The White House says it has requested Bush's full military record now

[NNN0LHI]

CNN just reported it. Also said that they won't say whether they will release any of it or not. No link. I will look for one, and if none is available yet I will post the CNN transcript when it is up on the CNN site.

Don

[Beetwasher]

1. So They Were Lying Yesterday

When they said they already got everything they could? Ha Ha!

[Lex]

5. Haven't they said that twice now?

I agree with you here.

They keep saying they've released everything, then they dribble out a little more.

They really are screwing themselves badly on how they are handling this. And I'm glad of that. I think this dribbling out of the information makes the press even MORE interested.

[Stanchetalarooni]

14. The car salesman told me at least four times that ............

......."this is the absolutely lowest I can go" on the price of the automobile that I eventually bought.
Isn't it all so much 'buying and selling'?
Talking story.
Telling the truth?
Just what is the truth, anyways?
Or a lie, for that matter.
Nothing personal, I'm sure.
It's just business (as usual).

[KansDem]

23. I'm surprised Scott McClellan doesn't take a question...

...then say something like, "Hmmm. Let me run that by my manager," only to return a couple of minutes later and say, "Yes, these are ALL the documents..."

Then another incriminating form surfaces and the charade is repeated again...

[arwalden]

33. Bingo! (Was His Name-o!)

You gottit!

-- Allen

[KansDem]

36. No! No! You got it wrong! Those were his "full" records yesterday...

Today, they are his "fuller" records...

Tomorrow, they'll be his "fullest" records.

Wait and see! :)

on edit: Ask for his "full" records, you get his "full" records...

[DS1]

45. and then they'll be the full records - extreme edition

and then the Ultimate edition, and finally the full records - the Criterion Collection :evilgrin:

[Purrfessor]

68. Also, don't forget, are the full-records-related-program-activities....

n/t

[papau]

2. Show everything - or cover-up? I bet on cover-up - with impeachment soon!

:-)

[mn9driver]

11. I don't think this is impeachable-that would be as silly as

impeaching a president over...oh, never mind.:evilgrin:

[jus_the_facts]

3. They're gonna MANUFACTURE some records.....

.....and just watch after sayin' on the news yesterday too that nobody remembers servin' with him.... they'll have found somebody to drag up who REMEMBERS servin' with him too! :puke:

[Dhalgren]

13. It would be real hard

for them to "maufacture" a living witness who remembered Bush in Alabama. It would be too prone to meltdown. Anyone who was lying about remembering him would easily be toasted on cross examination. No, they will flush out some kind of hokey document and say "case closed". Will it work? I'm not sure, anymore, that it will. The blood appears to be in the water.

[jus_the_facts]

22. Look what they've already gotten away with....this is nothing......

.....they get away with EVERYTHING....they follow NO RULES....all that's been known and shown over the last 4 year alone and not much of anything has made him look bad for more than a few days....this will be a flash in the pan dissin' by the media like all the rest have been.

[Occulus]

47. But it's the little things

that bring down the mighty. Something of a truism, but for a reason.

The media, I think, knows very well that the jig is up. I bet, behind the scenes, they're trying to find something to pin on * that'll stick. The first time ones of their number start being disappeared, we'll know :tinfoilhat:

I think this admin's days are numbered, and I no longer as strongly believe those days extend to November. My fear is that they'll get desperate to stay in power if they see something they don't like coming.

Desperate, cornered animals are dangerous. This particulr animal has Ultimate Power.

I dare not think what could happen.

[jus_the_facts]

50. but they own the media...if they do turn on him....I'll be amazed....

.....it'll be some kind of f'n MIRACLE....there's already been several little things that've tuned a mole hill into a mountain....but it seems to matter not....the votin' machines have been installed and enough dirty election officials have been paid off well by now too....they've got us RIGHT where they want us!!! :evilfrown:

[Media_Lies_Daily]

53. Find Operation Mockingbird on Google...

...and first, tell me the purpose of the operation, and second, which agency has been running that operation since it was put into action.

That agency is at war with the occupants of the White House...that's why so much stuff has been coming out over the last couple of months. It all started with the "outing" of Valerie Plame.

