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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 06:17 AM
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Fidel Castro says Cuba can talk with Obama
Source: Miami Herald

Posted on Thursday, 12.04.08
Fidel Castro says Cuba can talk with Obama
By ANITA SNOW
Associated Press Writer

HAVANA -- Fidel Castro said Thursday that President-elect Barack Obama is a man Cuba can talk with and indicated that communist officials would be willing to meet with him wherever he wants.

But the former Cuban leader expressed disappointment with some of Obama's Cabinet choices, including Hillary Rodham Clinton as secretary of state and Robert Gates as defense secretary.

In his latest essay distributed to official media, the ailing 82-year-old former president wrote that with Obama "a conversation can be held wherever he wants," and that Cuban officials don't expect the new U.S. administration to be marked by violence and war.

But he added that Obama must remember that a carrot-and-stick approach won't work with Cuba.

Castro, and Cuban officials in general, have said very little about Obama since he won the U.S. presidential election. But he did describe him as intelligent in an earlier essay.



Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/americas/story/799961.h...
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Submariner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 06:24 AM
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1. Hannity will milk about a week out of this story
Being able to use the words "Obama" and "Commie" in the same sentence will just be too orgasmic for him to pass up. Tonight at 9:00 EST....any bets?
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wellst0nev0ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 08:54 AM
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2. Won't Know. Won't Watch. Won't Care.
The Cuban embargo is a laughably stupid policy of swing-my-tiny-dickism any way you look at it.
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Billy Burnett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 07:03 PM
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6. Obama supports the embargo.
In his own words. Said in 2007, while pandering to the usual intransigent exiles in Miami.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqO37BBhCqY


I have no idea why DUers think that he will end it. :shrug:


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wellst0nev0ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 08:52 AM
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19. Me Neither.
How the hell did those Miamicubanobatistanos have us by the balls when it comes to this ridiculous foreign policy? I want that much power :(
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 09:31 PM
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39. i think obama will talk
he's a fair man.
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fla nocount Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 09:10 AM
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3. See! Leftists do not like BO's cabinet choices. n/t
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fla nocount Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 03:07 PM
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4. >>>
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 06:50 PM
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5. Mmm. Cigars. What were we talking about?
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Sex Pistol Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 09:03 PM
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7. Huh...? I thought Fidel had moved on to that special place reserved
for the wicked and the immoral.

Is this the sequel to "Weekend at Bernie's?"
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 11:50 PM
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8. Why do you imagine AP's writer wouldn't have referred to it in her article about his comments
on meeting with Obama?

Wicked and immoral would refer to the filthy clown who was there before, US-supported corrupt, bloody death-squad loving, friend of the US Mafia, Fulgencio Batista.

Would also refer to the filthy P.O.S.s from South Florida who have been running raids, bombing, murdering, drug-running all these long years.
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Sex Pistol Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 07:34 AM
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13. Did you read something in my comment that suggests that I supported Batista?
Hell, I didn't even mention him. But Castro wasn't any better; he was merely the flip side of the same evil coin. And while the mafia surely cut some major deals with Batista, he lost US support after he held a Castro style election in which he was the only candidate. The fact is that Castro would never have come to power if the US had continued to support Batista.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 07:48 AM
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15. Your ignorance concerning Cuba's history is astounding. How can you develope such loud sentiments
regarding Cuba's history when you're not in touch with what has happened there?

Short but sweet thumbnail sketch of Fulgencio Batista:
FULGENCIO BATISTA
President of Cuba

Cuban Army Sergeant Fulgencio Batista first seized power in a 1932 coup. He was President Roosevelt's handpicked dictator to counteract leftists who had overthrown strongman Cerardo Machado. Batista ruled or several years, then left for Miami, returning in 1952 just in time for another coup, against elected president Carlos Prio Socorras. His new regime was quickly recognized by President Eisenhower. Under Batista, U.S. interests flourished and little was said about democracy. With the loyal support of Batista, Mafioso boss Meyer Lansky developed Havana into an international drug port. Cabinet offices were bought and sold and military officials made huge sums on smuggling and vice rackets. Havana became a fashionable hot spot where America's rich and famous drank and gambled with mobsters. As the gap between the rich and poor grew wider, the poor grew impatient. In 1953, Fidel Castro led an armed group of rebels in a failed uprising on the Moncada army barracks. Castro temporarily fled the country and Batista struck back with a vengeance. Freedom of speech was curtailed and subversive teachers, lawyers and public officials were fired from their jobs. Death squads tortured and killed thousands of "communists". Batista was assisted in his crackdown by Lansky and other members of organized crime who believed Castro would jeopardize their gambling and drug trade. Despite this, Batista remained a friend to Eisenhower and the US until he was finally overthrown by Castro in 1959.
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/US_ThirdWorld/dictato...
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Sex Pistol Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 08:00 AM
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16. It is your ignorance and attempt to promote fascism which I find astounding.
I believe Truman recognized Batista at some point after he took over. But US policy developed into one which favored free and fair elections. Thus, when Batista held his Castro style sham election, the US withdrew support.

But don't let the facts get in the way of your propaganda, darling.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 08:27 AM
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18. No, you are wildly wrong about withdrawing support. Didn't happen.
Another excerpt:
Batista emerged as the arbiter of Cuba's politics. He ruled through puppet presidents until 1940, when he was elected president. Desiring to win popular support, he sponsored an impressive body of welfare legislation. Public administration, health, education, and public works improved. He established rural hospitals and minimum-wage laws, increased salaries for public and private employees, and started a program of rural schools under army control. He legalized the Cuban Communist party and in 1943 established diplomatic relations with the Soviet Union. The army received higher pay, pensions, better food, and modern medical care, thus ensuring its loyalty. On December 9, 1941, following the attack on Pearl Harbor, Batista brought Cuba into World War II on the Allied side. Air and naval bases were made available to the United States, which purchased most of Cuba's sugar production and provided generous loans and grants.

In 1944 Batista allowed the election of his old-time rival, Grau San Martin. After an extensive tour of Central and South America, Batista settled at Daytona Beach, Florida, where he wrote Sombras de America (1946), in which he surveyed his life and policies. In 1948, while still in Florida, he was elected to the Cuban Senate from Santa Clara Province. He returned to Cuba that year, organized his own party, and announced his presidential candidacy for the June 1952 elections.

Batista, however, prevented the election from taking place. Aware perhaps that he had little chance to win, he and a group of army officers overthrew the constitutionally elected regime of President Carlos Prio Socarrs on March 10, 1952. Batista suspended the 1940 constitution and Congress, canceled the elections, and dissolved all political parties. Opposition soon developed, led primarily by university students. On July 26, 1953, young revolutionaries led by Fidel Castro unsuccessfully attacked the Moncada military barracks in Oriente Province.

