BREAKING: Federal Judge Compels Deposition from GOP 'IT Guru' Mike Connell in OH '04 Election Case

[BradBlog]

Source: BRAD BLOG


BREAKING: Federal Judge Compels GOP 'IT Guru' Mike Connell To Give Deposition in Ohio '04 Election Case
Contentious Hearing Today Results in Order For Republican 'High-Tech Forrest Gump' to Testify Under Oath on Monday
Appearance to Answer Questions on 2004 Election Scheduled Just 24 Hours Prior to Election 2006...

The Republican IT guru, recently described as a "high tech Forrest Gump" for his proclivity to be "at the scene" of so many troubling elections since 2000, and even at the heart of the "lost" White House email scandal, has been ordered by a federal judge to appear for an under-oath deposition next Monday in Ohio.

The BRAD BLOG has learned that Mike Connell, the Republican IT guru whose company, SmarTech Inc. created Ohio's 2004 election results computer network appeared in federal court today, as compelled, and has been ordered to appear for his deposition on Monday, November 3, just 24 hours before Election Day 2008.

Today's court order came after a contentious hearing, at which Connell was present. The hearing was part of a long-standing voting rights violations lawsuit, King Lincoln v. Blackwell, as previously covered by The BRAD BLOG and by Velvet Revolution's Election Protection Strike Force here and here.

Though Connell's attorneys have fought to quash the subpoena, recently issued after the judge lifted a stay on the case several weeks ago, , it looks like his options to avoid testimony, or at least jail for avoiding it, may have come to an end. The attorneys in the case have said that Connell's testimony may well lead to the subpoenaing and under-oath questioning of Karl Rove, who, they say, would be unable to use Executive Privilege as an excuse to avoid such a subpoena in a civil RICO case...

FULL STORY: http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6600


Read more: http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6600

[tabatha]

1. Yeah!!!!!

Good news.

[fascisthunter]

2. YES!!!!!! Finally...

[Gregorian]

3. 5 recommends in three minutes? Yikes!

I can't take any more good news. This is great, if not a few years overdue.

[Ellipsis]

4. YEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH! WOOOOFUCKINHOOOO!

Awesome News! Thanks Brad (notice the ALL CAPS )


and a great thanks to Steven Heller.

[wordpix]

5. hahaha, Rover, no more hiding behind Pissypants with no clothes anymore!

Just waiting for the day for all these bastards to be interviewed from their jail cells.

Hope they enjoy doing their time in the Big House.

[ladym55]

135. I think they'll all look really sharp in orange jumpsuits!

[The Magistrate]

6. This Should Be Rum Fun, Sir....

[midnight]

7. I wonder what Mike Connell will have to say about Rove?

Does anyone have a picture that shows Rove manning the computers during election night 2004? Because if I were the prosecuter, I might want to know about that night!

[dennysp]

40. Whatever Mike Connell has to say, he'd probably be better off

in protective custody or jail this weekend. I'd hate for him to "commit suicide" before Monday.

[seafan]

42. Here it is. A small version, but it's the one.

Ken Blackwell Outsources Ohio Election Results to GOP Internet Operatives, Again, Daily Kos, from 2006


It's time to drag this thread out again:

Subpoena SUSAN B. RALSTON. She holds the key to WH e-mail systems, election night '04 and Abramoff., from 2007

[bleever]

124. Here's a large version:

And here's a picture of Connell from BradBlog:



Could that be Connell in the background, bent over his Blackberry?

[seafan]

127. Thanks, bleever! There is so much criminality in that photo. n/t

[Patchuli]

8. At long last?!! K&R!!!! nt

[bluesmail]

9. This gets the biggest kick ever!!

Reading international news reports in the last month there's been a definite sense of CHANGE. The entire planet is going through a positive change. Excuse me while I wipe the tears away.

[struggle4progress]

10. Hi ho hi ho it's off to court we go

[MelissaB]

11. Well, well, well.

Can't wait to see what happens.

