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Nambe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 10:47 PM
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Bodies of Saddam’s sons ‘have undergone facial reconstruction’
REUTERS, BAGHDAD


--- "The two bodies have undergone facial reconstruction with morticians putty to make them resemble as closely as possible the faces of the brothers when they were alive," a U.S. military official said. He called it standard practice, although such post-mortem work is frowned on by most Muslims.

U.S. officials have yet to decide how the bodies will be disposed of, another possible controversy in the light of strict Muslim traditions on burial.

Qusay’s uncharacteristic beard, visible in the original U.S. photographs, had been shaved off but a mustache, which he normally wore, had been left. The gaping wound in Uday’s face, visible in the pictures, was gone but a hole in the top of his head was still visible to reporters.

U.S. officials said they had ruled out earlier speculation that he might have shot himself in the head to avoid capture.

Despite the earlier photographs, published Thursday, many Iraqis, brought up on the official lies of the Saddam decades and mistrustful of their American occupiers, were unconvinced. ---

Banish bush From Texas Too
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Julien Sorel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 10:50 PM
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1. LOL
Despite the earlier photographs, published Thursday, many Iraqis, brought up on the official lies of the Saddam decades and mistrustful of their American occupiers, were unconvinced.

We need to get Fox broadcasting to Iraq, teach them what real lying is about. They'll beg for Comical Ali after a dose of Fox.

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scipan Donating Member (374 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 11:00 PM
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2. this is so dumb
Why didn't they leave the faces pretty much as they were, instead of using the putty? I don't know how much it can make someone who isn't, e.g., Uday, look like Uday, so probably the Iraqis don't either.
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pruner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 11:07 PM
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3. how do we know it's facial reconstruction...
and not facial construction?

the whole approach seems outlandish to me.

oh..you don't believe those bloody corpses look like the Hussein boys?

how bout if we use some putty and crayons to make them look the Hussein boys?

will you believe us then?


their "new" faces remind me of the paper mache heads the guys that escaped from Alcatraz made to fool the guards.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 11:14 PM
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4. Touched up
Edited on Sat Jul-26-03 12:07 AM by nu_duer
Isn't that what they call it when a photo has been altered to show a fictional image?

They touched up the bodies to make them resemble saddam's sons as much as possible - and even state that.

I have hesitated to say that I doubt these photos, and the story, but the more I think about it, the harder it is to believe. The timing for the bush regime is just too good, and they have had more than their share of exqisitely timed events shifting public focus from brewing scandals. And we know rove was planning to achieve such a shift.

I doubt this whole story big time now.
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indictrichardperle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 11:21 PM
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5. the whole thing is a FRAUD
i was just looking at another site that has comparisons of the ears, with the real sons, with the noses.....the distance between them (biometrics).....its bullshit.

Im telling you, the OSP is dumb dumb dumb.
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pruner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 11:35 PM
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7. got a link?
I'd like to see such a comparison.
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jamesinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 01:00 AM
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10. I was also looking a published pics in the SF Chronicle today
The eyebrows are all wrong. Even if the facial bones were turned to mush from the trauma, the eyebrows would still hold their shape. They are not the same I don't think. Take with a grain of salt this is my first venture into forensics. But I have watched reruns of Quincy and I do on occasion catch CSI. Seriously though, I am not convinced.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 11:29 PM
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6. CLAY FACES
<>

Pittsburgh Institute of Mortuary Science student works in clay over a plastic skull in the Restorative Art Laboratory at the school. The laboratory class prepares aspiring morticians for the need someday to restore human features lost through trauma or disease before the deceased has a public viewing. (Andy Starnes, Post-Gazette)
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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 11:59 PM
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8. I, too, have my doubts, but
it would be so easy for Saddam to disprove this by showing video with a dated newspaper or other timely information with his sons. I tend to believe it's them because it would be so easy to disprove. We wouldn't be that stupid, would we?
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Devils Advocate NZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 12:21 AM
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9. Unless of course even the Husseins want people to think they're dead...
I posted a thread when the story first broke, suggesting the reason for the collapse of defenses around Baghdad was because the Bush admin did a deal with the Husseins, giving them freedom and a payoff in return for handing over Iraq without fighting in Baghdad.

Remember, there are many, many Iraqi's that would like to hunt down and exact revenge on the Husseins, so it is in their best interest for the world to think they are dead.

As I said on that thread, having the Hussein boys turn up "dead" would be a win-win for both them and Bush.

Here is a link to that thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=64767&mesg_id=64767&page=
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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 01:34 AM
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11. The deaths are their reward
Now they can escape scott free without anyone even looking for them.

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