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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 10:07 AM
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Don't undo Bush's work, China tells Obama
Source: Reuters

BEIJING (Reuters) - Chinese state media urged new U.S. President Barack Obama not to ignore the "hard-earned progress" in ties made by George W. Bush, even as websites censored inauguration speech references to communism and dissent.

The China Daily praised Bush for laying "a decent foundation for one of the world's most influential relationships", between the United States and China, which it described as a fine bequest.

"After decades of dramatic ups and downs, the once volatile relations are just beginning to show signs of stabilizing," it said in an editorial.

"To many, former President Bush's eight years at the helm of U.S. foreign policies were full of disappointments. The yet-to-be-justified war on Iraq, for one, proves an outstanding discredit to his country and himself. President Obama vowed to put an end to that. Which is correct, and overdue.

Read more: http://uk.reuters.com/article/reutersComService_2_MOLT/...
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 10:09 AM
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1.  China censors Obama speech
Chinese television and websites have censored sections of Barack Obama's inauguration speech, removing references made by the new US president to communism and political dissent.

Obama referred to previous US generations who he said had "faced down communism and fascism" in Tuesday's address to millions in Washington DC and around the world.

He later addressed "those who cling to power through corruption and deceit and the silencing of dissent" saying they were "on the wrong side of history".

But in many Chinese translations of the speech the reference to communism was removed, while the paragraph on "silencing of dissent" was entirely absent.

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia-pacific/2009/01/...
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meow2u3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 06:29 PM
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42. Let me guess how China translated this
Chinese official translation: US generations who "faced down communism and fascism...were on the wrong side of history." Those power-mad Commies must think "those who cling to power through corruption and deceit and the silencing of dissent" are the good guys. No wonder the Chinese government loved Bush so much
:puke:
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 10:09 AM
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2. So in other words, keep bending over for us? nt
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 10:11 AM
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3. This is easier for them than building a giant tunnel through the center of the Earth. n/t
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Tarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 10:13 AM
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4. Kick the fuckers out of the UN, reinstate Taiwan
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 10:13 AM
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5. Highlight of Bush policy with China
http://edition.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/asiapcf/east/04/03/ch...

Yes Bush rolled and let them over walk all over us and then thank them for doing it. Bush, the sell me more lead toys please, president.
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keepCAblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 12:46 PM
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24. lead toys, poisonous pet food, toxic toothpaste, tainted baby formula, spiked food additives...n/t
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 12:52 PM
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25. Apologizing for shooting down one of our planes

Bush's China policy has been one of kowtowing to his Asian masters.
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 02:26 PM
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32. They "attacked" our plane in international air space
then interrogated our personnel, took apart all our equipment, and forced us to humiliatingly take the plane apart piece by piece and carry it out instead of just flying it back out. Can you imagine if Clinton had agree to that what the press would have said!
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 02:45 PM
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34. We were spying on them and there was a crash.
The aircraft was designated a science aircraft while in actuality is was a airborne intercept platform.
Radio waves don't stop at the border. We were using it to capture sensitive high level talks for decryption and analysis.

The Chinese scrambled a fighter and it crashed into the EP-3. The only fatality in the incident was the Chinese pilot.

Of all the thing China has done in the last decade this is likely the most justified.

If Russia was flying a signal intercept craft 100 miles from Washington D.C. do you think we wouldn't scramble some F-22 in airdefense given than would be close enough to launch a nuclear cruise missile?

If as a result there was a collision between the "aggressing" Russian craft and US "defender" and the only fatality was the brave American pilot how do you think US public opinion would view the incident?

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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 03:30 PM
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35. I set the tone of the Bush administration
Which was to agree to whatever China wanted. When you scrabble attack jets and an incident does happen it's generally considered an attack. It is possible that the Chinese were lying about the mid air hit being accidental (you know they do lie at times). I certainly was humiliating to have the flight crew treated the way they were if it was an accident and certainly the out come of the plane and how Buch Co negotiated it's departure was total humiliation for the US. And yes the press would have savage a Democratic president had he acted as meekly as Bush did during the incident. Republicans created freedom fries for a far less perceived slight by the French.
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Grinchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 05:09 PM
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38. Sorry, the P-3 Overflew their territory, and the pilot admitted to that.
The Chinese did exactly the same thing that we would do given that kind of situation, so your attempt to inflame hatred against the Chinese using this incident is pretty weak.