In a rigged election in November 1954, Batista was "re-elected" for a 4-year term. This time he neglected social and economic problems, and corruption and graft reached unprecedented proportions. Political parties and groups called for new elections but with little success. Fidel Castro began guerrilla operations, with the assistance of his Argentine compatriot, Ernesto "Che" Guevera, in Oriente Province. Soon other groups, like the Civic Resistance movement, organized into an urban underground and began terrorist warfare in Cuba's cities. An attack on the presidential palace in 1957 by the students and followers of deposed President Prio nearly succeeded in killing Batista. On December 9, 1958, U.S. financier William D. Pawley met with Batista on behalf of the State Department, offering sanctuary for Batista and his family in Florida. To his regret, Batista refused the generous American offer, and finally, defections in the army precipitated the crumbling of the regime on December 31, 1958. With rebel forces numbering over 50, 000, Batista escaped to the Dominican Republic, and though a new president took office in Cuba, Castro soon arrived in Havana to take power. Later Batista moved from the Dominican Republic to the Portuguese Madeira Islands, where he wrote several books, among them Cuba Betrayed and The Growth and Decline of the Cuban Republic, which are apologies for his divisive role in Cuban politics. Batista never returned to Cuba, and died of a heart attack in Marbella, Spain on August 6, 1973.

http://www.novelguide.com/a/discover/ewb_02/ewb_02_0048...

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More:
In an uprising known as the "Revolt of the Sergeants," Batista took over the Cuban government on September 4, 1933. The coup overthrew the liberal government of Gerardo Machado, and marked the beginning of the army's influence as an organized force in the running of the government. It also signaled Batista's emergence as self-appointed chief of the armed forces, king-maker and favored U.S. strong man.

U.S. Ambassador Benjamin Sumner Welles, sent to Cuba in April of 1933 to mediate differences between the government and opposing political groups, found an ally in Batista. "You're the only individual in Cuba today who represents authority," he said to the recently self-appointed Chief of the Military. When Batista asked what the U.S. "wanted done for recognition," Welles replied, "I will lay down no specific terms; the matter of your government is a Cuban matter and it is for you to decide what you will do about it." To Batista, this was an invitation to rule.

On January 14 1934, Batista forced provisional president Ramn Grau San Martn to resign, and he appointed Carlos Mendieta to the presidency. Within five days, the U.S. recognized Cuba's new government.

For the next decade Batista ran the country from the background, using puppet presidents and having his way with the government, which continued a thirty-year tradition of corruption.

Batista was well liked by American interests, who feared Grau's liberal social and economic revolution and saw him as a stabilizing force with respect for American interests. It was in this time period that Batista formed a renowned friendship and business relationship with gangster Meyer Lansky that lasted over three decades.

Through Lansky, the mafia knew they had a friend in Cuba. Gangster Lucky Luciano, after being deported to Italy in 1946, went to Havana with a false passport. A summit at Havana's Hotel Nacional, with mobsters such as Frank Costello, Vito Genovese, Santo Trafficante Jr., Moe Dalitz and others, confirmed Luciano's authority over the U.S. mob, and coincided with Frank Sinatra's singing debut in Havana. It was here that Lansky gave permission to kill Bugsy Siegel for skimming construction money from the Flamingo in Las Vegas.

Many of Batista's enemies faced the same fate as the ambitious Siegel. One of his most bitter opponents, Antonio Guiteras (founder of the student group Jven Cuba) was gunned down by government forces in 1935 while waiting for a boat in Matanzas province. Others just seemed to disappear into thin air.

Batista's chance to sit on the president's chair came in 1940. Supported by a coalition of political parties, and by the Communists, he defeated his old rival Grau San Martn in the first presidential election under a new Cuban constitution. During his presidency, trade relations with the U.S. increased, and a series of war taxes were imposed on the Cuban population. In 1944, Grau San Martn was elected president and Batista was forced to relinquish control.

While living luxuriously in Daytona Beach, Florida, Batista ran for and won a seat in the Cuban Senate in 1948. Four years later he was running for president, but a poll published in the December, 1951 issue of the popular magazine "Bohemia" showed him in last place.

The Second Coup
On March 10 1952, almost twenty years after the Revolt of the Sergeants, Batista took over the government once more, this time against elected Cuban president Carlos Pro Socorras. The coup took place three months before the upcoming elections that he was sure to loose. Also running in that election (for a different office) was a young, energetic lawyer named Fidel Castro. On March 27 Batista's government was formally recognized by U.S. President Dwight D. Eisenhower.

Shortly after this recognition, Batista declared that, although he was completely loyal to Cuba's constitution of 1940, constitutional guarantees would have to be temporarily suspended, as well as the right to strike. In April, writes Hugh Thomas in The Cuban Revolution, "Batista proclaimed a new constitutional code of 275 articles, claiming that the 'democratic and progressive essence' of the 1940 Constitution was preserved in the new law."

Batista opened the way for large-scale gambling in Havana, and he reorganized the Cuban state so that he and his political appointees could harvest the nation's riches. He announced that his government would match, dollar for dollar, any hotel investment over $1 million, which would include a casino license, and Lansky became the center of the entire Cuban gambling operation.

Under Batista, Cuba became profitable for American business and organized crime. Havana became the "Latin Las Vegas," a playground of choice for wealthy gamblers, and very little was said about democracy, or the rights of the average Cuban. Opposition was swiftly and violently crushed, and many began to fear the new government.

Just over a year after Batista's second coup, a small group of revolutionaries led by Fidel Castro attacked the Moncada Army Barracks in Santiago on July 26, 1953. The attack failed, and Batista sent General Martin Tamayo, the military commander of the district, a note ordering him to "kill ten rebels for every soldier killed" in the attack. This Presidential order was quickly dubbed the "ten-for-one" law. Tamayo carried out his order, murdering fifty-nine additional rebels (it would have taken 190 deaths to fulfill Batista's request).

Having easily defeated the rebellion, and with Castro and most of the others in jail or dead, business was back to normal in Cuba. Mafia boss Meyer Lansky turned Havana into an international drug port, and Cuban officials continued to get rich even after a few years in government. Nightly, the "bagman" for Batista's wife collected 10 percent of the profits at Trafficante's casinos; the Sans Souci, and the casinos in the hotels Sevilla-Biltmore, Commodoro, Deauville and Capri. Batista's take from the Lansky casinos, the Hotel Nacional, the Montmartre Club and others, is said to be 30 percent. That was aside from his fair share of Cuba's general funds that should have been going to education, public health and city maintenance.

For a price, Batista handed contracts to dozens of U.S. corporations for massive construction projects, such as the Havana-Varadero highway, the Rancho Boyeros airport, train lines, the power company and a strange plan to dig a canal across Cuba.

Due to popular unrest, and to appease his U.S. friends, Batista held a mock election in which he was the only legal candidate. He won, becoming president of Cuba in 1954. Cubans, however, had learned not to trust him, and were demanding new, legitimate elections.

The distinguished Colonel Cosme de la Torriente, a surviving veteran of the Cuban War of Independence, emerged in late 1955 to offer compromise. A series of meetings led by de la Torriente became known as "El Dilago Cvico" (the civic dialogue). Writes Hugh Thomas: "This Dilago Cvico represented what turned out to be the last hope for Cuban middle-class democracy, but Batista was far too strong and entrenched in his position to make any concessions."

Batista was so confident of his power that on May 15, 1955, he released Castro and the remaining survivors of the Moncada attack, hoping to dissuade some of his critics. Within weeks it was rumored that Batista's military police was looking to kill Castro, so the rebel went to Mexico to plan the revolution.