[texpatriot2004]

12. The timing of the deposition is quite uncanny. nm

[loudsue]

81. That was my thought, tex. Bush can pardon the whole lot of them now.

There needs to be a constitutional ammendment that says the president cannot pardon any person under his supervision or acting under his direction or the direction of his cabinet or staff, or for anything that could be any kind of a conflict of interest.

[joenole2112]

130. Better hurry up and pardon lots of criminals

Murder of Paul Wellstone and other political figures by
"mysterious plane accident" aka explosives on
control wires.

Pat Tillman was murdered by US Army for speaking out against
Iraq War, journal and plans to speak out once returned to US.
 Coverup was "lame."

Justice Department did not even attempt to investigate price
collusion by seven sisters oil complanies.
etcetera, etcetera, etecetera!

[loudsue]

82. Ooops! Dupe. n/t

[geckosfeet]

13. Why, is the schematics information just getting out!! This is incriminating

as hell and someone WILL go to jail for a long time if this holds up.

Newly obtained computer schematics provide further detail of how electronic voting data was routed during the 2004 election from Ohio’s Secretary of State’s office through a partisan Tennessee web hosting company. … The flow chart shows how voting information was transferred from Ohio to SmarTech Inc., a Chattanooga Tennessee IT company known for its close association with the Republican Party, before the 2004 election results were displayed online.

If you want to steal an election, you control the flow of information.

[L. Coyote]

24. D'oh! Their job was to display the info online after they received it.

"The flow chart shows how voting information was transferred from Ohio to SmarTech Inc., .... before the 2004 election results were displayed online."

There is no way they could display it before it was sent to them.

[geckosfeet]

29. This is what I mean. They change the data so that it shows bUsh wins.

Later, they fix the data from the machines to match.

[L. Coyote]

87. But, the counties know their tallies, plus there are official election results to submit later.

This will go nowhere because it is built on nothing.

The claim that somehow displaying the wrong numbers online can change an election is laughable and spurious!

Not to mention:

Ohio 2004 was 3/4 punch cards, with op-scan and e-vote in the few remaining counties.

The e-vote counties shifted to significantly more Dem votes for Kerry than Gore.

This inquiry should focus on how punch card ballots were cast for Kerry and counted for Bush,
not on who displayed the results on the Internet on election night.
When the counties reported their results, the fraud had already happened.
This focus OBFUSCATES the Kerry-Bush vote-switching.

[MissWaverly]

92. I think it was the central tabulators

Remember Blackwell rec'd 500,000 from the RNC which is illegal becuz they are only supposed to donate to those who run in national races not local. But, even if this produces no conviction, I am hoping that it will send a chill to those who think that election fraud is just a prank with no legal consequences. I must admit I find McCain's comments on a tight race with late night results alarming.

[L. Coyote]

95. So now we have a moving target. This is not wack-a-mole.

When one theory gets knocked down, pop another spurious theory up??

Are we still addressing 2004?

[MissWaverly]

101. no, what we have now is accountability

the activities of CREEP and their sabotage of the democratic campaign was well documented during Watergate, but there has never been a real legal accountability for this activity. I am more concerned about exposure to prevent future manipulations than a roll back to the 2004 election.

[L. Coyote]

111. "more concerned about exposure to prevent future manipulations" infers interest in the facts

in my view, in that "exposure" is not creation of a spurious scenario with no basis in fact.

In my view, "exposure" is revealing facts (as I'm doing in posts herein), facts like Ohio 204 was 3/4ths punch cards, Kerry did better than Gore in e-vote counties, .......

There are also lots of activities documented in Ohio 2004. See the Conyers report! That is exposure, albeit hurried and as yet incomplete.

If there were "real legal accountability for this activity" at the least Conyers would have returned to it as Chair of his Comm. I assume he considered that pointless under the Bush Junta Department of Injustice!