The last two presidents to cross this agency did not survive their current terms in office: JFK and Nixon.

[jus_the_facts]

63. well w/o havin' to google.....that'd be the CIA.....

.....I'll believe it when I see it...untill then my cynical self won't be so easily fooled! :evilfrown:

[MaineDem]

57. DOn't you think...

that if one served in the Guard with a guy who eventually was made President, he (or she) would remember it??? And these people wopuld be talking up a storm? "I remember George when we..." There doesn't appear to be any of these guys.

I agree, any person coming forward now would be suspect.

This all smells to me.

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

52. they found some one

today on local nbc affliate in dc (nbc) they had some good old boy in alabama standing outside his house (shack more like it) saying he was with bush during the campaign in alabama and that bush said he had to leave to go to ng duty. the movement of his lips weren't in sync with the words he was saying. i started laughing.

[Occulus]

56. That's.... kinda chilling.

[Lostmessage]

55. The funny thing will be

No one will remember serving with who they drag out to say that they served with *.

They will photo shop some pictures to make them look like they were in the service together.

[GoddessOfGuinness]

66. And that somebody will soon be

mysteriously wealthier than he used to be.

[JPace]

4. This one is hard to spin.....

If they forge documents its likely to draw
out witnesses from the past who tell the
truth.

rOve is sweating this one, AWOL himself must
be praying to be saved from all this.

Isn't it special watching this immature rich
kid who has ALWAYS been rescued from any
personal failure finally have to own failure?

[joeunderdog]

42. If I were chimp, I'd come clean. It would bring closure.

I'd hope people would forget about it by the election. Whether he admits it or not, he looks very guilty, and now he looks like he's lying on top of it even though he's not "technically" telling lies. Might as well say what really happened and try and say it doesn't effect how you run a country (aground, in Chimp's case.)

I'm glad they're going with the tried and true--one lie to protect another lie. The press is all over this. I love it.

[JailForBush]

6. Wouldn't it be amazing if they found weapons of mass destruction in Irar,

captured Osama bin Laden and discovered a forgotten video of George W. Bush flying a fighter jet - all on the same day?

[placton]

7. Bush promised, just last Sunday, on MTP

he would release all records. This could be a "record" for lying, even for him!

[pink_poodle]

8. Ummmm.......isn't the WH ..........Bush, et al????? sheesh!

"

[Brotherjohn]

9. In my mind, "release all records" means make all available to everyone.

They should be instructing the DOD, or whoever has them, to send them straight to CNN, CBS, NBC, ABC, Fox, the NY Times, the Washington Post and the WSJ. THAT would be releasing the records. Not releasing them to yourself so you can review them first.

They might as well say "When we said 'release all records', we didn't say to WHOM. We meant to ourselves! You need to listen better next time!"

I also found it mighty interesting that the Post pointed out today:
"The typed documents are in contrast to the other documents in Bush's personnel file, which offer handwritten, detailed pages of dates of service in the earlier years." (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A30494-2004Feb10.html )

They're coming close to saying they have a hunch that these latest documents were more "recently manufactured" than "recently discovered".

[Gman]

10. Lets make it easy for the White House...

tell them to go here: http://www.awolbush.com

[lindashaw]

12. Talking Points Memo transcript showed Scott as promising to get more

information for the reporter who was requesting it. He said it would be forthcoming soon. This must be it.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

15. Article here: Bush did his duty – six days in a year (snarf)

"...Yesterday's records release, however, still leaves unexplained gaps during Mr Bush's time with the National Guard, both in Alabama and later in Texas, and there is nothing to dispute past comments by his former superiors, who have no recollection of him reporting for duty...

The released material includes annual retirement point summaries and pay records. The documents indicate Mr Bush was paid for only six days during that 12 months.

He was not credited for any service from May to September in 1972. He was paid for two days in October and four days in November....

Senator Kerry, Mr Bush's likely election foe, would not go into the matter yesterday.
"It's not an issue that I chose to create. It's not my record that's at issue," he said. (ROCK ON JOHN!!!)

http://www.theadvertiser.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,8657544%255E912,00.html

[starroute]

27. And those six days were just before and after the 1972 election

So you are left with a scenario where Bush goes off to work as an assistant campaign manager in Alabama, doesn't perform any sort of National Guard service for months, but suddenly runs off to put in some time just over a week before the election and then again a couple of days after.

