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Truth Teller (479 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Nov-14-08 03:03 PM
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Army general is nation's first four-star woman
Source: CNN

An Army lieutenant general has become the first woman in U.S. military history to get four stars.

The military on Friday promoted Lt. Gen. Ann E. Dunwoody, who has served in several command positions in her 33-year Army career.

She will command Army Materiel Command, responsible for equipping, arming and outfitting soldiers.



Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/11/14/woman.4.star.general/?...
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   Candidate for the Joint Chiefs someday?  bluestateguy   Nov-14-08 03:05 PM   #1 
   I don't think so  BOSSHOG   Nov-14-08 03:33 PM   #3 
   First Four Star Woman?  JustFiveMoreMinutes   Nov-14-08 03:20 PM   #2 
   I don't beleive that there have been any female 4 Star Navy Admirals, nor  Freddie Stubbs   Nov-14-08 03:39 PM   #4 
   I understand the big deal... the grammar is what's bad. n/t  JustFiveMoreMinutes   Nov-14-08 03:43 PM   #5 
   Yours is broken too.  AtheistCrusader   Nov-14-08 05:12 PM   #9 
      As a woman and an Army Veteran, I despise all use of the word "Female."  ShortnFiery   Nov-15-08 03:34 AM   #20 
   This is certainly  jb5150   Nov-14-08 04:21 PM   #6 
   It's great news, I think n/t  Truth Teller   Nov-14-08 04:27 PM   #7 
   Wow, That's Fantastic!  DarthDem   Nov-14-08 05:07 PM   #8 
   Yay!!!!  ann_american2004   Nov-14-08 05:44 PM   #10 
   Dunwoody becomes first female four-star general  Akoto   Nov-14-08 11:24 PM   #11 
   Congrats to her!  cui bono   Nov-14-08 11:24 PM   #12 
   I like her "astonished man" comment. Good for her.  Fed_Up_Grammy   Nov-14-08 11:24 PM   #13 
   I like that comment as well.  glowing   Nov-14-08 11:24 PM   #15 
   Is there still like a 30% change she'll be raped by our own troops?  IanDB1   Nov-14-08 11:24 PM   #14 
   That's a combined leadership problem. The tone is set by the individual commanders  ShortnFiery   Nov-15-08 03:51 AM   #22 
   What does a 4-star general retire at? About a half million dollars a year w/ all medical benefits &  GreenTea   Nov-14-08 11:24 PM   #16 
   According to About.com, a four star is level O-10  tclambert   Nov-14-08 11:25 PM   #17 
   Half a million? Not even close  Catch22Dem   Nov-15-08 09:17 AM   #23 
   I suddenly felt old when I discovered she joined the service....  BrotherBuzz   Nov-14-08 11:25 PM   #18 
   The freepers are *pissed*  Posteritatis   Nov-15-08 03:16 AM   #19 
   I love when they get all macho and pissy.  ShortnFiery   Nov-15-08 03:47 AM   #21 
   Wow, freepers really do feel threatened  Truth Teller   Nov-15-08 09:48 AM   #24 
      Tell me about it  Posteritatis   Nov-15-08 01:06 PM   #27 
         I can't help tracking a story like this over there  Truth Teller   Nov-15-08 02:43 PM   #29 
   Thanks for posting this - it is great news for this dedicated General and all women in the Military!  1776Forever   Nov-15-08 09:59 AM   #25 
      ignore the broken "glass ceiling" angle, the real story is the pentagon photo shopped the background  ohio2007   Nov-15-08 12:06 PM   #26 
         I disagree  Truth Teller   Nov-15-08 02:42 PM   #28 
 
bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Nov-14-08 03:05 PM
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1. Candidate for the Joint Chiefs someday?
I believe there has never been a woman on the Joint Chiefs.
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Nov-14-08 03:33 PM
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3. I don't think so
General Dunwoody is a staff officer in supply. Most likely would not end up in the JCS. I'm very happy for her and all women in uniform. I had some very competent female shipmates and bosses in the Navy. Not all, but not all male bosses were competent either.
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JustFiveMoreMinutes (965 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Nov-14-08 03:20 PM
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2. First Four Star Woman?
I dunno, isn't this is misplaced modifier or something.

Should it be Woman becomes first 4-Star Army General
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Nov-14-08 03:39 PM
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4. I don't beleive that there have been any female 4 Star Navy Admirals, nor
any female 4 Star Air Force Generals, nor female 4 Star Marine Generals, nor and 4 Star Coast Guard Admirals.

This is a really big deal.
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JustFiveMoreMinutes (965 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Nov-14-08 03:43 PM
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5. I understand the big deal... the grammar is what's bad. n/t
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Nov-14-08 05:12 PM
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9. Yours is broken too.
"Woman becomes first 4-Star Army General"

We've had lots of 4-Star Army Generals. Your woman modifier is misplaced. I would suggest 'First Female 4-Star Army General'.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Sat Nov-15-08 03:34 AM
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20. As a woman and an Army Veteran, I despise all use of the word "Female."
Edited on Sat Nov-15-08 03:39 AM by ShortnFiery
This excellent role model earned her rank as she's been in the US Army since "Jesus was a Corporal." (1976) That was during the initial days that women were being mainstreamed from the Women's Army Corps to the Regular Army.

As someone who pulled four years Active Duty in the early 1980s, I can attest to a continued attitude of RESENTMENT from many men (subordinates, peers and superiors).

On Point: The men always refereed to women as "Fee-males." You had to be there but the way that some of the mean-spirited men would enunciate that word ... well, it was not a complementary tone.

