1980.<3> The organization currently is headed by Joan Claybrook, who was head of the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) during the Carter administration, 1977 to 1981.

<snip>

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CanSocDem (653 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-11-09 01:20 PM
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81. There ya go....good point!!(eom)
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Feb-12-09 12:30 AM
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170. yes!! absolutely, kudos to Ralph Nader for Public Citizen!


thanks a lot for bringing up this point, Bananas.

many people on all ends of the political spectrum forget that Nader has a quite an admirable legacy, 2000 notwithstanding.
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no name no slogan (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-11-09 10:29 AM
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33. DU 1, fascism 0
Nice work everybody! :toast:
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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-11-09 10:31 AM
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34. Is the original thread archived? or was it removed? n/t
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-11-09 10:36 AM
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35. Now that is important for a lot of reasons...n/t
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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-11-09 10:43 AM
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36. In my OPINION, Larry Sinclair is a LIAR, LIAR, PANTS ON FIRE DUMBASS!
Hey Larry! I know you are probably reading this thread because it is obvious to me that you suffer a mental illness.

Why not join the discussion? It should be quite entertaining.
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madmom Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-11-09 10:48 AM
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37. Score one for the good guys....thanks to all who made it possible! : )Updated at 6:01 PM
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BlueJazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-11-09 10:49 AM
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38. So...The Good Guys DO win Sometimes :)
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EleanorR Donating Member (17 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-11-09 10:51 AM
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39. Excellent news!
Many thanks to Paul Levy for volunteering his time and to judge Bates for delivering a wonderful smackdown to sinclair. And of course a big hooray for Skinner and mzmolly for hanging in there and fighting this fight for all of us.
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WheelWalker Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-11-09 10:57 AM
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40. Spines of Stainless Steel ! Congratulations to all.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-11-09 10:57 AM
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41. Congratulations
and well done. Make me feel better about posting.
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scytherius (576 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-11-09 11:03 AM
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42. Awesome! nt
nt
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-11-09 11:04 AM
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43. This is great!
:thumbsup:
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-11-09 11:04 AM
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44. Now witness the firepower of this FULLY OPERATIONAL message board!Updated at 8:18 AM
We are the most destructive force in the galaxy!
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Ghost Dog Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Feb-11-09 11:07 AM
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45. Cool. Assorted Europeans & Rest of World take careful note.
Without freedom of thought, investigation and speech we are all well seriously fucked screwn.

:raised fist: :hi:
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tandot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-11-09 11:13 AM
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46. This is wonderful! Thanks DU and Public Citizen!
:yourock:
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-11-09 11:14 AM
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47. Thank you for fighting this fight Skinner. n/t
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Ohio Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-11-09 11:14 AM
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48. Excellent
Nice to see the courts working.
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Feb-11-09 11:16 AM
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49. Wow - Just wow! Thanks!
Great news!

:bounce: :toast: :bounce: :toast: :bounce: :toast: :bounce:
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-11-09 11:20 AM
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50. You guys always seem to piss off the weirdest amongst us...
I didn't know too much about the guy, but some blogs reveal quite a bit about both him and their own biases. Found this excerpt on one blog (http://lamecherry.blogspot.com/2008/08/political-prison... ) advertising dear Larry as a "political prisoner"...


"He was illegally detained like in a Turkish prison in DC, denied his medications like in a Russian gulag by US Marshals, lost in the system like in a Chinese prison in DC and has faced propaganda posted stories like a Nazi kangaroo court coming out of Delaware."

And this except is even better...

"The situation Mr. Sinclair has currently been placed in by the Democratic presidential ticket is they are forcing a disabled person with nerve damage to drive from Duluth, Minnesota to Delaware to be terrorized there in a court trial over a sealed indictment the Delaware Attorney General's Office will not respond to in direct violation of his Constitutional rights of Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness...."


You guys always seem to piss off the weirdest amongst us... :rofl:
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PatGund (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-11-09 01:38 PM
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86. *chuckle*
In addition to the utterly psychotic "Lame Cherry", Sinclair is the darling boy of many of the remaining PUMAs and many of the "Birthers" citizenship conspiracy dingbats. They're going to take this as more evidence of the "conspiracy" against them..... *rolls eyes*
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Feb-11-09 11:28 AM
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52. Fantastic news. Good for you, and good for us!
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WePurrsevere DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-11-09 11:37 AM
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53. Very cool... Congratualtions & thanks to you
and Public Citizen for taking this fight on and to the judge for taking this stand.

:applause:
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peace frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-11-09 11:51 AM
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54. Congrats and well done!
And a huge THANK YOU to Skinner, Paul Levy and the whole DU crew for standing up for one of our own, mzmolly.

