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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 07:35 AM
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Saudi prince says U.S. ties at risk over Mideast
Source: Reuters

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"A member of Saudi Arabia's royal family warned U.S. President Barack Obama Friday the Middle East peace process and U.S.-Saudi ties were at risk unless Washington changed tack on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Israel had come close to "killing the prospect of peace" with its offensive in Gaza, Prince Turki al-Faisal wrote in an article published on the Financial Times's website.

"Unless the new U.S. administration takes forceful steps to prevent any further suffering and slaughter of Palestinians, the peace process, the U.S.-Saudi relationship and the stability of the region are at risk," said Turki, a former Saudi intelligence chief and former ambassador to the United States and Britain.

About 1,300 Palestinians, many of them civilians, were killed and 5,000 wounded during the 22-day offensive, which ended with a ceasefire Sunday.

Israel said the campaign was designed to root out Hamas militants who fired rockets into the Jewish state. Ten Israeli soldiers and three civilians, hit by cross-border rocket fire, were killed."

Read more: http://uk.reuters.com/article/reutersComService_2_MOLT/idUKTRE50M0XF20090123



Saudi patience is running out (Turki al-Faisal)

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"In my decades as a public servant, I have strongly promoted the Arab-Israeli peace process. During recent months, I argued that the peace plan proposed by Saudi Arabia could be implemented under an Obama administration if the Israelis and Palestinians both accepted difficult compromises. I told my audiences this was worth the energies of the incoming administration for, as the late Indian diplomat Vijaya Lakshmi Nehru Pandit said: “The more we sweat in peace, the less we bleed in war.”

But after Israel launched its bloody attack on Gaza, these pleas for optimism and co-operation now seem a distant memory. In the past weeks, not only have the Israeli Defence Forces murdered more than 1,000 Palestinians, but they have come close to killing the prospect of peace itself. Unless the new US administration takes forceful steps to prevent any further suffering and slaughter of Palestinians, the peace process, the US-Saudi relationship and the stability of the region are at risk.

Prince Saud Al-Faisal, the Saudi foreign minister, told the UN Security Council that if there was no just settlement, “we will turn our backs on you”. King Abdullah spoke for the entire Arab and Muslim world when he said at the Arab summit in Kuwait that although the Arab peace initiative was on the table, it would not remain there for long. Much of the world shares these sentiments and any Arab government that negotiated with the Israelis today would be rightly condemned by its citizens. Two of the four Arab countries that have formal ties to Israel – Qatar and Mauritania – have suspended all relations and Jordan has recalled its ambassador.

America is not innocent in this calamity. Not only has the Bush administration left a sickening legacy in the region – from the death of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis to the humiliation and torture at Abu Ghraib – but it has also, through an arrogant attitude about the butchery in Gaza, contributed to the slaughter of innocents. If the US wants to continue playing a leadership role in the Middle East and keep its strategic alliances intact – especially its “special relationship” with Saudi Arabia – it will have to drastically revise its policies vis a vis Israel and Palestine."

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/65b122b6-e8c0-11dd-a4d0-0000779fd2ac.html
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grannie4peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 07:41 AM
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1. because barack won't kiss him or hold hands!
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 12:21 PM
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14. Right on Dude, those were my first immediate thoughts too
:toast:
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 07:48 AM
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2. Amazing how much damage obama was able to do in a single day [sarcasm]
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Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 08:17 AM
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3. There is a need for brutal honesty with both sides of the Gaza conflict.
We have to be unbiased and impartial enough to tell either side the brutal truth. That's wrong or illegal. It will not be tolerated. We're no longer giving ourselves a free pass on war crimes. We can't do that for Israel or Palestine either. I think the US and Saudi Arabia need to join together in pressing the equality of the sovereignty of Israel and Palestine upon these two states. Palestine needs to deal with these militant rouges that undermine the power of the Palestinian government by firing rockets into Israel. Once Palestine do9es this Israel needs to end their blockades.
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sammym3 Donating Member (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 09:51 AM
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5. Perhaps if the blockades were eliminated the rockets would stop?
Just a thought. Starving, unemployed people think they have little to lose.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 10:01 AM
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7. I tend to agree with you...
I used to be somewhat impartial regarding the Israel/Palestine "question." I might have even been a tad pro-Israel. But now, I see Israel as a rogue state that practices terrorism and guilty of war crimes and crimes against humanity. The sooner we can break all ties with them, the better!
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 11:47 AM
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9. So let them pass freely where? Into ISRAEL?
I am sure you will volunteer to sit on the bus with them?

