SC priest: No communion for Obama supporters

Source: AP by way of Yahoo

COLUMBIA, S.C. – A South Carolina Roman Catholic priest has told his parishioners that they should refrain from receiving Holy Communion if they voted for Barack Obama because the Democratic president-elect supports abortion, and supporting him "constitutes material cooperation with intrinsic evil."

The Rev. Jay Scott Newman said in a letter distributed Sunday to parishioners at St. Mary's Catholic Church in Greenville that they are putting their souls at risk if they take Holy Communion before doing penance for their vote.

"Our nation has chosen for its chief executive the most radical pro-abortion politician ever to serve in the United States Senate or to run for president," Newman wrote, referring to Obama by his full name, including his middle name of Hussein.



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whatta maroon... with apologies to the good decent maroons out there...

and my parents wonder why i think the catholic church is a load of crap. stuff like this pops immediately to mind.

temporarily pull tax-exemption. Then if they do it again, tax them permanently.

OMG I'm really mad at this one!

Love those ignorant churchers...

can't keep their hands out of people's pants.

He didn't tell anyone they CAN'T vote for Obama, this is after the fact.

He's only suggesting they do pennance or refrain from communion.

BUT since Obama himself is pro-life but simply thinks the law is the law, the priest is off his rocker and should be censured by the Church itself.

What a maroon is right.

Thus Father Newman did NOT violate the IRS rules as to tax exempt churches, he said NOTHING during the Campaign for or against any one candidate. Thus he complied with the law.

Now as to Church law, one has to be WARNED before one can be excommunicated. i.e. you must KNOW what you are doing to be a ex-communicable sin BEFORE you do it to be excommunicated. Here that is NOT the case, his Bishop should reverse this action. If the Bishop does NOT a direct appeal to the Vatican on this excommunication can be made.

The Catholic Church is a bureaucratic and legalistic organization, you have the right to some sort of hearing. Many parishes don't give them but any Catholic has a right to a hearing. If none is given then contact your local Parish Chancellor, he has the authority to hold the hearing and reverse this decision by Rev. Newman. This "ruling" should NOT stand, the Bishop should reverse it within the next week, and if the Bishop does NOT do it demand a hearing by the Parish Chancellor.

How sure are you that you're correct?

The IRS rule is simple, it forbids any tax exempt charities, who want tax exemption from the IRS, NOT to endorse or oppose any particular candidate. Issues are a different matter. The church can rally against Abortion, the death penalty etc. The charity can call for people to write their congressmen on these and other issues. The Charity can attack any politician whose position they oppose PROVIDED it is not done in an election campaign from property owned by the Charity or from resources of the Charity (i.e. can not use non taxable funds to attack a candidate, but can set up a taxable subsidy to do so).

Remember also there are two types of Tax exemption. The one most people talk about is the Federal Income Tax Exemption. This exemption applies to the Charity's income AND the donation to that charity. Since there is no Federal Real Estate tax, there is NO exemption from use of the Charities property (Provided it is a public forum open to everyone, most are not). The only issue as to real estate taxation and FEDERAL income taxation is whether tax deducible money was involved as to purchase of the asset, but just because your income comes from other people tax deduction does NOT mean you can NOT speak up on a political subject. While the property can NOT be used for Political purposes, people paid with those donations can (Through NOT on the Charity's non-taxable property).

Now, most states and local governments provide another tax exemption, one from local real estate taxation. Basically the same rules apply (i.e. no political activity on the tax exempt property UNLESS it is open to people with ANY political position including those opposed by the tax exempt charity). The big exemption is if the property makes money, i.e. a commercial Establishment. If that is the case, most (if not all) States and local government call it commercial and real estate taxation must be paid. This is sometime a hard line to draw, for charities can raise money in various ways the only issue is of the method is a commercially viable one (And then only to the Real Estate Taxation, the IRS rules generally exempts such income). For example I know of one Volunteer Fire Department that runs a Carnival each year for two weeks in the summer, the rest of the year the area the Carnival in held is paid parking lot. Given BOTH uses, the lot is taxable, even through all the proceeds go to charity (i.e. the Volunteer Fire Department). Churches often use their parking lots for the same purpose (i.e. a Carnival) but get no money for the rest of the year for it is a parking lot used by the Charity. As such the lot is NOT taxable. These are the easy cases, the harder cases the difference is less clear and a constant form of tax dispute between local government and local Charities. Given that most of these are long standing, most have been resolved by the courts, but every so often something changes and the Charities and local Government are back in court again.

Remember the Government does NOT want tax deduction to be used for electioneering but also does NOT want to interfere with Free Speech. It is a hard line to draw and the above gives you an outline of how the Government (Federal, State and Local) have tried to do it.

which is why demanding that the Mormon church be taxed is a waste of time. They can speak to issues all they want, churches have been doing it for thousands of years: poverty, abortion, homosexuality, what have you.

