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Sarah Palin Blamed by the US Secret Service Over Death Threats Against Barack Obama
Edited on Sat Nov-08-08 06:02 PM by TwoSparkles
Source: UK Telegraph

The Republican vice presidential candidate attracted criticism for accusing Mr Obama of "palling around with terrorists", citing his association with the sixties radical William Ayers.

The attacks provoked a near lynch mob atmosphere at her rallies, with supporters yelling "terrorist" and "kill him" until the McCain campaign ordered her to tone down the rhetoric.

But it has now emerged that her demagogic tone may have unintentionally encouraged white supremacists to go even further.

The Secret Service warned the Obama family in mid October that they had seen a dramatic increase in the number of threats against the Democratic candidate, coinciding with Mrs Palin's attacks.



Read more: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection20...



I'm stunned. Just stunned by this. Before this article came out, and before "Newsweek"
reported that Michelle Obama was terribly concerned about the level of hate instigated
by Palin at these rallies--I told my husband that Michelle Obama looked different. She
looked stressed and like she had gained weight. I thought she looked as if she had been
'stress eating'--but I attributed this to the stress of the campaign. As it turns out,
in October, the Obama family was given several warnings about increased death threats
to Barack--that were in part catalyzed by the hatred and rancor incited by Sarah Palin
herself.

Damn. Just damn. We all heard Palin's venom. We all witnessed those rally audiences.
They acted like animals. McCain finally had to tone down the vitriol.

