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DogPoundPup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 11:15 AM
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Palin says Iraq war is 'task from God'
Source: UPI

WASHINGTON, Sept. 3 (UPI) -- Likely Republican U.S. vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin told her church congregation that the Iraq war was part of God's plan, a videotape revealed.

A 14-minute video of a speech the Alaska governor delivered in June to the Wasilla, Alaska, Assembly of God Church and posted Tuesday on the Huffington Post Web site showed her saying the United States' involvement in Iraq is "a task that is from God."

She is seen saying: "Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending (troops) out on a task that is from God. That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God's plan."

In the speech, she tells the congregation that building a long-sought, 1,715-mile natural gas pipeline from Prudhoe Bay, Alaska to Alberta, Canada, is also part of God's plan.

Read more: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2008/09/03/Palin_says_Iraq_... /
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 11:18 AM
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1. She is a Fucking Nut Job
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DogPoundPup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 11:44 AM
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16. Read about the Fucking Nut Job and how she overtook the little town of Wasilla
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 12:15 PM
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23. Appalling
Ann Kilkenny, a Democrat who said she attended every City Council meeting in Palin's first year in office, said Palin brought up the idea of banning some books at a council meeting. "They were somehow morally or socially objectionable to her," Kilkenny said.

The librarian, Mary Ellen Emmons, pledged to "resist all efforts at censorship," Kilkenny recalled. The mayor fired Emmons shortly after taking office but rescinded the termination after residents made a strong show of support. Emmons, who left her job and Wasilla a couple of years later, declined to comment for this article.
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 12:53 PM
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30. bet you 100 mooseburgers that her church friends filled those jobs. n/t
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 09:05 AM
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61. They probably did
And thanks to the internet we'll find out
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HopeHoops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 01:13 PM
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33. I thought the Knights Templar excluded women!
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NeoTheo Donating Member (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 09:52 PM
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52. McCain just didn't want to deal with the religious nut jobs
So they found this gal to be their Jesus whore this election. And of course the fundies are fawning all over here.

I have to ask if Obama had a daughter that was knocked up you know these same people would be throwing at all kinds of bile. What happened to the effectiveness of the Pub's abstinence programs, did daddy forget to take her to the chastity ball? Or is the whole family a bunch of whores.

The intellectual dishonesty that has become the Republican party is just astounding.
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 11:18 AM
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2. Making the MSM???
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pegleg Donating Member (788 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 11:19 AM
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3. I would seriously have to question anything from UPI though.
It is part of Reverend Moon's empire.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 11:28 AM
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8. nothing to question... the video is available on youtube
Edited on Wed Sep-03-08 11:31 AM by ixion
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 11:19 AM
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4. What a puke. Is there another nation where this kind of language is OK? nt
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 11:20 AM
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5. Iran.
n.t.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 12:00 PM
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21. Exactly. Iran.
That's what's so scary about the current world situation-you've got the two biggest nutjob nations--us and them-facing off on each other, each convinced that the Big Guy in the Sky is on their side. And we've got nukes.
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 07:26 PM
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44. Nowhere, inshallah.
God willing, nobody would ever speak like that.

For those who believe that Jesus intervenes in their life, vacations, jobs, projects, and just about everything else is part of God's plan. And we're to pray that our plans match God's plans.

It's not just the words. It's the semiotics.

I don't use "God" except in a referential sort of way. No "God damn", no "Jesus Christ!" as swear words or words of shock and surprise. And would I really want to ask God to send somebody or something to spend eternity in hellfire, just because they cut me off and I lost *my* temper, or didn't hit a nail right and want the hammer to pay for eternity? I think not, even were I to believe in hell. I don't say "God bless you" when you sneeze, I say "excuse me" when I sneeze and "Gesundheit" when others sneeze. I say "thank God" when I seriously want to thank God; not something I've done much of in recent memory.

I took Arabic, and many Arabs have "alhamdulillah" and "inshallah" dripping off their lips every other sentence. We were expected to internalize this usage to be communicatively competent and culturally competent. Somebody complained, and the teacher said the religious and irreligious do it--it's just a verbal tic for many people, and expected in many instances. "Do it, and it's only meaning is that you're behaving appropriately in a conversation. Don't do it, and you sound like you're trying to be weird." "Cultural competence" is something that needs to have more attention paid to it. Unless you're culturally competent, what's said by the Other is going to be misinterpreted and misunderstood through your own cultural centrism.