[MissWaverly]

144. yes, I agree

but until there is legal penalties it will go on. The curtain must be pulled back and this activity has to be exposed. I consider this to be in the same box as the fragrant law breaking the has occurred throughout the executive branch since 2000. They have felt that they are above the law and that the end justifies the means.

[nebenaube]

117. phhhhttttttt !

you have no clue about the systems and the system integration that would be required to pull the theft of a election off with plausibility. They intercepted the data and went back and modified the central tabulator to support the desired results. This IT guy is the keystone to the treason of election theft by * & the RNC and you my friend appear to be clearly on a mission to suppress any revelation in regard to the incident.

[L. Coyote]

123. I teach college Computer Information Sytems courses.

so maybe I have a clue or two. Here are several for you.

The counties tabulate their votes. They know what their tallies are. That is the whole idea behind counting!

Regarding "you my friend appear to be clearly on a mission to suppress any revelation in regard to the incident" I must say that is certainly ambiguous.

Can you define "the incident"?

Appearances can be deceiving my friend, and that is what we are all up against.
This tread illustrates how appearances suffice. Now, drop some money in their hat and MOVE ON! LOL

Seriously, I do statistical research of elections, and I've focused on Ohio 2004.
Greater than common knowledge is difficult to judge if you lack same.

Revealing actual facts about election irregularities serves the ends of achieving justice for any crimes.
Anyone who thinks they needed a Rove in the WH on a computer, or hacking connty tabulators, to steal Ohio missed the miscounting of the ballots.

[geckosfeet]

100. I agree to a point. Having election data and being able to route it anywhere that

you want to, including rOves office in the white house, or making it available to a select group before the rest of the world sees it, provides an opportunity for skulduggery. The bUsh campaign had the opportunity to see the data before anyone else and provide direction based on the data, however nefariously, to Ohio election workers who in turn were directing poll workers counting ballots, announcing results and directing election logistics.

Don't discount the value of early data.

[L. Coyote]

109. But, the data is no secret. It's an election tally, everyone knows the number when counted.

The numbers are no secret. They are public information. It is available upon tally to all observers.

You write, "bUsh campaign had the opportunity to see the data before anyone else" and you say this without supporting your claim. I call Bullshit! The data could not get to the Bush Administration without someone seeing it first. The people counting the ballots see it first, and at that point, it is public information and official information.

I have watched an election get fixed. I have watched campaign workers commit felonies. I have a little background in politics. But, in this case, a little thinking is all you need to see the spurious nature of the claims about the "nefarious" role of the SmarTech computer in TN and associated skulduggery by Rove.

I'm not saying there was no crime. I'm saying look at the crimes instead.

[geckosfeet]

114. My point is, you have strategic advantage when you see data early.

How is that bullshit?

The question is of course, how was the early acquisition of data used? Did it provide a legal strategic advantage? My sense is that seeing the data early assists the criminals in their criminal behavior, whatever it was. That's for the court to decide.

You seem to discount the value of seeing the data early on in the disclosure process. Simply having a continous up to date supply of election results available permits you to react strategically.

And the question is, was the access legal, did it permit direction to be given to campaign staff and partisan election workers to lets say, create lines and long waits, lose ballots, miscount, etc. etc.

I think that partisan election workers would want to and be able to keep a race close. Then it can be decided on absentee ballots which have been adjusted to achieve a desired outcome. There is ample opportunity to do that and cover your tracks when you know which precincts to target through out the voting process.

[L. Coyote]

118. Then the focus should be on the delay from Ohio.

There was an extended period when the Ohio SoS did not update the web server late in the evening. When the results were finally updated, the lead had shifted to Bush.

If election workers are fixing results, they need only move the ballots to another precinct to turn a Kerry vote into a Bush vote.

Do that once, and the vote tally difference changes by two votes!

