Prince (Harry) mocks gays and Asians in secret video

[kskiska]

Source: The Guardian

'Paki' jibe set to infuriate army chiefs aiming to recruit Muslims into forces

A secret video showing Prince Harry making racist remarks and mocking his grandmother has been discovered.

The prince, who is third in line to the throne, made the comments in footage shot while training as an officer at the Sandhurst military academy in 2006, a year after being forced to make a public apology for wearing a Nazi swastika at a fancy dress party.

In the film, the 24-year-old prince calls an officer from the Pakistani army, who was on the course with him, "our little Paki friend" and, when he sees another officer cadet wearing a camouflage veil, exclaims: "Fuck me, you look like a raghead." He also mocks the Queen - the commander-in-chief of the British army - during a pretend mobile phone call.

Last night, St James's Palace issued an apology for Harry's behaviour in the film, obtained by the News of the World. A Ministry of Defence spokesman said last night: "This sort of language is not acceptable in a modern army."

The Equality and Human Rights Commission has demanded a formal inquiry into Harry's behaviour, and Muslim groups and leading MPs have warned the comments could increase tensions with Islamic groups in the UK.

Read more: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/jan/11/monarchy-race

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[sakabatou]

3. Maybe he's just a plain asshole.

[Wizard777]

55. We have a right to be an asshole if we want to. Why shouldn't Harry also enjoy this basic freedom?

[PittPoliSci]

81. i agree that you have a right to be an asshole. BUT...

you do not get that right when you are in the army, not when it comes at the cost of deteriorating morale.

[Wizard777]

84. Harry's humor is deprecating and at times self deprecating. Morale didn't seem to be suffering any.

The laughter tends to prove that he was elevating morale. I see it as Harry trying to show his comrades that despite his high position. He's really not any different than they are. He'll bleed just like they do and that blood isn't blue until after the PR Department Photo shops it. I mean really, what potential Head of State fields questions on the color of his pubes? I think he was endearing himself to his men and they would gladly fight more fiercely or give their life for him. Nobody likes a stuffed shirt. Harry not only seems very likable. But also very well liked. It not only shows a close relationship with his men. But a great trust of them as well. http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=PQeISYNmbfc"> This is just Parr for Harry's course. Naughty naughty Harry.

[flvegan]

2. Precious little Prince Douchebag.

Glad my ancestors made it so I'd never be under your rule, you cock.

[Bobbieo]

8. Again, some of our idols have clay feet!!!

[No Elephants]

34. Some?

[BattyDem]

4. What an ass!

:eyes:

[MrModerate]

5. The British monarchy, not noted as mental giants . . .

seems to be shrinking with each generation. Maybe it's because they have nothing to do and aren't even as useful as a third-rate PR firm?

Royalists please note: the US has at least as many silly traditions/icons, and I eagerly invite your trashing of them.

[BlooInBloo]

6. I assume no-one is surprised by this....

We all know the "it's just a few bad apples" theory is a complete lie, after all.

[musette_sf]

7. though he looks nothing like grandpa Phillip

he certainly does take after him.

http://www.aardvarkmap.net/getamap-examples/examples-prince-phillip-gaffes.htm

[Bobbieo]

15. Are Philip and George W related?

[MADem]

18. W is related to Queenie, actually. NT

[applejuice]

43. I was thinking exactly the same thing!

Philip is always doing stuff like this.

Harry has always come across as a little a-hole. William has always come across as kinder. Maybe he takes after his mom's side a little more than his brother.

[Darth_Kitten]

65. William is always too drunk to give a damn........

n/t

[Richard Steele]

9. Wow, telling a child that his bloodline makes him SPECIAL can make him RACIST....l

Gee, who knew? :sarcasm:

Y'know what?
I'm not gonna waste time saying "Fuck Prince Harry",
because he's not the problem.