This makes me so sad and so disgusted. Michelle Obama deserves a medal. She so graciously
allowed her husband to run for President, and has agreed to share him with the nation. It's
obvious, from her appearance and her demeanor that she was troubled to her core. However, she
never complained, and never gave a hint to her pain and fear. She soldiered on--for her
husband and for the country. I'm just so sad that all of that pain was because of
Palin--a horrible, selfish, vacuous woman--who I hope is shamed into the darkest corners of Alaska
for the rest of her life.
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   Well, I'm relieved that the US Secret Service are taking this kind of thing seriously.  baby_mouse   Nov-08-08 06:02 PM   #1 
   Those guys are the best of the best. They take their jobs VERY seriously.  DUlover2909   Nov-08-08 06:20 PM   #22 
   They didn't do so well for JFK  ngant17   Nov-08-08 06:32 PM   #34 
   most if not all of those agents would be retired or dead by now  eShirl   Nov-08-08 06:39 PM   #41 
   Actually, all of them were gone within 10 years...  RollWithIt   Nov-08-08 06:41 PM   #45 
      Many of them seemed to be cooperating co-conspirators ....  defendandprotect   Nov-08-08 07:59 PM   #113 
      Most of JFK's personal Secret Service detail left in the months leading up to Dallas.  leveymg   Nov-09-08 06:01 AM   #281 
   Most of the current ones weren't even born yet!!!!  RollWithIt   Nov-08-08 06:40 PM   #43 
   The long-held lesson is that the "guards" are always open to conspiracy ...  defendandprotect   Nov-08-08 08:01 PM   #116 
   Not so good for Reagan either  quaker bill   Nov-08-08 06:40 PM   #44 
   They only saved his life and took bullets for him...that's all.....nt  democrat2thecore   Nov-08-08 06:46 PM   #49 
   Reagan would have been killed without them  JI7   Nov-08-08 07:37 PM   #92 
   and from all reports  quaker bill   Nov-09-08 07:13 AM   #287 
   Chapin also is shaping up as another patsy/Manchurian Candidate ....  defendandprotect   Nov-08-08 08:02 PM   #117 
      Who is Chapin? never heard of him/her  ngant17   Nov-08-08 08:18 PM   #132 
      Perhaps he meant Mark David Chapman, John Lennon's assassin.  1monster   Nov-08-08 09:37 PM   # 
      John Hinckley, Jr. -- apologies -- can't edit --  defendandprotect   Nov-08-08 09:46 PM   #193 
   They were told not to do so well for JFK, by some or many people in our gov at the time.  kayakjohnny   Nov-08-08 06:42 PM   #46 
   And an SAS expert said that the body-guard who should have been right at Reagan's side was way  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Nov-08-08 06:50 PM   #51 
   Reagan was hit by a bullet that ricocheted off the limo...  Dennis Donovan   Nov-08-08 09:17 PM   #181 
   Well, I can't imagine what that SAS expert was talking about then.  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Nov-09-08 07:56 AM   #293 
   My therory is Reagan wasn't  raysr   Nov-09-08 02:13 PM   #330 
   The trouble with videos like that is that we never know if they're real.  Jim Sagle   Nov-08-08 06:50 PM   #52 
   FYI: JFK assassination: Secret Service Standdown  Submariner   Nov-08-08 06:51 PM   #54 
   That video is chilling, to the max. What the HELL was going on there??  kath   Nov-09-08 12:04 PM   #324 
   I think things have changed a lot lately. I'd be surprised if they weren't 110% on  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Nov-08-08 06:52 PM   #55 
   Re: "how can you compare this to something that happened all those years ago?"  anotheryellowdog   Nov-08-08 07:15 PM   #76 
   ...because the "guards" are corruptible ... not once, but always to be  defendandprotect   Nov-08-08 08:05 PM   #119 
   And things changed A LOT after 11-22-63 --nt  democrat2thecore   Nov-08-08 06:45 PM   #48 
   as the French say: "the more things change...  ngant17   Nov-08-08 08:04 PM   #118 
   They'll be trying to control him immediately .. getting the word to him probably  defendandprotect   Nov-08-08 08:09 PM   #120 
      You've hit on a note that I wondered about...  TwoSparkles   Nov-08-08 08:22 PM   #138 
         "..how do they control that President?" ...  defendandprotect   Nov-08-08 09:37 PM   #191 
         I suppose the "Mighty Wurlitzer" can turn off the sound  ngant17   Nov-08-08 10:12 PM   #211 
         That's all very interesting...  TwoSparkles   Nov-08-08 10:42 PM   #220 
            Let me correct ...  defendandprotect   Nov-09-08 12:08 AM   #244 
               And if you believe all this - you're crazy -nt  democrat2thecore   Nov-09-08 03:19 AM   #274 
         Good point there. And one could only imagine his reaction.  kayakjohnny   Nov-09-08 07:14 AM   #288 
         I read that some government official(perhaps someone here knows)  jhrobbins   Nov-09-08 02:59 PM   #335 
   And things changed A LOT after 11-22-63 - right, they then did MLK then RFK...  Imagevision   Nov-09-08 10:48 PM   #360 
      Excuse me? Neither one were protected by the Secret Service!  democrat2thecore   Nov-10-08 12:40 AM   #362 
   because they were ordered to stand down  rambler_american   Nov-08-08 07:14 PM   #75 
   They learned a lot from that. I can't see us ever going through something like that again.  sandrakae   Nov-08-08 07:41 PM   #96 
   Dream on ....  defendandprotect   Nov-08-08 08:10 PM   #121 
   I saw a documentary on the evolution of the Secret Service  lunatica   Nov-08-08 08:43 PM   #166 
   Yep, I've seen some of their security measures.  backscatter712   Nov-08-08 09:21 PM   #182 
   yep, just finished reading Abraham Bolden's book...  jxnmsdemguy65   Nov-08-08 10:43 PM   #221 
   Don't forget that open topped car wasn't the idea of the SS. even at that time. n/t  Realityhack   Nov-09-08 08:00 PM   #355 
   that was then  haydukelives   Nov-08-08 08:50 PM   #169 
   That was definatly a different era  Merlot   Nov-08-08 09:57 PM   #203 
   There were two agents who were supposed to run alongside the Kennedy limo, who were  bertman   Nov-08-08 10:19 PM   #216 
   Things have changed in 45 years.  kestrel91316   Nov-08-08 10:49 PM   #226 
   No they haven't!~  rucognizant   Nov-09-08 09:12 AM   #302 
   Kennedy insisted on having an open car  Spiffarino   Nov-09-08 03:42 AM   #276 
   Very good reply.  Realityhack   Nov-09-08 07:57 PM   #353 
   They were probably handpicked!  rucognizant   Nov-09-08 08:55 AM   #301 
   Contact the media  mentalslavery   Nov-09-08 10:04 AM   #311 
   JFK was an inside job  Imagevision   Nov-09-08 10:41 PM   #359 
   Why aren't they arresting Palin, then?  SpankMe   Nov-09-08 06:40 PM   #352 
   Best of the best? What about that SS agent soliciting DC prostitutes  ngant17   Nov-10-08 07:43 PM   #364 
   They better be good. The reich wing continues to whip up a frenzy.  faygokid   Nov-08-08 07:39 PM   #95 
   If they're going to hang the increased threats on Palin, Limbaugh, et al deserves their fair share  bulloney   Nov-08-08 08:27 PM   #142 
   A friendly visit by the FBI would tone down a lot of the vitriol  lunatica   Nov-08-08 09:47 PM   #194 
   Oh, that's something I'd love to see. Though the Rs would have  lib_wit_it   Nov-09-08 12:52 AM   #255 
   No, no, no, no, no. McInsane chose her or, if his handlers did, the end result is the same:  1Hippiechick   Nov-09-08 02:58 PM   #334 
   Have you seen this 2-part film on YouTube about the consequence of Hate Speech?  1Hippiechick   Nov-09-08 03:03 PM   #336 
   Did you notice the glass surrounding the Obamas at his acceptance speech?  fasttense   Nov-09-08 06:55 AM   #284 
   Contact the media  mentalslavery   Nov-09-08 10:03 AM   #310 
   let the media know  mentalslavery   Nov-09-08 10:10 AM   #313 
   K&R. (nt)  Kurovski   Nov-08-08 06:04 PM   #2 
   Love that sig pic  the blues   Nov-09-08 12:11 AM   #247 
   Prosecute  Xipe Totec   Nov-08-08 06:04 PM   #3 
   I agree 100%  Happyhippychick   Nov-08-08 06:11 PM   #9 
   I completely agree. Prosecute her for hate speech. But then, we  lib_wit_it   Nov-08-08 06:14 PM   #12 
   We're going to have a real Attorney General come Jan 20th n/t  Xipe Totec   Nov-08-08 06:17 PM   #17 
      It could have been Elliot Spitzer --  defendandprotect   Nov-08-08 08:11 PM   #123 
      Not bloody likely!  Xipe Totec   Nov-08-08 08:16 PM   #128 
         I mean Spitzer BEFORE the scandal --  defendandprotect   Nov-08-08 09:08 PM   #177 
         Not Fitzgerald. He failed to call or to indict Cheney in the Plame matter  JDPriestly   Nov-08-08 10:13 PM   #213 
            He wanted to  JPettus   Nov-09-08 01:31 AM   #263 
               Commuted, not pardoned.  RUMMYisFROSTED   Nov-09-08 04:39 PM   #346 
      could have been John Edwards  catrose   Nov-08-08 08:22 PM   #139 
      And that should be Vincent Bugliosi. . .  Lena inRI   Nov-08-08 08:53 PM   #171 
      Not a bad choice!  Xipe Totec   Nov-08-08 09:05 PM   #176 
      Seconded  kgfnally   Nov-09-08 01:00 AM   #257 
      Announce Bugliosi for AG today and watch how fast W gets his a@@ to Paraguay.  ToolTex   Nov-09-08 02:22 PM   #331 
      Personally I want Jonathan Turley  MessiahRp   Nov-08-08 10:25 PM   #217 
   Hard to Win these Cases  rwenos   Nov-08-08 06:16 PM   #15 
   Yes  JetCityLiberal   Nov-08-08 06:20 PM   #23 
   And it should be front page news.  Delphinus   Nov-08-08 06:23 PM   #24 
   I agree. I hope they would, but dout it will happen.  Doodler71   Nov-08-08 07:11 PM   #74 
   I agree  zonmoy   Nov-08-08 09:13 PM   #178 
   Absolutely. It is a hate crime.  MNReformer   Nov-09-08 01:55 AM   #267 
   She should be forced to tell her 'pals' from her rallies that she was wrong  Catamount   Nov-09-08 04:03 AM   #277 
   They knew exactly what they were doing  Tangerine LaBamba   Nov-08-08 06:06 PM   #4 
   I agree they knew exactly what they were doing. From picking Palin to  Raschel   Nov-08-08 06:38 PM   #40 
   I can see what you mean  glinda   Nov-09-08 12:16 AM   #249 
   That's why I was so mad at the corporate media for covering it as just politics as usual.  Overseas   Nov-08-08 07:43 PM   #98 
   Absolutely  Tangerine LaBamba   Nov-08-08 08:28 PM   #144 
      And "What Liberal Media?" shows how deliberate the campaign has been  Overseas   Nov-09-08 10:34 AM   #318 
         Excellent interview  Tangerine LaBamba   Nov-09-08 12:43 PM   #327 
   It was the ONLY way the had left to win--!!  defendandprotect   Nov-08-08 08:14 PM   #126 
   What people should not forget is how much McCain was a part of this, too  KC2   Nov-08-08 06:08 PM   #5 
   What if . . .  Believing_Is_Art   Nov-08-08 06:09 PM   #6 
   OMG, that was visceral. Wish you hadn't brought that up. Now I'm going to vomit, cry, or both.  lib_wit_it   Nov-08-08 06:17 PM   #18 
   It's not just Palin. It's the whole right-wing hate machine getting geared up.  denverbill   Nov-08-08 06:10 PM   #7 
   It was obvious that releasing the hounds was an ill willed act.  The Wielding Truth   Nov-08-08 06:34 PM   # 
   Quite honestly, I think McCain surrendered to a lot of pressure from right-wingers.  denverbill   Nov-08-08 06:55 PM   #62 
      Is it the pressure that is guilty, or does a man have a choice?  The Wielding Truth   Nov-08-08 07:07 PM   #71 
         I agree. If McCain wasn't in charge of his own campaign,  xochi   Nov-08-08 09:36 PM   #190 
            We are really on the same page. Palin is also not blameless.  The Wielding Truth   Nov-08-08 10:16 PM   #214 
            When anyone tries to tell you that McCain is "a good and honorable man", have them read this:  kath   Nov-09-08 12:30 PM   #326 
   Congress was made aware of  sabrina 1   Nov-08-08 06:37 PM   #39 
   Their hate filled crapfests go beyond freedom of speech..  Webster Green   Nov-08-08 07:23 PM   #81 
   May I ask a question?  llmart   Nov-08-08 08:19 PM   #133 
      Yeah I for one would like to see lists of who sponsors these  RamboLiberal   Nov-08-08 09:37 PM   #192 