Both sides do it, in equal measure. Some on both sides assume they're justified in doing it, they and only they are right. I've been on both sides many times--repub and dem friends, atheist and fundie friends, cold-warriors and fellow-travellers--and watched people do it to others and have it done to them, and I've been on the receiving end from numerous sets of diametrically opposed sets of morons. On the same day. On the same issue. Bad news, all around. It's one reason I like being a translator and linguist. It's fun to watch how utterances change meaning in context, to learn new systems of signification and discourse, and see how it's butt-obvious when you know the system what somebody means given the context and discourse, but most people, even those who claim to be native speakers, can't be bothered to summon up the effort to try to understand. Seldom is a conversation boring, you can always focus on the dysfluency and dysfunction.
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ForPeace Donating Member (122 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 11:22 AM
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6. See the video here
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 11:23 AM
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7. to a Republican ''God's plan'' means ''put money in my pocket.''
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StarryNite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 11:32 AM
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9. That's just great...
If those whack jobs get in, we're screwed.
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kysrsoze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 05:22 PM
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43. Rather than pray she not get elected, I sent this bullshit to every person I know who might watch...
AND forward. Please do the same.
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 11:33 AM
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10. She must be stopped. All of this bullshit about what we can and can't talk about when this woman --
-- wants to support massive wars and the mass murder of hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians in the name of her bizarre and evil belief system -- she must be stopped.
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DogPoundPup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 11:40 AM
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15. As mayor, Palin brought culture wars to town
A good, juicy read in the Durham, N.C. (92-08) paper on Palin
http://www.newsobserver.com/politics/story/1204252.html

If you can...please Digg article at http://digg.com/politics/As_mayor_Palin_brought_culture...

Also posted at DU http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 11:33 AM
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11. Praying "that there is a plan"
Pretty much sums up the disastrous misrule of George W. Bush.
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go west young man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 11:34 AM
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12. After watching that video I can proclaim without a doubt
that that person in that video is a religious fucking whackjob. Wake Up Amerika!
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Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 11:35 AM
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13. I prayed on it and God told me it was his plan for
Sarah to put her children before her own ambition

That is what the evangelicals would be saying if the Dems nominated someone with a family like Sarah's

They would say the daughter would not have gotten pregnant if she had been taught abstinence only
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Prisoner_Number_Six Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 11:40 AM
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14. As a Christian I take great offense at that prattling airhead
calling for war prayers.

She should take a lesson from what happened to Dobson and his crew- he called for prayers for rain to disrupt the Democratic convention, and it was sunny, warm, and crowded with supporters. On the other hand, the REPUBLICAN convention was hit with a hurricane. I still haven't heard any word of how he spun that one...

"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God." (Matthew 5: 9)
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tama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 11:47 AM
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17. Real fundamentalists
I don't see truly believing fundamentalists like Amish taking up the sword to conquer foreign lands - their fundament is safe and sound.

It is only the doubting pseudofundies like evangelicals and salafis who hoard material riches who are eager to take up the sword to die by the sword.
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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 01:02 PM
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32. "Pseudofundies" - also find economically compromised individuals willing to take up
the sword for them, as they're too cowardly to actually act upon their own words!
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 11:47 AM
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18. If it is "a task from God", then fighting in the conflict is doing God's work.

Therefore, anyone who believes this should immediately joined the military to do God's work. :sarcasm:




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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 11:58 AM
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19. Looks like McLame found another Hagee fundy to admire
That speech is scary--- These idiots will start WW III
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Purveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 11:58 AM
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20. Substitue God with Allah and this could have been from a bin Laden script. eom
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 12:13 PM
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22. This is a Jesus was a warrior and a Capitalist speech . . . if she can sell it--!!!
Edited on Wed Sep-03-08 12:13 PM by defendandprotect
Oh . . . he's also anti-Muslim and loves Crusades ---
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 12:17 PM
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24. She is a Christian Bin Laden
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Swagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 12:20 PM
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25. the only problem being..God didn't know about this plan or approve it
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 12:23 PM
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26. God invades sovereign nations? JESUS invaded Iraq????
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newfie11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 12:27 PM
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27. Let her go fight since she is the believer
Bring everyone else home
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Donkeykick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 12:39 PM
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28. Sheesh!
she must be related to Pat Robertson!
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4lbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 12:51 PM
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29. This doesn't make sense.
What Sarah Palin says doesn't make sense to anyone with a brain, regardless of how religious they are.