He's just an overpriveledged little douchebag
with more million$ than IQ points, and he's hardly
the only member of that "special" class.
His lameassed douchebaggish racism isn't the PROBLEM,
it's a SYMPTOM of the problem...and it's a symptom
that he has been TAUGHT from birth.

The REAL problem is the folks who address him as "Prince".
And the other folks who treat him like a Prince.

The folks who PRETEND they have a tiny Democracy built on
the rubble of a once-great World Empire, but who still
allow their LAWS to be created by the chinless byproducted spawn
of 1100 years worth of INBREDING.

Yeah, that's right: THOSE folks- y'all know the ones I mean.

[Book Lover]

22. 'The REAL problem is the folks who address him as "Prince".'

Nail. Head. Strike.

Spot on. Humanity's problems will never be solved until we learn to not fucking bend at the knees.

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[LeftishBrit]

38. We don't let them make the laws.

That went out years ago.

[Richard Steele]

41. Yeah, you keep telling yourself that, if that's what it takes to sleep at night.

You don't let them make the laws,
George W. Bush was elected twice,
and Santa Clause brings all the Christmas presents.

[Le Taz Hot]

53. Correction:

George Bush was not elected twice. The first time the Supremes installed him, the second time he got there by cheating -- see Ohio.

[surrealAmerican]

100. I'm sorry, but I will never get used to people here calling ...

... them "the Supremes". I just keep picturing them with those up-dos and synchronized moves, and it isn't a pretty sight.

[Richard Steele]

102. So you admit that I'm right, and that you don't recognize sarcasm.

Sucks to be you, ROCKS to be me.

[Jamastiene]

10. What a little prick. n/t

[MilesColtrane]

11. We are not amused.

...you little, royal shitstain.

[Zavulon]

12. As if I needed another reason to doubt the use for a Royal Family,

we've got this fucking asshole.

I'm not religious at all, but if I were I'd be praying for the health of the two people ahead of him in line for the throne and that they're not nearly the shitbags that this guy is.

[WhiteTara]

13. he wore a swastika tied around

his arm as "halloween costume" a few years ago

[NOW tense]

14. I had to watch the video

I thought maybe when reading this that he had some really dry British humor. I was wrong he sucks.

[MADem]

17. Was there a link to it in that article? I musta missed it!

I'm not finding it--do you have a link for the link-impaired?

[NOW tense]

19. Link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsJKsy0MNUg

Oh I made it through a little bit and made my judgment early on.

[MADem]

24. Thanks a lot--I'll give it a look! Appreciate your finding this for me. NT

[MADem]

16. The description of the tape in that article does sound pretty ghastly.

However--and I'm not defending the guy--the thing that is absent is context. I think seeing the video might provide that. I've known servicemembers who call each other what seems to outsiders to be incredibly offensive names, but they're meant affectionately and no offense is taken. For all we know, and we don't know, Ahmed "our little Paki friend" could call Harry "You Inbred Royal Arsehole" as a term of endearment. It's maybe not the most likely thing, but it's possible. After all, if his battle pals can talk about his Royal Pubes, I imagine they can talk about pretty much anything.

I do think "Give my love to the corgis" was pretty funny, actually. The other comments were rather crude.

I'd love to know who "discovered" the tape that "has been discovered."

Someone had to swipe the thing, or make a copy. It's three years old, almost, a private tape that HE made....so someone's clearly looking to stick it to the guy, or maybe make a buck off selling the thing.

[Bobbieo]

21. If Charles is first to the throne, and Harry is third- who is second?

Diana's other son - What's his name? Can't keep tracks of 'them royals'.

[Sultana]

23. William

[MADem]

25. William, who may marry KATE soon.... nt

[No Elephants]

32. I cannot think of a context that would fix this, unless maybe someone had a loaded gun to his head.

[MADem]

71. Military units often speak crudely. They use racial and homophobic

epithets, and they're not subtle about it, either. The context is that they sometimes use them in the same ways that the "N" word is bandied about-- in an affectionate, not angry, manner.