Of course, that can result in lots of messed up votes for down-ticket races like judges and ballot measures!
That is exactly the scenario we have. And, those punch card vote-switches recount the same every time.

[Blues Heron]

14. Great news!

Better late than never!

[pleah]

15. K&R Thank you BradBlog!

This needs to stay on the front page.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

16. Does anyone have a picture/photo of this Mike Connell?

I have looked and can't find one.

[BradBlog]

17. We've got several

Search BRAD BLOG for "Connell" we've got several of him in our various stories on him. Will likely add one to the latest, but up against it from all sides here. Need. More. Time.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

18. For real? I'm going there right now. Thanks!! nt

[Sarah Ibarruri]

23. Wow. Thank you. Amazing how some people do go undetected under the radar causing

so much harm.

[BradBlog]

31. Just added one for ya to today's story...

But there's many others with the other stories as well.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

71. Thanks! It's good to know what these creatures look like! I'm sending people to your site nt

[dana_b]

19. wonder if his company is working hard on THIS election?

I hope not.

[tabatha]

20. Hopefully, they have been scared off.

[CitizenPatriot]

21. finally!

i hope he and his wife are safe-- i know they got threats from cheney.rove. and the gang.

ROCK ON, justice!

[L. Coyote]

148. You write: "i know they got threats from cheney.rove. and the gang."

How do you know this? Did you report the crime to the authorities?

[Ellipsis]

22. You're DU's front page article big guy n/t

[snake in the grass]

25. When it rains, it pours.

This is really good news.

[Overseas]

26. K&R for the electronic election fraud file. Monday, eh?

Looking forward to hearing more about it.

[ClarkJKent]

27. Swell.....

I hope it actually results in something. And then we will have to hope, even more, that the Dems find a spine long enough to use those results.

[Laelth]

50. Welcome to DU!

The United States is a LIBERAL Country.



-Laelth

[yellerpup]

28. Dare I dream that justice will be served at last?

[Juche]

30. YES!!!!!

We almost have a return to a balance of power in the United states.

[MetaTrope]

35. Too bad about those 100,000 murdered Iraqis

[Juche]

37. congress voted for the war

Not that I support it, but this breakthrough is a good sign that there is some balance now. The executive has been trampling and ignoring the judicial and legislative branch for quite some time.

[Joe Chi Minh]

112. Was it not on the basis of lies they were told?

[Juche]

121. yes and no

Jay Rockefeller says alot of senators didn't even read the NIE report on Iraq's capabilities before they voted in 2002.

[glitch]

139. 600,000 best count, 2 years ago. But what's a few 100,000 more or less. :( nt

[ejbr]

32. Oh please!

[Miss Chybil]

33. Kick and Recommend!!!!

[stevietheman]

34. Wow. What a nice November surprise! n/t

n/t

[Omnibus]

36. Hopefully, this will be the nail in the coffin of black-box voting.

We just HAVE to make sure that this election is the last where people have to worry about whether their votes count.

[proud progressive]

38. SPEAKING OF WHICH, I THOUGHT ROVE WAS ALREADY IN CONTEMPT

[glinda]

56. He is and is still getting paid for aiding and abetting

[Kurovski]

39. K&R. (nt)

[1776Forever]

41. Check my post out that I just posted on the business & its 28.8 Bush/Cheney Million $$ Partner...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

[2Design]

43. kick

[Dangerously Amused]

44. FINALLY FINALLY FINALLY!!!

Pinch me, the onslaught of good news for the good guys is coming so fast and furious lately that I can hardly believe it's all true.

[Piewhacket]

45. Popcorn! Where's my popcorn?

OK, I'm ready now. Let 'er rip!

[Judi Lynn]

46. Hoping and praying this will go the way it should. What good news. Thank you, bradblog. n/t

[Oldtimeralso]

47. This is Great, But is it Too Late?

K&R for honest elections in the future.

