Phony flier says Virginians vote on different days

[maddezmom]

Source: The Virginian-Pilot

The Virginian-Pilot
© October 27, 2008
RICHMOND

A phony State Board of Elections flier advising Republicans to vote on Nov. 4 and Democrats on Nov. 5 is being circulated in several Hampton Roads localities, according to state election officials.

In fact, Election Day for voters of all political stripes remains Nov. 4.

The somewhat official-looking flier – it features the State Board logo and the state seal – is dated Oct. 24 and indicates that “an emergency session of the General Assembly adopted the . . . emergency (voting) regulations to ease the load on local electorial (sic) precincts and ensure a fair electorial (sic) process.”

The four-paragraph flier concludes by apologizing “for any inconvenience this may cause but (we) felt this was the only way to ensure fairness to the complete electorial (sic) process.”

However, no emergency action has been taken by the General Assembly, which isn’t in session, and furthermore, doesn’t have the authority to change the date of a federal election.



Read more: http://hamptonroads.com/2008/10/phony-flier-says-virgin...

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[brooklynite]

1. I think someone may be in trouble with the law...

Misusing official Government logos and letterheads can get you in serious trouble.

[SoCalNative]

2. That's nevers stopped a republican before

[SoCalNative]

4. That's never stopped a republican before

[phantom power]

6. I hope so.

I hope they track down whoever did this and throw the fucking book at them.

If the govt conducted a "war on election fraud, tampering, purging, etc" with 1/10th the energy that they conduct their useless war on drugs, these assholes might have to think twice before venturing out from under their rocks.

[amdezurik]

3. makes me sad for the pukes

they are so pathetic they will lie anout anything...

[Just-plain-Kathy]

15. Yeah, they lie and then point their fingers saying Dem's are lying. n/t

[amdezurik]

18. reminds me of my little sister

when she was losing at a board game, next she would toss all the pieces on the floor.

[kestrel91316]

5. Whoever produced and distributed that needs to be horsewhipped.

[DeepBlueC]

8. jailed

We're not soft on criminals, are we?

[rfranklin]

19. Executed...

or they will not learn the lesson.

[DeepBlueC]

33. mmmm

probably tortured first, er, interrogated,that is, thoroughly.

[whopis01]

68. The argument could be made that it is a form of treason. n/t

[Zambero]

32. The perfect cellmate for Ted Stevens

They could swap stories about how their lives were SOOOOOO good, up until about a week before the '08 election that is!

[DeepBlueC]

7. same thing happened in the last election

I forget which state.

[Posteritatis]

11. Happens in Canada more and more too (nt)

[DeepBlueC]

22. where, as it happens, I am living myself

[Monk06]

34. Your going to have to provide a link for that ..... in Canada you are not required to declare

party affiliation when you register. In fact it
is illegal for anyone in the Federal or Provincial
governments to ask you about your party affiliation.

[Posteritatis]

38. Living in Canada and paying attention to news is usually a good start

I've done both for quite awhile now. Haven't seen it this election, at least in my riding, but the last two both had instances of it here.

And the lack of party affiliation in registration doesn't magically prevent people from saying "all votes for the conservatives are on day X, all votes for liberals and NDP are on day Y." Seriously, are you trying to assume there's logic operating in the dipshits who try that stunt every election?

[Monk06]

40. Seriously what riding are you talking about where this occurs? I have never seen this.

[Posteritatis]

41. Dartmouth-Cole Harbour, heard similar reports all over the place in 2006 and 2004

Seriously, I don't understand why this is so hard to believe, considering conservatives up here are trying to take every other trick Republicans use in the States.

If it didn't happen somewhere this past election I'd be utterly astonished.