I'm not going to spend my day defending Harry. He can speak for himself. All I can say, though, is that context is absent to some extent. We don't know if Ahmed and Harry were friends (and that WOULD make a difference, wouldn't it?), and that comment was in the context of sustained teasing that had a back-n-forth element to it, we don't know who is gay, and who isn't (gays can serve openly in the UK military) and if it was the fellow that Harry was making the homophobic snark about who was asking about the color of his pubic hair (again, context would make a difference) and we don't know anything about the day-to-day interactions of that unit and how they relate to one another.

If you're looking for "Politically Correct" language from military units, you're just not going to get it. That nastiness and bravado are a method they use to cover uncertainty and fear.


Don't shoot the messenger.

[tabasco]

97. You've been watching too much tv.

Doesn't sound like the units I was in.

Of course, I did train with the British on a couple occasions and they do seem to be unrepentant assholes.

Probably why they fucked things up in Basra so badly.

[MADem]

108. It does sound like the ones I was in.

For a full career which provides me a nice check on the first of every month. With a number of NATO and other foreign national integration assignments under my belt as well.

I rarely watch TV. There's nothing good on.

I'm not making the guy's apologies, as I indicated. I'm merely trying to add a little context. There are occasions--like maybe when NEWS OF THE (fucking) WORLD is providing the edited video--when one's lying eyes CAN, in fact, deceive one.

That's my only point.

[Sultana]

20. Oh, wow, I am not surprised

How will they discipline him this time?


:eyes:

[Journeyman]

26. Ah, if only his parents had taken the advice of we Irish rowdies on the side of the road. . .

as the wedding party passed by, we showed the level of our respect and our hopes for their futures as we saluted them with a special cheer:

"Up Chuck and Di! Up Chuck and Di!"

Ah, had they only taken our wishes to heart, the world would be shy at least one less snotty racist.

[Hugabear]

27. Isn't that precious. A homophobic racist nazi future king.

Hail King Fucktard.

[LeftishBrit]

39. He is unlikely to be the future king

His brother William is ahead of him in the line.

In any case, the royals don't have any political power nowadays. They just get lots of money from the taxpayers, and bring in a lot of money from the tourists.

[moggie]

49. I wonder how many tourists?

How many tourists come specifically because of the current royals? Hampton Court is a popular tourist attraction, and it hasn't been a royal palace for a long time. The Palace of Versailles is one of France's top tourist spots.

[MADem]

72. If William's soon-to-be fiance produces the old heir and a spare, he's off the hook.

There are two in line in front of him, so far. He's unlikely to get the job.

I'm sure he's hoping to get out of the limelight sooner rather than later.

[gauguin57]

28. Too bad ... and one of the few of the overpaid, spoiled royals who was actually trying to do a job

of some sort.

The Brits should throw these overpaid circus monkeys out on their keisters and make them work for a friggin' living. Every time the Queen asks for a pay raise for the job of trotting around with a crown on her head, cutting ribbons and staring into space, I want to scream.

Hey, British people ... instead of freaking out over little racist Harry, why don't you fire the whole lot of them and give the bazillion pounds you'll save to the poor? Storm the castle! Liberate the Bastille! Vive la France! (oops ... wrong revolution!)

[Divine Discontent]

46. she actually asks for pay raises? wow... that's pretty warped, isn't it! eom

[MADem]

110. Our "Royalty"--the Congress of the United States--asks for, and gets, a big one every year. NT

[Phillycat]

105. Ridiculous. You have no idea what you're talking about.

The Royals bring millions of dollars of tourist revenue into the country every year. What they cost the country is a tiny fraction of what they bring in.

And I actually LIVE in the U.K., so I DO know what I'm talking about.

[DallasNE]

29. Princess Di Is Turning Over In Her Grave

It seem like she was the only decent one in the Royal family so of course she had to go. We know the Royals were early supports of Hitler -- until he turned on them, that is.

