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Dems4me Donating Member (273 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 12:03 AM
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National polls tighten
Source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/ynews_pl114

National polls tighten a bit; Obama hangs on to lead in battlegrounds

With less than a week till Election Day, any movement in the polls is big news. In the Real Clear Politics national poll average, Barack Obama's 8-point lead from Saturday has decreased to 5.9, due mostly to a gain in John McCain's average.

Three major polls have seen a significant squeeze in the past five days, causing this trend. Today, a Rasmussen poll put Obama at a 3-point lead. McCain has gained 3 points in their survey since Saturday and Obama has lost two, putting the race at the narrowest margin this poll has seen since late September.

This followed the drastic squeeze seen in the Reuters/Zogby/C-SPAN this weekend. After enjoying a 12-point lead in their poll last week, Obama's lead shrunk to around 5 points and held steady there for a few days. ....



Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/ynews_pl114



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It also has points up/down per state at bottom of the page
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geomon666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 12:05 AM
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1. The only thing tightening are the assholes on repukes.
We got this. I'm telling you right now, we got it.
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obiwan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 12:59 AM
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8. Agreed. I watch at least 10 polls every day and it's not perceptably tightening.
PUCKER POWER!
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proud progressive Donating Member (358 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 01:40 AM
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10. ABSOFUCHINLUTLY!
take it to the bank........... if you can find one.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 12:29 AM
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2. You've got to be kidding.
There can't be that many idiots in this country. I've probably overestimated the typical American. How sad.

I also don't believe the polls are close because of a much higher black turnout than ever before. I just don't believe it.

In an intelligent crowd, it would be a 40 percent spread. Minimum. 30-70 doesn't even sound good to me. No wonder I find living among these people disgusting. And no wonder I found the bluest of the bluest places in America to live. Phew. It's nice here.
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 12:36 AM
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3. "There can't be that many idiots in this country"
Don't get around much, do ya? :)
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 07:16 AM
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12. I've been awake since 3:30am thinking about this.
It's really bothering me. I moved to a small town in Oregon three years ago. The day I bought my house I realized I had to leave. I waited until the capital gains exemption rule kicked in, and sold ten days later. And I'm back in California. I couldn't believe my eyes and ears. And that was Oregon. They shouldn't be allowed to breed.

I have a close friend who is the ex of Gore's lead recount attorney. I just got an email from her, and she's not exactly convinced that Obama's got it.

Oh well. I guess no one guaranteed that life was going to be fun. I do my best. And I live in a town where people look like actual humans. That's pretty rare.

I guess I'll start my day. It's already 5am.
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 07:32 AM
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13. i think when people migrated over here during the industrial revolution
something happened to said people that effected their genes. Exposure to toxic metals or something similar rendered many people and their offspring idiots. Seriously, there is something wrong with a good portion of the american population.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 10:59 AM
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29. I totally love you!
Man, there aren't many who feel like us. I think it has something to do with being able to see what really is.

I blame consumerism. Corporations did to society what Rove has done to elections. Or it happened before Rove, but he honed it. People were told to stop making stuff and start buying it.

I don't know. But it is nice to know that there are a few out there who are seeing and thinking. I mean, yes, it's negative, but it's actually positive. I see so many people with pleasant and positive attitudes who are really a drag. I'm searching for a higher standard. That doesn't equate to Lexus with 400 horsepower. It's more like a slower, quieter, friendlier community. But I'm not going to get that. I gave a buck to a lady yesterday who was raffling off a pizza or something, for a kid's study center. She is 90. I get so jealous of people who got to see fields. And hear silence. It's not that simple. Being black back then wasn't fun. I guesss I'm turning everything I type into a sociology paper today. I think I'll have one more cup of coffee.

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robbibaba Donating Member (128 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 12:49 AM
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4. The polls have to tighten
otherwise how can they steal the election again? But I really believe this time they can't. No one would believe it.
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davekriss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 09:40 AM
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20. Already Stolen according to Spoonamore
Stephen Spoonamore, a leading Republican cyber-security expert, has been saying that the election is already stolen (the plans and means are in place). He predicts McCain-Palin win 51.3% of the popular vote and squeak by with a 3 vote electoral college victory.

In 2004, when George Bush was fumbling through an MTP interview -- his words chopped salad, eyes unfocused everywhere except on the interviewer -- when he was suddenly asked if he thought he could win the election, Bush focused intently on the interviewer and said in bold, perfect English, "I WILL win". I turned to my wife then and said the fix was in. Despite the disaster that GWB had been for the nation up to that point it was clear his people had the plan, the means, the will to steal the Presidency again. And they did.