Christianity (this means Catholics, the various Protestants, and Mormons), Judaism, and Islam, all believe in God. The *> SAME <* God.

The Iraq War is a "task from God" ?

Uh..... so God sent one group of followers to another place to kill another group of his followers?

In the Holy Bible, whenever God wanted a group of people wiped out, did he send a group of people to do it, or did he just do it himself?

What, did he suddenly lose his omnipotence in 2000 years and decided it would be less effort for 200,000 people to uproot themselves for years and go kill another 100,000 people in his honor?

Yeah, ok. Good luck with that. :sarcasm:
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 01:30 PM
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35. it's not without "precedent"
> In the Holy Bible, whenever God wanted a group of people wiped out,
> did he send a group of people to do it, or did he just do it himself?

He's been known to do both. Smites cities, drowns armies, plagues of locusts and whatnot, but occasionally tells the Hebrews to massacre some tribe or other on a whim. Read the Old Testament, there's some truly nasty stuff in there pertaining to the treatment of civilians. Anyone who thinks the OT God cared about babies and the unborn needs to read up on what happened to the Amorites, Amalekites, and various other peoples who did things differently or had lands in which the "chosen people" wished to settle.

The scary thing is, some people still firmly believe such a genocidal deity deserves their devoted worship and praise. :shrug:
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 12:54 PM
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31. Remember those "stealth candidates" that took over all those school boards??
She's one of those!
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 01:22 PM
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34. oh crap, she is fueling the rapturists, a dangerous combination
this is what exactly Cheney wants, a warmonger and someone who supposedly thinks killing others is what God wants. WTF.
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Crowman1979 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 01:34 PM
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36. One of the reasons I left the military a couple years ago!
Was the mentality of people like this. I didn't want to continue serving my country with people like this in charge. Evangelizing was on nobody's mind in my unit while I was over there. Still haven't found anything about declaring holy wars in the constitution.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 02:44 PM
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38.  We were "Too Busy" trying to survive
Nut jobs start crazy wars
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Crowman1979 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 07:47 PM
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45. All because of some elite thug being afraid of somebody on the other side of the world.
Who have no capability of invading our nation or even our most distant territories.
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Crowman1979 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 01:36 PM
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37. So I guess killing millions of native americans was a task from god also.
And how about that civil war? You had two conflicting messages from god! It's like god had multiple personalities in that war.
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 10:06 PM
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71. A lot of people back then believed that
They fancied themselves as modern Israelites throwing the "Canaanites" out of the "Holy Land"
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 03:01 PM
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39. yep, she's a hostile freeper nut job. Who was that crazy woman in FL
Who helped steal the 2000 election? This could be her sister.
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4lbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 03:47 PM
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41. You mean Katherine Harris?
n/t
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 03:30 PM
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40. Kick for the Krusader!
:kick:
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 03:47 PM
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42. She is truly insane
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Suji to Seoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 09:00 PM
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46. Palin: Iraq War 'a task from God'
Edited on Wed Sep-03-08 07:17 PM by Suji to Seoul
Source: AP

ANCHORAGE, Alaska - Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin told ministry students at her former church that the United States sent troops to fight in the Iraq war on a "task that is from God."

In an address last June, the Republican vice presidential candidate also urged ministry students to pray for a plan to build a $30 billion natural gas pipeline in the state, calling it "God's will."

Palin asked the students to pray for the troops in Iraq, and noted that her eldest son, Track, was expected to be deployed there.

"Our national leaders are sending them out on a task that is from God," she said. "That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that plan is God's plan."

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080903/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_pal...



What is she smoking?
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Voltaire99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 09:00 PM
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47. Sarah, Sarah, Sarah.
You're fucking nuts, lady. Get back to your fish biz, your bearskin rugs, your belly-blooming daughters, your Rapture calisthenics.
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pinkpops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 09:00 PM
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49. cwazy
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pinkpops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 09:00 PM
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48. The link says there are video clips but
there are no links...
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Demit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 09:00 PM
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50. You Tube link
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patrioticandrea Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 09:00 PM
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51. Someone please stop this woman
Dear Sarah Palin:

The greatest love of my life served with honor in the Marine Corps and was being recalled for his THIRD tour in the Middle East weeks before he was killed in a car accident. He was proud to serve as a Lance Corporal, did a tour in Afghanistan, was in the Battle of Falluija (sp?), served his four years of active duty thinking he would never have to return to a war that made a strong man afraid of lightening because it reminded him of bombs.