[No Elephants]

33. So was Prescott Bush, but that did not stop us from electing two of his descendants President.

[dipsydoodle]

44. Yes - I hear she's in heaven now

wearing a Mercedes steering wheel as a halo.

[democrank]

30. Prince Harry`s ignorance is showing....

again.

[truthisfreedom]

35. Stop!

He's still a kid. Imagine growing up with constant scrutiny. He has no relief valve, no built-in safety.

Let him alone. If bush was allowed to have "youthful indiscretions" until he was 40, at least let this kid alone.

[moggie]

37. 24 years old is a kid?

And I don't know about you, but my "relief valve" doesn't involve racism. If you don't have racist views, you don't say racist things, even when letting off steam. This is a guy who may one day be the symbolic leader of a multi-racial country, in fact the head of the entire Commonwealth, nearly two billion people spanning the whole globe. He'd better shape up if he wants to be fit for that role - assuming we don't kick the bums out first.

[LeftishBrit]

40. He isn't a kid.

And we pay his family a lot of money basically for the PR job they do for us. They don't have any power; their only role is to bring in the tourists and to represent our country abroad. If they can't do the job properly, then they don't deserve the money.

Liz herself, though hardly Brain of Britain, does her job; but many of the younger set don't. (Though it must be said that Harry is serving in the military, which I am sure the younger Bushes would never do!)

[John Q. Citizen]

75. Naw, they should exile him to the Falklins and make him raise sheep!

[harmonicon]

36. end the monarchy

They can even keep their stuff - just tax them on it. Some super rich little jerk making these comments would go unnoticed, but they become news because he's a "prince", which really just means he's the richest of the rich and officially doesn't have to pay any taxes.

[Joanne98]

42. We need another French Revolution!

[liberal1973]

45. Prince douche bag

Prince douche bag is more like it.

Couldn't some guy in their military sort of frag him/snark.

Really how England is so weak with these people. Thank you American Revolution.:bounce:

[T_i_B]

47. Ah, Prince Harry

He's fast becoming the greatest asset the republican cause has in the UK.

Funnily enough, the most effective argument the royalist cause has had for a while is raising up the spectre of a "President Blair". Mind you, you could say the same thing about the spectre of a "President Cameron" really.

[moggie]

50. I've never found that an effective argument

The obvious counters to the "President Blair" argument are "for how long?", or "only if a majority want that". Or, alternatively, "President Stephen Fry".

[dipsydoodle]

48. Odd really

that there are currently no other important events occuring elsewhere in the world at present. :sarcasm:

[Aviation Pro]

51. Greetings from Drogheda, Ireland....

...I've enjoyed a fine week here, downed a couple of pints of the fine, black stuff, sampled the local fare, met Bono (not) and was exposed to all four of the videos. In a couple of words let me tell you my impression:

Much fucking ado about fucking nothing.

This was simply Lieutenant Wales in the middle of a deployment and getting his squadron ready for a patrol and he used language that was mild compared to what I used when I was in his position.

As always, those who've never served in a combat arms unit have no idea what the fuck they are talking about. Oh, by the way, I never hear any great hue and outcry, sturm und drang or sound and fury about what the other side calls us.

[BooScout]

69. They aren't interested....

Nor or they interested that the video is 3 years old and the guy he used those terms on was a friend of his in the unit. While I personally don't care for such slang names.......I get the feeling mates in an army unit during a deployment say a lot of things that would shock people back home.

[MADem]

113. It's way easier to get worked up in a lather based on incomplete information.

The POUTRAGE must be cathartic, or something.

I think they should work as hard on finding out who swiped the video and copied it and sold it...myself. We know that NOTW pays for that kind of crap, and it would be interesting, too, to know who the little Iscariot is and why he felt compelled to sell this kid down the river.

[MADem]

112. I have to agree with you.

These NEWS OF THE WORLD people certainly know how to edit for effect.

I did find "Give my love to the corgis...God Save You, ya..." completely hilarious.