[Dems4me]

48. It's about time. n/t

[Laelth]

49. Excellent. Get him on the record.

The United States is a LIBERAL Country.



-Laelth

[Duppers]

51. "may well lead to the subpoenaing and under-oath questioning of Karl Rove"

Hot damn!

Next step is proving they're lying.
Nest step...

[xchrom]

52. recommend

[NBachers]

53. RICO!! RICO!! RICO!! RICO!!

Finally someone is applying RICO to these slimeballs.

Two minutes before reading this, I sent the following email to an attorney friend in Chicago:

"The entire Republican Party is the biggest RICO outfit the nation has ever known. No quarter for any of these thugs."

Listen, the RICO and conspiracy techniques that were developed and honed to go after drug cartels are the perfect weapon to use against the Republican Party. Anyone involved in the infinite number of Republican felonies, whether they knowingly broke the law or not, is guilty of the totality of all the offenses.

I know. I did long Federal time behind this shit.

The Republicans have caused more death, destruction, and devastation, than all the drug activity in this nation over the last hundred years. Get the motherfuckers! Get 'em now!



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1n03a7cLf0M

[dmr]

63. I've been saying for years they should be charged under RICO

for their never-ending crimes - and I do mean never-ending.

[grannylib]

91. Me too...if the BFEE doesn't qualify as organized crime, I don't know

what does.
And under the RICO act, all their assets can be seized. Cheney in particular has a LOT of moolah.

[IthinkThereforeIAM]

141. Ditto...

...I came to that conclusion years ago just from observing how the RNC/GOP operates.

[Hekate]

54. My Schadenfreude Dance Orchestra is tuning up now; the zaftig maidele is trilling scales...

OH YES, OH YES, OH YES! YES! YES!! YES!!!

But I, myself, am quite calm.

Hekate

[Blackhatjack]

55. Connell is the ticking timebomb ... the question is will he go off before he tells what he knows?

[Phred42]

57. So what? One asshole might go to jail for a short while.

The Nation was stolen, destroyed and sold into slavery and fascism

who cares about one minor asshole?

I just got home and I'm loaded - I don't get the big deal

[ngant17]

138. this guy will be suicided in jail

if and when he starts singing. This is easy to do in any jail, federal prison, or whatever. Don't tell me this never happens.

He is probably smart enough to know what will happen to him if he starts talking too much. He'll have to do the time and hope for the presidential pardon at best.

[Phred42]

143. Probably true.

Or he'll be Wellstoned and his light plane will go down while he is in jail

[L. Coyote]

149. HELLO! He is not charged with any crime!

And, he is probably smart enough to not commit any!

[rhett o rick]

58. No, no, no. you aren't getting my hopes up. Tom Delay is still free as is

Sen Frist, etc. I will only celebrate after Rove is in jail.

[L. Coyote]

93. Geeeez!! Ohio was 3/4 punch cards and Rove sat at a computer on election night.

Obviously, he fixed the election.

I'm ROFLMAO at all the people who see hope in this spurious, lame, and desperate attempt to salvage a lawsuit against he State of Ohio for fixing he election.

HELLO. The State of Ohio did not fix the election. The real suspect is The OH Republican Party!!!!!!!!

[WheelWalker]

59. I'm in a swoon..... Thank you Goddess!

[Dem2theMax]

60. I can't believe I'm reading this.

After all this time - hallelujah!

[Monk06]

61. Is this the October surprise everyone was waiting for? Well Golly, surprise, surprise !!!!!

[ClayZ]

62. Let the PERP WALKS BEGIN!

BRAVO!
YAY! The time has come!
Round 'em up and cuff them!




Wooooooooo Hoooooooo!

[krispos42]

64. "Compels".... nowadays, this means a waterboarding, right?

Glug glug glug, Connell!

[Kablooie]

65. We may have a November surprise here!

[lostnfound]

66. Just taking him out of action on Monday is probably useful.

I hope the deposition takes a couple of days.