The Vatican will make an excellent site for a theme-casino. I can picture slot machines in the Sistine chapel, a bar/dance floor under the St. Peter's dome etc. It already has a big hotel!! Plus, it is sovereign and thus Italian laws don't apply there hahaha.

Why shutter the doors?

The nuns tortured me, and my monsignor couldn't come to perform the last rites on my Grandfather because he was watching a Mets game.
Asshole.

I am Irish, just like my mother who is 77 years old.
We don't agree on much, but what we DO agree on is this...

FUCK THE CHURCH.

Are the reason I'm no longer Catholic.

I am so glad I am not into religion as it is all a money making game

Now they are exploring new avenues of manipulation.

is the official travel agent for guilt trips!

Recovered catholic, here!

I'm a recovered catholic, too. Come on over. We'll have communion wafers and salsa!

Just another reason not to get around the Church Types.

as I am sure some were turned off. I also think the Pope is behind this. Promoting this. I do not like this Pope. There is a portion of the Catholic Church media that has been really upset with the Pope's push to evangelisize the Catholic Church.

He might be a 17th-century fundy goober, but I think he pales in comparison to the almost militant churches of the US.

And we'll fine you $100,000,000 for your stupid comment.

Hawkeye-X

I'm sure Christ wasn't for the arming of America in a big way. How many accidental and deliberate killings were done over last 100 years because of weapons.

The Catholic church has condemned both of them, too.

It's this selectivity by the far right wing of the church that really turns me off.

because it's tainted, or blood money, or whatever.

"I want you to take that SIIIIIIN out of your pocket and put it in the collection plate when it comes around to ya!"



Bake

Strange how the very scripture the fundamentalists fear the most, they're bringing about themselves.

suspicious of the Roman Catholic church. We can hardly be accused of "bashing" it when its leaders openly oppose our candidates.

And that something is to LEAVE THE CHURCH and STOP FUNDING IT. It doesn't matter if your church "isn't like that" - your membership and your money fund Rome and their anti-humanist agenda.

Sadly, few good Catholics are willing to follow through to that level. And so it goes on.

Worse yet,turn their daughters over to it--???

being Catholic (in the past) severely limited my options as a woman. I walked away a long time ago.

Or how about, no frock for SC priest.

What an idiot.

Probably none.

I find it very hypocritical the amount of so-called Christians who maintain this mindset, yet still fail to speak out against the American war machine. It's despicable!

No tithes for you.

Enjoy bankrupting your parish, dickhead.

If they are telling people how to vote and threatening to withhold a sacrament due to how a person voted, then please tell me why this organization receives a tax exemption?

The Catholic Church loves nothing more than it does money (raised Catholic, so I speak with some knowledge on this topic). Take away that tax exempt status and you'll hear a change of tune mighty quick. The same for all the other fundies.

his supporters should also be denied Holy Communion. Why do they think that Barack is pro abortion?
I always thought that he personally would prefer that a woman not have to get an abortion, but it is her moral and physical decision.

No one is pro-abortion; Pro-reason yes, but not pro-abortion.

If these charlatans are going to talk politics instead of peace from their pit, they need to be taxed. The only 'evil' thing I see is the church, fuck them and their christ chex!

"Supports abortion?" Nobody, including Barack Obama, "supports abortion!" He supports the right for a woman to decide what happens to her body. These hypocrites whine about "material cooperation with intrinsic evil" while lying through their teeth!

So much for that little pesky "lying lips are abomination to the LORD" part of the Bible, eh Rev. Jay Scott?

And, PE Obama is FAR from the most "pro abortion" politician -- or even the most "pro choice" candidate running thus year.

The Church is also anti DP. Can McPalin supporters still partake of teh Body of Christ?

His Bishop needs to shut him the fuck up.

and things like this will get the right connected people behind his case for a promotion by pushing what he is pushing.

The parish should just ignore him and all come up for communion. Respect is earned, not given.

stupid fat fuck

http://www.archatl.com/archbishops/gregory /

http://www.archatl.com/about/contact.html

"A South Carolina Roman Catholic priest has told his parishioners that they should refrain from receiving Holy Communion if they voted for John McCain because the failed Republican presidential candidate supports war, and supporting him 'constitutes material cooperation with intrinsic evil.'"

Hint: When I see it, I'll look outside and see if any icicles have formed on my lanai.

And for good measure:

"Our nation has chosen for its chief executive the most radical pro-abortion politician ever to serve in the United States Senate or to run for president,"

FAIL. For openers, he missed all but one of NARAL's votes on choice last year while he was campaigning. So almost any sitting Dem Senator would be a more "radical pro-abortion politician" than Obama.