[Le Taz Hot]

52. This is what I don't understand,

OK, the insensitive spoiled little rich kid made some unacceptable comments, but what's up with this: ". . .Muslim groups and leading MPs have warned the comments could increase tensions with Islamic groups in the UK." Why? Because some little royal idiot shot his mouth off IN A PRIVATE MOMENT?

[Deja Q]

56. Well, people can be sensitive...

Prince Harry is part of the Royal Family. While "guilt by association" is illogical, it happens. I doubt his parents taught him to be that way; I'd wager Harry's peer group that soured his milk.

After all, many 9/11 hijackers were Saudi and everybody started thinking the Saudi government was behind OBL. (You know, the OBL who was exiled from Saudi Arabia...)

[NashVegas]

59. That Royal Little Dipshit

Lives off of the taxes provided by all the immigrants in the UK, as well as the others.

The kid is off the rails - he's a little W. in the making, maybe worse. I'll be the nationalists over there just love him to death.

[Lost-in-FL]

60. Aren't those the same who...

rioted over drawings?

[LostinVA]

64. He's a Royal AND an Officer in the British military

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

92. The non-apology apology from people who weren't spoiled rich kids...

would probably also lead to anger.

"We're sorry if anybody was offended."

"When he was talking about "ragheads," he didn't mean all "ragheads" just the bad ones."

[Deja Q]

54. What a real piece of work. And his language is not acceptable in a developed society.

A flamer indeed, Harry needs to be muzzled. And God save the Queen, or at least allow her to spank the little chavish brat...

[marshall]

57. I imagine we're all assholes from time to time

In the privacy of his own life he ought to be allowed to say the things he wants to say. Shame on his supposed friend who posted the video. He or she is no better than Linda Tripp duping poor Monica into spilling her secrets.

[moggie]

63. What you say in private reflects what you really think

I suppose I'll sometimes say things in private which I wouldn't say in public, but I can honestly say I've never used the words "Paki"* or "raghead" in private, because I don't think someone's race is a valid reason for disparagement. Are you suggesting that it's ok to be racist, as long as you keep it secret?

* Since I think I've seen DUers use the word "Paki" on occasion, I suspect there's a difference in how it's perceived on each side of the Atlantic. In the UK, it's a term of abuse approximately as offensive as "nigger": definitely not a word which a white person can expect to use without inviting negative comment.

[treestar]

68. Paki may not be offensive

I heard Pakistanians use it. It fits with the "stans." An Uzbeck from Uzbeckistan, an Afghan from Afghanisan, etc.

[LeftishBrit]

73. In the UK it is a common term of abuse for those of Asian origin

Those who use it tend not to be careful ethnographic researchers, shall we say, and it's used not just for those actually from Pakistan, but for Indians, Bangladeshis, and British people of Asian descent.

It's akin to using the N-word.

[treestar]

83. OK, interesting

Words become different in different places over different times.

Is Harry sort of dumb? I mean, allowing this to be videotaped, knowing who he is. One would think his training and upbringing would have been such as to avoid this - both as to the saying of it and the taping of it!

[marshall]

70. I don't think it's up to us to tell people they can't be racist

It's up to us to tell people they can't let their racist views impact public policy or somebody else's life. But I don't think we should round people up like we're living in a dystopian novel and make them suffer because we've spied into their private thoughts and discovered an attitude that isn't consistent with the common good.

That's why I compare it to the Linda Tripp thing. She uncovered some pretty unsavory things, some things that on a personal level were somewhat hypocritical--but in the larger scheme of things who was hurt by it? Some things should just remain private. When Harry is out there beating up Muslims in the streets of London or going on BBC calling for another crusade then I'll sit up and take notice. Until then home movies like this don't really mean anything.

[Neshanic]

58. "Fuck me, you look like a raghead". Link to Harry as older royal...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYLE40bjwxM

[Mike Nelson]

61. As a "Royal", he defines Racism...

...by saying nothing.

