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Tab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-08-08 12:05 PM Original message |
GM says it "disappointed" and "betrayed" consumers |
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navarth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-08-08 12:08 PM Response to Original message |
1. back up that apology with action! |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-08-08 12:08 PM Response to Original message |
2. *snivel* |
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TheCowsCameHome (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-08-08 12:15 PM Response to Original message |
3. Sounds like the last days of the Bush administration - "We screwed up" |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-08-08 12:15 PM Response to Original message |
4. They built trucks and SUV's because people bought 'em. |
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sweetpotato (678 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-08-08 12:32 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. They built trucks and SUVs to get around the standards in place for automobiles |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-08-08 12:33 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. And consumers bought them. It's hard to argue that point away. nt |
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Nihil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-08-08 01:09 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. Henry Mencken: |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-08-08 01:26 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. Fugazi: "Never mind what's been selling/ It's what you're buying." nt |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-09-08 08:03 PM Response to Reply #6 |
60. Do you not think Toyota, Nissan and Honda do the same? |
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navarth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-08-08 12:35 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. well.... |
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Donnachaidh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-08-08 01:09 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. make stuff look sexy? |
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pdefalla (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-08-08 01:34 PM Response to Reply #12 |
17. We do want sexy |
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navarth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-08-08 02:43 PM Response to Reply #12 |
21. don't get hung up on the word sexy |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-08-08 05:35 PM Response to Reply #21 |
28. Beg to differ. Most Toyotas are dull as dishwater, and ugly as sin. nt |
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navarth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-08-08 06:26 PM Response to Reply #28 |
35. oh well. eye of the beholder, and all that |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-08-08 01:26 PM Response to Reply #8 |
15. Aerodynamics are the key to good fuel economy, not "sexy". |
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navarth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-08-08 02:44 PM Response to Reply #15 |
22. please see response #21 |
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AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-08-08 05:01 PM Response to Reply #15 |
26. Aerodynamic Doesn't Have to be Ugly |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-08-08 05:34 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. If an SUV is an "upsell", doesn't that suggest that consumers don't want economy cars to begin with? |
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AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-09-08 02:35 AM Response to Reply #27 |
48. Upsell Just Means Getting the Customer to Buy a More Expensive Product |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-09-08 07:35 AM Response to Reply #48 |
52. Right. But it works by comparing the cheaper product to the more expensive one. |
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outofbounds (578 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-09-08 02:33 AM Response to Reply #26 |
47. You IMHO hit that nail squarely on the head and drove it home |
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AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-08-08 04:23 PM Response to Reply #8 |
25. The Geo Was Made Where? |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-08-08 05:36 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. The Geo Metro was a Suzuki desgin, made in Japan, California, and Ontario, CA. nt |
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Thegonagle (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-09-08 01:43 PM Response to Reply #29 |
58. Actually, it depends which Geo. The Metro and Tracker were Suzuki designs, the Storm was |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-08-08 03:01 PM Response to Reply #4 |
24. People bought them because of millions of dollars of advertising. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-08-08 05:37 PM Response to Reply #24 |
30. Right. The same reason I smoke. And drink. And own an Iphone. |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-08-08 07:33 PM Response to Reply #30 |
41. "I must have some super-duper immunity to advertising." |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-09-08 07:33 AM Response to Reply #41 |
50. Conspiracy theories are almost always self-flattering... |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-09-08 10:15 AM Response to Reply #30 |
54. I imagine most people think that very same thing |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-09-08 11:57 AM Response to Reply #54 |
56. Even the ones who are lecturing us about our utter POWERLESSNESS in the face of marketing? |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-09-08 01:05 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. Probably the ones I see on a constant basis. |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-08-08 06:38 PM Response to Reply #24 |
36. Yes, people aren't responsible for what they do. |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-09-08 12:23 AM Response to Reply #36 |
44. Have you seen "Who Killed the Electric Car?" If not, I suggest you do so. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-09-08 07:36 AM Response to Reply #44 |
53. LOL. Is that a documentary on mind control? |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-09-08 07:34 AM Response to Reply #36 |
51. He doesn't even REALLY believe this. He's just trying to cover for his Bailout Boosting. nt |
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calimary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-08-08 08:48 PM Response to Reply #4 |
43. But how many commercials do you see for the Cobalt? Compare that with how many |
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Uben (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-08-08 12:22 PM Response to Original message |
5. What a wonderful apology! |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-08-08 12:35 PM Response to Original message |
9. Please. Nothing is going to change. They can't go under, but |
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proud progressive (358 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-08-08 12:43 PM Response to Original message |
10. let me guess. do they want my sympathies or my money? |
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CANDO (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-08-08 01:20 PM Response to Original message |
13. They built engines and transmissions designed to wear out. |
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TrogL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-08-08 02:25 PM Response to Reply #13 |
20. It wasn't just GM |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-08-08 05:38 PM Response to Reply #13 |
31. There is no such thing as a piece of machinery that doesn't wear out... nt |
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CANDO (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-08-08 07:14 PM Response to Reply #31 |
39. That's a given, but you're ignoring my point. |
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CRF450 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-09-08 02:19 AM Response to Reply #39 |
46. What engines? To be exact... |
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CANDO (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-09-08 07:19 PM Response to Reply #46 |
59. The 2.3 Liter Ford 4 cylinder in my 1983 Mustang |
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Neshanic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-08-08 06:01 PM Response to Reply #13 |
34. Engines and transmissions fail at 100,000 miles. Like clockwork. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-08-08 07:23 PM Response to Reply #34 |
40. Have you ever owned a car? n/t |
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pam4water (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-09-08 10:41 AM Response to Reply #34 |
55. Not on Toyota or Honda. |
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nolabels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-09-08 01:32 AM Response to Reply #13 |
45. No, they have figured that part out |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-09-08 08:06 PM Response to Reply #13 |
61. No they don't, but why try to change one's mind if it is made of bricks. |
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bdamomma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-08-08 01:30 PM Response to Original message |
16. now isn't that interesting after Senator Dodd said |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-08-08 05:39 PM Response to Reply #16 |
32. I wonder what advise Chris Dodd has for AIG's CEO? "Don't spend it all in one place!"???? nt |
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Festivito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-08-08 01:48 PM Response to Original message |
18. What industry hasn't? Go ahead, name ONE. |
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DS1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-08-08 06:39 PM Response to Reply #18 |
38. Can they FIRE the fuck with the deep voice doing the truck commercials? |
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Mudoria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-08-08 02:23 PM Response to Original message |
19. My '89 Camaro I bought new is still running like a champ |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-08-08 02:59 PM Response to Original message |
23. I just watched "Who Killed the Electric Car" and I'm ticked off at GM. |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-09-08 08:08 PM Response to Reply #23 |
62. You need to move on. The past is over, so buy a fucking Volt in 2010. |
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Neshanic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-08-08 06:00 PM Response to Original message |
33. All top managemnet should be fired now and replaced with the people that made the electric car they |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-08-08 06:38 PM Response to Original message |
37. Ok, country, have we groveled enough? |
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high density (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-08-08 07:40 PM Response to Original message |
42. I had to laugh at the VP ass from GM that was on MSNBC earlier today |
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superconnected (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-09-08 02:46 AM Response to Original message |
49. So much for apologizing for being the leader of closing all those factorys and sending all those |
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