John McCain had a similar moment on last week's Meet the Press. McSame confidently "guaranteed" election victory. Could the fix be in ... again?

Our only chance to fight off these thefts is for polling for Obama to so widely diverge from McIdiot that Republican operatives would feel too exposed to risk another theft. Instead, as I predicted they would month's ago (to my wife), polls are "tightening" so that there will be both a trajectory and closeness to give plausibility to a "surprise" squeaker victory for McCain next week.

The powers that stand behind Bush/McCain, they don't steal murder and plunder for eight years only to let "democracy" turn off their power/money spigot and expose them to possible investigation and justice. Power concedes nothing without the powerless rising up and demanding it.

A Raw Story piece on Spoonamore with claims about past tampering (the prediction above comes from a video interview which I don't have time to track down this morning): http://www.rawstory.com/news/2008/Cybersecurity_expert_...
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Lorentz Donating Member (302 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 10:36 AM
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25. For someone who's so "confident," McCain sure bumbles around like an idiot.
Edited on Thu Oct-30-08 10:36 AM by Lorentz
And the political grandmaster Rove himself thinks Obama will win -- or is he just fucking with our heads?

Get lost with the "stolen election" tripe. "Raw Story" is hardly a reputable source for anything reality-based. Your downers are not wanted here.
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davekriss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 11:11 AM
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31. I don't call him McIdiot for nothing
However, as a legitimate source of reality-based information, what would you recommend? The Wall Street Journal? Perhaps the New York Times? (Or would it be the Washington Times?)

And, pardon me, but I don't think it is your autocratic say who gets to post here or not. You might want to look at my join date.

I personally think if you aren't wary of another election fraud, then it is you who have a reality-impoverished view of the world. Even Obama is repeating (in his Florida speeches) that MLK-like "power concedes nothing" remark and that we can't let up, we have to fight every step of the way.

If that's a downer for you I suggest you put the reality-based contingent here on "ignore".
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 12:51 AM
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5. That reflects poorly on Americans.
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 12:59 AM
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7. The majority of American voters want Obama to be President and yet this "reflects badly" on us all?
We are all damned because of the actions of a few?

Besides, there is no "tightening", as Nate Silver has attested on fivethirtyeight.com -- there's only MSM perception
and the prejudices of a few.
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 12:57 AM
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6. fivethirtyeight.com covers the "tightening" nonsense
They're obviously overlooking the other polls that have shown Obama increases.

How can anyone read this and not think the MSM is complicit in trying to steal our elections?

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Zambero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 01:03 AM
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9. Battleground states are not tightening
The only states where the McCain's poll numbers are increasing are in the dark red states that McCain can't lose and the dark blue states where he still can't win. The electoral vote change is nil or slightly better for Obama than it was a week ago.
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Hideboh Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 01:55 AM
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11. According to Karl Rove's new electoral map,
there is no way Bush crony bozo can win.
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fjc Donating Member (700 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 07:47 AM
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14. How does this square with this, posted the same day.
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indio55555 Donating Member (144 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 08:17 AM
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15. From which angle?
I don't see any change except maybe the .001% posted on Yahoo last night.
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RedSock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 08:49 AM
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16. come on - we saw this in 2004
fake polls say the race is close = easy to explain when the election is stolen

sad to say, this is all going according to the GOP script

of course the "tightening" is BS, but when mcdooshbag "wins" next tuesday, the average person will think "well, the race was getting tighter last week........"


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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 08:55 AM
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17. Oh bullshit. nt
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merrylander Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 09:09 AM
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18. This is old news - check out Rasmussen's CURRENT poll
Don't know why this story is up today - Rasmussen as of this morning (10/30) shows Obama widening his lead to 51% vs. 46% - a two point gain over this outdated report.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics...
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 09:14 AM
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19. Welcome to DU.
:hi:
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 09:43 AM
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21. Five points is still a landslide. n/t
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FreeStateDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 09:52 AM
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22. BS spin: Yahoo now has BO increasing his lead to 6.2%.
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 10:00 AM
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23. This is the first time I've of "Real Clear Politics" Poll. Any backround of bias?
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 10:24 AM
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24. That's more like it!
Though I think it is more like 10% in reality!
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 11:03 AM
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30. Now we're talking! Go Rhode Island!!
There's the 60 30 I'm looking for. That almost looks like a sane country.

And then there's UTAH. What a turd that must be.
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 10:49 AM
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26. in 2004 exit polls did not matter, in 2008 polls may not matter
gobama
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wiseoldman Donating Member (78 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 10:55 AM
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27. "Yesterdays Old Poll" News... title should get an edit so......
we stop wasting our time looking at old poll news....
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 10:57 AM
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28. surrrre they are.....
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