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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-11-09 11:55 AM
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55. Mother of my dog! Fine business, indeed!
Makes my day.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-11-09 12:18 PM
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57. DU: 1, Sinclair: 0Updated at 12:01 PM
Talk about pot meet kettle. A person, and I use that word lightly, intends to defame and derail a Presidential candidate with completely unsubstantiated rumor and he files a lawsuit. I'll give Larry a C+ for Chutzpah at least.
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mistertrickster Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-11-09 12:55 PM
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68. My thoughts exactly! The guy posts a scurrilous attack video on Obama and then
cries tears in a courtroom about how "mean people are picking on him"?!

C'mon, CONs. Doesn't your Bible say something about "as ye sow, so shall ye reap."

Get a clue.
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sonias Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Feb-11-09 12:20 PM
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58. Congratulations to all!Updated at 10:54 PM
Thank you Skinner for keeping us posted.

:applause:



Sonia
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-11-09 12:20 PM
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59. A classy set of lawyers you were up against:
Thereafter, in an Order issued on August 14, 2008, the Court denied Sinclair's motion seeking relief under 18 U.S.C. § 3771 against the Department of Justice and directed that the Clerk accept no further filings from Sinclair's then counsel, Montgomery Blair Sibley, who had been suspended from the practice of law.

https://ecf.dcd.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/show_public_doc?20...
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-11-09 12:20 PM
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60. Hats off to you! nt
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RoadRage Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Feb-11-09 12:23 PM
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61. Fantastic! I'm now off to criticize as many You-Tube posters as possible!! NT
:rofl:
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caseycoon (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-11-09 12:28 PM
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62. K&R & YAY! n/t
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Feb-11-09 12:37 PM
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63. I want to thank Skinner for his support in this matter. I can't tell you all whatUpdated at 5:42 PM
Edited on Wed Feb-11-09 01:31 PM by mzmolly
a comfort it was to know that he was willing to fight to protect the membership at Democratic Underground.

:toast: to all involved.

At the risk of sounding narcissistic ... ;) I'd also like to mention some of the internet justice seekers who offered their own brand of support.

THANKS TO THE FOLLOWING ~

First a shout out to Hbee who attempted to inform me via DU that something was up.

The people at The Mitch and Nan Show, now The Regulator who kept me informed and laughing through the stress.

The folks at Death By 1000 Papercuts who, in spite of their Conservative Politics took in interest in truth.

Of course Mr. Paul Levy who is brilliant and gave 1000% IMHO.

To an unnamed attorney who offered help in the beginning in spite of perhaps, not being legally bound to do so.

And, to my special new friends KS and J who, if they read DU will know who they are.

To TrueDelphi for allowing me to quiz her in a bizarre state of paranoia. :pals:

To MaddiesMom and others here who offered support.

And, last but not least, to my friend Liz who took a keen interest in my dilemma and supported me with cyber hugs and humor through it all.

______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Sorry for the poorly worded mumbo jumbo but I've felt the need to openly say "thanks" to many people for quite sometime.

And, to clarify, in spite of any claims to the contrary, I am not, nor have I ever been paid to type a danged thing on the internet.


One last note ~ To the other defendants, whoever you are, I hope that you are at peace today.
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-11-09 01:04 PM
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70. Hugs to you mzmolly.
What a scary situation to be in. I'm glad to hear that DU went to the mat to protect you. And won! I'll have to do a search to see what you said. It must have been a Duzy! :D Larry Sinclair is a hot mess.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Feb-11-09 01:09 PM
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73. Thanks Starry Messenger.Updated at 5:42 PM
I actually posted a Youtube video made by another person with a recap of the content. I was sued for passing along the claims of another party. Where the claims originated, who knows? But after observing scam artists in action for a while now, I have my suspicions. ;)

Sorry if that's cryptic but I have to be cautious going forward. *ehem*
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-11-09 01:18 PM
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80. No problem.
I'm glad it all worked out. I feel safer posting here now.
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hbee (3 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-11-09 01:15 PM
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75. Aaaaand Breathe
mzmolly - I'm thrilled that everything turned out the way it should have. Hope any stress this has caused you will dissipate quickly!
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Feb-11-09 01:24 PM
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82. So nice to see you here Hbee!Updated at 5:42 PM
Edited on Wed Feb-11-09 01:24 PM by mzmolly
Thank you so much once again for your efforts. The stress is indeed moving on. In fact, I enjoyed a toast of bubbly last night in celebration of the ruling. I felt that this chapter was the last to close before I could fully celebrate our new President.

I hope you'll stick around these parts? I'm certain that the rest of DU would also enjoy your gift with words and your sense of humor.