   I'd like to see that, too.  intheflow   Nov-08-08 07:39 PM   #93 
   This is the violent r-w becoming visible ...and they're the people McCain/GOP actually represent--!!  defendandprotect   Nov-08-08 08:16 PM   #130 
   And all the stories about these people buying uo guns frightened me too.  alarimer   Nov-08-08 08:29 PM   #145 
   Amen!  Frustratedlady   Nov-08-08 08:40 PM   #163 
   Alaska is too good for Sarah Palin. Let her go far, far, away, to  lib_wit_it   Nov-08-08 06:11 PM   #8 
   Well no one here will blame you for going off on her.  bushwentawol   Nov-08-08 06:19 PM   #20 
   Thanks! It's good to be here. n/t  lib_wit_it   Nov-09-08 12:08 AM   #245 
   Actually, Saudi Arabia is a GREAT  drmeow   Nov-08-08 06:31 PM   #32 
   Welcome to DU.  Jackpine Radical   Nov-08-08 06:31 PM   #33 
   Me too. I've been reading DU for months now. Just never got around to signing up. n/t  lib_wit_it   Nov-09-08 12:26 AM   #250 
   "Saudi Arabia"! Funny you should mention that choice!  pnorman   Nov-08-08 06:54 PM   #57 
   Ha--I've been meaning to get me a copy of that Saudi Arabia travel poster!  lib_wit_it   Nov-09-08 01:06 AM   #258 
      I spotted it here on DU yesterday.  pnorman   Nov-09-08 01:53 AM   #266 
   I wonder how many burqas $150K (or more) would buy?  TommyO   Nov-08-08 07:58 PM   #112 
   Now would that be a Sears Burqa or a real burqa (Zappa for the  lib_wit_it   Nov-09-08 01:14 AM   #261 
      Who's Palin jivin' with that Cosmik Debris?  B3Nut   Nov-09-08 08:54 AM   #300 
         Thanks! I can't take credit for being a huge Zappa fan, though if  lib_wit_it   Nov-11-08 05:46 PM   #366 
   Afghanistan. How many burkhas will $150,000 buy?  tclambert   Nov-08-08 08:35 PM   #155 
   Depends--from Neiman Marcus or "Out of the Closet Upon Threat of Death"? n/t  lib_wit_it   Nov-09-08 12:30 AM   #251 
   I'll say it for you if you want. She's a vicious, hateful, spiteful, arrogant, ignorant bitch.  WritersBlock   Nov-09-08 08:32 AM   #296 
      Well, I was thinking of a lot more words my mother would be  lib_wit_it   Nov-11-08 05:52 PM   #367 
   It was obvious. She should suffer an arrest for this.  tekisui   Nov-08-08 06:12 PM   #10 
   K&R  MichiganVote   Nov-08-08 06:13 PM   #11 
   Those rallies were race baiting  Bluenorthwest   Nov-08-08 06:14 PM   #13 
   Exactly! The brazen disregard for the fact that "real" Americans don't  lib_wit_it   Nov-09-08 01:21 AM   #262 
   McCain may have told her to tone it down but I do not remember her  jwirr   Nov-08-08 06:16 PM   #14 
   When you drill down into what she was saying...  Tandalayo_Scheisskopf   Nov-08-08 06:17 PM   #16 
   Absolutely. I'm sure you know about the cross that was burned on the Obama supporters' lawn the day  lib_wit_it   Nov-08-08 06:27 PM   #28 
   correction  frogcycle   Nov-08-08 06:57 PM   #67 
   Thank you for saying that  Athens30603   Nov-08-08 07:22 PM   #80 
   True about Boston ...absolutely ...  defendandprotect   Nov-08-08 08:21 PM   #136 
   Yeah, I knew that might be asking for trouble, but it is the impression  lib_wit_it   Nov-09-08 12:38 AM   #252 
   Klan wasn't founded in Indiana  Jake3463   Nov-09-08 07:50 AM   #292 
      I stand corrected  frogcycle   Nov-09-08 09:15 AM   #304 
   Yes I am.  Tandalayo_Scheisskopf   Nov-08-08 07:42 PM   #97 
   Thanks for the headsup on David Neiwert. Just checked out his blog.  enough   Nov-08-08 06:28 PM   #29 
   We need a dictionary of "dog whistle" words so progressives ...  puebloknot   Nov-08-08 06:30 PM   #31 
   It's not just the words ...  RoyGBiv   Nov-09-08 05:48 AM   #280 
   can I copy what you wrote and post it on Digg? nt  CitizenPatriot   Nov-08-08 07:03 PM   #69 
   Sure.  Tandalayo_Scheisskopf   Nov-08-08 07:44 PM   #102 
      thanks - I will do! nt  CitizenPatriot   Nov-08-08 07:53 PM   #106 
   You have to wonder then....  TwoSparkles   Nov-08-08 08:35 PM   #154 
      Thom Hartmann was speculating that Romney and the Mormons  blackops   Nov-08-08 09:02 PM   #174 
      Another thought, however, is that they're getting it all out in the open now  lib_wit_it   Nov-09-08 01:46 AM   #265 
      She's just too dumb to run ... but the wingnuts luv-er.  brindis_desala   Nov-08-08 09:55 PM   #201 
      Wow, your last line  liberalhistorian   Nov-08-08 09:58 PM   #205 
      Yeah, it 's not clear to me either.  xochi   Nov-09-08 04:38 AM   #279 
   K&R  foxfeet   Nov-08-08 06:18 PM   #19 
   She needs to take full responsibility for this  graywarrior   Nov-08-08 06:19 PM   #21 
   Palin calls it sexism....I call it fascism. She is a Hitler wanna-be. Read's MeinKampf  McCamy Taylor   Nov-08-08 06:25 PM   #25 
   Totally agree.She was making Obama an enemy traitor deserving of hate  bjobotts   Nov-08-08 06:53 PM   #56 
      Like it would make you a hero to kill this "secret terrorist traitor"  bjobotts   Nov-08-08 06:54 PM   #58 
         And she still says it.She cultivates hate and violence as being patriotic  bjobotts   Nov-08-08 06:55 PM   #61 
            She's dangerous in that she just wants the applause and attention no matter how.  bjobotts   Nov-08-08 06:56 PM   #64 
   Is Palin seriously still our front page story? n/t  newtothegame   Nov-08-08 06:25 PM   #26 
   She's made enemies with the press....  KC2   Nov-08-08 06:34 PM   # 
   No --r-w/GOP hatred and violence is our front page story --  defendandprotect   Nov-08-08 08:26 PM   #141 
   Yes. She bears watching.  AngryOldDem   Nov-09-08 06:53 AM   #283 
   They can't run on issues...  brer cat   Nov-08-08 06:26 PM   #27 
   That's one of the benefits of Bush leaving office. I forgot how positive and inspiring a president  bulloney   Nov-08-08 08:37 PM   #159 
   Once again...why did it take a FOREIGN paper to break this story?  Ken Burch   Nov-08-08 06:29 PM   #30 
   Our press isn't intimidated by the GOP. It's owned and controlled by the GOP.  hvn_nbr_2   Nov-08-08 06:37 PM   #38 
   Exactly. Our press is a sorry bunch.  Window   Nov-08-08 07:36 PM   #90 
   Wow... didn't notice that -- UK report---!!!  defendandprotect   Nov-08-08 08:27 PM   #143 
   The article appears to come in its entirety from the Newsweek 'inside' serial  Princess Turandot   Nov-09-08 07:35 AM   #290 
   I remember when she toned it down a bit with the terrorist crap  JohnnyRingo   Nov-08-08 06:33 PM   #35 
   At some point, the Secret Service is going to make a very public example...  hvn_nbr_2   Nov-08-08 06:34 PM   #36 
   It'll be a re-invigorated newly non-partisan Justice Dept. that will do it. . . nt  Bernardo de La Paz   Nov-08-08 10:08 PM   #209 
   Is there anything she can be charged with? What an asshole.  ebdarcy   Nov-08-08 06:34 PM   #37 
   I don't understand anyone feeling sorry for McCain or Palin. They are horrible  Raschel   Nov-08-08 06:44 PM   #47 
      Agree with that 100%! /  BlueMomInSanDiego   Nov-08-08 07:56 PM   #109 
   words MATTER. Hate speech opens up the floodgates  Dappleganger   Nov-08-08 06:39 PM   #42 
   I think we need some new laws...  47of74   Nov-08-08 06:48 PM   #50 
   Germany has so good anti-hate group laws. It's a difficult line to walk between  fasttense   Nov-09-08 07:10 AM   #286 
   David Duke in a skirt  kywildcat   Nov-08-08 06:50 PM   #53 
   Tell her to call the Secret Service  47of74   Nov-08-08 06:54 PM   #59 
   We did, and I'm not above nagging.  kywildcat   Nov-08-08 06:57 PM   #65 
   You said it exactly right.  blue neen   Nov-08-08 06:57 PM   #66 
   Except David Duke wasn't as bad as Sarah Palin  jmowreader   Nov-08-08 07:35 PM   #87 
   But isn't this what we all are going to have to do?  llmart   Nov-08-08 08:30 PM   #148 
   I think it's imperative that if anyone gets...  TwoSparkles   Nov-08-08 08:42 PM   #165 
      Right on. Condemn them and invite them to leave the 19th century and join the 21st. . . nt  Bernardo de La Paz   Nov-08-08 10:06 PM   #208 
   What does Alchoholic Anonymous have to do with it?  Bernardo de La Paz   Nov-08-08 10:18 PM   #215 
      He means African American... n/t  Tallison   Nov-09-08 12:12 AM   #248 
   It's a pity they don't charge her with incitement to violence or some such  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Nov-08-08 06:54 PM   #60 
   It Appears Sarah Palin Is the One Palling with Domestic Terrorists  politicalmajority   Nov-08-08 06:56 PM   #63 
   Excellent points, politicalmajority!  vickiss   Nov-08-08 10:46 PM   #223 
   I want to comment on the last subject of the article.  Pacifist Patriot   Nov-08-08 06:58 PM   #68 
   And isn't it a tad bit odd...  TwoSparkles   Nov-08-08 08:46 PM   #168 
   Contact the media  mentalslavery   Nov-09-08 10:02 AM   #309 
   I have a problem with the "unintentionally encouraged white supremacists to go even further."  Doodler71   Nov-08-08 07:04 PM   #70 
   me too n/t  Double_Talk_Express   Nov-08-08 07:33 PM   #86 
   I never thought it was unintentional  catrose   Nov-08-08 08:25 PM   #140 
   I don't think it's paranoid. The people who picked her knew that they could use her  xochi   Nov-08-08 09:56 PM   #202 
      I agree, though I do wish  RedLetterRev   Nov-08-08 11:22 PM   #232 
         Ahh, my bad! Sorry, man!  xochi   Nov-08-08 11:43 PM   #238 
            OMG, They did it to you too?  RedLetterRev   Nov-09-08 09:47 AM   #307 
               I truly believe that these vanishing wild places,  xochi   Nov-09-08 05:40 PM   #350 
   Purposeful -- !!!  defendandprotect   Nov-08-08 08:30 PM   #147 
   i caught that too.  nashville_brook   Nov-08-08 09:32 PM   #189 
   Isn't that a Capital Crime?  Optimistic   Nov-08-08 07:10 PM   #72 
   Welcome to DU!  livetohike   Nov-08-08 07:25 PM   #82 
   NO.  Realityhack   Nov-09-08 08:04 PM   #356 
   Damn  Fluffdaddy   Nov-08-08 07:10 PM   #73 
   I'm glad this made news. See they are mobilizing a hate base to  superconnected   Nov-08-08 07:15 PM   #77 
   They pretty much did this with Clinton ...using gun nuts ...  defendandprotect   Nov-08-08 08:31 PM   #149 
   Damn - overseas media picks up on this and not a peep from U.S. M$M.  Kalifornia.Kid   Nov-08-08 07:20 PM   #78 
   I wonder what cabinet position she is hoping to get in the new  4MoronicYears   Nov-08-08 07:22 PM   #79 
   McCain was at some of those rallies as well when the  benld74   Nov-08-08 07:25 PM   #83 
   She's now gone. Rush Limbaugh is close to actively calling for harm to Obama.  faygokid   Nov-08-08 07:27 PM   #84 
   WE ALL have to take immediate interest in this as a major subject --  defendandprotect   Nov-08-08 08:35 PM   #156 
   Palin would have been too dumb to see the link  LesserFool   Nov-08-08 07:33 PM   #85 
   Don't fool yourself  texastoast   Nov-08-08 11:09 PM   #229 
   Palin incited this violence  davefromqueens   Nov-08-08 07:36 PM   #88 
   makes you wonder why she wanted to chat with him after the election!  themartyred   Nov-08-08 07:36 PM   #89 
   I hope that EVERYONE hears about this  Raine   Nov-08-08 07:37 PM   #91 
   Thanks for this citation: Will be sure it gets added...  GhostofRichardRorty   Nov-08-08 07:39 PM   #94 
   McCain was complicit...he knew and made a token protest just for show.  Lars39   Nov-08-08 07:43 PM   #99 
   hmm ... what was it someone in the Bush administration said?  zbdent   Nov-08-08 07:44 PM   #100 
   So true... k&r  crossroads   Nov-08-08 07:44 PM   #101 
   It was obvious when she was doing it, it was obvious from the many videos of  tpsbmam   Nov-08-08 07:46 PM   #103 
   Bill Ayres never intended to kill anyone  proud2Blib   Nov-08-08 07:49 PM   #104 
   There Should Be No Tolerance For This Sort Of Thing  Paladin   Nov-08-08 07:51 PM   #105 
   Congress should get involved.  humbled_opinion   Nov-08-08 08:13 PM   #124 
      Right ... there should be Hearings on this ---  defendandprotect   Nov-08-08 08:36 PM   #158 
   Sarah Palin is a smiling, chipper, beautiful fucking monster.  King Sandbox   Nov-08-08 07:55 PM   #107 