[Monk06]

45. Pardon my thick headedness but

This is all I could find re information that may be requested of a voter in order to register. Party affiliation is not mentioned. I am still baffled about your experiences in Dartmouth Cole Harbour. I'm on the left coast. This goes against my experience from 1971 to the passing of BILL C-2


BILL C-2: THE CANADA ELECTIONS ACT

Prepared by:
James R. Robertson
Law and Government Division
15 October 1999
Revised 9 March 2000

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Part 7: Revision of Lists of Electors (clauses 93 – 111)

Part 7 deals with the revision of the lists of electors. This facet of the electoral system has assumed a new importance with the establishment of the permanent voters’ list.

Clause 93(1) would require the Chief Electoral Officer to prepare a preliminary list of electors for each polling division in a constituency as soon as possible after the issue of the writ, and to send it to the returning officer.

The form of the preliminary list is set out in clause 93(2): only the names and addresses of electors are to be given; these are to be arranged according to civic address or, if that is not appropriate, in alphabetical order.

The number of names on the preliminary lists of each constituency is to be published in the Canada Gazette by the 31st day before polling (clause 93(3)). Upon receipt of the preliminary list, the returning officer is to provide a copy of it (in printed and electronic form) to each candidate who requests one (clause 94), and a maximum of four printed copies, upon request.


http://www.parl.gc.ca/common/bills_ls.asp?lang=E&ls=C2&...

[Posteritatis]

46. The scam has nothing to do with registration

Nothing at all. They're saying "if you want to vote this way, vote on one day, if you want to vote that way, vote on another." Nothing to do with voter registration at all.

If the US had the Canadian voter registration system people would still be saying "Democrats vote on one day, Republicans on the other." The only thing they're trying to do pulling it up here is make people who aren't voting for their party miss the election, and banking (correctly) on the fact that there's going to be a few people gullible enough to fall for it.

Seriously. It's a scam, not a legal procedure, just like it would be in the US, where this cute little thing floating around Virginia and Ohio conveniently fails to mention people registered as independents. It's stupidity, inspired by stupidity, hoping to cash in on stupidity. The law has nothing at all to do with it.

[Monk06]

47. OK so what's the scam and how does it work ?

Who are they? Local Elector Officers? Are these
EOs doing this in Darmouth Cole Harbour only or
other places in Nova Scotia. Also how can they
verify voter party affiliation?

What if I'm NDP and show up on a 'conservative' voting
day? How do 'they' know I'm not conservative?

And finally the polls are only open on voting day.
There is a provision for absentee voting but no early
polls.

So how does this work, who is doing it and on what
authority are they doing it?

[bean fidhleir]

51. The way it works is that most people are obedient and conforming

When told to do something, they do it without questioning it. "Question Authority" was a vastly popular button and bumpersticker during the '60s precisely because so few people ever *do* question authority. Milgram's famous series of experiments revealed how few people ever question authority

So someone who works a scam like that is almost guaranteed more than 50% obedience, a very nice number if you're trying to suppress voting.

[OswegoAtheist]

30. snopes.com page on this

They have it under "humor" for some reason. I don't think it's very funny, but YMMV.

Oswego "Third Parties vote on Nov. 31st" Atheist

[illuminaughty]

49. We had it in Missouri.

[WriteDown]

9. This same joke comes out every year....

This one is pretty professional looking though.

[heliarc]

16. Hardly a joke

This has been used on poor communities by republicans election cycle after election cycle. I hope that early voting helps with this problem.

[WriteDown]

21. I get the same spam in my inbox every year from the right...

and the left. That is why I referred to it as a joke. There are usually some new twists every year, but its the same concept.

[ronnie624]

39. I'm skeptical of your claim that you get them from the "left".

It seems that every time I read about these "jokes" (hardy fucking har) in the news, they're specifically designed to bamboozle Democrats.

[WriteDown]

53. Just one example

http://www.jeffersondemocrat.org/2007/11/poofster.html . I should note that all I have ever received is email and I have never seen anything in writing for either party. I imagine that in my neighborhood, I should be looking for a Spanish flier.