NT

go a whang off in a paper bag you maroon!

When you come out and oppose war and death and pedophilia, you might find a leg to stand on, in the meantime, you are merely a POS grandstander and need to STFU

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I say thank you, Rev. Newman!

No one... and I mean no one... does more to increase our ranks than a power-mad, bullying, bat-shit crazy priest!

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You get to feast at the Lord's table?!

Can I dare hope that the bishop will reign this nutcase in?

they reined in all of those child rapers? Bet on it....

Thought of that after I wrote that. They don't have a very good record do they? And then there was that Grand Inquisition deal too.

Somehow I see another mass exodus of 'fallen away' Catholics away from the RC Church and finding something else to do on Sundays.

Silly man.

Methinks that was a talking point from Right to Life, then, as my friend's pretty high up in that organization (we have agreed to disagree on this topic most of the time).

Well, I'd just find a new parish. It's not like the RCC still has the residency requirements anymore. People can vote with their feet and go to the nearest parish with a sane priest.

This is NOT official Church policy. Don't let me interrupt the Catholic hate-fest, though.

Now that Democrats are no longer "Underground" we are entering the "Anti-Catholic Underground" phase.

Many of us find *all* religions silly, at best; destructive, at worst.

and then there's real church policy. You'll know which this guy is touting when you compare how the church treats him to how they treat a priest advocating the ordination of women.

what a fake "Christian" - when you say you're not going to allow Christians to have communion, then you are playing GOD - and therefore - false.

They should demand he be escorted out of his cushy position..... Christians with real compassion for others need to stand up against this hyper political mean-spirited man who refuse these Catholics their communion with their God is disgusting.

Thankfully, I'm a non-church attending gay Christian who doesn't have to put up with this crap because I wouldn't put up with these jerks for a sec...

Many different Yes We Did items in the Obama/Biden section www.cafepress.com/warisprofitable

"when you say you're not going to allow Christians to have communion, then you are playing GOD - and therefore - false"

Non-Catholic Christians are denied communion in Catholic churches. So that's nothing unusual. If what you're saying is true, then the entire Catholic church is composed of fake Christians.

I wish Christians could figure out who's in and who's out. The interdenominational squabbling gets old.

they hope you do not receive communion. But see, it used to be your conscience but now they want to "own" your conscience.

When they went to join the parish and sign their son up for CCD, the priest told her she was not to receive communion.

Her husband the divorced man? The priest sill hasn't said anything to him about not coming to communion.

How nuts is that?

It appears to me since I have been out of the Church loop for many many years, that things have gotten really weird.

If Jesus was really the guy who would unite the world in peace, why would his followers have broken into more sects than any other religion?

And no, I didn't join any other Christian church, and never will.

hehehe

That the sacraments mean nothing in the church now. They have no "special super powers". Such a priest cannot keep the holy spirit from those who follow Christ. Rome has become the pharisees Jesus protested.

"Monsignor W. Francis Malooly, the Catholic bishop of Wilmington in Delaware, said he would not ban Joe Biden, the Vice President elect and a Roman Catholic, from taking Communion because of his stand on issues such as stem cell research and abortion. Mr Biden, a Senator from Delaware, lives in the Wilmington diocese.

"The bishop was quoted as saying that "the Eucharist must not be politicised". He added that the job of a Catholic prelate was not to "alienate people" but rather to "change their hearts and minds". A number of Catholics in the senior ranks of the US Democratic Party take a liberal pro-choice stand on abortion, including Nancy Pelosi, the Speaker of the House, and John Kerry, the former Presidential candidate who has been tipped by some to become Secretary of State in the Obama administration."

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article5...

All Catholic hierarchy are the same.

And isolated wackos are representative of the entire church.

Here at Anti-Catholic Underground.

knew that hundreds, thousands of children were being raped by priests who were then being quietly shuffled off to find new victims, and how many spoke up publicly about it before the (mean, nasty rabidly anti-Catholic) media did their job and exposed it all? Answers: Lots and none. And they just kept isolating those wackos with more and more innocent children.

And every other BS religion on this planet. I guess the truth hurts.

"Anti-Catholic" Underground is too limiting & gives special attention to one particular brand of it. It should be "Anti-Bullshit" Underground.

Wonder if the moderators bothered to read half the responses....

I just hate your church. And if you have bothered to pay attention to what has been going on in the Church for the past thousands of years, you would too. No humane person can tolerate such a violent and corrupt institution.

So I'm supposed to be responsible for something 1000s of years ago? What have your ancestors done?

Always has. Catholics get the lions share.

And deservedly so.

And many refer to Catholics as fundies these days as well.

Mention fundies in your subject line, gets a little rise.

Mention the word "Catholic" in your subject line and All hell breaks loose.