   Like Dana Perino ..."Beauty IS the beast"---!!!!  defendandprotect   Nov-08-08 08:37 PM   #160 
   Who does she want to throw into the chipper machine?  Bernardo de La Paz   Nov-09-08 02:50 AM   #271 
   I have an idea that the Secret Service told Palin directly to tone it down.  yellowcanine   Nov-08-08 07:56 PM   #108 
   What is the definition of terrorism?  grahampuba   Nov-08-08 07:57 PM   #110 
   Stirring up the racist crowds, upping the hate level with that ugly rhetoric  xochi   Nov-09-08 09:42 PM   #358 
   Hate filled Righty Talk Radio can get in line here! I think Sean, Rush & Savage are just as bad!  1776Forever   Nov-08-08 07:58 PM   #111 
   Here's the way I see it...  New_England_Patriot   Nov-08-08 07:59 PM   #114 
   it should be mentioned  Gargoyle   Nov-08-08 08:20 PM   #135 
   It's always easy to teach hatred ....  defendandprotect   Nov-08-08 08:40 PM   #162 
   This is exactly why I give McCain no quarter as being "funny" or "gracious."  quiet.american   Nov-08-08 08:00 PM   #115 
   Well did she at least  humbled_opinion   Nov-08-08 08:11 PM   #122 
   Not all Secret Service agents are good guys  formercia   Nov-08-08 08:14 PM   #125 
   Do tell  Maccagirl   Nov-08-08 09:25 PM   #185 
      Many get jobs as GOP operatives after leaving the service.  formercia   Nov-09-08 08:50 AM   #298 
   Surely Palin should be charged with incitement, if the Secret Service can show  Porschenut1066   Nov-08-08 08:14 PM   #127 
   If this whacko ever visits the lower 48 again we should all make sure she gets a suitable welcome.  bobd0   Nov-08-08 08:16 PM   #129 
   I hear she is going to attend a GOP governor's conference soon.  LonelyLRLiberal   Nov-09-08 05:38 PM   #349 
   Is this a last gasp for the hatred of the right .... or a resurgence?  Husb2Sparkly   Nov-08-08 08:16 PM   #131 
   What the people at her rallies did is definitely not legal, and Palin incited them.  bobd0   Nov-08-08 08:19 PM   #134 
   i look at it this way...  shanti   Nov-09-08 12:42 AM   #253 
   If they blamed her, why didn't they do something about it?  always_saturday   Nov-08-08 08:21 PM   #137 
   I think it's up to Congress now ... Hearings ...and if you're going to ARREST  defendandprotect   Nov-08-08 08:43 PM   #167 
   "near lynch mob atmosphere at her rallies, with supporters yelling "terrorist" and "kill him"  jeff30997   Nov-08-08 08:30 PM   #146 
   She should be ashamed of herself  Kipepeo   Nov-08-08 08:32 PM   #150 
   Palin was found by the Neocons(PNAC) and they have no shame!  Porschenut1066   Nov-09-08 01:10 AM   #260 
   I call BS here  Richard D   Nov-08-08 08:32 PM   #151 
   Palin smeared Obama.  Vattel   Nov-08-08 08:32 PM   #152 
   "Did she do anything criminal by smearing Obama? No."  Sparkly   Nov-08-08 08:35 PM   #153 
   Yes, I am.  Vattel   Nov-08-08 09:16 PM   #180 
   No, she should be ashamed for being a fucking hypocrite  texastoast   Nov-08-08 11:17 PM   #231 
   Too much hate-mongering to report it all  Vattel   Nov-09-08 09:12 AM   #303 
   QFT. n/t  Realityhack   Nov-09-08 08:11 PM   #357 
   Holy shit.  Just A Yeller Dawg   Nov-08-08 08:35 PM   #157 
   We're going to need a circus tent for Limbaugh's strait-jacket n/t  Xipe Totec   Nov-08-08 08:38 PM   #161 
   Then, perhaps there needs to be intervention by Secret Service or FBI  Whoa_Nelly   Nov-08-08 08:53 PM   #170 
   more examples? Yes, there are plenty  Ispy   Nov-08-08 08:41 PM   #164 
   The UK hit the nail on the head...  ngGale   Nov-08-08 08:57 PM   #172 
   Sarah is the mirror reflecting what the repugs really are.  not_this_time   Nov-08-08 08:57 PM   #173 
   Palin's Propoganda Parade  JimboBillyBubbaBob   Nov-08-08 09:04 PM   #175 
   I call Bullshit on this statement  MadMaddie   Nov-08-08 09:16 PM   #179 
   The headline is bull shit.  Vattel   Nov-08-08 09:21 PM   #183 
   Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-08-08 11:08 PM   #228 
      LOL  Vattel   Nov-09-08 07:47 AM   #291 
   Hate speech by public figures can, and likely WILL end in violent acts...  Dennis Donovan   Nov-08-08 09:23 PM   #184 
   This is inaccurate. Her rhetoric led to angry mobs which led to more threats.  beachmom   Nov-08-08 09:27 PM   #186 
   LIMBAUGH. For 20 years.  faygokid   Nov-08-08 09:29 PM   #187 
   He'd start another civil war  GoddessOfGuinness   Nov-08-08 09:47 PM   #196 
      He's been underestimated here, and nationally.  faygokid   Nov-08-08 09:55 PM   #200 
         I certainly am guilty of that...  GoddessOfGuinness   Nov-08-08 09:59 PM   #206 
   Lets just say Palin made the SS job more difficult, her trash talk was like..  Historic NY   Nov-08-08 09:31 PM   #188 
   It seems the Repubs always have to stir up a hornets' nest...  CJCRANE   Nov-08-08 09:47 PM   #195 
   That's all they have left, the white racist "Christian" fundamentalists  xochi   Nov-08-08 10:13 PM   #212 
   If this story comes from the Secret Service then it's a message  lunatica   Nov-08-08 09:51 PM   #197 
   "The Secret Service doesn't comment on procedures"  ticapnews   Nov-08-08 09:58 PM   #204 
   I totally agree...  TwoSparkles   Nov-08-08 11:16 PM   #230 
   Seems like there has also been at least one article stating the Secret Service  Lars39   Nov-08-08 11:24 PM   #233 
   We need to remember this!  GoddessOfGuinness   Nov-08-08 09:51 PM   #198 
   They have no idea what they're fucking with here !  Ragazz68   Nov-08-08 09:54 PM   #199 
   Still haven't seen any reporters confront Palin with this info from the Secret Service ...  krkaufman   Nov-08-08 10:04 PM   #207 
   The Secret Service is very, very good, and their reasoning  northofdenali   Nov-08-08 10:10 PM   #210 
   Great Post....I agree with you.  OwnedByFerrets   Nov-08-08 10:32 PM   #218 
   Perhaps Michelle Obama's weight gain was due to...  keepCAblue   Nov-08-08 10:39 PM   #219 
   Targets of convenience ..............  resnah   Nov-08-08 10:43 PM   #222 
   Are any US papers going to run with this?  TOJ   Nov-08-08 10:47 PM   #224 
   "Unintentionally" MY ASS. She intended to whip up homicidal hatred.  kestrel91316   Nov-08-08 10:48 PM   #225 
   Please crawl back under the rock  Vattel   Nov-09-08 07:58 AM   #294 
      Don't put words in my mouth. Palin deserves the fate she wished  kestrel91316   Nov-09-08 02:10 PM   #329 
         So you are saying that she deserves to die  Vattel   Nov-09-08 03:20 PM   #338 
   We here at DU were very concerned and that is why we made calls and sent letters.  CADEMOCRAT7   Nov-08-08 10:59 PM   #227 
   I think Palin lost it for the Republicans with her hate  lovuian   Nov-08-08 11:28 PM   #234 
   McCain is ultimately responsible for incitement of violence.  MrsCorleone   Nov-08-08 11:33 PM   #235 
   I think McCain was like a political pimp...  TwoSparkles   Nov-08-08 11:41 PM   #237 
   The SS really downplayed the hate speech BEFORE the election  riderinthestorm   Nov-08-08 11:37 PM   #236 
   Folks! Chimpie is alive and kickin'  liberaltrucker   Nov-08-08 11:46 PM   #239 
   Palin should be charged.  Bette Noir   Nov-08-08 11:53 PM   #240 
   "...her demagogic tone may have unintentionally encouraged white supremacists to go even further."  AZBlue   Nov-08-08 11:54 PM   #241 
   Palin is a racist bitch nt  Joey Liberal   Nov-09-08 12:04 AM   #242 
   I prefer Nazi cow.  sfexpat2000   Nov-09-08 12:51 AM   #254 
      That's a good one too:).................... nt  Joey Liberal   Nov-09-08 05:37 PM   #347 
   She is the KKKs, and Neo Nazi's wet dream..nt  and-justice-for-all   Nov-09-08 12:06 AM   #243 
   let the media know  mentalslavery   Nov-09-08 12:11 AM   #246 
   Have you posted this in the DU Activist Forum? nt  lib_wit_it   Nov-11-08 05:38 PM   #365 
   I can't stand Palin!  KalicoKitty   Nov-09-08 12:58 AM   #256 
   So it's what we suspected all along. nt  Cali_Democrat   Nov-09-08 01:09 AM   #259 
   Palin needs to NEVER be allowed to have that kind of platform EVER AGAIN. If  K Gardner   Nov-09-08 01:40 AM   #264 
   My God she is beyond horrible  AllyCat   Nov-09-08 01:59 AM   #268 
   kick and recommended  Douglas Carpenter   Nov-09-08 02:28 AM   #269 
   Sarah Failin  GeneralCobra   Nov-09-08 02:40 AM   #270 
   "horrible,selfish,vacuous woman" - and  cartach   Nov-09-08 03:14 AM   #272 
   The violence and murderous threats are still there. This example comes from freerepublic website:  Bernardo de La Paz   Nov-09-08 03:15 AM   #273 
   he could start his housecleaning by throwing away the gun  Bippity Boo   Nov-09-08 03:38 AM   #275 
   What's In a Picture?  Chipster   Nov-09-08 08:42 AM   #297 
   close  nosferaustin   Nov-09-08 09:41 AM   #306 
   That's a black horse, not a cat  ekwhite   Nov-09-08 10:06 AM   #312 
   That one should be reported to the Secret Service.  faygokid   Nov-09-08 09:57 AM   #308 
   That gun looks slightly illegal  ekwhite   Nov-09-08 10:15 AM   #315 
   A sad state of affairs this is.  democrank   Nov-09-08 04:32 AM   #278 
   I'm not the least bit surprised at this.  AngryOldDem   Nov-09-08 06:51 AM   #282 
   You summed up my thoughts  JNelson6563   Nov-09-08 07:05 AM   #285 
   For all her Bible thumping and self righteousness,  Vinca   Nov-09-08 07:29 AM   #289 
   If this was "unintentional" then McCain could have put an end to it, as soon as  myrna minx   Nov-09-08 08:00 AM   #295 
   "Unintentionally" my ass. n/t  IanDB1   Nov-09-08 08:53 AM   #299 
   The DOJ's refusal to prosecute just makes matters far worse.  Wizard777   Nov-09-08 09:37 AM   #305 
   DUers... Remember How the Corporate Media Treated This?  fascisthunter   Nov-09-08 10:11 AM   #314 
   Yes. We have a BIG problem in the corporate media. n/t  sfexpat2000   Nov-09-08 03:22 PM   #339 
   Well, that was her job. Mission Accomplished, Grifter. nt  onehandle   Nov-09-08 10:17 AM   #316 
   Sick, hate-mongering bitch...  Ronbeaux   Nov-09-08 10:30 AM   #317 
   What goes around comes around.  PfcHammer   Nov-09-08 11:15 AM   #319 
   sorry  shanti   Nov-09-08 11:31 AM   #321 
   The threat is still there...  Baby Snooks   Nov-09-08 11:28 AM   #320 
   Why the Fuck can't we Prosecute this Bitch for hate crime ??????  FUCK_BUSH   Nov-09-08 11:43 AM   #322 
   Ms. Palin may find out yet how frightening it is to be hated.  yellerpup   Nov-09-08 11:46 AM   #323 
   I've said this several times before,  Kajsa   Nov-09-08 12:29 PM   #325 
   Check out some the disgusting comments on this  Kajsa   Nov-09-08 02:08 PM   #328 
   Too bad she can't be cellmates with Tubular Ted Stevens  KamaAina   Nov-09-08 02:27 PM   #332 
   She is evil and dangerous  liberal N proud   Nov-09-08 02:55 PM   #333 
   And there are still Republicans who see her as the future of their party?  young_at_heart   Nov-09-08 03:04 PM   #337 
   uh...Republicans n/t  lelgt60   Nov-09-08 04:00 PM   #340 
   Just more proof....  wildbilln864   Nov-09-08 04:01 PM   #341 
   shipman`s reporting is misleading  madrchsod   Nov-09-08 04:11 PM   #342 
   I blame McCain and I'm disgusted that the Secret Service did not  felinetta   Nov-09-08 04:12 PM   #343 
   How about McCain being on some race relations committee and  felinetta   Nov-09-08 04:13 PM   #344 
   Blowback is a bitch - and her name is Sarah Palin...  vmaus   Nov-09-08 04:18 PM   #345 
   And Sarah Palin is the one crying about the double standard she had to endure?  Feeney2   Nov-09-08 05:37 PM   #348 
   Also the hateful fearmongering TV ads, mailouts, robocalls and McCain  wishlist   Nov-09-08 06:15 PM   #351 
   too late to rec but will kick and rec the one in gd-p  uppityperson   Nov-09-08 08:00 PM   #354 
   Perhaps that was Palin's intention - invoke another whacko to go gun nutz!  Imagevision   Nov-09-08 10:49 PM   #361 
   She also deserves a medal for not grabbing hold of that witchy Sarah P. and  Dems4me   Nov-10-08 02:06 AM   #363 
   Sarah Palin.. will be a has-been  fortyfeetunder   Nov-11-08 10:26 PM   #368 
 
