Gaza medics describe horror of strike which killed 70

[DogPoundPup]

Source: Telegraph UK

Growing evidence emerged today of the bloodiest single incident of the Gaza conflict when around 70 corpses were found by a Palestinian paramedic near a bombed-out house.

Read more: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/is...

[Poll_Blind]

1. "...Israeli army...had ordered about 100 members of the clan to gather in a single house..."

Before shelling it.

I encourage folks to read the full article.

PB

[ShadesOfGrey]

9. This was actually reported on CNN earlier today too...

The military told the family (I believe CNN said it was an extended family of 70 people)to gather together in one house for safety. Then they demolished the house the next morning. How sick is that? These poor people have no where to go. The places they were told were safe zones ended up being military targets. This is pure horror!!!

[subsuelo]

19. Mission accomplished.

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[Poll_Blind]

49. Eh, I dunno. Nazis didn't invent atrocities nor perfect them. The real question...

...is whether you read the article and strike a spark, and maybe an ember, which will uncomfortably burn inside you- always reminding you that there is a greater responsibility to know the evils of the world really exist (and thus be compelled to confront them) or be repelled and choose to ignore a reality which is frightening beyond belief which is:

  You and I, the Palestinians and the Israelis, the Nazis, Pol Pot's death squads, Genghis Khan's galloping, scimitar-swinging hordes...or, say, the Andrew Sisters...all of us, we're all cut from the same human cloth capable of divine expressions of Love and utterly diabolic acts of hatred.

  Some of us choose to know things which terrify us because those things are real and because, in some fashion, they must be addressed lest through our inaction we allow others to turn our entire planet into even more of a mechanized slaughter house than it already is.

  This is usually where someone metaphorically spits on me for these beliefs. It used to bother me, but not any time recently.

PB

[Cronopio]

50. But a Hamas rocket killed 20 Israelis a week ago. So it's okay.

[Hannah Bell]

52. no, hamas rockets killed a grand total of 25 people in the last 7 years.

but they *might* kill someone else, therefore israel can kills hundreds, thousands, to reduce that possibility.

[Cronopio]

53. I don't give a shit about the numbers. It's all about instilling fear!

And you can't command fear and respect if you won't sacrifice a few, **RIGHT?** The right few, that is.

Again ...

[bobd0]

2. WAR CRIME --

They said that after the Israeli army first took the town on Saturday night soldiers had ordered about 100 members of the clan to gather in a single house owned by Wael Samouni around dawn on Sunday.

At 6.35am on Monday the house was repeatedly shelled with appalling loss of civilian life.

[HughMoran]

8. That's gruesome

WTF are they thinking?

[awoke_in_2003]

13. they were thinking...

"how can we kill these people more efficiently". I wonder where they could have got that idea from?

[bobd0]

16. I think I know

but I can't say or the thread will be locked.

[awoke_in_2003]

24. Yep. nt

[leftchick]

33. yep

the obvious yet dreaded word.

[HughMoran]

18. I've given up on imagining what is being thought in these situations

They have some sort of 100 to 1 kill ratio that they implement the minute a single person is killed.

It's the most unproductive and anti-humanity policy I've ever seen or heard of.

[awoke_in_2003]

26. Their is no humanity...

because the Israeli government does not consider the Palestinians human.

on edit: and, in fairness, the feeling is probably mutual.

[HughMoran]

36. No, the "rednecks" firing rockets are definitely ass holes, but...

if all deaths were revenged, then the human race would cease to exist. Israel is the super power - they could resolve this if they wanted to. It's not as if they haven't had any time to mull it over.

[awoke_in_2003]

41. True. The one way to resolve this...

is to form a Palestinian state, and then recognize it.

[HughMoran]

42. Agreed

It's inevitable - the Palestinians MUST have their own sovereignty - why are they allowing the slaughter to go on?

Why are we (the USA)?

It appears to be for political reasons internally - completely unforgivable.

[awoke_in_2003]

43. Can't upset AIPAC. nt

[TahitiNut]

3. "I could see an Israeli army bulldozer knocking down houses nearby but we ran out of time ..."

"I could see an Israeli army bulldozer knocking down houses nearby but we ran out of time and the Israeli soldiers started shooting at us."

[razors edge]

4. Concerns had been growing

that Zeitoun had witnessed massive civilian casualties after surviving members of the Samouni clan reached Gaza City three days ago.

They said that after the Israeli army first took the town on Saturday night soldiers had ordered about 100 members of the clan to gather in a single house owned by Wael Samouni around dawn on Sunday.

At 6.35am on Monday the house was repeatedly shelled with appalling loss of civilian life.

A handful of survivors, some wounded, others carrying dead or dying infants, made it on foot to Gaza's main north-south road before they were given lifts to hospital. Three small children were buried in Gaza City that afternoon.


This endeavor will bear bad fruit.

[Jackpine Radical]

5. It just shows Israeli efficiency in dealing with terrorists.

You can save a lot of ammunition if you herd the geezer terrorists, the toddler terrorists and all the other terrorists into a house before you blow it up, and then you can really increase the effectiveness of the operation by waiting for the medic terrorists to show up so you can shoot them.

They said that after the Israeli army first took the town on Saturday night soldiers had ordered about 100 members of the clan to gather in a single house owned by Wael Samouni around dawn on Sunday.