The Havana Post, expressing the attitude of the U.S. business community after a survey of the four years of Batista's second reign, alluded to the disappearance of gangsterism and said: 'All in all, the Batista regime has much to commend it." Hugh Thomas disagrees with that commentary. "In a way," Thomas writes, "Batista's golpe formalized gangsterism: the machine gun in the big car became the symbol not only of settling scores but of an approaching change of government."

By late 1955 student riots and anti-Batista demonstration had become frequent. These were dealt with in the violent manner his military police had come to represent. Students attempting to march from the University of Havana were stopped and beaten by the police, and student leader Jos A. Echeverra had to be hospitalized. Another popular student leader was killed on December 10, leading to a funeral that became a gigantic political protest with a 5-minute nationwide work stoppage.

Instead of loosening his grip, Batista suspended constitutional guarantees and established tighter censorship of the media. His military police would patrol the streets and pick up anyone suspected of insurrection. By the end of 1955 they had grown more prone to violent acts of brutality and torture, with no fear of legal repercussions.

In March of 1956 Batista refused to consider a proposal calling for elections by the end of the year. He was confident that he could defeat any revolutionary attempt from the many factions who opposed him.

Batista continued to rule with his usually confident iron fist, even after the landing of the Granma in December of 1956 (which brought the Castro brothers back to Cuba along with Che Guevara and marked the beginning of the armed conflict).

Due to their continued opposition of the dictator, the University of Havana was temporarily closed on November 30 1956. (It would not re-open until early 1959, after a revolutionary victory.) But that did not end the flow of student blood, including Echeverra's, who was killed by police after a radio broadcast on March 13 1957.

Batista's police also tracked down and killed Frank Pas, a coordinator with the 26th of July Movement, inciting a spontaneous strike in the three easternmost provinces of Cuba.

That same year, in midst of the revolutionary upheaval, the 21-story, 383-room Hotel Riviera was built in Havana at a cost of $14 million, most of which came from the Cuban government. It was Lansky's dream and crowing achievement. The hotel opened on December 10, with a floor show headlined by Ginger Rogers. Lansky's official title was "kitchen director," but he controlled every aspect of the hotel. He complained that Rogers "can wiggle her ass, but she can't sing a goddam note!"

But the seeds of the revolution had already sprouted a stronger, determined movement that would not allow the future of the Cuban nation to remain in the hands of gangsters and corrupt politicians.

Another fake election in 1958 placed one last Batista puppet in the president's chair, but loosing the support of the U.S. government meant his days in power were numbered.

On January 1, 1959, after formally resigning his position in Cuba's government and going through what historian Hugh Thomas describes as "a charade of handing over power" to his representatives, remaining family and closest associates boarded a plane at 3 a.m. at Camp Colombia and flew to Ciudad Trujillo in the Dominican Republic.

Throughout the night various flights out of Camp Colombia took Batista's friends and high officials to Miami, New York, New Orleans and Jacksonville. Batista's brother "Panchn," governor of Havana, left several hours later, and Meyer Lansky, suffering from ill health, also flew out that night. There was no provision made for the thousands of other Cubans who had worked with Batista's regime.

Batista died on August 6 1973, in Estoril, Portugal.
http://www.historyofcuba.com/history/batista.htm

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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 09:40 AM
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21. For anyone wondering where the hell Batista died, some sources say Portugal,
some say Spain. Apparently he lived in both places in his later years.

If you start searching, you'll find links claiming either one. I haven't found out yet, which is the one. I've been through several pages, and Spain seems to pull ahead, but Portugal is not far behind. Weird!
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 09:43 AM
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22. By the way, did you ever wonder what the wife of a total bloody butcher looks like?
Just found a photo of the Mrs., Marta Fernandez Miranda de Batista:

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Sex Pistol Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 12:10 PM
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27. I don't wonder, I know
Fortunately for her, Mirta was able escape Fidel's evil clutch a long time ago. She now lives happily in a free country.




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Sex Pistol Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 11:57 AM
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25. No, I am right and you know that I am right.
But the facts do not support your anti-American dogma; thus, you choose to spew lies and propaganda regarding the history of that era.

I am curious: How do you rationalize the fact that Fidel ruled by decree for nearly 50 years? Oh wait, I know, you are going to tell me that Fidel was re-elected over and over and over, in free and fair elections.

:rofl:
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Billy Burnett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 12:03 PM
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26. Please post some of these facts you speak of.
Instead of attacking Judi Lynn with RW puerile accusations.

Thanks.


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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 12:33 PM
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32. you have done nothing to support your position... Judi has
Edited on Sat Dec-06-08 12:34 PM by fascisthunter
You only offered meat-head pro-right wing American propaganda

PS - the truth is patriotic... it takes a strong mind to deal with reality. You are severly lacking in this instance.
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vincent_vega_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 03:01 PM
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64. The US sold Batista out
As armed conflict broke out in Cuba between rebels led by Fidel Castro and the Batista government, the U.S. was urged to end arms sales to Batista by Cuban president-in-waiting Manuel Urrutia. Washington made the critical move in March 1958 to prevent sales of rifles to Batista's forces, thus changing the course of the revolution irreversibly towards the rebels. The move was vehemently opposed by U.S. ambassador Earl T. Smith, and led U.S. state department advisor William Wieland to lament that "I know Batista is considered by many as a son of a bitch... but American interests come first... at least he was our son of a bitch."<13>

U.S. President Dwight D. Eisenhower officially recognized the new Cuban government after the 1959 Cuban Revolution which had overthrown the Batista government, but relations between the two governments deteriorated rapidly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuba-United_States_relatio...

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Deuce Donating Member (38 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 09:01 AM
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20. Thank you, for expressing my feelings perfectly.
It is difficult for me to understand the negative sentiments towards Castro and Cuba without considering the prior leadership and how some of the people were treated.
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 07:22 PM
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48. and Castro is just full of sunshine and good cheer towards all
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Billy Burnett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 11:58 PM
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9. Think again.
Here's a picture taken of him a couple of weeks ago.




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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 12:57 AM
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 02:07 AM
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11. You should make the effort to have some idea of what you're trying to discuss.
The Russians who lived in Cuba for years and years had their own church meetings they attended, and many of them married Cubans who also joined the Russian Orthodox Church. Many people remained in Cuba who were members of the church and Cuba built a Russian Orthodox church for them.

The church official visited Cuba in regard to that congregation he already has there.

Flippancy only works effectively if it connects in any respect to reality.
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 08:49 PM
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88. Ssshhhh! I think the problem
is that he really does think he knows what he is talking about. It's painful to watch a moron who doesn't know he's a moron. It's pitiful, I feel sorry for his mother.

But I take heart in the fact that the responses he gets from you are thoughtful, informative and a damned good read!

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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 05:07 AM
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12. Thanks for providing that photo, Billy Burnett. Very interesting, and fitting, considering
we've been buzzed by a couple of great minds claiming he's so dead.

Here's an article Fidel Castro wrote concerning the new Russian Orthodox church, posted here by Indiana Green:
The Russian Orthodox Church

Fidel Castro Ruz
October 21, 2008

It is a spiritual force. It played a major role at critical times in the history of Russia. At the onset of the Great Russian War, after the treacherous Nazi attack, Stalin turned to her for support to the workers and peasants that the October Revolution had changed into the owners of factories and the land.