:hi:
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Feb-11-09 03:25 PM
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111. Oops, I forgot to thank the Judge. Thank you Judge Bates!Updated at 5:42 PM
Not that he's an avid reader of DU, but I would surely be remiss not to mention him.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-11-09 04:08 PM
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121. This is just insane and I am so glad for you that it is over
You posted his video and he sued you? Or am I confused?

It also never ceases to amaze me how stupid some people can be.

Anyhow, glad it's over and ended well! :hug:
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Feb-11-09 04:33 PM
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123. Thanks P2B.Updated at 5:42 PM
I actually posted a counter video (produced by another defendant in the case) asserting that he was elsewhere during the original incident in question. The Judge ruled that the information posted was already on the internet, so essentially that's partly why there was not a sufficient case.

Hope that made a lick of sense?

:hi:
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Feb-11-09 06:04 PM
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132. Excellent mzmolly.
:thumbsup:
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demobot (2 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-11-09 07:15 PM
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145. Freedom of Speech
Edited on Wed Feb-11-09 07:16 PM by demobot
mzmolly...I am democratista from M&N and the Regulator. I made "friends" with Paul Levy a while back as I was incensed, annoyed, and just plain sad that this lawsuit was filed. I couldn't just sit and do nothing. I thought about you often and I am bursting with glee about this ruling. It was just chock full of smackdown. Long live free speech!!! (And thank you, Paul Levy)
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Feb-11-09 07:52 PM
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153. Such a pleasureUpdated at 5:42 PM
Edited on Wed Feb-11-09 08:00 PM by mzmolly
to "meet" you democratista!

:hug:

You've always been a favorite contributor of mine on the Mitch and Nan show etc. :hi:

I hope you'll stick around DU so we can chat again?

"Long live free speech" indeed!
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demobot (2 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-11-09 08:18 PM
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158. Back at you
Thanks, mzmolly....

Yes...I'd like to stay. I'm getting a little tired of fighting the lunatic fringe out there. I'm getting quite caught up in listening to the Senate these days. Maybe I can rejoin the world and discuss actual issues.

Hugs to you. You are so close to my heart I can't tell you.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Feb-11-09 08:50 PM
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161. Thank youUpdated at 5:42 PM
kindly. :)
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Pale Blue Dot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-11-09 07:44 PM
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149. Please check your PMs ASAP. nt
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Feb-11-09 07:53 PM
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154. Thanks for the Updated at 5:42 PM
heads up Finfan :hi:
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Earth Bound Misfit Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Feb-12-09 01:02 AM
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171. Good Golly! mzmolly
Err, Congrats!

:toast:
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TTUBatfan2008 (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-11-09 12:37 PM
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64. Great news!
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-11-09 12:44 PM
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66. W00t!
Justice prevails! :fistbump:
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ElboRuum (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-11-09 12:51 PM
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67. Huzzah!
Score one for common fricken' sense!
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Feb-11-09 12:55 PM
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69. This is great news! Congrats, Skinner, Elad, EarlG and mzmolly!
Thanks for standing up for mzmolly and, by extension, all of us! A BIG thanks, as well, to Public Citizen and Paul Levy for taking this on!

Recommended.
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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-11-09 01:06 PM
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71. !!!
:party: :toast:
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-11-09 01:08 PM
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72. So who's this Larry Sinclair wack-job?
And what hole did he crawl out of?
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-11-09 01:13 PM
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74. These are the most colorfully named defendants in a federal case since the last Mafia trial.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Feb-11-09 01:17 PM
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79. We've been compared toUpdated at 5:42 PM
muppets.

I kind of like that comparison.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-11-09 01:32 PM
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84. Congrats on the win.
:thumbsup:

(Although I still want to call you molly ice pick.)
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Feb-11-09 01:35 PM
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85. Oh my,Updated at 5:42 PM
not sure how I earned that nick name but I hope I can smooth the "ice" ?

:hi: Thanks for the congrats.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-11-09 01:16 PM
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77. Larry Sinclair is an @ss.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Feb-11-09 01:17 PM
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78. Is the thread archived? I'd like to see it if anyone has the link.
And congrats to MzMolly and Skinner!
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polmaven Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-11-09 02:15 PM
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93. As would I.
I'll bet that is one WILD thread! Whoop-de-do! This IS still a free country! Whoda thunk it?
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Feb-11-09 04:50 PM
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125. IronicallyUpdated at 5:42 PM
it got but one reply, two if you count my reply to said reply. Not wild in the least. :hi:
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polmaven Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-11-09 10:23 PM
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165. Well, wild or tame...
your ordeal has helped restore faith that we do indeed still live in a free country. Thank you mzmolly, and thank you DU administrators...Thank you one and all......WE ARE STILL AMERICANS!!!! Murikins live no more!