Why don't we wait and see who's left after Hamas and Fatah finish their cleanup murder spree, okay?
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 12:04 PM
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11. Maybe the Palestinians can sit at the back of the bus, aquart.
And drink out of separately designated water fountains.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 12:09 PM
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12. "I am sure you will volunteer to sit on the bus with them?"
Bist Du bescheuert, MENSCH? Sie stinken zum Himmel! Sie sind ALLE Terroristen!

They want to drive us into the sea. We are FORCED to kill them. Violence is the ONLY THING they understand. They ALL carry knives, ya know! I sure as shootin' DON'T want THEM "passing freely" in MEINE Veedel! G_tteswill!!!

Some EXCELLENT IDEAS can be found here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3703349
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Leftist Agitator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 12:31 PM
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15. As soon as the Palestinians bury the dead innocents that Israel "liberated" from life...
Edited on Fri Jan-23-09 12:54 PM by skypuddle
Then maybe Hamas and Fatah will get back to their "murder spree".

But it's A-OK for ISRAEL to kill innocent people! Killing children is just fine, as long as you do it from a distance, and don't strap a bomb on your person and blow yourself up in the process, right?

Right?

RIGHT???
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The Second Stone Donating Member (603 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 12:32 PM
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16. You are aware that Americans don't ride these buses?
Some of us don't chose to live in places where buses get bombed. I rarely ride a bus as I have a car. So even if people in California did bomb buses, I'd still be safe.

How about if Israel didn't treat these people as less than human, kill them by the hundreds, bulldoze their homes and have them live in a giant ghetto.
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Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 01:29 PM
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18. Why would you legitimize that? That's exactly what it would do.
Then instead of handling disputes and other problems diplomatically. They just run off and start firing rockets into Israel. If only because it worked before. If it ain't broke you don't fix it. We need to say that's wrong because it's illegal. That means it's broke and you need to fix it. We can't take sides and pretend that we are still mediators in this. Theres right and wrong on both sides of this conflict to acknowledge. We need to encourage what is right and discourage what is wrong. Above all other things we need to Keep It Simple Stupid. Issues need to be reduced to simplest terms. Not built up into untenable complexities. It's really that simple.
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Rebellious Republican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 08:19 AM
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4. Remind me again, what peace process was that? N/T
:shrug:
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 10:26 AM
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8. No kidding, there was one?
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 09:54 AM
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6. American "nobody" says US ties at risk over fucking 9-11, Motherfucker!
Fuck you, prince shithead.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 12:03 PM
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10. Obama's statement could have been given by Bush.
No mention at all of the horrible crimes in Gaza or of the systematic takeover of the West Bank that continues to undermine the viability of a Palestinian state.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 12:11 PM
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13. Are you trying to tell me that he said "The Bush administration has left...."
I don't think so....
The Saudi foreign minister putting down a BUsh; I just have a hard time believing it.
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kenfrequed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 01:06 PM
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17. House of Saad, house of Bush.
Seriously this is nonsense and posturing and is only exacerbating things. Where was this monarchistic Wahaabiist peice of dirt during Bush's tenure. Hell what has he actually done to help the Palestinians?

This is a transparant attempt to ratchet up the negative language and put conditional requirements onto a peace process he has NOTHING at all to do with the Saudis. Israels behavoir is bad enough on its own, we do not need our oily ally and the best friends of the Bushies stirring shit up in the mideast.
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RCinBrooklyn Donating Member (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 02:09 PM
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19. I don't want the U.S. to be "friends" with the scum Saudi royal family.
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Purveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 07:18 PM
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20. Thank you for posting... K&R eom
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