The Military almost immediately went into Cowboy mode when the Bush coup was sompleted, and they got back to there old tricks of poking the Hornet Nest with sticks to see how many bugs came out. This time, a bug hit the windshield and they were forced to land.

Alternatively, the pilots could have ditched the plane in international waters, but he chose to land on one of their islands that just happened to have a Chinese Airbase on it, which is definately a violation of sovereign territory.

If the P-3 was not flying in the area, it never would have happened.
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 10:41 AM
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51. they did not "shoot down" that plane. A clueless,careless Chinese pilot
Edited on Sat Jan-24-09 10:49 AM by ohio2007
flashing handwritten messages to the P3 got to close and crashed into the radome of the Orion. Excellent piloting skills by the navy captain is what kept the machine aloft long enough to bring his damaged plane down safely as opposed to a mid air disaster where dead men tell no tales.

Chinese pilot died.

And what a moron he was. In the meantime, China was brought up to speed on the Cold War protocol play book carried out between US/Soviet intercepts.

The result?
no more incidents as of late;


http://www.airforcetimes.com/news/2009/01/airforce_rapt... /

We will see how Barack handles the Pacific rim rules
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 10:20 AM
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6. That reminds me, has President Obama apologized to China yet?
Bush did so the first time within four months of his first term.

Don't piss off our future masters, Mr. President.
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Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 10:21 AM
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7. I wonder how many Wanmart thugs... I mean CEO's, had dinner with bush in the WH?
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Grinchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 05:57 PM
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39. I wonder how many WanMart thugs... I mean CEO's had dinner with Clinton in the WH?
This is not limited to Bush, which is probably why Bush and Bill were so chummy at the Inaguration.
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DissedByBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 10:24 AM
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8. See, Bush did not piss off every other country
The ones he sold us out to love him.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 10:37 AM
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9. translation...
deficit spending kept our economy afloat. if you start acting responsibly, our gains to become world dominator will fail miserably. Stop talking sensibly and start spending already, so you can begin buying our useless cheap crap again.

end translation.
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 03:53 PM
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36. I believe that is
our toxic useless cheap crap. They're just practicing recycling.
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 10:48 AM
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10. KMA China. Cheap crap, dangerous crap, deadly crap coming from China
bush trying to physically and financially kill us all. Big changes needed.

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winston61 Donating Member (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 11:46 AM
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20. Yeah, it's cheap dangerous crap- but does it
originate with the Chinese or are they just following the customers specifications? When you demand and buy cheap shit, that's what you will get.
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 10:49 AM
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11. Errr.....
Bwahahahahahahahahahahah!!!!!!!
:rofl:
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FightingIrish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 11:03 AM
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12. This devasating Vanity Fair article shows why they loved Bush


"That 2003 resolution was a double win for the Chinese leaders: they obtained valuable political goodwill from the Bush administration, which translated into gains on the Taiwan issues, and they helped to ensure that American troops would remain bogged down in Iraq for a long time.

The Chinese have been brilliant in playing the Bush years. Asia is one part of the world where many will see George Bush in a positive light, although not necessarily for the reasons he may have wished."

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2009/02/bus...

The paragraphs quoted are on Page 10 of the article.
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Phred42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 11:04 AM
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13. PHUCK CHINA!
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cap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 02:16 PM
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30. That's not so simple
you don't bitch slap your banker....

Bill Clinton did a good presentation on how our indebtedness to China puts constraints on our national sovereignty. He was really concerned about a president's freedom to maneuver.

In the latest round of Treasury Auctions, China has come to hold almost 20% of our debt. They also changed the term structure so that they are holding shorter-term maturities. This is strengthening their control on us.