After the demise of the USSR, this church was not an ally of imperialism. Thats why in 2004, when His Eminence Vladimir Mijailovich Gundiaev, Kiril Metropolitan of Smolensk and Kaliningrad visited our country, I suggested building a Cathedral of the Russian Orthodox Church in the capital of Cuba as a monument to Cuban-Russian friendship. The Historian of the City, Eusebio Leal, would be in charge of this undertaking. During the construction, earth was brought from the place where the remains were laid to rest of the Soviet soldiers who perished in our country during the tens of years they rendered services here. Thus, when the Cathedral was dedicated this past Sunday, I wanted to meet with the esteemed personality of the Russian Orthodox Church visiting with us.

Tomorrow, Thursday, he will be in Venezuela talking with President Chavez. Both draw inspiration from identical ethical principles derived from the preaching of Jesus Christ according to the Gospels, a religious belief they both share. After that, he will be visiting Ecuador to talk with Correa, a political leader who was trained in the Liberation Theology.

His Eminence is not an enemy of socialism and he does not condemn to eternal fire those who struggle for a better world on the basis of Marxism-Leninism. He is listened to with great attention when he addresses the UN Human Rights Commission and other institutions. In his enormous country, he often speaks on television, for fifteen minutes on Saturdays, and tens of millions of people follow his every word attentively.

Our capital is honored with the presence of a Temple worthy of the prestigious Russian Orthodox Church. This is an undisputable evidence of our Revolutions respect for the basic principles of human rights as it befits a profound and radical socialist Revolution.
http://www.periodico26.cu/english/reflections/jul-dec20...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

More photos from a very recent visit he had with Brazil's President, Luis Inacio Lula da Silva:



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Sex Pistol Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 07:35 AM
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14. Well, that's too bad, I had hoped for better for the Cuba people.
Edited on Sat Dec-06-08 07:35 AM by Sex Pistol
No matter, his days are numbered. I just hope that the Cuban people learn of his passing ASAP after it happens. Perhaps then, they will gain the confidence to throw off the chains of Castro forever.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 08:08 AM
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17. Why wouldn't the Cuban people know if he had died?
They thought he had died a few years ago when he collapsed during a speech he was giving under a hot sun on a hot day. International wire services reported that the reaction of many in the huge crowd listening to him was one of actual concern. Here's one reference I just looked up:
Indeed, the display of genuine
fright and uncontrolled weeping by members of his audience when he
fainted while making a speech during a hot afternoon in 2002 suggests
that many Cubans cannot conceive of a Cuba without Fidel.
http://www.rand.org/pubs/technical_reports/2005/RAND_TR...

On a separate occassion, when Fidel Castro tripped and fell down after giving a speech, they were also seen as being upset about his accident, as mentioned only in passing in this BBC News item:


Some people wept among the
stunned audience in Santa Clara
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3943761.stm
Last Updated: Thursday, 21 October, 2004, 14:49 GMT 15:49 UK
Castro breaks knee, arm in fall

Fidel Castro, Cuba's 78-year-old leader, has fractured a knee and an arm after he tripped and fell at the end of a televised public speech.

~snip~
'Distressed' audience

Mr Castro was sweating profusely as he sought to reassure his supporters shortly after his fall on Wednesday night.


Aides rushed to help Castro
"Please excuse me for having fallen... just so no-one speculates, I may have a fracture in my knee and maybe one in my arm," he said.

"I can speak even if they put me in plaster and I can continue to work," he added.

The Cuban revolutionary leader said he preferred to leave the city in a jeep rather than an ambulance and urged people to continue their programme of events.

Mr Castro had been speaking at the mausoleum where the remains of fellow revolutionary Che Guevara are kept.

He delivered a one-hour speech to mark a graduation of arts instructors.

When he fell, some of those among the audience of 30,000 broke into tears, a Reuters correspondent reports.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3761748.stm

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Looks as if you don't speak for the Cuban people.


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Sex Pistol Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 12:15 PM
Response to Reply #17
29. Come on, you know that Castro's Cuba is a dark and closed society
with tightly controlled access to the outside world. Hell, only the elite could own cell phones until Fidel handed over his dictatorship to Raul. Unfortunately, access to the internet is still kept away from the Cuban people. So yes, if they think they can get away with it, the oligarchy will prevent the Cuban people from learning of Fidel's death.
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Billy Burnett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 12:28 PM
Response to Reply #29
31. I don't know that. I know just the opposite. Based on my many visits there.
Are you actually using the "everybody knows" canard? :dunce:




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Billy Burnett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 11:08 AM
Response to Reply #14
23. What on earth does that mean?
You think that Mr. Castro robbed Cubans of their confidence? I would profer that the opposite is true. Only via the massively popular revolution did the Cuban people gain the freedom to create the complete social infrastructure they desired, but could never attain under prior systems, leaderships, and dictators. Please don't try to project that Castro created or provides such things - the Cuban people do so. It is the Cuban teachers and doctors and on and on who gained the confidence to do so knowing that they would not be persecuted for such social endeavors as they had been prior to the people's Revolution in 1959.

... throw off the chains of Castro forever.

It takes some strong kool aid to actually believe that.

The Castro brothers are revered revolutionary war heroes all over Cuba. It was with their help that Cubans threw off the chains of corporate oligarchy, and then successfully defended against the attack by the #1 corporatocracy - the USA - from the front lines of the battles.

This dark vision of Cuba you and other Cuba haters project is based on part fantasy and part propaganda. It is not based on actuality.


Cheers.


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Sex Pistol Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 12:13 PM
Response to Reply #23
28. Koolaid...? Actually, I can't stand the stuff, but my wife uses it to clean our dishwasher.
The ascorbic acid dissolves the minerals in water that build up over time. She uses the lemon flavored. :)

Yes, the Castro bros are adored by the chosen few inside the circle of power. However, the majority of Cubans, like others living under dictatorships, do think so highly of those ruthless bastards. Cuba is a dark and closed society. Just ask those who have been able to escape their grasp. Here are a few:


Cuban Players Defectors

Danys Baez Pitcher Devil Rays
Livan Hernandez Pitcher Nationals
Orlando Hernandez Pitcher White Sox
Jose Contreras Pitcher White Sox
Alain Soler Pitcher Mets
Yuniesky Betancourt SS/2B Mariners
Kendry Morales 1B/3B/Outfielder Angels
Brayan Pena C Braves
Michel Hernandez C Cardinals
Ariel Prieto Pitcher Marlins
Jorge Toca 1b White sox
Michael Tejera Pitcher Rangers
Juan Diaz 1B Cardinals
Vladimir Nunez Pitcher Indians
Raul Valdez Pitcher Cubs
Alex Sanchez Outfielder Giants
Eddy Oropeza Pitcher Orioles
Juan Muniz Outfielder Marlins
Yobal Duenas 2B/3B Yankees
Arian Cruz Pitcher Reds
Hansel Izquierdo Pitcher Pirates
Maikel Jova Outfielder Blue Jays
Joel Perez Outfielder Yankees
Maique Quintero Pitcher Nationals
Gary Galvez Pitcher Red Sox
Yunel Escobar SS/3B Braves
Saydel Beltran Pitcher Yankees
Mael Rodriguez Pitcher Diamondbacks
Jose Cordero Pitcher Twins
Rafael Galvizo Pitcher Marlins
Roberto Sotolongo Pitcher Cubs
Miguel Perez Pitcher Mets
William Plaza Catcher Yankees
:) :) :)
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Billy Burnett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 12:23 PM
Response to Reply #28
30. Oh. You have personal experience in Cuba?
Edited on Sat Dec-06-08 12:26 PM by Billy Burnett
Cuba is a dark and closed society? :rofl:

Maybe you are unaware that Cuba is only closed off to Americans - by US law, not Cuban law. People from all over the planet visit Cuba for tourism and other reasons.