[ret5hd]

54. That had absolutely no information at all...unless you were looking for slang terms for "gay".

[WriteDown]

58. Uh, the top of the page....

cites the need for Republicans to vote on Wednesday.

[ronnie624]

59. That's a blog,

not spam or a flier, which are designed to defraud thousands of people out of their votes.

[WriteDown]

60. Never said I get anything besides emails.....

I have never received a flyer. Mostly its just jokes among friends and good for a little chuckle. To be honest, I am of the belief that if you don't know that its Election Day on November 4th, then you probably shouldn't be voting anyway. That date has been drilled into my brain since 2nd grade social studies. Its akin to New Year's Eve being on the 31st of every December. I can see where disinformation like this would have been valuable in the Reconstruction era, especially in the South, but its 2008! Even the "temporary citizens" who are my neighbors know the date.

[illuminaughty]

50. Yes, they target poor neighborhoods

As I've posted, they were on car windows in predom. African American neighborhoods in 2004.
It's much more feasible for someone to buy into this now that we have early voting. Before, it was basically you voted on the first Tuesday in November. Period. Now that we have extended voting it could actually confuse some.

[mikelgb]

10. Oldest Trick in the book. Always favors Republicans too.

[Lorien]

64. And if DEMOCRATS tried this shit the media and the GOP would be howling

about it. The GOP screams about ACORN to distract from their own shenanigans, as always.

[happygoluckytoyou]

12. been making that OLD JOKE for years.... at least they could do something FRESH

[KamaAina]

13. "electorial"

three times! Forgive me for casting asparagus on them...

[Window]

25. LOL!

[ronnie624]

37. Definitely produced by Republicans. n/t

[SnowGoose]

14. Security cameras are everywhere.

Maybe it's time for some good to come out of the constant invasion of our privacy.

If these things are being posted, there's got to be video of the people putting them up. That video is evidence of a crime, it seems to me. Throw the book at 'em, and get them to roll on the people a step above them in the criminal organization.

[hootinholler]

20. Yep and the printer IDs should be available too.

This needs to be investigated by the FBI.

-Hoot

[rg302200]

17. These have shown up in Ohio

particularly in Central and S.E. areas...my in-laws showed me the flier they received in the mail. Looked just like the real thing and told them to vote on Wednesday if they were Democrats and on Tuesday if they were Republican!

Maybe its a more coordinated effort now?

[Politicalboi]

28. In the mail????

Wouldn't that be a Federal offense? On top of the federal offense of voter disinformation. How can the post office send these out?

[rg302200]

43. In the mail... I know right?

it came in a formal looking envelope and said Office of the Board of Elections on it. They knew right away it was BS but kept it so that I can check it out. I think it would be easy for someone to do this, just get a list of registered voters and mail the suckers out!

Lets just hope people don't fall for it!

[Lifelong Protester]

23. How pathetic! Jeez, I can't figure out why this same ploy

is used over and over again. Are the Dems out there with some media campaign to refute this? Dumb, dumb, dumb.

[felinetta]

24. Not this garbage again!!!!

[cliffordu]

26. Isn't it a felony to interfere with elections??

[paparush]

27. Focking Republicons. I swear...ARRRRGHHH!

Deep breath.

How, how, HOW can the GOP even pretend to be a viable political party?

Fraud..fraud and more fraud. Fraud and Hubris.

[glinda]

29. Good grief arrest these people

[SeattleGirl]

31. Same shit, different year. When is someone going to jail

these freaks, or at least give them a huge fine, for spreading disinformation like that.

Damn them all to hell!

[progressoid]

35. Lowlifes - Jail 'em!

[superconnected]

36. Repukes will do anything to make sure the vote isn't decided honestly by what people vote for.

They've always centered their shinagians on making sure people can't vote at all. It says a lot about the repuke mind.