baby_mouse (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-08-08 06:02 PM
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1. Well, I'm relieved that the US Secret Service are taking this kind of thing seriously.

Gives me some hope.
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DUlover2909 (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-08-08 06:20 PM
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22. Those guys are the best of the best. They take their jobs VERY seriously.
I have no doubt that they will protect him better than any other security crew in the world, and they will go to their graves before they let POTUS or the 1st Family get hurt. No worries here. :patriot:
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ngant17 (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-08-08 06:32 PM
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34. They didn't do so well for JFK
in fact, most of them were at a drinking party the night before they were scheduled to protect the President in Dallas, Nov. 22, 1963.
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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-08-08 06:39 PM
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41. most if not all of those agents would be retired or dead by now
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RollWithIt (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-08-08 06:41 PM
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45. Actually, all of them were gone within 10 years...
I watched a documentary on the JFK assassination that talked about what happened to the secret service afterwards. It was turned upside down and completely reformed.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-08-08 07:59 PM
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113. Many of them seemed to be cooperating co-conspirators ....
but THAT Secret Service clique were never held responsible --

they helped open the door to full throttle fascism as their racist instincts were

were appealed to. At the time, the Dallas police force was 50% KKK...

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281. Most of JFK's personal Secret Service detail left in the months leading up to Dallas.
Edited on Sun Nov-09-08 06:49 AM by leveymg
I recall an ABC special report aired a decade ago based on Sy Hersh's The Dark Side of Camelot that interviewed several members of JFK's personal Secret Service detail. One of them remarked that most of the guys who had been guarding Jack asked to be reassigned in the Summer and Fall of 1963. While it didn't connect the dots, the same documentary also went into Jack's womanizing, which the Service officers facilitated, particularly the President's affair with a East German woman, Ellen Rometsch, below, who the FBI believed was an intelligence agent.



Jack was accused of sharing secrets with this woman, and the affair became a scandal in Washington inner circles. See FBI Memo, 10/28/63, below. The woman was bundled off to Germany by Jack's political operatives when the story started to leak. See, http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9806E3D9...

If the Secret Service actually believed there was "pillow talk" of that kind, that would explain the fact that JFK's most trusted bodyguards left him. We all know the result.

At the very least, the Rometsch accusation was an integral part of a cover-story for the many, and more complex, motives for killing him.


