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Nambe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 03:04 PM
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Cuban diplomat: US embargo is akin to genocide
Source: The Associated Press

Looking ahead to a new American administration, Cuba's top diplomat in Washington opened a campaign Wednesday to generate world pressure to kill a half-century old U.S. trade embargo that he likened to genocide.

"It's equivalent to genocide; its intention is strangulation," Jorge Bolanos said in an Associated Press interview a week before Cuba plans to ask the U.N. General Assembly to condemn the U.S. boycott of his country.

Bolanos steered clear of presidential politics, but he said Cuba was ready for talks with the United States "if the U.S. considers Cuba an equal partner in negotiations."

Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama has said he would be willing to meet with Cuban leader Raul Castro without preconditions and would ease restrictions on family-related travel and on money Cuban-Americans want to send to their families in Cuba. ...

Read more: http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2008/oct/22/cuban-diplomat-us-embargo-is-akin-to-genocide/
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angstlessk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 03:06 PM
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1. what EXACTLY has that embargo done for the US? I want to know
one frigging thing that embargo has done to enhance ANYTHING up to and including national security..it has done squat..noting, nada...zilch FOR the US!
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Nambe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 03:10 PM
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3. It gave us a good place to torture innocent people.
I think Jorge has Obama fever. Good for him.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 03:33 PM
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4. Well, Castro DID ask the USSR to nuke us...
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amyrose2712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 03:09 PM
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2. Kick
We can't allow a communist country to close to survive...:sarcasm:
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 03:34 PM
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5. In the mid-80s Cuba held themselves up to other Latin Am nations as a MODEL of a good economy...
their sugar daddy turns toes up, and suddenly it's all our fault.

No, I don't support the embargo, but I also don't fall for their whining now that they are not being subsidized by the Soviet Union.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 03:52 PM
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9. You should read about facts, not b.s. propaganda
Cuba, after the USSR failed, had to undergo a MASSIVE change in the way they farm. They had to turn to sustainable farming practices - and this way may be the way of the future for the world since oil-based pesticides are a large part of current agri-biz.

Bill McKibben (you can google if you want to know about his work) wrote about this situation in Harpers in 2005:

http://harpers.org/archive/2005/04/0080501

Cuba became an island. Not just a real island, surrounded by water, but something much rarer: an island outside the international economic system, a moon base whose supply ships had suddenly stopped coming. There were other deeply isolated places on the planet—North Korea, say, or Burma—but not many. And so most observers waited impatiently for the country to collapse. No island is an island, after all, not in a global world. The New York Times ran a story in its Sunday magazine titled “The Last Days of Castro's Cuba”; in its editorial column, the paper opined that “the Cuban dictator has painted himself into his own corner. Fidel Castro's reign deserves to end in home-grown failure.” Without oil, even public transportation shut down—for many, going to work meant a two-hour bike trip. Television shut off early in the evening to save electricity; movie theaters went dark.

Cuban caloric intake dropped drastically without oil to fuel their agriculture. But they survived.

...Cuba had learned to stop exporting sugar and instead started growing its own food again, growing it on small private farms and thousands of pocket-sized urban market gardens—and, lacking chemicals and fertilizers, much of that food became de facto organic. Somehow, the combination worked. Cubans have as much food as they did before the Soviet Union collapsed. They're still short of meat, and the milk supply remains a real problem, but their caloric intake has returned to normal—they've gotten that meal back.

In so doing they have created what may be the world's largest working model of a semi-sustainable agriculture, one that doesn't rely nearly as heavily as the rest of the world does on oil, on chemicals, on shipping vast quantities of food back and forth.


AFAIK, Cuba has not been a threat to the U.S. (via their Soviet ally) for decades. If the U.S. can become buddies with Quadaffi, I don't see why the U.S. cannot create a trading partner with Cuba. In these oil-screwed times it would be a good thing, imo, to have trading partners closer to home. Not only that, but the U.S. should stop its war on South American autonomy. As we've seen, capitalism isn't any better at staving off dictatorial actions (Bush's entire pres) or at sustaining a basic level of life for its citizens.

All the bullshit America flings at Cuba is the red meat of South Florida political right wingers. I know, I lived there and saw the reactionary Cubans I worked with - even those who never set foot in Cuba, who were born here, keep up this b.s. -- Cuba chose its form of govt. - if the Cubans here had ancestors who hadn't aligned with the mob and hadn't basically told the rural population to "eat cake," those Cubans bitching about Castro here could've stayed where they were. As it is, they lost the war, both physically and psychologically, in Cuba.