:patriot:
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Feb-11-09 10:58 PM
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167. Honestly,Updated at 5:42 PM
I'm helpful in that I am an example of how NOT to word a post LOL. Remember the words "according to" going forward!

But, I am thankful in the end that free speech prevails. And, if my sloppy wording contributed to that, so be it.

:hi:

Thank you for your kind words Polmaven.
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navarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-11-09 01:45 PM
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87. Where did this clown get the money to sue DU??
THAT is what I would like to know.
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foxfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-11-09 01:57 PM
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89. Congratulations and thanks to all!
:toast: :toast: :toast:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Feb-11-09 01:58 PM
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90. Larry sounds like a real whack job..
I hope the FBI has him on their radar.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-11-09 02:37 PM
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97. He really does. Is it possible to defame someone like that?
I had no idea this was going on.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Feb-11-09 03:19 PM
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109. Levy argued thatUpdated at 5:42 PM
Edited on Wed Feb-11-09 03:37 PM by mzmolly
it was essentially not defamatory to claim that a person was NOT engaging in illegal, lascivious activity. The Judge appeared to agree. See page 7 of the ruling ~ http://www.citizen.org/documents/SinclairMemoOpp.pdf

"Indeed, the irony here is that defendants' alleged statements actually dispute whether Sinclair engaged in the criminal and disreputable acts that he has claimed, hardly the normal fare of a defamatory statement. The statement that Sinclair is a former mental patient, although perhaps defamatory, is most probably not actionable because mzmolly and OWNINGLIARS were simply summarizing and reporting information obtained from another content provider. See 47 U.S.C. § 230(c)(1)."
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-11-09 03:23 PM
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110.  His complaint was partly that you said he didn't commit crimes?
Public Citizen rocks and so did you all. lol :hi:
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Feb-11-09 03:30 PM
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114. Kind of.Updated at 5:42 PM
I posted a Youtube video that someone else made with a recap of where he supposedly was at a given time. I'd rather not repeat the statement but I'll shoot you a PM.
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-11-09 07:13 PM
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144. anonymous eyerolls from me
The old "I may be a low life criminal but i am no liar" defense?

Tell it to Judge Judy.

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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-11-09 02:13 PM
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92. Wonderful news!
Congratulations, Skinner!

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readmoreoften (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-11-09 02:15 PM
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94. Thank you for fighting to keep ourselves private. That's very cool of you!
It's really important.
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Pryderi Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Feb-11-09 02:25 PM
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95. If this jerk posted a youtube vid, doesn't that make him a pulbic figure?
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Feb-11-09 02:40 PM
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99. The Judge ruled that he is a limited public figure.Updated at 5:42 PM
And, this was a matter of contention to my understanding.
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Ikonoklast (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-11-09 02:33 PM
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96. I hope Larry asks his even loonier supporters for tons of dough
to help pay his legal bills.

One born every minute.

Congrats to mzmolly, and DU for sticking up for us, and a tip of the hat to Public Citizen.



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Ferret Mike (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-11-09 02:39 PM
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98. I'm glad this little attention whore got nowhere with his lies.
Hey Larry, get a life. Your stinking the place up did not wash.
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GreenTea (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-11-09 02:42 PM
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100. Well, it certainly makes me want to donate a few bucks to Public Citizen, How about you?Updated at 4:31 PM
Edited on Wed Feb-11-09 03:05 PM by GreenTea
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Feb-11-09 02:46 PM
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101. Indeed!Updated at 5:42 PM
Though the ACLU refused to take the case on my behalf, so if you want to choose one or the other ... ;)
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GreenTea (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-11-09 02:55 PM
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106. I sent donations to both....Updated at 4:31 PM
Edited on Wed Feb-11-09 03:04 PM by GreenTea
The ACLU does such great work, caring & looking out for every-one's civil liberties that may be threatened or abused, the ACLU has done so for many, many years...

Also very happy there's been a comparatively new kid on the block, Public Citizen, supporting & looking after the Internet & free speech.

There's nothing the republicans want more than to control Internet content, just as the republicans own, control & dominate the media, (television & radio).
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Feb-11-09 03:01 PM
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107. Of course.Updated at 5:42 PM
My post was in jest. For the record, I'm a "card carrying member" of the ACLU. ;)
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GreenTea (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-11-09 02:46 PM
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102. Done!Updated at 4:31 PM
Edited on Wed Feb-11-09 02:53 PM by GreenTea


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103. ### SUPPORT DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND ###
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