The list of baseball players impressive, but there are much longer lists of players from other countries. Not sure what your list is intended to highlight ... that players from the Latin Americas and Caribbean come to the US for high salaried pro baseball positions? :shrug:

I'd be interested to learn of your vast experience in that "dark and closed society".


Cheers.


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Sex Pistol Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 07:27 PM
Response to Reply #30
36. Here is the difference, Billy Boy. And I quote you...
<<<Not sure what your list is intended to highlight ... that players from the Latin Americas and Caribbean come to the US for high salaried pro baseball positions? >>>

What I intend to "highlight," is the fact that players from the "Latin Americas and OTHER places in the Caribbean" are FREE to come to the US and play baseball with the BEST players in the world.

On the other hand, the BEST players in Cuba are Castro's SLAVES. In order to realize THEIR dreams, they must ESCAPE from their own damn country!

I'm sure you've been to Cuba, Billy Boy. In fact, you're probably there right now. And I'm sure you make more than than the $20 a month that the average Cuban makes.



<<<Cuba has announced a major increase in government salaries as it tries to reward workers with high productivity and advanced university degrees. The bonuses will boost some government salaries by up to 50%. Cuba's Communist Party daily newspaper says that the pay rises will be the first some civil servants have been awarded in 23 years. Workers with masters degrees will receive a bonus of up to $4 a month. Doctors will get an extra $7 a month.>>>



I wonder what they pay their internet propagandists? :hi:
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Billy Burnett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 08:20 PM
Response to Reply #36
37. Do you know how much it costs Cuban Drs for their education and to set up their practice?
Edited on Sat Dec-06-08 08:22 PM by Billy Burnett
Zero.

That is one of the reasons why Cuba has more Drs per capita than any other country.

But, being the expert that you are, I'm sure you already knew that. :eyes:

www.twnside.org.sg/title/learn.htm

Cuba devoted 9.1% of its gross domestic product (GDP) during the 1990s to health care, roughly equivalent to Canadas rate. Its ratio of 5.3 doctors per 1,000 people was the highest in the world.


Sadly for RWers, Cubans prioritize health care and education over baseball, so Drs and teachers do earn more money than BB players - unlike the US.

A 182 peso raise doesn't sound like much, but what counts is what will it buy.

I'm sure you know the relative cost of things in Cuba, due to your vast experience there. :+




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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 06:10 AM
Response to Reply #37
41. I'm certainly glad to see that point made, Billy Burnett. It has been unrealized almost always
in "discussions" with people unacquainted in the difference in what a dollar buys in other countries, unaware there IS a difference.
It's always easy for the propagandists to get them going when they're uninformed about this small detail!

Completely ignorant, but exploding with opinion! Great combination, isn't it? Yikes!

As for priorities, I'm sure the point you made on the logic of paying serious contributors more, you know as I do that people here lament that point over and over. Only the most regressive, limited, stunted, anal types would attempt to promote our current system as intelligently, humanely designed.

How do you imagine it would go over if a lot of US college scholarship students got their education, or others loaded up on school loans then took off for other countries for the rest of their lives? Someone would feel this country was being cheated, and tricked.

Cuba even insists the U.S. citizens who get their medical degree in Cuba, from the Cuban government, in the form of a scholarship, to do a healthy number of years working in the poor sectors, with the poor people of this country who have no medical treatment access. Sounds not only appropriate, but infinitely moral, and something a truly good person wouldn't hesitate to honor, unlike those few (percentage-wise) Cuban doctors who can be lured away from their posts when the US Cuban-Americans or their designated hitters come after them.
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Sex Pistol Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 05:44 PM
Response to Reply #37
42. Nice sidestep Billy Boy. Your completely ignored the matter of the Cuban SLAVE STATE.
With kind of doctors Cuba has (Castro's doc said he will live to 150), if nothing else, they should FREE their baseball players to seek out real doctors in the US.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 05:52 PM
Response to Reply #42
43. Cuba's health care system rivals anything in the United States. If you did any reading you'd know.
Their longevity is as long, and they have a lower incident of infant fatalities.

Their system is the best in Latin America. It's world famous, highly regarded. Just not in Miami, and in the backward redneck areas.



Banned Cuban "exile" sports agent, Joe Cubas.


As for baseball players, your Cuban "exile," Joe Cubas, who used to chase the Cuban baseball players all over the world, meeting them, buying them dinners, getting them drunk, telling them they'd be rich in the United States, arranging smugglers to bring them here got sued by the same players who claim he exploited them, cheated them wildly, stole them blind, sued him, and the baseball association here has banned him from the game permanently. He's still a big hero among certain a-holes in Miami, of course, but he's a hero selling real estate.
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Sex Pistol Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 09:30 PM
Response to Reply #43
52. Oh really. Did Cuba invent CAT scans, CT scans, MRI's, the artificial heart?
Can you name some prominent Cuban drug companies? I didn't think so. I'm sure that there are some decent Cuban doctors; however, they are not FREE to set up a practice anywhere else in the world.

Back to baseball: It would be nice if Castro would allow Cuban baseball players the FREEDOM to seek out honest sports agents. Unfortunately, those who are ENSLAVED have fewer choices than those of us who are FREE.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 10:42 PM
Response to Reply #52
54. You should spend more time doing your homework. DU'ers have discussed Cuban
medical research and medical treatment for years here. It only takes a moment for you to do any short search if you wanted to update your awareness of what has been happening in Cuba. Mere rumor, and delusional gossip among propaganda-feeding gusanos won't give you the facts you need.
~snip~
Yet Cuban biotechnology is now, among other things, leading the way in the development of a new generation of anti-cancer therapies expected to be available to the European market by 2008.

Given Cuba's cash-strapped economy, its scientific achievements are all the more surprising. It has long been battered by the United States trade embargo, imposed in the 1960s and still in force today. After the Cold War ended, Washington tightened the economic screws further with resulting shortages of consumer goods.

When Marxist revolutionary Fidel Castro came to power in 1959, most of Cuba's resources were ploughed into developing education and health systems. In the mid-1980s, with aid from the Soviet Union, Cuba started to invest heavily in science and biotechnology.

Although it is a small country with only 11 million people, it now boasts 52 scientific research institutes in the capital and more than 12,000 scientists on the whole island.

Cuba's health indicators - the infant mortality rate is 6.4 per 1,000 and life expectancy is 75 years - put it in the same league, health-wise, as the US and Britain. The quality and efficiency of its comprehensive, and free, health-care system contrasts sharply with the sluggish and inefficient state-controlled economy.