[fascisthunter]

62. so he needs to mock people to feel better about himself

says a lot about himself...

[PfcHammer]

66. The oughta take this inbred

German(not English) toolbag and send him to the frontline
for attitude adjustment.

[Stellabella]

67. I have to think Diana's death played a part in this.

That family is so repressed and insular. She exposed those boys to the real world, taking them to homeless shelters and to the bedsides of people dying of AIDS. She died when he was only 12, a very vulnerable age. And then it was just cold Charles and the rest of that ice family to raise him.

For Pete's sake, his grandmother forbid anyone to say Diana's name in front of her. The morning after Diana's death the boys were forced to go to church where there wasn't one word spoken of their mother's death because of Elizabeth's paranoia. They were so confused they weren't sure she was dead.

He certainly needs to take responsibility for this, because he's an adult now. But I think he's pretty messed up, and the royals don't think much of psychiatry. You're supposed to pull yourself together. Tell that to a 12 year old whose mother was just killed.

[MillieJo]

86. I am actually amazed he hasn't gone further of the rails..

But going into The Army, may have stopped him getting too deep into drink and drugs. I actually think
Charles did a pretty good job with him, he isn't that cold, Prince Philip did lots to help them both too. The Queen is another matter as she has her own issues and didn't appear to be a comfortable mother. She is very rigid in her duties, she has a form of OCD.
Though William and Harry also were at boarding school for most of the year too. I don't think many people would be alright when aged 12, they walked behind their Mother's coffin with the whole world watching. They haven't had their mother's character ripped apart and very public enquiry, they haven't had their people cash in on their Mother while the ghostwrite books and them. And they haven't lost their mother so publically and had to deal with in fighting with their families, the sleezy headlines and lies written about them in the press. Harry can't behave like a normal 24 year old and just have fun, get drunk, go clubbing etc without the press.
If he complains about the press they attack him. Both William and Harry were photographed all the time since the day they left hospital, though they would get upset and Princess Diana would try and shield them.
The British Press are waiting for him to slip up, so they can sell papers and hound him and this time he is in trouble, however, remember it was a private video that someone put out their for the media to find.

[Stellabella]

90. Yes, I agree.

The whole thing is just a crying shame.

[John Q. Citizen]

74. Prince Harry needs to be deposed .

[tabasco]

76. Any nation that maintains a "royalty" outside of their museums is idiotic.

The British need to do away with the wastrels.

Just like we need to do away with our useless class of billionaire CEOs and criminals like Bush.

[originalpckelly]

77. I volunteer to help Harry make amends with the gay community,

He can make up to the gay community one gay man at a time, and I'll volunteer to be the first.

[originalpckelly]

79. (His pubes are ginger too!) Video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Fd9OPzy50c

[RCinBrooklyn]

78. He's a kid. I didn't see any intention to hurt anyone in his words. Just poorly chosen phrases.

[Solon]

80. He's fucking 24 years old, he's NOT a kid...

He's not 10 or anything, he's an adult, and should act like one.

[RCinBrooklyn]

91. Go take an anger management class.

[LostinVA]

95. He's an Officer in the British military

[Anarcho-Socialist]

82. When the idiots in the royal family open their mouths

the case for a British republic is made.

[MillieJo]

85. I expect Harry will have the fucking riot act read to him..

by his Father and in big trouble with his Grandmother too, for whom International diplomacy, dignified behaviour in public and
a good public image are very, very important.

[Nihil]

87. Hysterical!

(Reading this thread I mean, not the original event of 3 years ago)

We've got everyone from the die-hard republicans through to the
St.Diana mourners joining in with this little storm in a teacup.

And yet, with all this faux-PC bullshit so far, not ONE person has
raised the far more important issue that greatly overshadows what
"the little prince" said:
Harry, all of the others in his unit (including "Raghead" and his
"little Paki friend") and every other active service soldier out
there are being actively trained to KILL the inhabitants of foreign
countries. In this case it is for no reason other than to protect
the oil/gas industry and the CIA's drug cartels.