Even if it's not grammatically correct, I will opt to use WOMEN or WOMAN instead of the IMO disgusting word (to me) *Feeeeeeee-male(s).* :grr: :puke:

On Edit: When my opinion is set, I've not been known to "modify" much. :hi:
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jb5150 (196 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Nov-14-08 04:21 PM
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6. This is certainly
a year for firsts ... :applause:
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Truth Teller (479 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Nov-14-08 04:27 PM
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7. It's great news, I think n/t
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DarthDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Nov-14-08 05:07 PM
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8. Wow, That's Fantastic!

The world is changing. Congrats to Gen. Dunwoody.
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ann_american2004 (480 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Nov-14-08 05:44 PM
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10. Yay!!!!
n/t
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Akoto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Nov-14-08 11:24 PM
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11. Dunwoody becomes first female four-star general
Source: Associated Press

WASHINGTON (AP) — Call it breaking the brass ceiling. Ann E. Dunwoody, after 33 years in the Army, ascended Friday to a peak never before reached by a woman in the U.S. military: four-star general. At an emotional promotion ceremony, Dunwoody looked back on her years in uniform and said it was a credit to the Army — and a great surprise to her — that she would make history in a male-dominated military.

"Thirty-three years after I took the oath as a second lieutenant, I have to tell you this is not exactly how I envisioned my life unfolding," she told a standing-room-only auditorium crowd. "Even as a young kid, all I ever wanted to do was teach physical education and raise a family.

"It was clear to me that my Army experience was just going to be a two-year detour en route to my fitness profession," she added. "So when asked, `Ann, did you ever think you were going to be a general officer, to say nothing about a four-star?' I say, `Not in my wildest dreams.'

"There is no one more surprised than I — except, of course, my husband. You know what they say, `Behind every successful woman there is an astonished man.' "

Read more: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gOVHj...
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Nov-14-08 11:24 PM
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12. Congrats to her!
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Fed_Up_Grammy (923 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Nov-14-08 11:24 PM
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13. I like her "astonished man" comment. Good for her.
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Nov-14-08 11:24 PM
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15. I like that comment as well.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Nov-14-08 11:24 PM
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14. Is there still like a 30% change she'll be raped by our own troops? Updated at 5:48 PM
Edited on Fri Nov-14-08 08:17 PM by IanDB1
Will she manage to fix THAT problem?
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Sat Nov-15-08 03:51 AM
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22. That's a combined leadership problem. The tone is set by the individual commanders
and mostly at the Company Level. I would recommend that any young woman considering military service opt for ROTC and enter the service as an Officer. It's much more difficult to be coerced into compromising positions if you don't start out on the lowest rung of the Enlisted ranks.
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GreenTea (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Nov-14-08 11:24 PM
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16. What does a 4-star general retire at? About a half million dollars a year w/ all medical benefits &
Edited on Fri Nov-14-08 08:41 PM by GreenTea
free golf and meals at any US base in the world?

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17. According to About.com, a four star is level O-10
"The rank of U.S. Army general is the most senior in that branch of the armed services. It is designated as O-10 on the military pay scale, which means a salary of about $14,000 to $17,000 per month, depending on the number of years of service."

That works out to $168,000 to $204,000 per year. Sorry, I couldn't find the retirement details. I think the usual scenario is you go work for a military contractor for ten times the money, or do guest commentaries on cable news shows.
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Catch22Dem (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-15-08 09:17 AM
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23. Half a million? Not even close
Monthly retirement pay for an O-10 with 30+ years of service is a little under $10K. She'll get somewhere in the neighborhood of $112K/yr. when she retires.
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18. I suddenly felt old when I discovered she joined the service....
the year after I left the Army. Good going, General!
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-15-08 03:16 AM
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19. The freepers are *pissed*
Rather entertaining to follow over there. Dumbasses.

Amateurs, strategy, professionals, etc.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Sat Nov-15-08 03:47 AM
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21. I love when they get all macho and pissy.
:evilgrin:

They seemingly have issues that men who are secure in themselves need not address.
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Truth Teller (479 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-15-08 09:48 AM
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24. Wow, freepers really do feel threatened
Kind of fun watching some heads explode... :)

Done woody, indeed.

More like, No woody.

Peppermint Patton.

Isn’t that cute.

So I was never an officer or anything, but before you get that 4th star, hadn’t you better conquer Europe or Asia or something? LOGISTICS???????

Four Stars and no combat experience. Ya’ she will be a real asset. Affirmative action at its finest.

The feminizing of our military is almost complete. Just in time for Barack’s “manly” civil defense corps.

But affirmative action is not good policy anywhere, least of all the military.

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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-15-08 01:06 PM
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27. Tell me about it
They seem to have forgotten that Dwight Fucking Eisenhower never directly saw combat and did a lot of his own work in logistics too, but I guess such nuances roll off their backs.

Seriously though, considering how frothingly pro-military they tend to be, coupled with the fact that a lot of them really do believe that the US is-as-opposed-to-merely-should-be a place where there are no barriers, I actually am a little surprised at out outraged they were over this. I'm not entirely surprised, seeing as she is a woman and a logistician, but I expected a bit less vitriol over it than they're showing. Wow.
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Truth Teller (479 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-15-08 02:43 PM
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29. I can't help tracking a story like this over there
Edited on Sat Nov-15-08 02:43 PM by Truth Teller
It was running about 50/50.
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-15-08 09:59 AM
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25. Thanks for posting this - it is great news for this dedicated General and all women in the Military!
:patriot:
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ohio2007 (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-15-08 12:06 PM
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26. ignore the broken "glass ceiling" angle, the real story is the pentagon photo shopped the background
Edited on Sat Nov-15-08 12:08 PM by ohio2007
this pic has outraged and was redirected by the MSM as the main talking point


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

'mission accomplished'
/sarc
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Truth Teller (479 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-15-08 02:42 PM
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28. I disagree
The lousy photoshop was a bad idea, but her promotion is the bigger story.
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