President Obama is going to have a tough time not jerking the Chinese around so much that they throw our economy into economic hardship and balancing his mission of reinvigorating American economy through massive expenditure (funded by the Chinese. It will be the Chinese buying those T-bills funding the national debt) and remaining true to core American values such as human rights. It just aint going to be easy. It's a good thing we have a "No Drama Obama".
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 12:08 AM
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48. China holds US Securities worth 682 billion. Japan = 577 billion, UK = 360 bill.
Edited on Thu Jan-22-09 12:09 AM by Hannah Bell
"Caribbean banking centers," (aka UK/US offshore capital) = 220 billion.

http://www.treas.gov/tic/mfh.txt

US workers hold, via the Social Security Trust Fund, securities worth 2.3 trillion, more than those top 4 debt-holders combined.

*WE* are the gov't's banker.
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infidel dog Donating Member (186 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 11:04 AM
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14. I piss in the mouth of the Chinese government
China has one of the most repressive, plutocratic, flat-out moronic governments on this suffering planet. Sorry if the truth hurts, Beijing. It must be depressing to observe the passing of your friend and admirer Dubya. Now go evict some working people, despoil what remains of your long-ago savaged natural environment, censor the intellect and creativity of your brutalized citizens, and poison a few dogs as an afterthought. I'm sure you'll feel a lot better.
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Hulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 11:20 AM
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15. Who really cares what China thinks Obama should do?
I'm sure there are those that do. I, for one, do NOT. F*ck China and their lead paint toys, their 30 day warranty on Christmas lights, their boat loads of crap and CHEAP contaminated goods being shipped around the world.

When they can compete and produce goods worth the money to ship, when they can concern themselves with the welfare of their workers...THEN, and only then I will give a rat's ass about their export bonanza to the rest of the world.

I, for one, will not buy goods made in China. I'd go without before I put one more piece of cheap, low cost crap in my possession from that plastic pumping, worker exploiting nation of WTO blood sucker.

Hope I don't get deleted for being a "hate monger". Nothing against the Chinese people...only against their repressive government and their pathetically cheap quality goods they are stuffing down the world's throat.

This nation is too ignorant and desperate to know the difference between better prices and cheap garbage.
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Bryn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 12:13 PM
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22. I know what you mean about Christmas Lights
They cost money yet don't last long. Replacing fuses never helped, never worked so why bother? I hate their plastic swifers that cost money here yet break easily. Where do you find stuff made in USA?
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 01:09 PM
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27. thrift shops,charity shops,and online
that`s where i buy all my stuff....

how about a brand new american made hand crank sunbeam ice crusher for 5 dollars. the box was never opened. i also found an american made deep fry that is made out of chrome and cast aluminum --5 dollars.
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 01:10 PM
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29. You really can't even if you do, how do we pay for it with no job?
Vicious circular pattern going on.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 12:29 PM
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55. My wife's boss went to Staples to buy her a desk for her office
and every last one was made in China, so he left deskless. Flea market time, I guess.
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Pale Blue Dot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 02:22 PM
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31. Who do you think will be financing our "stimulus"?
We certainly don't have the money here.
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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 11:26 AM
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16. Translation: "please let us keep selling you
dangerous crap."
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47of74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 11:30 AM
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17. Me to the Chinese Government: Go pound sand
And I hope President Obama echoes that sentiment.
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Winterblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 11:30 AM
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18. Just what did The "Torture pResident" promise the Chinese to get our
people back from the spy plane incident early in his first term?
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Castleman Donating Member (166 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 11:42 AM
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19. Excuse me, but "Undoing Bush's Work"
is THE MAIN REASON WE ELECTED HIM INSTEAD OF THE DERANGED FOSSIL!!!!!
Sorry, China, our leader now cares about each and every American, not just the ones in the high, high tax brackets who do business with you. We've got to get this house in order, and if it hurts your profits? Too fucking bad. Why don't you eat some contaminated milk powder and go chew on a lead painted toy? I wouldn't mind seeing the Premier of China die of melamine poisoning.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 12:02 PM
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21. More cheap and shoddy trash from China
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 12:14 PM
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23. I missed it..
I had no idea that there was a reference to China in the speech.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 01:03 PM
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26. china is afraid obama will not follow bush`s policies of......
selling our country to the chinese industrialists and the chinese communist party....cry me a fucking river
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CharmCity Donating Member (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 01:09 PM
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28. Papa Bush's PR attempt for W
He used to be the US Ambassador to China.
We'll probably also get a shout out from Saudi Arabia and Kuwait.
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Veritas_et_Aequitas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 02:36 PM
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33. Oh, stuff it, China.
You need us as much as we need you.
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acsmith Donating Member (131 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 04:04 PM
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37. sorry to bring you guys back to reality.
China currently owns the US. Who do you think is buying all those treasury bills that your government is auctioning? Yes, those auctions are being used to fund all the bailouts that Bush has started and Obama looks like continuing.

