Palin daughter pregnant - McCain/Palin admit

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Bristol Palin pregnant -- right nowPosted: Monday, September 01, 2008 11:58 AM by Mark Murray
Filed Under: 2008, Palin
From NBC's Mark Murray
Reuters: "The 17-year-old daughter of Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin is pregnant, Palin said Monday in an announcement intended to knock down rumors by liberal bloggers that Palin faked her own pregnancy to cover up for her child.

Bristol Palin, one of Alaska Gov. Palin's five children with her husband, Todd, is about five months pregnant and is going to keep the child and marry the father, the Palins said in a statement released by the campaign of Republican presidential candidate John McCain.

Bristol Palin made the decision on her own to keep the baby, McCain aides said. 'We have been blessed with five wonderful children who we love with all our heart and mean everything to us,' the Palins' statement said. 'Our beautiful daughter Bristol came to us with news that as parents we knew would make her grow up faster than we had ever planned. As Bristol faces the responsibilities of adulthood, she knows she has our unconditional love and support,' the Palins said."



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[stray cat]

1. Another failure in abstinance only education

[SpiralHawk]

18. Typical republicon hypocrisy

The 'family values' republicons are shameless hypocrites, as they prove once again.

[bulloney]

148. Things like this happen to any family.

My only knock is that if this would have happened to Chelsea Clinton or Amy Carter, can you imagine the phony outrage that Limpballs, Insanity and those other RW hypocrites on the radio would have expressed?

And the so-called MSM would have had stories on this 24/7 for weeks if it happened in the Carter or Clinton families.

Mark it down as another 'oops' moment in the McCain campaign vetting process. But they'll turn it around to appease the right-to-life crowd and convince them that a liberal family like the Obamas would have aborted the baby had this happened to them.

[polmaven]

187. "Hillary Clinton is NOT qualified

to be a United States Senator/President of these United States of America if she can't even 'control' her own daughter!!!!".....THAT kind of phony outrage!

OMG! it would be 24/7 saturation coverage about what horrid people the Clinton family...all of it...are!

[George II]

214. Two points..

1. It does happen to "any family", but that it happened to a rightwing fundamentalist family with a VP candidate running on that ethic is reprehensible.

2. It did NOT happen to Chelsea Clinton or Amy Carter. So much for "them" being morally and ethically superior and "us" being immoral and unethical!

[Blaq Dem]

241. I find it ironic how they announced this during the middle of a hurricane.

Everyone is paying more attention to the hurricane. Nothing else. The Palin's assume this story will be forgotten soon.

[George II]

254. Which hurricane?

Gustav or the birth of her "fifth" child?

I guess the second isn't a hurricane, just a firestorm!

[Thor_MN]

311. The spinning around this will make Gustav look like toy top

Watch how quickly it gets morphed into some kind of heroic challenge, plus Sarah now has more experience, she's a preemptive Grandmother.

[jasmeel]

258. Amen-the dems seem to have their shit together as parents-

even though they are satan's spawn

[regnaD kciN]

288. Plus (and this is what makes the story important)...

...the first thing the Palins apparently tried to do was make up a case of mononucleosis as the excuse to keep her out of school (and out of sight) until she was no longer visibly "in trouble."

Some say this refutes the "Grandma-Gate" rumors. But, to my mind, it only affirms the essence of them -- that Sarah Palin & family were so concerned with her own self-righteous image and political career that they would make up a lie (the case of mono) to cover up the facts. Whether they say "oh, no, this baby is her mom's" or "she's got mono, that's why she has to remain out of the public's sight," it's still a lie -- one designed to cover up the "inconvenient truth" that the daughter of a strict fundie family had sex before marriage. And can there be any doubt that the only reason this is being revealed now is because the "Grandma-Gate" rumors made the cover-up impossible to continue? A lie is a lie is a lie...

[BearSquirrel2]

347. I proves nothing ...

Obviously, they are trying to knock out the fake pregnancy rumors before they hit MSM sources. Because, there is no feasible reason why a sane women would get on an 8 hour flight when labor was imminent.

a) Bristol got knocked up again right after she gave birth. That's 1 or two months off what they're claiming so this is a suitable cover.
b) This is a fake announcement and the second Bristol child will "miscarry".

This was released to throw everybody of the scent of the other case. The thing is, no one is getting into Bristol's business. She's a minor and by definition, off limits. It is Sarah's behavior that we are looking into.

By releasing news that Bristol is pregnant, they are trying to make any story about Sarah look like a story about Bristol. If it was a non-story, they wouldn't even release it.

[Ghost Dog]

399. Looks like a carefully-documented timeline is required,

pinpointing what happened when, who said what when, with timestamped photos attached.

For example, I believe I read that Ms. Bristol had been out of school on the mono excuse during 8 (eight) months. But 8 months up to what date, I don't now know.

I also read that one month (again, we need exact dates) before the Trig delivery, Ms. Sarah announced she was pregnant (is this announcement photographically documented?). Her staff and colleagues commented that they all had no clue. "She just didn't look pregnant". Airline employees just hours before the birth also said she didn't look pregnant. When exactly did she look pregnant?

... Lots of questions still. Give her enough rope and she'll predictably hang herself in a tangle of lies, in front of the Corporate Media, now.