I just don't buy it.

It looks more like he might have gotten special permission to skip the two training sessions closest to the election, and therefore was credited and paid for those, but not for the other sessions that he blew off.

[Occulus]

49. Kerry's baiting the * admin

into criticizing him. I'd say he's eager to discuss his own record, in which his achievements are clear, vs. the Chimp-in-Chief's.

I would have done the same; on this issue Kerry is easily in a position to politically taunt *. All the records- especially those being "released" now- support Kerry vs. *.

[Scairp]

16. It seems quite clear

Just the way this issue is being handled by the White House Mafia is an indication of how nervous they are. It shouldn't be like pulling teeth to get these records, especially since it isn't going away, which is what they have been hoping would happen. I think if the true record of Shrub's Guard service is revealed, he will be toast come November.

[tibbiit]

18. I thought they said a while back

that the records were all lost in fires. More lies.
tib

[Brotherjohn]

20. No. The dog ate them.

[quispquake]

17. A special thanx to Michael Moore...

He really started the ball rolling on this one (four years too late, but I'm kinda enjoying the whole current Shrubbery meltdown).

[GoldenOldie]

19. Rumsfield request for Georgie's TANG records??

Did anyone post yesterday that Rumsfeld requested all of George's National Guard records be shipped to the Pentagon???? If so, this could really be a "scrubbing" in the works.

[bigtime]

21. to the Pentagon?

I think they have some of those big, fine, Halliburton shredders down there in the Pentagon basement, very thorough, very fast. Gotta nip it!

[Shadder]

25. Yeah

I don't have the link in front of me but it was reported in the St Louis media that the records that were in storage there (I thought they were in Colorado?) were shipped to DC.

[MoonAndSun]

24. They have requested them so they can use Photoshop and make

little georgie look good. It will not work. The can of worms has been opened and they can not get the worms back in!!:evilgrin:

[Name removed]

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[Beetwasher]

28. Ha Ha!

Sucks to be a Bushbot these days doesn't? I guess the cognitive dissonance is making you a little loopy...Too bad your boy is a pathetic coward a liar and a miserable failure. Sucks for you.

[AZCat]

29. We ARE bitter and angry...

This is only one issue out of hundreds that we have with the BFEE. Plenty of time until November to drag all the skeletons out of *'s closet...

[joycep]

30. Why don't you turn yourself in to the nearest mental institution?

Bush lied and lied and lied.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

32. Frankly, our country is in serious trouble....

if folks like you are "undecided" on Bush.

The craziest, most rightwing, destroyer of economy and the environment, warmongering "president" our country has every had and you are UNDECIDED?

Honey, it's not us that needs to get a clue...

[snooper2]

34. Blah Blah Blah Blah...

You got your heroic little chimp on a flight deck and now you are scared to know the truth about the backwards POS. Some people can focus on more than one issue at a time, unlike freepers and Karl Rove, who seems to be having a little trouble these days...

CIA name leak
No WMD
No Anthrax killer
No Osama (of course he is your October suprise right?)
Cheney's Energy Docs
9/11 Commission
Troops dying daily in Iraq - tied - to Chimpy's lies

Oh yeah, and your Commander-In-Chimp was AWOL, boo hoo hoo

[wildwww2]

35. Yes! I am bitter and angry over what a court appointed idiot has done!

To my country! If you don`t like my freedom of speech. Get Over It!
Or start your own country. Without mass voting fraud your side would not hold a prayer and you know it.
Peace
Wildman
Al Gore is My President

[jokerman93]

38. Welcome Gina Marie

You're new here. Please join in. Stick around. You'll have access here to real news, research, analysis and debate that (I think) can't be found in many other places. I expect you'll learn allot about how the American political machine actually works (or doesn't) these days.

Personally I don't hate Bush. He'd be amusing if he were a TV personality or a village idiot, but the sad fact is he's a political puppet who has the lives and destiny of millions of human beings in his bloody, incompetent hands.