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RollWithIt (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-08-08 06:40 PM
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43. Most of the current ones weren't even born yet!!!!
Gees.
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116. The long-held lesson is that the "guards" are always open to conspiracy ...
corruption --

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44. Not so good for Reagan either
as I recall it
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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-08-08 06:46 PM
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49. They only saved his life and took bullets for him...that's all.....nt
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-08-08 07:37 PM
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92. Reagan would have been killed without them
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quaker bill (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov-09-08 07:13 AM
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287. and from all reports
was nearly killed with them. I hope for better results.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-08-08 08:02 PM
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117. Chapin also is shaping up as another patsy/Manchurian Candidate ....
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ngant17 (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-08-08 08:18 PM
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132. Who is Chapin? never heard of him/her
is this someone in the Secret Service?
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1monster (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-08-08 09:37 PM
Original message
Perhaps he meant Mark David Chapman, John Lennon's assassin.
Never, ever to be confused with Harry Chapin, one of the best songwriter/story tellers ever.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-08-08 09:46 PM
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193. John Hinckley, Jr. -- apologies -- can't edit --
Edited on Sat Nov-08-08 09:48 PM by defendandprotect
Chapin was a Nixon aide, I think-???
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kayakjohnny (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-08-08 06:42 PM
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46. They were told not to do so well for JFK, by some or many people in our gov at the time.
Have you ever seen the tape of the agent running next to the car who gets called off to stand down, and he shrugs and makes gestures, like WTF? And how can you compare this to something that happened all those years ago?
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-08-08 06:50 PM
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51. And an SAS expert said that the body-guard who should have been right at Reagan's side was way Updated at 6:56 PM
out of position, much too far from him. Strange level of amateurism for a pro. And Reagan is said to have never been "his own man" again; playing golf or something like that most of the time. If I remember the article I read correctly.
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Dennis Donovan Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-08-08 09:17 PM
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181. Reagan was hit by a bullet that ricocheted off the limo...
Edited on Sat Nov-08-08 09:17 PM by Dennis Donovan
Timothy McCarthy did put himself between President Reagan and himself, and took one in the abdomen, so the system worked in that case.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov-09-08 07:56 AM
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293. Well, I can't imagine what that SAS expert was talking about then.Updated at 6:56 PM
Edited on Sun Nov-09-08 07:56 AM by KCabotDullesMarxIII
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raysr (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov-09-08 02:13 PM
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330. My therory is Reagan wasn't
doing enough of the BFEE's bidding so he needed a little "shaking up". Hinkley's and Bush's,long time pal's. Neil was supposed to have dinner with them the following evening. Or was it Jeb?

Secret Service have their "little demon's" in their heads just like the cops.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-08-08 06:50 PM
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52. The trouble with videos like that is that we never know if they're real.Updated at 1:50 AM
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Submariner Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-08-08 06:51 PM
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54. FYI: JFK assassination: Secret Service Standdown
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov-09-08 12:04 PM
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324. That video is chilling, to the max. What the HELL was going on there??
creepy.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-08-08 06:52 PM
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55. I think things have changed a lot lately. I'd be surprised if they weren't 110% onUpdated at 6:56 PM
Edited on Sat Nov-08-08 06:52 PM by KCabotDullesMarxIII
Obama's side now.
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man4allcats Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-08-08 07:15 PM
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76. Re: "how can you compare this to something that happened all those years ago?"
Those who do not learn from history are condemned to repeat it.

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-08-08 08:05 PM
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119. ...because the "guards" are corruptible ... not once, but always to be
considered possible.

Little can be done UNLESS you first weaken the protection ... turn the "guards" --

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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-08-08 06:45 PM
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48. And things changed A LOT after 11-22-63 --nt
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ngant17 (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-08-08 08:04 PM
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118. as the French say: "the more things change...
the more they stay the same."

Yet, I would like to think that there is adequate protection for Obama above and beyond what he gets the Secret Service, but after 9-11, I would think that we need more than a "reinvigorated" Secret Service for his complete protection.

For example, we know that the almighty Pentagon is not even capable of protecting itself from a direct attack by a conspiracy of terrorists (whoever they were) on its own backdoor in Washington DC. There was a serious amount of indecision in critical seconds by responsible people in government when those hijacked planes were circling Washington DC and adjacent areas.

So really, after the incredible lack of security evident from the 911 attacks, it is not unthinkable that there could be an inside job/coup against Obama, and could it come from compromised Secret Service agents or DHS agents?

Perhaps what's really protecting Obama is the thought of VP Biden (and Pelosi) taking over, if he was suddenly assassinated by something more than your usual lone nut with a lucky shot or two. We won't be left with some dopey Texas hick (and faithful servant of the military industrial complex), as we got from LBJ after Kennedy was taken out. In our case today, it ought to be "out of the frying pan, into the fire", if there is another internal conspiracy this time. At best, the smart conspirators might end up in a sort of stalemate this time, they would not be turning back the clock, at worst there would be a serious backlash against the right wing extremists and any renegade CIA black ops who would likely be behind some of these shenanigans.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-08-08 08:09 PM
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120. They'll be trying to control him immediately .. getting the word to him probably
even by now as to who is really in control --
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CoffeeCat (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-08-08 08:22 PM
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138. You've hit on a note that I wondered about...
Edited on Sat Nov-08-08 08:23 PM by TwoSparkles
What really goes on behind the scenes? Who really is in control, and how
much power does the President really have?

And if it's true, that the President is taken to a room and told "This is how
things are going to go down", how do they control that President?

It sounds like the stuff of conspiracy movies. However, when you see the Dems
and Reps working in tandem to pull off what has happened in the past eight years,
it really makes you wonder just what in the heck is really going on.

Imagine...being a true patriot and a Constitutional scholar, and being led into
a room and told that it's all an illusion--in which you will be playing the
starring role.

If it's not a movie...it should be.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-08-08 09:37 PM
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191. "..how do they control that President?" ...
Edited on Sat Nov-08-08 09:42 PM by defendandprotect
From what I've read/noticed .... Carter could tell us a lot ...

he tried to and they pulled the sound for 20 mins as he talked w/no words coming out --

Obviously, they used the heat of hostage situation to "swiftboat" him ...

And put on new NIGHTLINE/Koppel show every night to keep it going...

Few topics are as incendiary among public as hostages/POW's and that's why

governments don't usually admit to their POW's still held when a war ends.

The hostage situation echoed those feelings.


THEN .. there's the question of the failed Carter rescue attempts --

Ollie North and another like him (was it Secord?) headed them up--!!!!


AND then the pretty much proven "October Surprise" -- which, btw, Gates played

a major role in...


Additionally, it's suggested that Carter was sent a strong message in regular and repeated

reports to him of planned assassination attempts -- until he pretty much had to consider

them suggestions of what they would do to him if he persisted ...

I think he stll tried and was repeatedly betrayed--!!


CLINTON -- you probably lived thru --

How many crazed gun nuts firing into WH from sidewalk area--?

A small plane actually flying into WH close to bedroom areas --

Helms' comments/threats in Senate --

Limbaugh inciting to violence --

They were attacking him before he took office -- and then it NEVER stopped--

"Christian" right was more powerful then -- a bit weaker now, I hope!


REAGAN ... some say after attack on him Bush became president ...!!!


NIXON was a vicious and murderous man who evidently thought his handlers/owners

wouldn't act against him cause he knew too much -- whether they needed to get

rid of him -- (he seems to have been psychotic) --or whether his own arrogance

and not well-hidden criminality caused his downfall, I don't know ...

The Dems seemed to have been gaining info on '63 coup on government/JFK --

and the plan seems to have been to PLANT info that Dems were taking $$$ from

Russian Communists ---

and, too, back up scandal of Dems using prostitutes --







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ngant17 (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-08-08 10:12 PM
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211. I suppose the "Mighty Wurlitzer" can turn off the sound
as they might choose. I vaguely remember the audio going dead on Pres. Carter's speech, although I've forgotten the details of that story. Anyone recall the specifics?

"...the CIA "uses far more resources in its propaganda operations than any single news agency.... In fact, the CIA propaganda budget is as large as the combined budgets of Reuters, United Press International and the Associated Press."

Sean Gervasi. CIA Covert Propaganda Capability. Covert Action Information Bulletin, No. 7, December 1979 - January 1980, pp. 18-20.
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CoffeeCat (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-08-08 10:42 PM
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220. That's all very interesting...
...and seriously--it sounds like the backdrop of a good movie.

With what has happened in our government--it gives a person pause
and room for a lot of doubt about what is really going on.

The questions is...who are "they?" Who are the behind-the-scenes
people who are controlling things? How in the world could a decent
person not collapse under the weight of being President--and discovering
that all of the Americans you just met and made promises to--are the victims
of a massive coup and fraud?

I didn't know that about Carter's 20 minutes of silence, in which the sound
was pulled. I never heard about that. I was pretty young and not
paying attention to politics at that time. Any other info on that, would
be greatly appreciated.

It's interesting that you identify Republicans (Nixon, Reagan) as Presidents
who are victims of these people, not in cahoots with them. I've always been
under the impression that the nutjob wing of the Republican party (neocons)
are the real devils who have their claws inside the powerful groups who
control much of the corruption and profit from it. I've always seen the
neocons as being at the epicenter of all of this--with Progressive Dems
and some Republicans being victims.

Who knows...it's hard to decipher it all.

Thanks for the interesting post.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov-09-08 12:08 AM
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244. Let me correct ...
It's interesting that you identify Republicans (Nixon, Reagan) as Presidents
who are victims of these people, not in cahoots with them.



quickly any impression I gave you that Nixon or Reagan weren't deeply involved
--absolutely knowingly as in Nixon's case ... or simply a dishonest man as
REAGAN moving to the side of $$$/power because he could early on not stand up
against it, or felt threatened by it, himself --- one way or another...
The Reagans -- personally -- seemed to have wide eyes on wealth/comfort.

But Reagan was no Altar boy ... I think he would have defended 'n supported
a coup on JFK as a "Commie" ... I think he may have at least been sounded out
on sympathy for such a plan. May not have been presented in other than terms
of JFK being a threat to nation. Remember, Reagan also worked for the ultra
right-wing/fascist GE -- his bread 'n butter.


In NIXON's case, I think he misunderstood his power to blackmail those elites
he did murderous work for and their willingness to act aggressively against him --
and I think he knew pretty much ALL of the most recent history because he was an
active participant in it --
and I think he also didn't recognize in time he was becoming vulnerable to losing
control of those underlings who had done dirty work for him and capable of blackmailing
him ... Howard Hunt, for instance.