Call me curious.

for the homeless etc. Thanks for the effective counter example.

If you want to make your church an arm of the RNC, you are free to do so.
If you do, the IRS is obliged to revoke your tax exemption.

The guy below was:

The Prince of Peace
The Good Shepherd
The Son of Man
and
The Savior

Long before someone else had any claim to fame.

The parish priests in California were probably warning parishioners that they needed to vote for Proposition 8 - and half of them will molest the parishioners children if they haven't already.

I just avoid people who tell me they're Christian. Or Jewish. Or Muslim. Or Buddhist. Or Hindu. Ignorance of the masses is what is destroying this country more than anything else at this point.

And of course we have five Catholic Supreme Court justices. No doubt at some point they will be threatened with excommunication if they don't overturn Roe v Wade and their ruling on sodomy and anything and everything the Catholic Church decides is against its teaching. Then no doubt it will have the justices just ban all other religions. At which point the Mormons will probably declare a holy war on Catholics.

According to the prophecies of St. Malachi our current pope is the last pope. Let's hope St. Malachi was right.

from the RC church. Our parish: 1.)freely gave communion to anyone who came to the table out of love of Christ, 2.) Blessed gay unions, 3.) allowed women on the altar to read the gospel.

The pastor and staff were all fired and nearly 800 people excommunicated.

And we haven't looked back.

It regrouped to form Spiritus Christi Church under the Old Catholic governance.
see: http://www.spirituschristi.org

...along with the hands of the others who were excommunicated. It takes tremendous strength of character to practice Christianity when the leader of your church is telling you not to.

rapid fashion the Church might want to rethink this kind of behavior. They appear to be on the fast track to irrelevance.

that said.... grape juice or real wine? Hey if your 13-14 years old, and you can legally drink wine eh why not Almost 20 yrs ago (1990)

I see the idiot here hasn't been listening to Obama. Nor have the legions of other idiots in "I'm poor but I'm buying a gun before Obama takes them away" do'h.. Homer Simpson get back here.

when he said, yay verily and I quote:

"If Jesus saves -- well
He'd better save Himself
From the gory glory seekers
Who use His name in death.
Oh Jesus save me!"

Can I get an amen?

My dear father, a devout Catholic, is rolling in his grave.

Good grief, what a bunch of ignorant asses.

... they're basically a hate club cleverly disguised as a tax-exempt organization ... hey, thanks. 'preciate that.

if you voted for Barack Obama when you go up for communion? Are they going to ask? Silly Catholic rules. If you go to confession and tell the priest that you voted for Obama, can you then go up to communion? How many times do you have to go back to confession to confess you voted for Obama? Once a week? Just once? What a goofy religion.

Answer: the opposite of what this "priest" has done.

Don't pin this on the whole church or on Catholics.

Every religion... every organization has its crazy fringe elements.

who is very much like asshole archbishop Burke from St. Louis who told Kerry he couldn't take communion in 04 because of his abortion views or likewise asshole archbishop O'Malley of Boston who told anyone who supported pro-choice stances that they were in a grave state of mortal sin and shouldn't take communion.

Get off your high horse. The Catholic Church has problems from the top down. I know you and others on the thread want to climb up on the cross and scream persecution for nasty things said about the Catholic Church, but the fucking truth is a clear defense against libel. Maybe if the Catholic hierarchy stopped doing such damn crazy shit, they might take a little less crap.

I grew up in NE Ohio. I attended Catholic Grade Schools and went to a Catholic High School (Brothers of the Holy Cross, Same as Notre Dame) and I have never seen a priest make political statements concerning Democrats or Republicans in Church. I now reside in Florida. I attend a Catholic Church down here. The pastor here has never done that either. In fact, I suspect several of my priests, brothers, nuns, and sisters over the years were actually very liberal people. Most large organizations have a few extremely bad apples. Hopefully most in DU understand that.

as I had never seen that either in all the years that I went. Of course I haven't gone in about 25 years but have gone with my folks around Christmas a couple of times.

F*** the Catholic Church. This kind of crap is just one of the many reasons I no longer practice this, or any Christian religion. The things Jesus taught were deep and meaningful. These religions aren't.

...and so is this fucker.

Where's Martin Luther whe we need him?

I posted this in another thread. Both of these priests voted for Obama and know there are too many social issues out there to be a one issue voter. I'm sure they will continue to give and receive communion with a clear conscience.

There are plenty of Catholics out there who are troubled by the abortion issue but have the sense to not fall for this crap. They know the Democrats are the ones who try to take care of the poor etc.

This priest is an idiot.

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repent of your sin for voting for a womanizer, gambling addicted piece of lying ass shit.

Priests are moved from parish to parish. I don't know if he can make such a unilateral decree.