How come this is just dismissed, ignored and over-looked?

How is it that the offensive language of some gung-ho junior officer
three years ago is so much more important than the fact that he and
his men are tasked with killing people?

Sense of values anyone?
:eyes:

[Boudica the Lyoness]

88. The whole lot of you knocking Harry make me sick.

He's as funny as hell in this vid. You jump all over him for saying words like rag head and paki and while doing it YOU call him every dirty name you can think of. You also use it as an excuse to rattle on about the fucking American revolution and how fucked up you think the royal family is.
He's in the military, he's handsome, witty and admits he has ginger pubes.
Seems to me he's a really good leader and can relate to his men very well.

[LostinVA]

96. He's as offensive as hell in this video

[Boudica the Lyoness]

98. This thread is as offensive as hell.

So far on this thread Prince Harry been called;

Asshole
Douche-bag
Ass
Little Prick
Royal Shitstain
Fucking Asshole
Dipshit
Fucktard

The Royal family have been referred to as circus monkeys, who should be over thrown. There was a request for Prince Harry to be fragged. The anger is not only over the fact he's a British Military officer having a bit of a rude laugh with the blokes, but that he's a Prince.

I see some irony here because this is DU and we're supposed to be liberal and all that. Look at it this way: Just like a gay person or a person of color, Prince Harry cannot change the way he was born. He was born into the Royal family. And please note that he's earning his keep. The people on this thread are not acting like very tolerant liberals at all. He didn't ask or choose to be born Royal no more than a Pakistani choose to be born a Pakistani.

It's clear to me there's hatred for the Royals here and that makes it perfectly Ok to call a member of the British Royal family any nasty name a person can think of, yet saying the word Paki or raghead is a big no no. I see hypocrisy in this. If people are truly offended by name calling, then why do the same?

I don't think anyone here even mentioned that it's not nice to want someone to be fragged just for being born a Prince.

I do not think for one moment he's a racist. He seems like a good leader who also knows how to make those around him laugh. The vid made me laugh, so I guess that makes me a racist. Am I right?

I have been a member of DU from the start and I am disturbed by the on going general dislike for the English and also the Royal family. A fellow DU member of Irish decent threaten to break my knee caps for just being English.

I'm very proud of my Queen and country. Long live the Queen! (And Prince Harry, ginger pubes and all).

[Agent William]

101. I wholeheartedly agree.....

I'm tired of people accusing me of being racist for a few passing words... When in fact I'm NOT.

It sounded like Harry was making jokes with his friends, nothing more of it.

And the bright side for all the haters out there, Harry will more likely than not, never be king.

:hi:

[LostinVA]

104. "I'm tired of people accusing me of being racist for a few passing words."

If you use bigoted language, you ARE a bigot.

[Agent William]

117. Wow, ok.

Words that I use, especially when I don't imply hate, does not mean that I'm a bigot. Now if were to use racial slurs AND have hate in my heart THEN I would be a bigot. I guess what I saying is one needs to have hatred in their heart to be a true resist/bigot. Words are used differently by different people, and just because I'm not politically correct one-hundred percent of the time, that doesn't mean I have hate in me. Prince Harry was not speaking out of hate, therefore he is not a bigot. Case closed.

P.s. Only the Sith thing in absolutes.

(RE. your either with us or against us.)

[Agent William]

118. Wow, ok.

Words that I use, especially when I don't imply hate, does not mean that I'm a bigot. Now if were to use racial slurs AND have hate in my heart THEN I would be a bigot. I guess what I saying is one needs to have hatred in their heart to be a true resist/bigot. Words are used differently by different people, and just because I'm not politically correct one-hundred percent of the time, that doesn't mean I have hate in me. Prince Harry was not speaking out of hate, therefore he is not a bigot. Case closed.

P.s. Only the Sith think in absolutes.