I'm sick of pandering to this hate group by U.S. politicians. There is a bigger issue at stake than the vote of the Cuban-American bloc. The issue is how to create a better world in the here and now. Cuba is no threat to us. Neither is Chavez or Morales.

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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 03:57 PM
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10. I followed VERY closely the conference Castro hosted with other Latin leaders...
Everything was great until the USSR collapsed. Then, it became ALL our fault.

Sorry, that 'logic' just doesn't work.

Yes, we should ditch the embargo.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 04:03 PM
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12. You weren't paying close enough attention. The hell unleashed upon Cuba has been going on for every
year since 1959, bar NONE.

Your information is flawed, spotty, and you need to dive back in there and get busy.

This embargo has been condemned by the entire world for ages, and is viewed as nothing short of economic warfare. Many DU'ers knew that long, long ago. Even the Pope condemned it around the time he visited Cuba himself.

You're attempting to paint a picture which is utterly bogus. DU'ers know better. Don't spread disinformation. Only the most limited among us would EVER buy it.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 04:26 PM
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15. I don't support the embargo, but also note the complicity of the Cuban government...
in the conditions their people live in.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 04:35 PM
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18. yeah, universal health care is crap. so is a high literacy rate.
adapting to a sustainable agricultural economy is so crappy - so crappy they have recovered all the caloric intake for citizens lost since the fall of the USSR.

What, specifically, are you talking about?

Refusal to trade goods has had a huge impact on their economy, considering we're neighbors. Why don't we also embargo Canada? Maybe b/c they have oil. Apparently Cuba has discovered some potential oil (tho I hear it's too much shale).

I think it would be hilarious (in a sick funny sort of way) if Cuba became a hugely rich nation as the U.S. crashes because of its own greedy elite. maybe we'll have a movement that overthrows the Amerian Batistas.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 04:29 PM
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17. your reply has nothing to do with what I said
my post was about the way in which Cuba overcame the collapse of the Soviet Union. that's no saying the embargo is anyone's fault - McKibben's article doesn't say that either.

I'm glad you agree the embargo is bullshit, but please, the issue of the Cuban embargo has been considered nothing more than political pandering for decades. It has nothing to do with "blame." It has to do with political stupidity.

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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 03:35 PM
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6. Obama specifically stated that he supports the embargo.
He might have just been courting right-wing Cubans.

Hard to say.
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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 03:43 PM
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7. my hope is that he was lying to keep it off the list of campaign topics.
the embargo is pointless. who, outside of cuban americans in miami, cares any more?
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 03:49 PM
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8. We trade with Vietnam for dog's sake!
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 04:12 PM
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14. the workers in nam work cheaper than the chinese
they also have 0 rights in the work place.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 03:57 PM
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11. Since the right-wing reactionary Cuban "exiles" have been controlling South Florida politics,
and Florida has 27 electoral votes, EVERY politician beats a track to Miami and the surrounding area to bow and scrape, and blow kisses to them. Their three local Congressfascists are all Republican, as well as their Bush -beloved Senator, Mel Martinez who is there right now working the chumps, designating Obama as a "communist!"

Just the hint of the word "communist" is good enough to get them all gibbering, burning effigies, and running amock.

Politicians love them as they can always be counted on for campaign contributions if you go there and rain down hellfire and damnation on the Cuban government which is controlled by the people they used to control themselves before they were thrown the hell OUT.

Politicians are fatally driven to go there, and prostrate themselves before the "exile" masses, groveling and vowing to get that damned "wabbit" Fidel Castro if it's the last thing they do, and give the reigns of power back to the same horde which turned Miami into what the FBI labeled "America's Terror Capital."
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 04:10 PM
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13. it is an act of war.
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honestduel Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 04:27 PM
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16. Over 40 years of embargo
And no results. Cuba is still ruled by dictators. What's the point of continuing with the embargo?
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Poseidan Donating Member (630 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-08 12:00 AM
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20. Cuba would put communism in the ice-cream
Edited on Thu Oct-23-08 12:03 AM by Poseidan
nt
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 11:04 PM
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19. Yeah, but this is a "kindler, gentler" genocide than what we did to the Indians.
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