If you think the wave of resistance against the Bush regime is nothing but infantile resentment, it's not that simple. The AWOL issue is a weapon we (urgently) must use against those who hold our country and constitution captive to corporate greed and messianic dogmas.

If you keep an open mind, and read critically, you'll find DU a very rich resource for educating yourself.

[joycep]

43. God bless you Jokerman

I just got so mad I can't be reasonable. Maybe your words will help her stay around and learn.

[american-girl]

44. from Gina

First, thank you Jokerman. I appreciate your kind of debating as opposed to the way the others responded. I feel that no one gets anywhere by spouting words that stem from such anger. If there was something for me to learn here, it is people like you that I could learn from...the others seem unproductive.

Obviously it is impossible to stay involved here. I am truly interested to hear what all of you have to say on issues but it seems as soon as someone shows any sign at all of disagreement like I did, I am booted from this board. So what purpose will this forum serve if no one is allowed to speak that just might not agree with absolutely everything said here??? It will serve NO purpose - it is then only a place for all of you that think exactly alike to feed off of each other. Therefore you are not educating anyone else that may actually benefit from understanding your stand on issues. So Jokerman, I appreciate the invitation to stay around and "learn" but I'm sure after I post this message I will be booted again - and I will not be back if that happens.

By the way, anyone can sit on a board and write all day to people that share the exact same views, thoughts, etc. But what is the point of that if you're not able to share and write with people that might have differant points of view than you? If that's the case here then this truly is a waste of time, and I will gladly accept being booted from the board for a 2nd and last time.

[unbrand]

51. Another welcome to you, american-girl

You wrote a lot of truth in your post. It _is_ easy for us all to sit around and grouse amongst ourselves. And you're right, when someone of a different opinion shows up with a willingness to learn, we all should welcome that person with open arms.

Many of us (including myself) are very frustrated with family members, co-workers, random people in bars, etc., who disagree with us in a belligerent fashion and are not willing to listen to what we have to say. Thanks for having the guts to be willing to listen and come back after being booted.

Mods, please don't boot american-girl!

Again, welcome! :toast:

[american-girl]

54. thank you unbrand!

I appreciate your straight forward, honest answer and hopefully I'll get to stay here without being booted again. Although I do feel I can't give my honest opinions here since we both know what will inevitably happen...but I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

I am willing to listen to what people have to say if they in turn are willing to listen to my opinion as well.

Thanks again for your response!

[DrWeird]

64. Nobody gets banned for giving opposing views.

They only get banned for breaking the rules and being a fucking disruptor troll.


Read the fucking rules.

[american-girl]

67. Not true...

I posted earlier and was banned simply because I questioned something someone said. And I wasn't even rude or vulgar like you. Such impressive, intelligent dialog.....

[TryingToWarnYou]

73. Welcome aboard...

One thing to keep in mind is that this board in particular has been the target of a lot of garbage from not only Free Republic, but also personalities such as Rush Limbaugh. They have encouraged disruption and other actions here simply because they disagree with many here. When you come here, you are expected to respect the "house rules" just as we (or anyone) is supposed to respect the house rules in any other forum.

Much of what you have experienced already is simply self defense here. The moderators do a fantastic job with removing potential disruptors...although, obviously, not everyone is guilty such as it seems is your case.

They dont just ban people here that disagree with others. Ive exchanged words with several people where they were downright assholes to me, but yet, neither them nor I were booted. I think its a case by case basis.

Just sit back for a while and lurk. Never, ever censor yourself though :-)

Welcome and we hope to see you around.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

58. Many of us have tried visiting boards like Free Republic, but...

...the second we've started questioning the so-called "official line", we've gotten booted. But that's only after being allowed to be abused by nearly everyone on the freeper board.

Quite frankly, most of us are sick of that attitude, and we're not going to take it anymore. If you want to discuss a topic, let's discuss it, but don't start off by being overbearing and borderline rude. If you can't deal with the DU ground rules then so be it...that's your decision, not ours.