If at the next T-bill auction china didn't take on a nice 20% tranche of debt the auction would go unsold. If that happens confidence in the US dollar will weaken further and the citizens of the US will realize what the Chinese already know: the US is insolvent.

I think before bashing Chinese exports in such a pathetic manner (you suckers bought the crap they were selling), some posters on this thread should realize where the power lyes in the US-china relationship. Also, you might want to think of is why exactly China would recycle their huge trade surplus back into US treasuries?

The only option that Obama has is to spark a world trade war with China as this is the only way to get the dragon off the back of the US. It is a big gamble and if the US (and allies like the EU) loose then we will taste again what real poverty is like.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 12:21 AM
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49. China in no way "owns" the US. China holds 682 billion in US securities.
The UK, Japan & "caribbean banking centers, i.e. us/uk offshore financiers" together hold 1.157 trillion.

US workers hold 2.3 trillion of US securities in the Social Security Trust Fund alone,more than all of the above combined.

Borrowings from surplus Social Security taxes alone nearly equaled China's "lending" (which isn't quite what it seems, either.).

http://www.treas.gov/tic/mfh.txt
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meow2u3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 06:24 PM
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40. meow2u3 to China: Obama called; he wants the Twin Towers evidence back
Edited on Wed Jan-21-09 06:25 PM by meow2u3
:evilgrin:
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 06:25 PM
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41. What work, nap time?
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FarLeftRage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 07:21 PM
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43. Hey china...
Go FUCK yourselves!!!

The paper tiger that you are, should mind your own business!!
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Ecumenist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 09:07 PM
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44. Fuck China...take care of your own problems....
Let us clean up the mess your "buddy" left here.
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musette_sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 09:15 PM
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45. so sorry, China,
but the idjit son of the former Envoy To China doesn't work here anymore.
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ChromeFoundry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 09:23 PM
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46. What's gonna happens when we piss off our money supply?
Great job George! :sarcasm:

Thank God he can't fuck up any more shit!
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BanTheGOP Donating Member (596 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 11:16 PM
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47. The Trouble with China...
...is NOT that they aren't being politically responsible. Socialism, even Communism done correctly is not a bad thing, as we strive for global progressive tenets. The bastardization occurs when the corrupt element of the Chinese Government engages in US republican party style capitalistic class warfare. We erroneously assign the blame to the system of socialist government, when in reality it is the republicanist/capitalist elements of the Chinese oligarchy which are at fault.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 12:28 AM
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50. Oh fuck you China! You may think you own us but in reality you don't!
Possession is 9/10's of the law!
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 11:00 AM
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52. Bush was anti-American and China loved to watch the US to be trashed!
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Flagg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 11:55 AM
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53. The Chinse don't want partners
They want servants.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 12:26 PM
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54. Yes, what will we do with all this lead paint and poison dog food
if you reverse Smirk's policies?
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 07:16 PM
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56. Suck it China...nt
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BulletproofLandshark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 07:20 PM
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57. Whatever China tells our leaders to do, they should just do the opposite.
Fuck those poisoned food peddling assclowns.
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