Cuba pulled off its first scientific coup with the discovery of a new vaccine for meningitis B in the late 1980s. The vaccine controlled epidemics at home, and obtained good results abroad especially in Argentina and Brazil.

Havana's Carlos J. Finlay Institute has entered into a deal that allows major drug multinational GlaxoSmithKline to license its discovery in order to facilitate the first entry of a Cuban medical product into the more lucrative Western market.

Professor Michael Levin, head of the Paediatric Unit at St Mary's Hospital in London, and who is pioneering a joint UK-Cuban medical research project at the Finlay Institute, told this correspondent that despite its economic problems, 'they have excellent laboratories, and their doctors and scientists have maintained world-class standards'.
More:
http://yaleglobal.yale.edu/display.article?id=3193
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Sex Pistol Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 06:14 AM
Response to Reply #54
56. You mean to tell me that all you can come up with is a duplicate vaccine from the 80's?
Edited on Wed Dec-10-08 06:37 AM by Sex Pistol
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Where are all of the Cuban inventions and technological breakthroughs that rival the works of genius which I mentioned? Where are the Cuban drug companies?

You are pathetic Judy Girl. Like all SLAVES states, Cuba is a backward, dark and closed society. You should be ashamed of yourself for trying to sell your snake oil around here.
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 12:54 AM
Response to Reply #52
55. Austria, Hungary and England must be proud of those inventions
from the perspective of corporative america Cuba must be a mirror of the US, that is they should not have the freedom choose their own destiny.
Corporate America wants the best Cubans, Hindus, Russians, Africans, Orientals but what those countries get in return? Nothing, what Cubans have gain from the Smuggled Base ball players, how those millionaires have contributed to Cuba's development?
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Sex Pistol Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 06:16 AM
Response to Reply #55
57. I really can't make out what it is youre trying to say,
but if you are suggesting that millionaire baseball players owe their lives to Castro, you are wrong.
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 10:51 AM
Response to Reply #57
62.  Excuse me, where those baseball players were educated and trained?
CUBA?, bingo, bingo!! so who allow them to become athletes in the first place?

Hey, one thing is to make Cuban born baseball players poster boys for our foreign policies purposes and another is to make Cuban-Americans good baseball players.

BTW the CT scan was invented by an english scientist.
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Sex Pistol Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 08:25 PM
Response to Reply #62
68. Wow! That is one hell of a statement!
You have flawlessly demonstrated the difference between FREEDOM and SLAVERY. You see, the relationship between an individual and the state in a free society is one of volunteerism. But the relationship you have described is one of force.

Clearly, that is distinction which is beyond your realm of comprehension. I pity you, my friend. May your chains rest lightly upon your soul.
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 12:28 AM
Response to Reply #68
72. Really? how come? May freeper land be your next destination
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Sex Pistol Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 06:36 PM
Response to Reply #72
80. If you have to ask, there is no hope for you.
Mate...
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 01:38 AM
Response to Reply #80
96. Good luck with the baseball players argument n/t
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 06:35 AM
Response to Reply #52
58. More information. You really should do your own homework:
Cuban cocktails
The most advanced biotech industry in the developing world exports vaccines around the globe - despite US claims about biological weapons

Ian Sample guardian.co.uk,
Tuesday March 30 2004 08.21 BST

Outright success stories have been hard to come by for Cuba since the collapse of its Soviet ally, but its biotechnology industry is increasingly looking like a triumph. Driven largely by domestic need, home-grown biotech has boosted what was already an advanced healthcare system to the point where Cuba's citizens now enjoy one of the highest life expectancies and most extensive childhood vaccination schemes in the world, and modern anti-retroviral drugs are available for all HIV/Aids patients.
But where Cuba sees success, the US sees danger. According to some elements in the Bush administration, Cuba's biotechnology efforts conceal nefarious goings-on. John Bolton, the under-secretary of state for arms control, says Cuba has at the least a limited offensive biological weapons programme. Other US officials have echoed the warning. Excelling at what could be the most lucrative new technology for decades has apparently landed Cuba in the crosshairs of a trigger-happy administration.

Few outside the US administration give credence to the idea that Cuban scientists are cooking up lethal broths of pathogens. In 2002, Glenn Baker, of the US Centre for Defence Information (CDI), took a team of scientists and former weapons inspectors to Cuba to investigate. They toured nine biotech centres, chosen with help from active intelligence officers, and found nothing to suggest an active weapons programme.

~snip~
Cuba's real biotech agenda is at once more prosaic and ambitious. Having been forced to innovate its way out of the economic hardship imposed by US sanctions, Cuba has found itself equipped with world-class, home-grown biotech expertise and manufacturing facilities. According to experts who have inspected key sites in Cuba, the quality of research and products is world class. Already, Cuba has gained a World Health Organisation licence to provide hepatitis B vaccine for Unicef.

Cuba needs money badly. The country's foreign trade slumped a staggering 85% with the collapse of the eastern bloc in the early 90s, and GDP fell by 35%. Getting into new markets, especially Europe, is regarded as crucial.

That Cuba stands a chance of becoming the only developing nation to be a global player in biotechnology suggests that Fidel Castro's long-held view of science as an economic motor may be paying off. In the 60s and 70s the country's brightest students were sent to university in Russia, Britain, Japan and elsewhere to build up the country's scientific knowledge base. The thinking was that while capitalist countries saw health and education as the fruits of economic growth, Cuba saw it the other way round: a healthy, educated nation was a prerequisite for economic growth.

Cuba now has more than 40 biotech institutions, clustered mostly in the fringes of Havana, employing 12,000 staff, of whom more than 7,000 are scientists. Vaccines and other medical products are exported to more than 50 countries, helping the industry achieve that rare thing - a positive cash flow. Some 80% of the world's biotechnology companies cannot claim to turn a profit, existing on support from speculative venture capitalists.

The pressure on Cuba to succeed in biotech with little outside help has produced an efficient method for turning ideas into products. In the industry's early years, scientists would beaver away in their labs and approach companies if they thought they were on to something. Invariably, industry wasn't interested, or the scientists hadn't seen the right opportunity. Now, Cuban biotech institutes are so-called "closed loop" organisations, housing labs, manufacturing facilities and marketing departments under one roof; ideas get from lab to market in a fraction of the time.

More:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/mar/30/cuba.busine...
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Sex Pistol Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 07:16 AM
Response to Reply #58
60. Your first sentence demonstrates the utter futility of your argument.
<<<The most advanced biotech industry in the developing world exports vaccines around the globe - despite US claims about biological weapons.>>>

Translated: Communist Cuba, the SLAVE state, is open, honest and truthful in all of its dealings. On the other hand, a free country (the US), and your fellow countrymen (I assume youre an American) are all a bunch of closed-minded, dishonest liars. I guess that make perfect sense. :sarcasm:

If Cuba is such an open, advanced and sophisticated society, why are Cubans barred from accessing the internet? And why is it considered to be a third world, or developing nation? :shrug:
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 06:21 PM
Response to Reply #42
44. Maybe it is ignored because it is your uninformed fantasy, not reality.
CAPS, insults and Bush-like nick names aren't going to help you make your lame case either.


