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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-08 04:18 PM
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Turkish intellectuals issue apology to Armenians
Source: Associated Press

ANKARA, Turkey (AP) -- A group of about 200 Turkish intellectuals on Monday issued an apology on the Internet for the World War I-era massacres of Armenians in Turkey.

The group of prominent academics, journalists, writers and artists avoided using the contentious term "genocide" in the apology, using the less explosive "Great Catastrophe" instead.

"My conscience does not accept that (we) remain insensitive toward and deny the Great Catastrophe that the Ottoman Armenians were subjected in 1915," read the apology. "I reject this injustice, share in the feelings and pain of my Armenian brothers, and apologize to them."

The apology is a sign that many in Turkey are ready to break a long-held taboo against acknowledging Turkish culpability for the deaths.



Read more: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_TURKEY_ARMENI...
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-08 04:20 PM
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1. Wow. That's a big step. n/t
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-08 05:07 PM
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2. It was genocide. But, this is still a step in the right direction.
This group is going to be ferociously hounded in Turkey, but as we have seen in our own country, the fight for justice is never easy, and it starts with people of conscience speaking out with courage.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-08 07:06 PM
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3. After all these years. This is important. . . .n/t
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-08 08:04 PM
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4. So, how many of them have been jailed by now? (nt)
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Duppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-08 06:21 AM
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5. how many Turkish liberals were jailed for speaking out
Edited on Tue Dec-16-08 06:22 AM by Duppers
years ago? sonofabitches.

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"As a songwriter, a musician, freedom of expression is not some abstract concept to me. It's my life. As a member of Amnesty International, I am given the tools I need to help ensure that no one is silenced for expressing their beliefs. I urge you to join me in signing this petition, to demand an end to Article 301."
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Lead singer of System of A Down and
Co-Founder of Axis of Justice


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I am not one to keep silent when I see something wrong. So, today, I am writing to ask that you speak out with me on an issue that's really important.

Right now, in Turkey, there is a law called Article 301 that makes it a crime to say or write anything deemed to be "un-Turkish". Journalists, writers and many others who are vocal are facing trials under this law. In fact this year's Nobel Prize winner for literature, Orhan Pamuk escaped conviction on a technicality for his mention of the 1 million Armenians living in Turkey who were murdered in the first part of the 20th century.

The Turkish Government is not alone in repressing speech. In the Sudan today tens of thousands have been killed and millions more have been driven from their homes. The Sudanese Government will not acknowledge the extent of the tragedy and refuses to protect its own people. Journalists, writers and many others have been jailed for speaking out.

I ask that you join me and other Amnesty International members to stand up for free speech. Please send an email to the Turkish government demanding that they uphold the right to free speech and repeal Article 301 of the penal code. In addition to speaking out against Article 301, I ask that you also take action through Amnesty and demand the protection of the men, women and children in the Sudan.

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As a member of Amnesty International, I know I am helping to change the course of history and by taking action, so can you.

Thanks for speaking out for human rights!

Peace,
Serj Tankian
Lead Singer of System of a Down
Co-Founder of Axis of Justice

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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-08 06:26 AM
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6. It wasn't a genocide, it was a war. Many Armenians took the side
of the enemy of the state. Was there injustice against many innocent Armenians who didn't take part in that, yes. And that is what they are apologizing for.
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armodem08 Donating Member (186 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-08 08:32 AM
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7. Watch the movie Ararat, then tell me that's war...
I searched in vain for a sarcasm tag in your post, but found none. As an Armenian, I think your statement is reprehensible and shameful. Every respected historian has concluded that the Young Turks intended to eradicate Armenians from Turkish areas. I only hope that you realize the error of your thinking.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-08 09:24 AM
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9. it wasn't a genocide????
what do you have against facts? As an American Armenian, do some research.
even better here are some links for you to check out.

http://www.anca.org/anca_home.php

http://www.unitedhumanrights.org/Genocide/armenian_geno...
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-08 09:17 AM
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8. Amen.
This Armenian American woman thanks you. The Truth will set you free. It is time to come to terms what the Turks did to the Armenians.
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MarkInCA Donating Member (403 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-08 12:28 PM
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10. This is big, it has always irked me.
"Something happened, but we won't call it a genocide."

"We don't want to deal with this issue because it will piss off Turkey."

I think this is a big step. Central California has a huge Armenian population which has brought wonderful culture to the area.

The ongoing denials does not do any good for anybody, a toast for my Armenian neighbors!

:beer:
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