At that point we still had something left of liberal courts
-- not positive about press -- whether story was actually arranged to be given
to Woodward to unseat Nixon or whether WAPOST was out there alone on story--
oddity of McCord involvement and his "confession" -- not really sure.


The question is...who are "they?"

THEY are the same people/gene pool Founders dealt with - elites --
and the hand's on gangsters who serve them - those with the know-how.
Large corporations ...wealthy who control our natural resources --

THEY control the secrets and wealth/power .. obviously, much wealth/power comes
from phoney drug war. This is an old game/enterprise.

What secrets are higher than that ...?
Reality of Global Warming one danger for them they've been busy hiding --
ET's .. ? IMO ... yes.

"Information is power" ...controlling and hiding it provides a way to control
and manipulate public.

Re this ...

I didn't know that about Carter's 20 minutes of silence, in which the sound
was pulled. I never heard about that. I was pretty young and not
paying attention to politics at that time. Any other info on that, would
be greatly appreciated.


I actually watched it happen ... and given the propaganda that so successfully made
him look like a fool, the fiasco of the sound loss simply looked to me at the time as
ANOTHER Carter administration failure and Immoved on rather than truly questioning
how this could be happening. I didn't wake up until 1988--!!!
Check memories here, but I don't think press ever challenged idea of such a thing happening--???

Re this ...

I've always been under the impression that the nutjob wing of the Republican party (neocons)
are the real devils who have their claws inside the powerful groups who
control much of the corruption and profit from it. I've always seen the
neocons as being at the epicenter of all of this--


Yes -- current identity of those controlling the highest hill agreed -- neo-cons/PNAC.
But for 50,000+ years it is patriarchal violence which turned world upside down...
and gave authority to their "male superiority" with underpinning of organized patriarchal
religions. They used Bible to cement patriarchy.

M8ch power came from derived oppressing the MAJORITY gender --
Patriarchal religion has had numerous enemies -- women, homosexuals, Jews, pagans,
native peoples, Africans -- all to be exploited.

"Manifest Destiny" and "Man's Dominion over Nature" are the religious licenses to the
elite to exploit nature, natural resources, animal-life --and even other human beings
according to various myths of inferiority.


PS --

Read about attempted coup on FDR ... elite/corporatists, including Prescott Bush-
Nixon's mentor.

(Also see "Brig. Gen. Smedley Darlington Butler/"War Is A Racket!!"
He was also whistle-blower on FDR coup.)

AND, If you watch "All the President's Men" be sure uncut --

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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov-09-08 03:19 AM
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274. And if you believe all this - you're crazy -nt
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kayakjohnny (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov-09-08 07:14 AM
Response to Reply #138
288. Good point there. And one could only imagine his reaction.
Yes, what does go on behind the scenes?
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jhrobbins (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov-09-08 02:59 PM
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335. I read that some government official(perhaps someone here knows)
said that if an assasin was willing to give up his life in the attempt, that thwarting an assasination would be very difficult.
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Imagevision (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov-09-08 10:48 PM
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360.  And things changed A LOT after 11-22-63 - right, they then did MLK then RFK...
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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Nov-10-08 12:40 AM
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362. Excuse me? Neither one were protected by the Secret Service!
In fact, it was Bobby Kennedy's assassination that brought about giving protection to candidates in the primaries.
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rambler_american Donating Member (506 posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-08-08 07:14 PM
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75. because they were ordered to stand down
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sandrakae (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-08-08 07:41 PM
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96. They learned a lot from that. I can't see us ever going through something like that again.
Heck one through himself in front of Ronald Reagan and took a bullet for him.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-08-08 08:10 PM
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121. Dream on ....
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-08-08 08:43 PM
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166. I saw a documentary on the evolution of the Secret Service
If you recall JFK was riding in an open air convertible down public streets that weren't guarded by SS. You'll also notice that it was the last time that has happened. Presidents travel inside bullet proof special made cars that are like armored tanks. They actually have a chasis that can withstand a minor bomb blast as well as solid steel sides and roofs. Those cars travel with the President to other countries too, and they weigh so much it takes a crane to put them into the transports that carry them.

The SS has always grown and learned and evolved based on the last assassination or attempt at one. What we don't see at those public rallies is the incredible security around them. There are SS on all the rooftops, and on every floor who have checked out every single room within eye shot of where the candidate will be. That's why it's such a hassle when the President travels to any town. Whole Avenues and neighborhoods are shut down and controlled during the visit.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-08-08 09:21 PM
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182. Yep, I've seen some of their security measures.
It's not only Secret Service, but hundreds of local cops. Everything from beat-patrolmen walking the crowds to cops on horseback, K9 units with bomb-sniffing dogs, SWAT teams with enough weapons to arm Bolivia.

There is a hell of a lot of security around Obama events, and Obama himself I've seen riding in a big black tour bus, probably highly modified with window glass that's six inches thick and enough armor to withstand anything short of a nuclear blast. They don't fuck around.
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jxnmsdemguy65 (114 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-08-08 10:43 PM
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221. yep, just finished reading Abraham Bolden's book...
"The Echo from Dealy Plaza".... about a black Secret Service agent who complained about the lax security around Kennedy and was convicted on trumped up charges and sent to federal prison and damn near destroyed in retaliation... interesting book that came out this year.
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Realityhack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov-09-08 08:00 PM
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355. Don't forget that open topped car wasn't the idea of the SS. even at that time. n/t
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haydukelives (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-08-08 08:50 PM
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169. that was then
this is now, things are different.
President Obama (say that out loud, sounds so good!)
will have the finest security anywhere.
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Merlot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-08-08 09:57 PM
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203. That was definatly a different era
Can you imagine any president now being allowed to ride in a convertible?

Things are very different now. They have much better tools to fight any attempts at the presidents life.

Personally I'd rather believe they will keep him safe.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-08-08 10:19 PM
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216. There were two agents who were supposed to run alongside the Kennedy limo, who were
Edited on Sat Nov-08-08 11:04 PM by bertman
there to shield him from assassin's bullets or to give physical cover to him, but both were ordered to stay beside the car following behind Kennedy's. Several accounts say they tried to do their job and had to be ordered back to the following car after protesting to their superior.

No doubt there was complicity with the assassins by someone in the Secret Service that day. Who ordered it and why is still not known or has been kept as another state secret among many related to the JFK assassination.

On edit: Oops. I hadn't read down far enough to see the videos showing those incidents.
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226. Things have changed in 45 years.
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302. No they haven't!~
GHW bush is deeply involved, he's still with us.........and marvin, jeb, & neil are brighter than their brother & still there, ( Not to mention uncles & cousins) With the support of Rev Sun Moon, convicted for tax evasion filthy rich ( his company may have been the distributer for the last seafood you ate!: big money maker seafood distribution; like BEER!) crowned King in the Senate Dirkson Bldg in the summer of '04!
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Spiffarino (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov-09-08 03:42 AM
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276. Kennedy insisted on having an open car
There wasn't a lot they could have done once that decision was made. They couldn't have swept the entire route by the time the motorcade began.
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Realityhack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov-09-08 07:57 PM
Response to Reply #276
353. Very good reply.
Had things gone as planned the secret service service would have prevented that assassination with the use of the armored glass.
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rucognizant (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov-09-08 08:55 AM
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301. They were probably handpicked!
A lot of powerful men were involved in that asassaination!
It is saod that one of the RFK gunmen WAS a secret service man!
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mentalslavery (215 posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov-09-08 10:04 AM
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311. Contact the media
contact the media, click on my journal to find out how
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Imagevision (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov-09-08 10:41 PM
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359. JFK was an inside job
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SpankMe (47 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov-09-08 06:40 PM
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352. Why aren't they arresting Palin, then?
There have been at least a half dozen stories over the last five years of young teens (14 and under) passing in homework assignments (or posting to their MySpace pages) with artwork or creative writing that contained references to violence against Pres. Bush. The Secret Service was all over these.

It's great that they're catching on to these white supremacist assholes whose actions appear to be motivated by over-the-top Republican rhetoric. The USSS remains one of the "cleanest" and most effective security agencies in government.

But, if you can get arrested for merely using the word "bomb" in an airport - even when referring to a bad night club act - then why can't Palin be charged with inciting violence? Where can I get this kind of deferential treatment?
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ngant17 (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Nov-10-08 07:43 PM
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364. Best of the best? What about that SS agent soliciting DC prostitutes
you know, the one who just got busted by Metro police today, I wouldn't qualify him as having the calibre and judgement to protect Pres. Obama.

I'm starting to really worry about his safety in the White House now.
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-08-08 07:39 PM
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95. They better be good. The reich wing continues to whip up a frenzy.
Somebody on the reich has got to condemn Limbaugh. It's never happened, but he's out of control with his hate.

I don't care who it is, but maybe Gingrich can take him on. Hannity won't, nor will the coward O'Reilly, by name.
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bulloney (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-08-08 08:27 PM
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142. If they're going to hang the increased threats on Palin, Limbaugh, et al deserves their fair share
of the blame, too and need to be reprimanded.

Poor little Sarah. Seems like everyone's unloading on her now that she's of no value to the McCain campaign and the Republican party.