I've noticed that you've sidestepped an answer to a question posed to you upthread. What is your experience in Cuba? You appear to have an ax to grind, please do tell.



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Sex Pistol Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 09:31 PM
Response to Reply #44
53. He ignored it, because he has no answer. I have sidestepped nothing.
One does not have to live in SLAVERY to in order to know that SLAVERY is a bad thing.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 09:30 PM
Response to Reply #53
70. I agree, and I fully supported the US military's plan to kill me so they could invade Cuba...
...and overthrow this despot!

U.S. Military Wanted to Provoke War With Cuba
Book: U.S. Military Drafted Plans to Terrorize U.S. Cities to Provoke War With Cuba
By David Ruppe
N E W Y O R K, May 1, 2001

In the early 1960s, America's top military leaders reportedly drafted plans to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Cuba.

Code named Operation Northwoods, the plans reportedly included the possible assassination of Cuban migrs, sinking boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas, hijacking planes, blowing up a U.S. ship, and even orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities.

The plans were developed as ways to trick the American public and the international community into supporting a war to oust Cuba's then new leader, communist Fidel Castro.

America's top military brass even contemplated causing U.S. military casualties, writing: "We could blow up a U.S. ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba," and, "casualty lists in U.S. newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation."


--more--
ABC News

GO USA!!! GO USA!!! GO USA!!!

:sarcasm:

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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 09:40 PM
Response to Reply #70
71. I wholeheartedly agree with you, and believe they also should have killed me in order to provoke
a bogus war with Cuba in order to destroy that revolutionary despot who dared to overthrow the butcher puppet Batista!

Operation Northwoods. What a stroke of genius.

:sarcasm:

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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 12:34 AM
Response to Reply #70
73. Our guest is mute on this one
;-)
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Billy Burnett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 08:58 PM
Response to Reply #53
90. Where did you post your actual experience in Cuba?
You say that you've sidestepped nothing, yet I see no answer to the question posed to you several times.

Please tell us about your personal experience in Cuba.

Thanks.


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Billy Burnett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-08 11:42 AM
Response to Reply #90
99. Kicking for a post about Sex_P's experience in Cuba, that was sidestepped several times now..
Still waiting.


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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 08:55 PM
Response to Reply #44
89. Yea, I noticed the CAPS too.
All his buzzwords are capitalized. I'll bet he eats FREEDOM fries with his FREEDOM toast.
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Billy Burnett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 09:00 PM
Response to Reply #89
92. Please use the applicable spelling!
Edited on Thu Dec-11-08 09:00 PM by Billy Burnett
FREEDUMB fries FREEDUMB toast.

;) ;)


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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 08:06 AM
Response to Reply #42
61. This is absolutely f*cking hysterical!
You are "debating" the facts of Cuba's free, advanced and efficient
health service with rants about fucking baseball players?!?!?!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Mods: Please don't tombstone this one yet as it's just too funny! :patriot:
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Sex Pistol Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 08:29 PM
Response to Reply #61
69. As in nihilist...?
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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 04:32 AM
Response to Reply #69
74. As opposed to a right-wing Batista supporter with an "Anarchy" avatar ...?
I think you might need to ask your mum who the Sex Pistols were ...
:rofl:
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Sex Pistol Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 06:55 PM
Response to Reply #74
81. Nihilie, you are living in the past, son. Your straw man is a dead man.
But do not fear, for your slave master lives on.

For now... :hi:
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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 07:09 PM
Response to Reply #81
82. Straw man? From Mr "Baseball players are worth more than a free health service"?
Like I said upthread, your main attack seems to be that the facts of Cuba's
free, advanced and efficient health service are mere nothings compared to
the salaries of some non-entity baseball players!

Boy, you need to get a grip ...
:crazy:
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Billy Burnett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 07:21 PM
Response to Reply #82
83. Facts? We don't need no stinkin' facts.
EVERYBODY knows what Sex_P knows about Cuba. :crazy:






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Sex Pistol Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 07:39 PM
Response to Reply #82
85. Free...? You can have it. As for me, I'd rather play baseball.
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Billy Burnett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 08:40 PM
Response to Reply #85
87. That photo wasn't taken in Cuba.
The real Cuba dot com posted them, They're not from Cuba.

Even the Miami Herald issued a correction when that rag printed them a few years ago claiming that they were from Cuba.


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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 06:02 AM
Response to Reply #87
97. I think I've found who the creator of that site is! It's Rafael Romn Martel.
I have looked to try to find out who the clown is other times when gusanos pasted his crapfest into message board threads, without any luck. As you can tell, from The Real Cuba website, his name doesn't show up anywhere on it. It's not to be found. It took forever to run it down.

Here's a sample of some dazzling intellectual gifts from another of his websites, http://rafaelmartel.com/the-rise-of-populism-in-america /
The Rise of Populism in America
By Frances Martel

Ah, populism: the pet buzzword of Latin American dictators and shell of an ideology that authoritarian turtles throughout the centuries have preferred to wear. Luckily for us Americans, we know little of this bizarre tropical phenomenon outside of local political heroes in majority-minority regions like Hudson County, NJ and Miami-Dade County, FL. Our presidential elections rarely come down to gender roles, religious practices, social classes or cultural heritage like they have done in Bolivia, Peru, Ecuador, or Argentina, because, unlike those countries, America actually has governmental policy issues to attend to. All our presidential candidates are wealthy, white, male and career politicians with experience in both the domestic and foreign realms, and we like it that way.
http://rafaelmartel.com/the-rise-of-populism-in-america /

If you've ever heard anything about this bozo (recalling Richard M. Nixon's good Cuban "exile" right-winger Florida friend was "Bebe" Rebozo.) please feel free to add it. I'm going to try to remember his name so I can look for more on him when I get some free time.
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 03:22 PM
Response to Reply #85
98. No, you'd rather post pictures
that YOU KNOW are false. This one thing about you tells me everything I need to know about your character.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 03:03 PM
Response to Reply #9
65. Think again....
Zoom in on his left hand and you'll see that there is very sharp pixel contrast. This wasn't the best photoshop job. Odd that there is no audio or video of this last BIG announcement, don't you think?
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 05:09 AM
Response to Reply #65
75. Absolutely. It appears to have fooled the Russian Orthodox Church, which published it
on its own website, and the BBC News, which also published the photo. You should set them straight.
Page last updated at 12:07 GMT, Friday, 14 November 2008
Photo reveals frail Fidel Castro



Fidel Castro, with Metropolitan Kirill,
pictured on 20 October.

Fidel Castro has not been seen in public
for more than two years

The first photograph of former Cuban President Fidel Castro to be seen in five months has been published on the website of the Russian Orthodox Church.

It shows the 82-year-old, leaning on the arm of a senior church official, looking frail but alert.

The church said it had been taken on 20 October, at the consecration of a new Orthodox cathedral in Havana.

Mr Castro has not been seen in public since July 2006, when he underwent emergency intestinal surgery.

He has since appeared only in official videos and photographs.

More:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7729254.stm

Engage your brain, or what you're using as a brain. Have someone standing somewhat near you from you put a firm grip on someone's covered arm, someone wearing black. You'll find you don't see the part of their hand hidden by the sleeve. Some magicians do tricks standing in front of black material, because the dumbest people in the audience think things have disappeared when they go behind the black fabric. Others apparently may think it's a communist plot. Doesn't take a rocket scientist.

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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 10:17 AM
Response to Reply #75
76. Try thinking outside the box a little...
Edited on Thu Dec-11-08 10:17 AM by WriteDown
He's actually so healthy that he is one of the stars in the next Pirates of the Caribbean movie.



Do you not think its odd that ol' Fidel can walk around with priests but can't supply ANY live audio or video of himself for months?



edited link.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 12:08 PM
Response to Reply #76
78. Who do you imagine that man is who looks like an aging, ill Fidel Castro, anyway?
There aren't that many people who could substitute for him in photos taken with people like the Russian Orthodox Church's Metropolitan, and the Brazilian President, Luis Inacio Lula da Silva.





His head is so uniquely formed, they'd have a hell of a time trying to find another just like it they could use when they involved the Russian Orthodox official and the President of South America's largest country in a complete sham, something it's completely impossible to get their permission to perpetrate.
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mountainvue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 11:02 AM
Response to Reply #7
63. Haha... My first thought when I saw the headline
was Who's realy writing this shit?
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 05:11 PM
Response to Reply #63
67. It's an AP article by Anita Snow, which appeared in the Miami Herald. n/t
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 11:16 AM
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24. Talk is good
I would love for our country to have normal relations with our neighbor. I remember back when the C in C&H sugar was for Cuba. Yep I'm old. IIRC the H was for hawaii but I may be wrong with that one.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 12:37 PM
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33. good.... dialogue is always a good thing
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Zorro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 01:19 PM
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34. IMHO nothing will change until Fidel is dead
I think the best thing Fidel can do for Cuba now is to croak in the near future.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 05:30 PM
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35. Viva Obama! Viva Fidel!
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 09:26 PM
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38. "a conversation can be held wherever he wants,"
....it sounds to me like Fidel is offer his hand in a sincere act of friendship....I hope Obama is a big enough man to accept it....
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 04:25 AM
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40. Del Toro attends screening of 'Che' in Havana
Del Toro attends screening of 'Che' in Havana
December 6th, 2008 @ 7:39pm



Cuban Army Col. Leonardo Tamayo Nunez, who fought alongside 'Che'
Guevara in Cuba and Bolivia, shares a moment with Puerto Rico's actor
Benicio Del Toro during the premier of the movie 'Che', by U.S.
director Steven Soderbergh, at the Latin American Film Festival at the
Yara theater in Havana, Saturday, Dec.6, 2008. Del Toro plays the
Argentinean-born revolutionary leader in the film.(AP Photo/Javier Galeano)

HAVANA (AP) - Actor Benicio del Toro says protesters at the Miami screening of "Che" should have watched the film first.

Del Toro plays Argentine-born Ernesto "Che" Guevara, a hero of the Cuban revolution and global icon. He says the role was difficult and took a lot of time.

Cuban exiles protested the movie in Miami last week. Many opposed Guevara for executions of officials from Fulgencio Batista's government, which was toppled in 1959.

But del Toro says "a lot of the people protesting the movie hadn't seen it."

More:
http://www.620ktar.com/?nid=46&sid=1004372
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 06:30 PM
Response to Reply #40
45. I can hardly wait to cut my way through the theater protests to see it.
Edited on Sun Dec-07-08 06:31 PM by Mika
I'll have to wear a helmet and a raincoat to protect from the D cell batteries and the urine filled balloons the crazy exiles are famous for throwing at citizens participating in freedom.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_go1655/is_/ai_n28...

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&newwindow=1&safe=off...
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JustAnotherGen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 07:16 PM
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46. Way way off topic
But has anyone ever noticed that Castro always seems to be wearing Adidas sweat suits?

I keep waiting for him to break out with, "I need love." (Sorry - Classic Rap song from my youth). All he needs his a Kangol hat and he could be LL's long lost much older Cuban brother.


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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 08:31 PM
Response to Reply #46
50. He's very ill. Sick people are often known to not be wildly stylish. n/t
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 08:59 PM
Response to Reply #46
91. He's sick.
I am often sick, and I wear the most comfortable clothes possible. Sweat suits are cuddly and comfortable.
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 07:18 PM
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47. you're posting an article from the evil Miami Herald?
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 08:28 PM
Response to Reply #47
49. Engage your brain. They ran an AP story I posted. n/t
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 08:35 PM
Response to Reply #47
51. Reveals Judi Lynn's open minded approach.
One, among many, reason that she is such a valued DUer.

Three cheers for Judi Lynn. :toast: :toast: :toast:


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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 07:05 AM
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59. This embargo is absurd....
and needs to end.
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vincent_vega_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 03:06 PM
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66. HRW on Cuba
http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2008/02/18/cuba-fidel-castro...

Despite Fidel Castros resignation today, Cubas abusive legal and institutional mechanisms continue to deprive Cubans of their basic rights, Human Rights Watch said today. The counterproductive US embargo policy continues to give the Cuban government a pretext for human rights violations.

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Billy Burnett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 10:54 AM
Response to Reply #66
77. Worst thing is that it deprives them of mega-million dollar baseball contracts.
Cubans really should give up their health care, ed and other world class social infrastructures so that they can ingratiate players and owners with multi million dollar stadia and contracts. Then they could be more like the US of A.


:sarcasm:


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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 12:32 PM
Response to Reply #77
79. What's not to like about that plan? They could have their own homeless population, too!
:sarcasm:
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Sex Pistol Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 07:34 PM
Response to Reply #79
84. A few things not to like about Cuban health care...




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Billy Burnett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 08:32 PM
Response to Reply #84
86. I see you're linking those false photos from the real Cuba dot com.
Edited on Thu Dec-11-08 08:41 PM by Billy Burnett
Pathetic.

(By false, I mean they were not taken in Cuba. Those pics were taken in Mexico and some Lat AM countries.)


Even the Miami Herald had to print a correction when that fish wrap printed them a few years ago.


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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 09:02 PM
Response to Reply #86
93. In his mind, truth is relative.
In his mind, Cuba cannot be better than the U.S. at anything. He can't have people believing the truth, so he'll post his pictures as many times and in as many places as possible.

He's not trying to convince us. He's trying to convince himself.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 01:36 AM
Response to Reply #86
95. Some tube tried to pass those things off years ago at the old CNN US-Cuba relations board.
Laughed out of town from what I recall. Truly pathetic, as you say. That site is operated by reactionary winger Cuban "exiles," isn't it?

They think ordinary Americans are stupid. (They must have gotten that idea from the fact the Cuban Adjustment Act has been allowed to stand, and millions keep pouring into their pork barrel black holes, Radio and TV Martis.

They're just making it harder for themselves, because eventually Cuba will be available to the rest of us and their squalid lies about life in Cuba will be the subject of excessive laughter from coast to coast. They don't have much standing to spare, after they made perfect asses of themselves over Elian Gonzalez and the Latin Grammies, etc.
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 09:55 PM
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94. These photos are used by right wingers in Miami
You could also put up a photo like this that celebrates the Cuban people and their achievements in education:

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