[bjobotts]

67. I hope this finally outs them. We all know they stole it or it would not have happened.

[democrank]

68. Good news.

Happy Halloween, Karl Rove.

[pam4water]

69. Are they really goin to look into this? Or if Obama wins will we here some lets just move on crap.

[loudsue]

83. If Obama wins, we drown him & Biden in e-mails and letters & calls until

they have to give in and stop the hackable elections.

[SpiralHawk]

70. Memo to republicons: stealing elections is immoral and illegal

As if republicon 'family values' have anything at all to do with morality or legality...

As if...

[wroberts189]

72. pubs - computer illiterate, incompetent, BUSTED

[Unbowed]

73. K&R! n/t

[eomer]

74. Opinion of another expert is more cautious.

Spoonamore's conclusion is speculative. What has been found is evidence that the system was hackable, not evidence that it was hacked.

Even the evidence that the system was hackable is shaky. The schematic obviously doesn't show all the security systems. For example, it doesn't show where or how firewalls were used. There is zero possibility that there were no firewalls in place. The schematic just wasn't purposed toward illustrating security. It also doesn't indicate security policies of any of the individual servers or applications running on those servers. Obviously that doesn't mean there were no security policies; the schematic just doesn't show them. There's also nothing in this schematic that shows whether or how the various county tabulators were internet-connected or what security measures they had in place. SmartTech having access to those county tabulators through the internet is a key part of Spoonamore's theory.

lala's article gives a balanced view by including the opinion of David Dill who, like I do, believes that there is at most evidence that the system could have been hacked, not that it was, and he doesn't believe there is enough information to be able to say for sure that it could have been. Here's an excerpt:

Dill told Raw Story the schematics are inconclusive and that he continues to have questions after reading Spoonamore's latest affadavit, although he cautioned that he himself is not an expert in Spoonamore's specialty of network security.

"Basically, the whole thing seems highly speculative," Dill said. "It's important to distinguish 'possible' from 'probable' here. I don't even know if this is possible. More details about how the tabulators worked in those particular counties, who was managing them, how the results were uploaded, whether they were all the same kind, etc. would help establish that."

"As to 'probable' -- I don't think that's been established at all, unless one starts with the presumption that the election was stolen and works backwards from there," he added. "I don't think Spoonamore has made the case that SmartTech and Triad '.. reversed the outcome of the 2004 Ohio Presidential Race.' I don't know that it DIDN'T happen, but, at this point, I think we need to demand better evidence."

"Neither I nor Spoonamore have any special knowledge on exit polls or Ohio voting patterns in judicial races," Dill continued. "I'd urge you to take a close look at what skeptical political scientists have written. It's been a long time, but I was left with the impression that proof was lacking."

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Documents_reveal_how_Ohio...

I personally will be surprised if Monday's deposition turns out to be a confession by the guy who did it. My guess is that Connell is going to say he knows nothing about any hacking of any election. In any event, let's see what turns out before getting too excited about perp walks or fitzmas.

_{Edit: typo}

[L. Coyote]

88. I'm completely contradictory, not cautious. They are full of Bullshit on this issue.

What is proposed is implausible on its face, so implausible it is hilarious not everyone notices.

The counties count the vote, then send it along to the Sec. of State. Then what?

Do they destroy the information in case someone wants to change the numbers on the internet?
That's just frikkin' stupidly laughable! NO, they have to record their votes. And everything must still match later on. HELLO. Any logic left in the world???

Then, they count absentee ballots, provisionals, etc., and submit official election result which they later report by the deadline, as required by statute.

So, it takes about a 70 IQ to realize someone will notice if the county votes are changed. D'oh!!

[WillyT]

75. Big K & R !!!

[jhrobbins]

76. Well, I don't know exactly what this means, but it sounds good and since so many of you are happy,

I'll be happy too.