[Name removed]

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[american-girl]

71. Well....

If you were treated like that on Republican sites, I do not agree with that either. But then why not treat me the way you should have been treated on those boards?? And I was not overbearing or rude in my posts. I think mature adults should be able to discuss any issue on ANY site without being rude or angry.

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[Fuzz]

37. The terror alert should be going up again real soon

[proud patriot]

39. wheeeeeeeeeeeeee !

:D

[0007]

40. Goody goody - Now what's in store for us?

1972 junior was suppose to be flying airplanes. It has been said that in the early part of 1972 junior was arrested for cocaine. Daddy fixed the court if junior would do community service. Now just where did junior do his community service. The Martin Luther King Jr. Community Center in Houston's Third Ward, or was it Project P.U.L.L.?

And why was he doing community service? I forgot!

[callous taoboy]

41. I chortle

with glee!!! This is too good.

[paranoid floyd]

46. Salon letter

Check the link for a very interesting read from a retired Army colonel. It's the second last letter, written by Gerald A. Lechliter.

http://salon.com/opinion/letters/2004/02/11/blumenthal/index.html

[kskiska]

48. Interesting blog on *'s doings in Alabama

http://www.southerner.net/blog/awolbush.html

Privileged Son

Those who encountered Bush in Alabama remember him as an affable social drinker who acted younger than his 26 years. Referred to as George Bush, Jr. by newspapers in those days, sources say he also tended to show up late every day, around noon or one, at Blount's campaign headquarters in Montgomery. They say Bush would prop his cowboy boots on a desk and brag about how much he drank the night before.

They also remember Bush's stories about how the New Haven, Connecticut police always let him go, after he told them his name, when they stopped him "all the time" for driving drunk as a student at Yale in the late 1960s. Bush told this story to others working in the campaign "what seemed like a hundred times," says Red Blount's nephew C. Murphy Archibald, now an attorney in Charlotte, N.C., who also worked on the Blount campaign and said he had "vivid memories" of that time.

"He would laugh uproariously as though there was something funny about this. To me, that was pretty memorable, because here he is, a number of years out of college, talking about this to people he doesn't know," Archibald said. "He just struck me as a guy who really had an idea of himself as very much a child of privilege, that he wasn't operating by the same rules."

(snip)

Many of those who came into close contact with Bush say he liked to drink beer and Jim Beam whiskey, and to eat fist-fulls of peanuts, and Executive burgers, at the Cloverdale Grill. They also say he liked to sneak out back for a joint of marijuana or into the head for a line of cocaine. The newspapers that year are full of stories about the scourge of cocaine from Vietnam and China, much of it imported by the French. (Remember the French Connection?)

[0007]

59. "the Texas soufflé," Oh my fucking God!

"This guy thinks he is such a cuntsman, God's gift to women," he said. "He was all duded up in his cowboy boots." ROTFLMAO I can see it now.

Now who in their right mind can see junior doing Community Service? Not unless a judge was gonna send him to jail for cocaine if he didn't.

Oh, the records where are they?? It's going on 1:00 pm now.

[Lex]

60. Drumming fingers

on desk . . .

Waiting, waiting, waiting . . .

[AZCat]

62. You missed the update

Scotty McClellan told us (via the press "gaggle") that the WH would only be releasing RELEVANT documents!
Move along, nothing to see here...

[0007]

65. A RELEVAMT document on junior would be a blank page.

Been a big Wildcate fan since 1971 - I've been depressed since the Oregon lost.

Bear Down"

[Lex]

69. AZ - did the press buy that

that BS about "relevant?"

Of course, it would be silly to ask the WH to release ALL the information and then let us decide what's "relevant."

I hope the press raised hell about this--but I'm not sure they know how to do that anymore, sadly.

[AZCat]

74. McClellan was playing rough today

Short press conference, refused to answer any questions about AWOL.
Wanted to talk about gays and fear- two popular topics today, I guess.

[SoCalDem]

70. As soon as the ink is dry they will e-mail photocopies of the faxed

email to reporters..

move along.. nothing to see here..

I would rather see the ones they threw in the trash..

[tom_paine]

72. Translation: They are forging them and the forgeries will be ready soon