[LaPera]

42. Republicans can't win without cheating. Lots more of this shit the next 7 days. We can't let up!

[nichomachus]

44. Someone should file an emergency lawsuit

requiring them to hold the polls open for both days every time this happens. Once they pay that bill a couple of times, the elections officials will go after these assholes right quick. It's also all the more reason to have voting go on for three or four days, rather than just one day. That will end all the scum tactics the repukes use -- like going to minority precincts and challenging every voter -- forcing people, who can't take time off from work, to stand in line for four or five hours to vote.

What the hell is so sacred about having everybody vote on the same day. That made sense in the olden days when everyone in town would just leave the field for an hour or so and amble down to the town hall to vote. With today's 24/7 work schedules and mobile society, it doesn't make any sense.

[Robb]

55. Interesting idea.

Of course, we'd have to endure hours of GOP hotheads complaining, again, how the left can't take a joke... but I like it.

[illuminaughty]

48. They did this in Missouri in predominantly African American communities in 2004

Also had warnings that if you had an outstanding warrant or ticket you would be arrested when you go to vote. Disgusting.

[dipsydoodle]

52. The origin of that goes back some months

It was orignally an email joke the other way around : Republicans to vote on the 5th. It was at the same time as the other one suggesting that for identification Democrats drive with their lights on during the daytime and Republicans drive with them off at night time.

edit spellin'

[treestar]

56. Why do they always have to cheat?

Doesn't it tell them something about themselves?

We joke about it - they do it.

Let's not hold our breath waiting for the news stations to report on it and refute it.

[DS1]

57. I wish for once the fuckstains writing these flyers would take a moment

and reflect on how utterly unpatriotic this is, and kill themselves.

[pinerow]

61. At the risk of being flamed....

If one does not know that presidential elections are every four years on the first Tuesday of November, or that congressional elections are also held on the first Tuesday of November...then perhaps one needs to get themselves up to snuff...should be hardwired by now

[Freddie Stubbs]

62. Is anyone actually stupid enough to fall for this?

[Kingofalldems]

65. Must be hard to defend repubs these days

And do it by attacking the victims of one of their many dirty tricks.

[Freddie Stubbs]

66. Who has been victimized by this?

Seriously, who is dumb enough to fall for this?

Even Barack Obama thinks this stuff is funny:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/10/obama-j...

[helderheid]

63. get it to the Obama camp and the media

[newtothegame]

67. Of course n/t

[ProgressiveEconomist]

69. Let's hope the culprits were stupid enough to use an easily trackable color printer that IDs itself

IDs itself on every page it prints.

From http://www.eff.org/press/archives/2005/10/16 :

"Secret Code in Color Printers Lets Government Track You

Tiny Dots Show Where and When You Made Your Print

San Francisco - A research team led by the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) recently broke the code behind tiny tracking dots that some color laser printers secretly hide in every document. The U.S. Secret Service admitted that the tracking information is part of a deal struck with selected color laser printer manufacturers, ostensibly to identify counterfeiters. However, the nature of the private information encoded in each document was not previously known.

"We've found that the dots from at least one line of printers encode the date and time your document was printed, as well as the serial number of the printer," said EFF Staff Technologist Seth David Schoen. You can see the dots on color prints from machines made by Xerox, Canon, and other manufacturers (for a list of the printers we investigated so far, see: http://www.eff.org/Privacy/printers/list.php ). The dots are yellow, less than one millimeter in diameter, and are typically repeated over each page of a document. In order to see the pattern, you need a blue light, a magnifying glass, or a microscope (for instructions on how to see the dots, see: http://www.eff.org/Privacy/printers/docucolor / )."

[Hokie]

70. Virginia Repukes sent the same thing out in 2000

One of my cousins in VA sent me an email like this in 2000 and I gave him an earful over it. He hasn't spoken to me since.

[GoddessOfGuinness]

71. I used to believe that convicted felons should be able to vote after serving their sentence...

...but in recent days I've come to the conclusion that those convicted of fucking with an election should forfeit ther right to vote permanently. This qualifies, in my opinion.