[Native]

77. Karl Rove has threatened Connell

"We have been confidentially informed by a source we believe to be credible that Karl Rove has threatened Michael Connell, a principal witness we have identified in our King Lincoln case in federal court in Columbus, Ohio, that if he does not agree to 'take the fall' for election fraud in Ohio, his wife Heather will be prosecuted for supposed lobby law violations."

[Jackpine Radical]

78. Maybe not this time, Karl...

[Herman74]

79. To The Brave Souls Who have vigilantly and diligently pursued Justice re Ohio, 2004, I Say....

Thank you very much!!!!

[Roland99]

80. I can't wait to see these bastsard rot in jail!

[paparush]

84. Summary of Connell's testimony -

"I cannot recall, your honor."

"I'm not clear, your honor."

"I cannot remember specifically, your honor."

"I have no recollection of that, your honor."


Tried and True NEOCON Testimonials (tm).

[L. Coyote]

90. Summary of Connell's testimony

I did not alter election results.
I did as I was contracted to do, display the information provided.

End of story!

[ChairmanAgnostic]

85. if Brad Blog quotes himself at length, is he violating his own copyright?

GREAT STORY!

Poor Congresscritter Boehner. He must be crapping his pants, that shitheel.

[drm604]

86. And of course this is all over main stream media!

[Zambero]

89. Would Rove's testimony mean having to miss a Sean Hannity Show?

And will he be able to continue co-shilling with Hannity once he takes up residence behind bars?

[drm604]

107. Who knows?

Maybe they'll be able to broadcast from the same cell!

[Hutzpa]

94. This is excellent news

I want these people fried for what they have helped
created.

They are partly responsible for what Bush has done to
the world.

FRY!

Please Mr Judge let these fuckas FRY!!

[L. Coyote]

98. NO. This is NOT excellent news.

Who is "these people" and what is "FRY"?

If this is totally spurious, do you still approve just because you dislike their politics? Isn't that "politicization of justice" and the very thing you oppose?

[redqueen]

99. All they're asking is what he knows.

And whether anyone directed him to make it hackable.

[L. Coyote]

102. Well, isn't that substantive. The lack of substance is my very point!! Thanks.

Your post "If this is totally spurious" is not substantive.

The sum of nothing has always been nothing, and that did not change because R and Green lawyers sued the State of Ohio for fixing the election.

There is an astounding lack of realism in this thread, and a lot of false hope.
That may be useful if your only business is soliciting money online, but what does it accomplish for Justice?

[redqueen]

103. Took you a while to write that.

Look again.

[L. Coyote]

104. Reply to rewritten post.

What they ask will be known when asked.

So, just for the sake of argument, let us hypothetically suppose those having legitimate access to one part of the SmarTech server in TN (i.e. Rove) could, in real time, get into the part of the server with the Ohio 2004 election results. If they changed those results, they would not match the Ohio results that the counties tallied, and which are a permanent legal record and accounted when reporting their official results.

So, so what if the results display server was hackable???

Vote-switching and punch cards were not counted as cast altered the results before the ballots were counted.
Why not focus on that fact? Or is that the whole idea, to avoid a focus on why the punch cards did not tally as counted?

[redqueen]

105. You'd have to ask the prosecuting atty. (nt)

[Hutzpa]

106. Two words for you

"HACKING DEMORCACY"

[L. Coyote]

110. Ohio 2004 was 3/4ths punch cards

and in the e-vote counties, Kerry performed significantly better than Gore, likely because the new voting technology improved the accuracy and completeness of the count.

Is anyone even reasoning about this? "HACKING DEMORCACY" is about e-voting.

When Ohio switched to all Diebold, the Dems swept the State!!!! Wow, e-voting may be honest and hackable too.

Ohio 2004 and "HACKING DEMORCACY" are two distinct topics. Your two words have little relevance in this context.

[Hutzpa]

120. Whatever your defense is about electronic voting

it still does not exclude the irregularities that went on during the
2000 and 2004 elections.