(RECALL. your either with us or against us.---GWB)

[LostinVA]

103. No, what he said was offensive as Hell

I admire teh Queen and many of the other Royals. I give Harry props for actually working. But, Harry is as much of a bigot as hid grandfather, who has been an embarrassment to Her Majesty. Harry is a British Officer. He should be decommed for this.

[Boudica the Lyoness]

114. Is this vid all you have against him?

If this vid (that was made for a lark) is a all the evidence you have that Harry is a bigot, then according to that I am a bigot as well.

My Oxford dictionary says a bigot is 'a person who is prejudiced and is intolerant towards those who disagree'.

I don't think being stupid enough to make a video with the blokes and using words like rag head and Paki qualify a person as a bigot.

If I saw a video of Harry saying how much he hated the above mentioned people and how they should hurt or held back in someway then I would be furious and I would consider him a bigot. Harry is a twit, not a bigot.

[Phillycat]

106. I disagree.

It's obvious he's joking. Most military personnel talk to each other in private like this.

[nini]

116. "an excuse to rattle on about the fucking American revolution "

hahahha... We won.. you didn't - get over it - at least try when you're not thinking about his 'ginger pubes' :eyes:

[Nye Bevan]

89. I wonder why "Paki" is considered racist

After all, it is just the first 4 letters of the proper name of the country of origin.

Just like "Brit" for British person.

So who decided that "Paki" is highly offensive but "Brit" is friendly? Is there a committee somewhere that rules on stuff like this?

[muriel_volestrangler]

94. It's the way it's been used

In the 70s, it was far too often preceded by 'fucking' and succeeded by 'bastard'. When racists tended to use it for anyone from the whole of the Indian sub-continent, ie anyone with certain skin colours and looks, its use was mainly racist.

2 dictionary entries:

Paki noun (Pakis) offensive Brit slang a a Pakistani; b loosely someone from any part of the Indian subcontinent. Also as adj.
ETYMOLOGY: 1960s.

http://www.chambersharrap.co.uk/chambers/features/chref/chref.py/main?query=paki&title=21st&sourceid=Mozilla-search

Paki, n. and adj.

slang (usu. derogatory and offensive). orig. and chiefly Brit.

A. n. A person of Pakistani (also more generally, South Asian) birth or descent, esp. one living in Britain. Also in extended use.
B. adj. (attrib.). Pakistani; (also more generally) South Asian.

Oxford English Dictionary

[MADem]

109. Goes back to the days of "Paki-Bashing" which used to be a thug sport in the UK

When the southwest asian community was smaller, dumb bullies would beat the shit out of some poor victim, and that was the name they used for the activity.

"Jap" and "Nip" are the first three for Japan and Nippon, and it's the same deal. A lot of Brits did not, at least during the Great Wars, particularly love "Brit," either, oddly enough, and they retaliated with "Yank." It didn't quite have the same insulting effect, those two, though--unless you were calling a southerner a Yankee, then they'd get all "wet-hennish" about it.

However, we don't know, looking at this tape, if Ahmed and Harry are actually battle buddies. If they were, it would change the whole nature of that exchange from something that is insulting to something maybe a bit immature, certainly snarky, and more friendly.

[DS1]

93. This sort of language is not acceptable in a modern army.

it's encouraged. I can't tell you how many cadences involve bombing raghead families.

Yet, I don't care, either.

[Paul Giulani]

99. Prince Harry can say ANYTHING HE WANTS!

He is a Royal. You complainers are just jealous. I'll bet you wish your name was Saxe-Coburg-Gotha-Windsor-something-or-other, too. Then you could say anything YOU want. You could even say "Paki" on DU! :)

[Phillycat]

107. Exactly.

So much pearl clutching over something that happens every day with every military group around the globe.

[JeanGrey]

111. Who the hell cares. Must be a low news day.

[nini]

115. "The Equality and Human Rights Commission has demanded a formal inquiry into Harry's behaviour"

Let me save them time and money - he's a pompous spoiled asshole.