Sarah Palin, I don't believe that if Chris were alive today that he would agree with you. How dare you make such statements when you've never served a day of military service in your life.

Sarah, I really wish you'd shut up about things you are clueless about. Statements like yours are what are going to lead us into World War III where religious fundamentalists believe the US is out to convert everyone to Christianity. Just stop already and go back to teaching abstinence to your children. Clearly you've done a spectacular job with that.

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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 10:00 PM
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53. Welcome
Thank you for your post

It's moving :-) :-)
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funkyfeet Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 08:37 AM
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58. Part of the delusional Bible Thumper Brigade
As a Christian believer it makes me sick and it has to make Christ shake his head in disgust that these BLATHERING LOONY-TOONE NINCOMPOOPS try and co-op the Christian faith thinking they have some exclusive pipeline of understanding to God's will. "A task from GOD"??? I beg to differ.......
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psychopomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 10:07 PM
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54. Misleading article!
Here's an exact transcription of what she said at that point:

Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right also for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending them out on a task that is from God, that's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that plan is God's plan.


Asking folks to pray that a plan be God-approved is quite different from saying it is God-approved.
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Third Doctor Donating Member (213 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 12:26 AM
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56. These crusading holy warriors
scare the hell out of me! So a war that has killed and maimed thousands of innocent people for what amounts to oil rights, and then can only be justifeid by dumb speeches and rhetoric is part of god'S plan? I guess she thinks that the lord was working through ole dubya?!
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funkyfeet Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 08:43 AM
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59. Very little difference
>>Asking folks to pray that a plan be God-approved is quite different from saying it is God-approved.

Asking God to come along and rubber stamp your plans without seeking HIS will first is NO PLAN at all my friend

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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 09:46 AM
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66. How is it misleading?
"are sending them out on a task that is from God"-seems to pretty clearly state that the Iraq war is a "task that is from God".

She sounds crazy and stupid-the perfect Repuke-bot.
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Harold J. Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 10:51 PM
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55. WHAT!!!!!!!!!
I swear we the American people need to be very, VERY careful with these people like palin and bush. These people sound like the people that attacked us on 9/11 thinking the same way. DANGEROUS.
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Pavlovs DiOgie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 08:12 AM
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57. k & r!
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Wabbajack_ Donating Member (669 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 08:45 AM
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60. Freepers are practically masturbating to her speech
sickening.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 09:10 AM
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62. yeah, let's see her pick up her gun and join God's army in Iraq. Prolife?
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KillCapitalism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 09:19 AM
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63. This woman is dangerous and just plain batshit crazy.
I think I'll go hide on some island in the South Pacific if her & McCain get elected. She will take us to war with Iran, Venezuela, China, and Russia. I worry most about the last two because they would probably nuke us if they McCain/Palin launched a preemptive war..
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CaughtInTheMiddle Donating Member (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 09:35 AM
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64. All the Dems have to do is...
Go find a tape of Bin Laden saying the same type of thing, make a commercial out of it (with both), and have a backdrop of the evils of the crusades.
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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 09:43 AM
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65. She sounds (and acts) like Bush and Cheney rolled up into one disgusting package.nt
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workinclasszero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 09:51 AM
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67. Palin is batshit crazy!
A Reich wing religious nutjob. She was even praying for a pipeline to be built!!

Who is her god? The CEO of Exxon???? :crazy:
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panzerfaust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 10:07 AM
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68. Which is why those in power always support some form of religion
Edited on Thu Sep-04-08 10:08 AM by panzerfaust

If the Gods did not exist, we would have to create them.
- Truly do not recall who first wrote this (Greek, I think)

Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich.
- Napoleon

When did I realize I was God?
Well, I was praying and I suddenly realized I was talking to myself.
- Peter OToole


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Rocknrule Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 08:32 PM
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69. For those of you who have seen "The Mist"
I propose "McCain/Carmody 2008" bumperstickers
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 08:36 PM
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70. So this is the stuff God thinks up for humans to do.
:banghead:
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