My excitement is finally the Government is going to do something about
all the reports which states that votes where stolen.

I think we should all be excited about that and so should you, that is
if you want the same thing as majority of us on this board.

[L. Coyote]

122. HELLO!! "My excitement is finally the Government is going to do something"

They are doing absolutely nothing about the existing evidence. Both the USA for No OH and the FBI have been informed of the evidence. They do nothing!

Please do point out how the government is "going to do something."

I'm the one with the evidence. I'll know when the government does something.
I certainly have not been holding my breath all these long, long years!!
I have been working to inform the public, but the spin machine is powerful.
The Ohio 2004 theft cover-up continues, of course!

[Spinzonner]

125. Your observations are well taken

but they make some false assumptions themselves.

If someone was to steal votes the best place to do so would be from Democrat vote rich area because they would not flip the local results but could contribute enough votes to flip the whole state which is what was the target. SO the fact that Kerry did better than Gore does not prove that Democratic votes were not stolen nor is it a reliable indicator. The question is - and always was - how many were actually cast statewide.

The availability of real-tile information can be a valuable tool to those manipulation a system if if that information itself was not directly hacked. It gives them the opportunity to make early decisions about which way things are going and to manipulate other weaknesses in the entire system.

And wasn't part of the issue about Ohio that sample recounts were shutdown and the votes made inaccessible. Your protestation that the counts eventually (more or less) balanced doesn't prove much because that early access gave them time to perhaps apply other and even more traditional election fraud actions and take multiple efforts to plan and cover any actions they took.

[L. Coyote]

146. Your points are valid. But, consider how Ohio ballot box stuffing works.

The way you "stuff" an Ohio punch card election is to move the ballot to the next precinct, where Dem punched votes all count as R votes.

Here is the background on how the system worked in 2004:
The 2004 Ohio Presidential Election: Cuyahoga County Analysis
How Kerry Votes Were Switched to Bush Votes
http://jqjacobs.net/politics/ohio.html

Punch card ballots w/o precinct marks count correctly only if punched in the correct precinct and IF the ballot remains in the correct precinct!

So yes, real-time knowledge of county tallies as they happen can be employed to project how many ballot boxes need some stuffing.
However, the method is ballot box stuffing, so the tally reflects the fraud.
There is NO NEED to change the county totals and, in fact, that could lead to detection!!

Also yes, you steal votes where there are votes to steal.
Hence, look first to Cuyahoga County with 1/8th of the Dem votes in Ohio!
These litigants ignore Cuyahoga County even though evidence from Cuyahoga could handily win their Civil Rights case.
They know all about it, I've discussed it with them, but they do not use the evidence.

[redqueen]

96. "deposition on Monday, November 3, just 24 hours before Election Day 2008"

Wow.

This is such an amazing development... I'm stunned. I want to be excited and happy... but I'm just:

[AllyCat]

97. OMG! Really?!?! It's too much to hope for...Oh, if this goes somewhere

I will be overjoyed. It will almost make up for the other "investigations" going nowhere. Oh please, oh please, oh please...

[Vinnie From Indy]

108. I don't want to rain on the parade, but Smirky already has Rove's Pres. Pardon filled out

The pardons will fall like rain in January. This deposition will wash away with the rest. The only chance now is a perjury charge in hearings to come AFTER the pardon.

[Joe Chi Minh]

113. Who says they won't get him later on something else. There seems to have been a

a lot of reports in the public sphere to suggest that, as far as implication in major crimes are concerned, he's hardly been a dilettante. I think it unlikely that when the people vainly subpoenad, on the basis of putative executive privilege, have been brought to book, he could well be arraigned on multiple charges.

[NikolaC]

115. K&R

The thought of Blackwell, et al possibly in prison for this mess is a beautiful one.

[Road Scholar]

116. K&R

[JackRiddler]

119. !!!!