At 6.35am on Monday the house was repeatedly shelled with appalling loss of civilian life.

A handful of survivors, some wounded, others carrying dead or dying infants, made it on foot to Gaza's main north-south road before they were given lifts to hospital. Three small children were buried in Gaza City that afternoon.

According to the survivors between 60 and 70 family members had been killed by shrapnel and falling masonry.

Convoys of ambulances twice headed to the area to look for wounded but they were driven back by Israeli shooting.

Or maybe it was all a big mistake. Maybe the Israelis didn't mean to blow up that hous full of the terorists they had herded into it. And maybe they mistook the terrorist ambulances for--well--tanks or something.

[bobd0]

15. This reminds me of what the U.S. military did in Fallujah -- and so many other places in Iraq

In Fallujah the U.S. military warned everyone to leave but then the U.S. military refused to allow males between 15 and 55 to leave because they were deemed "military aged males". Then the U.S. military proceeded to destroy the entire city with all the "military aged males" between 15 and 55 still in it.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,138376,00.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/jan/11/iraq.rorymc...

Great allies, the U.S. and Israel.

[stillcool]

37. sounds promising..

perhaps there will be a 'cease-fire' when a certain quota is met. When the land is uninhabitable it will be so much easier to negotiate.

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[Baby Snooks]

10. Thank god we have the European media...

If it weren't for the European media, and the internet, all we would have is propaganda.

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[bobd0]

29. There is certainly a lot of that going around recently. nt

[IsItJustMe]

30. Microcosm of the msm when it comes to Isreal.

[whopis01]

35. What are you talking about?

There are plenty of posts all over DU that clearly do not support Israel.

[eagertolearn]

44. I noticed that when i mentioned a book called "The Lemon Tree"

and was shipped to another strand! Great book by the way of a more personal view of what is going on over there. Israel needs to stop this blood shed. I don't care about Hamas fighters being killed but all the other innocent people who have no where to hide.

[cboy4]

46. That's funny. I thought it was the other way around.

[StudsT]

11. just imagine the hundreds of other murders in Gaza by Israel - this is TERRORISM on a grand scale

and so it goes...

StudsT

[Baby Snooks]

12. Is it any different from what we did in Iraq?

What's the difference between what the Israelis are doing in Gaza and what we did in Iraq? There is none. But might makes right. Right?

[StudsT]

14. yes

according to the body count reports, we are 'winning' on that score, so far.

and so it goes....

StudsT

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[bonito]

27. You mean what the neocons did in Iraq, it's the same mob.

[mbperrin]

28. Who on earth thinks that what we have done in Iraq is right?

Not I, from day one.

[iconicgnom]

32. The US got away clean after what they did in Iraq, in Fallujah, etc. Didn't they? Case closed.

[frylock]

20. i guess the ususal subjects are awaiting their talking points before coming to defend this shit..

this is un-fucking-conscionable.

[DaLittle Kitty]

21. And The Stinking Commercial By The United Christians and Jews Last Night on MSNBC Was Beyond

The Pall using video of blown up Palestinians to ask for donations to help the poor Israelis under seige from the terroists!

[frylock]

22. glad i missed that..

my outrage meter is already pegged.

[bevoette]

38. OMG - i SAW that and my jaw literally fell open!!

i could not BELIEVE what i was seeing

a commercial. on MSNBC. over the top!

[varelse]

23. I think something just broke inside me

"A handful of survivors, some wounded, others carrying dead or dying infants, made it on foot to Gaza's main north-south road before they were given lifts to hospital. Three small children were buried in Gaza City that afternoon. "

[proud progressive]

31. this cannot be happening! has iraeli forgotten what was done to their people not to long ago?

[iconicgnom]

34. But this isn't being done to their people, so it doesn't count as a "great disaster" or "holocaust".

Case closed.

[nadinbrzezinski]

39. This has to be investigated for a possible war crime

And if there are enough findings, then the proper follow up has to come

Sorry if I am not willing to jump into this and say warcrime ... knowing how this goes

And yes, it will take years

[Marie26]

40. war crime. nt

[Shardik]

45. Dear god.

What horrendous bastards.

[peacetalksforall]

48. If you haven't figured it out or if not explored or proved yet - Israel, the U.S.,

the UK, Australia, Canada have a pact. You will not hear anyone from those countries speaking against Israel, in fact, they are blatantly supporting Israel. We're talking leader level - a pact. Whether drawn together for military profit or for extinction, they are all on a neo-con level. Regrettably, that includes Dems.

They are NOT DOING ANYTHING. It isn't enough to cry here, we need to inundate them with mail.

Ask yourself why they are so devoted to supporting Israel and blaming Hamas.

It is not only our leaders. Our leaders are one and the same with Cheney and Bush and also with the leaders of the UK, Canada, Australia which includes Israel in the group. These are the people behind ONE WORLD ORDER on behalf of the people who selected them to play the leader roles.

This is NOT JUST another Israel-Palestinian eye for an eye.

The next leap is to ask if this is leading up to an attack on Iran?

I'm not just being flip.

The people of this world cannot let this be done to them.

Don't just look at Israel - look at our own.

Inundate.

[Arctic Dave]

51. Maybe the US should drop a few 1000# bombs on building full

of Isrealis and see what type of response we get.

[maddezmom]

54. discussion here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...