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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 02:34 PM
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UBS U.S. clients with secret Swiss accounts to seek amnesty on tax evasion
Source: RTT News

The Wall Street Journal reported Sunday that U.S. cross-border investors of Swiss financial services firm UBS AG (UBS: News ) are seeking amnesty for evading income tax. The bank had helped about 20,000 U.S. customers evade income tax by concealing around $20 billion in assets from the Internal Revenue Service, or IRS.

Reports suggest that UBS's cross-border investors are hiring tax lawyers and pursuing amnesty through an IRS voluntary disclosure program, fearing that the Swiss government would assist in the probe. Under the program, U.S. taxpayers can voluntarily acknowledge tax evasion and agree to pay taxes and penalties, in order to avoid criminal prosecution.

UBS stated on July 17 that it will cease providing cross-border private banking services to US-domiciled clients through its non-US regulated units. The company also said that it is fully cooperating with the investigation and working with all relevant authorities for a satisfactory resolution of the matter.

Meanwhile, the voluntary disclosure move is seen as a boon to IRS, as it could be impossible for the weakly staffed IRS to go after the nearly 20,000 customers. The move close on heels of the Swiss government having accelerated talks aimed at accessing data on the offshore accounts of U.S. taxpayers.

Read more: http://www.rttnews.com/Content/BreakingNews.aspx?Node=B...



The criminals are just to pay taxes and penalties, no jail time. SOP for this administration.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 02:44 PM
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1. Those who seek may not find...
And, if they were doing this to avoid paying taxes they should have paid, I hope they don't get amnesty. I hope their names appear in public where we can all see them, and I hope they get substantial fines and jail time if the amounts are large.

I'm 63 years old, and since I was 16 years old, I have filed and paid every penny of tax I owed. I have absolutely zero tolerance for those who avoid their responsibilities.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 02:47 PM
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3. Substantial fines, no jail time, and all back taxes paid.
We want the money, not the responsibility of feeding them for eight years.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 02:49 PM
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5. I'D like to see them jailed.
Swap them out for marijuana offenders.

No problems.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 03:48 PM
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16. give them nothing. tell them we outsourced amnesty to Uzbekistan
they should catch a flight. soon.
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 02:45 PM
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2. only in america
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 03:25 PM
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14. Shouldn't it be.....
only in Switzerland? :shrug:
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hughee99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 02:48 PM
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4. At the moment...
The government could probably do with the money rather than getting the money (maybe) eventually after spending millions in court costs and letting most of these a-holes slip through their fingers because they don't have sufficient IRS resources to go after them all.

Clearly not a good resolution, though.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 02:53 PM
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7. True enough, but
I really want to see a detailed list of the names. Kind of like the lists of johns that get put out every so often. I want to know who's been cheating on their taxes while I paid 100% of mine each year.

I want to see who's not paying his/her way. I want to pillory them in public. I'd like to publicize those names in their local communities and see their names in the newspaper, along with a "no comment" from then, with the total that they avoided printed, along with the penalty they had to pay.

They're criminals. So, let's treat them as criminals.
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hughee99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 02:56 PM
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9. I 100% agree. Amnesty from prosecution doesn't mean confidentiality, too. n/t
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 02:52 PM
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6. Our government seizes the property of drug dealers
So why can't we do the same to admitted tax evaders? These people KNEW what they were doing was illegal -- grab their assets, and give them a home in a Federal penitentiary.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 03:07 PM
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11. I agree.
Seize their assets, their property, and send them to Leavenworth!
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 05:19 AM
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21. and no hot meals, either!
n/t
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mbperrin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 01:59 PM
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26. Good - publicize their names, seize their assets, BUT
put 'em on the street - after all, they don't believe in living off the government, right?
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 02:56 PM
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8. Amnesty for illegal border crossings?
I thought Republicans were 100% four square against that. Oh, we're talking about money, not people? All is forgiven! As the good book says, no one can serve two masters, and the Republicans don't even bother to claim that they're serving the United States or its people (just as well, because no one should believe them); they're entire raison d'etre is slavish devotion to money, money, beautiful money.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 03:06 PM
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10. Speaking of tax cheats, whatever happened to the Lichtenstein crowd?
Hundreds of super-rich American tax cheats have, in effect, turned themselves in to the IRS after a bank computer technician in the tiny European country of Liechtenstein came forward with the names of US citizens who had set up secret accounts there, according to Washington lawyers investigating the scheme.

The bank clerk, Heinrich Kieber, has been branded a thief by the government of Liechtenstein for violating the country's bank secrecy laws.

He is now in hiding but scheduled to testify to the Senate's Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations Thursday via a video statement from a secret location, according to Congressional investigators.


Huffington Post

Some more of Bush's base: the "haves" and the "have mores"
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gravity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 03:17 PM
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12. Fuck it
As long as they pay their taxes and penalties, I am fine with this. There is no point in giving people incentives to avoid paying taxes longer.

But if the IRS has to bring your ass to court, then you deserve jail time.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 04:36 PM
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17. Which leaves them free to find the next bank who will hide their cash for them
You fine with that?

The IRS has already told them (and everyone) that they don't have the agents to follow up on this type of crime.

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nebenaube Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 01:05 PM
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22. Sure they do...
They just audited a friend of mine last year who barely makes $16k a year, grows her own food and schools her own children because apparently she can't possibly live on $16k a year. I guess it's possible when you're healthy, don't eat meat and don't own a car.
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benld74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 03:20 PM
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13. Amnesty my aching ass! Pay up you dead beats, I paid mine!!!
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lxlxlxl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 03:40 PM
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15. Get every dime from these criminals...Every government in the world needs to steup up
Every government program is forced to beg for pennies, while the reality is that wealthy people are ducking their responsibilities as citizens.

Withholding taxes at some point becomes a social stability issue, these people are forcing public programs to fail, and the instability that safety net failures promote are their fault.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 01:55 PM
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25. Here's a good Finance committee hearing where the fact
that this is an international problem is discussed by witness, Jack Blum and Senator Kerry. (starting at about 1 hr 15 minutes) The hearing was on the problems with the Cayman Islands. This whole hearing is very interesting - with all the Senators speaking of the vast revenues lost because of this

To get the link to watch - scroll down to July 24 th - and click to see. http://finance.senate.gov/sitepages/hearings.htm
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Hotler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 08:08 PM
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18. They're not only tax cheats...
Edited on Tue Nov-25-08 08:09 PM by Hotler
they're unpatriotic tax cheats. I bet they out source jobs as well. A few no bid contracts from the DOD. I have mine fuck everybody else.
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Doremus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 09:16 PM
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19. So Phil Gramm skates again. Who woulda thunk. >roll eyes
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 04:51 AM
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20. the irs is sending me reminders that i still owe
several thousand in back taxes on the 401 i cashed out 6yrs ago....it`s the percentage each month in penalties that is the killer not the principal.

if i have to pay so should those fuckers who went off shore to hide their money...
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 01:11 PM
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23. I agree that they should pay bigtime......
but why on Earth are you evading your taxes?
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 01:15 PM
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24. At least they should require the names be made public
If there are public officials on the list, this should be considered an ethics violation - as well as a crime.

If the Swiss government is indeed cooperating, I don't think they should give amnesty. These 20,000 customers KNEW they were breaking the law. Just because they are wealthy, well dressed, "pillars of their community" types doesn't mean they should get a break - if anything, there should be less sympathy for them than for poorer thieves. They didn't really even NEED the money saved by defrauding the government.
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