My question is when will it be Joe the Plumber's turn.
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-08-08 09:47 PM
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194. A friendly visit by the FBI would tone down a lot of the vitriol
Maybe they'll make a few house calls in the next weeks. That would tone it all way, way down. The screaming banshees Limbaugh is really a coward.
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lib_wit_it Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Sun Nov-09-08 12:52 AM
Response to Reply #194
255. Oh, that's something I'd love to see. Though the Rs would have
a field day of I-told-you-soing about Obama's plans to be a dictator (along with Socialsit and Marxist and Communist and Constitutionalist and all those other -ists.) I'd say, "Good, let 'em worry," but with them stocking up on firearms and all, I don't know what to think. But, Limbaugh, Hannity, and Palin, and McCain, too need to feel some of the fear they are manifesting with their hate and lies.
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1Hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov-09-08 02:58 PM
Response to Reply #142
334. No, no, no, no, no. McInsane chose her or, if his handlers did, the end result is the same:
he couldn't "handle" his handlers, nor Sarah's, nor Sarah. Speaks VOLUMES about his INABILITY to lead or take control of a situation, IMO. It makes them touting themselves as 'mavericks' that much more laughable.

And think how it looked to the rest of the world. THAT, "my friends", is a reflection on the good ol' USA. ANY chain is only as strong as its weakest link.

Not only is the RepubliKLAN party the weakest link, they FOUND the missing link in Sarah Palin and JtP, imho.
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1Hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov-09-08 03:03 PM
Response to Reply #142
336. Have you seen this 2-part film on YouTube about the consequence of Hate Speech?
Edited on Sun Nov-09-08 03:03 PM by 1Hippiechick
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov-09-08 06:55 AM
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284. Did you notice the glass surrounding the Obamas at his acceptance speech?
I suspect it was bullet proof glass or some kind of shield. I think the SS is working hard to protect our new president.
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mentalslavery (215 posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov-09-08 10:03 AM
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310. Contact the media
Contact the media, click on my journal to find out how
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mentalslavery (215 posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov-09-08 10:10 AM
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313. let the media know

that they are have to take responsibility for what they have started. This is how I am going to handle the treats and false accusations. Hopefully the MSM will fill obligated to pressure McCain/Palin to make a formal statement.


Like me, some of you are trolling RW-blogs and are aware of the on-line hate speech directed toward Obama.

We must let them know- The world is watching-They can affect history

First, please collect the hate comments everyday, everyplace you find them, and include as much information as you can, permalinks, site managers/editors/and any relevant information. Please organize the information by blog as well as post or comment section and put it in a word document attached to an email.

Second, Lets create a non-stop righteous flood of emails to every media outlet possible.

I am including this statement (welcome to use it or get some inspiration);

Over the course of this campaign the world witnessed a man who promised to help us come together. He traveled almost non-stop, inspiring people all over the nation, fostering a new spirit in America and abroad. What we witnessed on Election Day has never occurred in human history-global celebration and unity.

For that reason, it saddens me greatly to inform you that the disturbing pattern of hate and violent rhetoric towards Obama still exists, and might be growing. This attachment contains the offensive websites and comments found. Please read through this and make some type of live announcement.

Despite hopes to the contrary, it seems many people are convinced that this man is the enemy and a terrorist. It seems clear that such reckless and frequent use of strong labels during a time of war against our commander and chief-elect has the potential to disrupt the chain of command. Undoubtly, it is possible that family members of the deployed armed service members might hold such beliefs and quite possibly the deployed themselves.

During the election season, the self-interested justified the discussion of lengthy narratives that invoked imagery of terrorist acts or foreign subversive identity merely for the sake of recounting and creating fear. False questions, stated as a means of implying the existence of unknown plans, as well as �associations� have served to distort some about how this country might change. In addition to fears about war and economic crisis, new fears are emerging about those who might be un-American. However, he did not fail us but we are failing him.

Despite the slanderous tone, demeaning references to previous service, this leader demonstrated restraint, patience, and forgiveness during his acceptance speech in which he reaffirmed his commitment to the care and protection of one American.


I had the instant feeling that things were going to get a little better and that the first crack in a significant barrier opened let a little light through. Like a gravitational force pulling me off my couch transfixing me to the screen, a celebration broke out that electrified the globe. People were dancing and crying and hugging, masses in the streets of large cities, an international moment of collective joy and peace emerged, and I could not believe what I was witnessing. I never realized that level of unity was possible, to share a moment of �global closeness� like that, was powerful

The dancing and joy was the celebration of the long journey to a different type of politics, one virtually none of us initially believed in, a type about us and not the power of a leader, one more kind and honest, in which we over come cynicism and doubt, and say yes we can. There has been much discussion about race and its significance in this election and also evident is the realization that an inspirational figure promised us that if he could run a campaign that treated everyone with respect and dignity then the American people would elect him as the next president, and we did.


Former non-believer
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-08-08 06:04 PM
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2. K&R. (nt)
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the blues (150 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov-09-08 12:11 AM
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247. Love that sig pic
:headbang:
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-08-08 06:04 PM
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3. Prosecute
I'm not kidding. She should be prosecuted.
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Happyhippychick Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Sat Nov-08-08 06:11 PM
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9. I agree 100%
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lib_wit_it Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Sat Nov-08-08 06:14 PM
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12. I completely agree. Prosecute her for hate speech. But then, we
can't even get Bush, Cheney, Rummy, etc., prosecuted, so good luck with that.

Arrrggggggghhhhhhh! I guess she's inspired a little hate in me too--I hate her. She's an equal opportunity bile factory.
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-08-08 06:17 PM
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17. We're going to have a real Attorney General come Jan 20th n/t
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-08-08 08:11 PM
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123. It could have been Elliot Spitzer --
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-08-08 08:16 PM
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128. Not bloody likely!
I'd go for Patrick J. Fitzgerald

If not as AG, at least as independent prosecutor.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-08-08 09:08 PM
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177. I mean Spitzer BEFORE the scandal --
His head has always been screwed on very well re government/Wall St corruption --

Spitzer was headed towards saving us from a lot of stuff we're going thru now re economy ...

WH stopped him --



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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-08-08 10:13 PM
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213. Not Fitzgerald. He failed to call or to indict Cheney in the Plame matterUpdated at 3:50 AM
although he knew very well that Cheney was behind it. He could have called Cheney as a witness at the very least.
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JPettus (356 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov-09-08 01:31 AM
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263. He wanted to
But was blocked by lack of testimony from people like Scooter Libby. Hence the charges of obstruction of justice and perjury on Libby (who was then pardoned by the criminal Bush admin.)

Fitzgerald went as far as he could obtain compelling evidence.
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov-09-08 04:39 PM
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346. Commuted, not pardoned.
Just sayin'.
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catrose Donating Member (327 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-08-08 08:22 PM
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139. could have been John Edwards
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Lena inRI (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-08-08 08:53 PM
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171. And that should be Vincent Bugliosi. . .


. . .CARPE DIEM !

http://youngturks.wmod.llnwd.net/a591/o1/7-14-08Buglios...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vincent_Bugliosi

With just this one selection, President Obama says he is serious about upholding the U.S Constitution and the unequivocal pursuit of justice.

Of course, Obama should announce this appointment as close to 1/20/09 as possible.

:smoke: :smoke: :smoke: :smoke: :smoke:
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-08-08 09:05 PM
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176. Not a bad choice!
:thumbsup:
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov-09-08 01:00 AM
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257. Seconded
Edited on Sun Nov-09-08 01:00 AM by kgfnally
Manson prosecution

As a Los Angeles County Assistant District Attorney, he successfully prosecuted Charles Manson and several other members of his "family" for the 1969 murders of Sharon Tate and six others. He lost only one of the 106 felony cases he tried as a prosecutor, which included winning 21 out of 21 murder cases. He later authored (with Curt Gentry) a book about the Manson trial called Helter Skelter. The book went on to be the biggest selling true crime book in publishing history with over 7 million copies sold.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vincent_Bugliosi
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ToolTex (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov-09-08 02:22 PM
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331. Announce Bugliosi for AG today and watch how fast W gets his a@@ to Paraguay.
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MessiahRp Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-08-08 10:25 PM
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217. Personally I want Jonathan Turley
He would kick ass and take names.

Rp
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rwenos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-08-08 06:16 PM
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15. Hard to Win these Cases
The test is did Palin advocate "imminent lawless action." By "imminent" the courts have historically meant "RIGHT NOW."

The classic case I read in law school was where some rocker screamed at a crowd at a street rally "After the concert -- let's take the streets later!" Advocacy of lawless action, certainly. But not advocacy of IMMINENT lawless action.

On the other hand there may be federal statutes with particular reference to presidential candidates, which I would not know. I defer to experts out there.
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JetCityLiberal (622 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-08-08 06:20 PM
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23. Yes
:thumbsup:

Paul
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Delphinus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Sat Nov-08-08 06:23 PM
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24. And it should be front page news.
Everyone should know what she's done - have it spelled out in plain, simple English.
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Doodler71 (263 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-08-08 07:11 PM
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74. I agree. I hope they would, but dout it will happen.
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zonmoy (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-08-08 09:13 PM
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178. I agree
I wonder why she isnt sitting in a jail cell awaiting trial for incitement to murder or conspiracy to commit murder.
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MNReformer (187 posts)