One does of course wish the kids could be left out of this, and it could just be about Ms. Sarah's 'family values', fundamentalist dominionism (why is dominionism not illegal in the States?), and hypocritical and probably incompetent dishonest corruption, and what that would mean for society were she ever to approach or obtain real power in the field of far-right politics she herself has chosen.

[CoffeeCat]

444. Bristols pregnancy answers NONE of the....

...questions that caused me to doubt that Trig was Sarah Palin's baby.

First off--I still don't understand why she leaked amniotic fluid and then got on an 8-hour
flight home from Texas to Alaska--all supposedly under the advice of her family physician.
A 44-year old, high-risk, Downs Syndrome pregnancy, and we're supposed to believe that her
physician advised Sarah Palin to avoid going to the doctor, and instead hope on plane and
travel half the day?

What about Sarah Palin's staff never suspecting that she was pregnant, even when she was
supposedly 7 months along? What about the flight crew who said she showed no signs of pregnancy
or never mentioned being pregnant, or leading amniotic fluid or being uncomfortable or concerned?

What about Sarah Palin's daughter Bristol disappearing from school for 5-8 months prior to
Trig's birth. This would have been last fall 07 - spring 08. No one is out from mono
for 5-8 months. This has not been explained.

What about all of the pictures that were online, in which Bristol looked pregnant and her mother
didn't? These photos were dated BEFORE Bristol would have been pregnant the second time.

I'm sorry if people think I'm petty or reckless. This is not about Bristol. This isn't about
teenage pregnancy, and it's not about "family business." This is about the possibility that
Sarah Palin has been lying to the people of Alaska and the people of the United States, and committing
major fraud on this nation.

I still see many unanswered questions. Possibly, there is an explanation for all of this, but all
I've heard in response is that Bristol is pregnant. Many women get pregnant very soon after giving
birth. After my first, my doctor warned me about this and said it's possible to get pregnant right away,
after giving birth.

I am not a gossip and I do not think that personal attacks are fair. This is not a personal
attack. I respect what Senator Obama said about this issue. However, this is about Sarah Palin's
honesty, integrity and if she is in fact, a serial liar.

I think there are still many unanswered questions.

When this new "Bristol is pregnant" story emerged today, at first the line was that Bristol was "five
months pregnant." The story changed throughout the day, and then the line was she's "about five months"
and now the McCain camp is saying that she is "in her second trimester." They're parsing. They're changing
things. Furthermore, Trig has always been five months old. Today, Trig was said to be "four months old" in
a CNN story. Maybe this was reporter error. However, these curiosities are the latest batch in a very
convoluted, bizarre, contradictory story--that really does not add up.

Maybe this story isn't for the Democrats to figure out. Maybe it will die, and everyone will move on--with several
questions unresolved. However, I really do hope that someone does some real investigative journalism on this, and
fleshes out all of these answers. The possibility exists that Sarah Palin has lied repeatedly and has concocted
lie after lie with a straight face--all for political gain, and at the expense of her daughter.

America needs to know if that is true or not.

[Ghost Dog]

458. More than a possibility, a high probability. Agree.

Serious investigation should continue.

[Just-plain-Kathy]

459. Re: "Palin's staff never suspecting that she was pregnant,

...even when she was supposedly 7 months along". Palin's a slender woman, how could there be no baby bump?

[Just-plain-Kathy]

460. ...another thing, what kind of name is Trig? Is it short for Trigger?

[JeanGrey]

419. Stop. Just stop.

[BearSquirrel2]

429. It's worn out ..

It's worn out here. But I'm sure some enterprising reporter will snoop around and piece things together.

I'm really not sure if it's true or not. But a lot of things seem to point to the possibility. Because if she DID, it's fraud and that would end the Palin campaign.

[JeanGrey]

448. What is Fraud? Are you for real?

You're helping her with this stuff.

[Nine]

437. I completely agree. (nt)

[MindMatter]

338. I don't understand how she could be showing her pregnancy in the January pictures

And not yet have given birth.

Perhaps we still don't know the truth.

[skooooo]

465. hypocracy?

Embracing and supporting a family member's decision to keep this child is in line with "family values".

[skooooo]

468. The above post was not made by me..

...someone's hacked my account.

[kestrel91316]

47. Another failure in parenting, I'd say. As Palin and friends will tell you,

it's not the school's responsibility to teach sex education, it is 100% the parents' responsibility.

If Palin can't handle teaching her kid about sex, how can she handle running the country?

[1Hippiechick]

104. LOL. I like your premise and conclusion.

[JeanGrey]

420. I'd say we need to be very careful about saying a pregnant

daughter is a "failure of parenting". Wouldn't you? Or do you want to really piss off the mothers and fathers of pregnant teens who are dems?

[adamuu]

86. Family opposes contraception, pregnant kid results n/t

[Festivito]

127. NOT a failure. More ignorant Republicans, faster and faster.

Dems go through the motions, yet have fewer offspring.

These guys will go through six generations of many more each, while we go through two and fewer in each.

They make voters faster than we can educate them.

[BrklynLiberal]

150. That is actually a very scary, and very valid point.

The fundies of EVERY stripe have huge families. I do believe they are just intent on winning by outnumbering their opponents.

[Mist]

160. "Idiocracy" in action! nt

[JackInGreen]

195. frighteningly true

the ignorant and the foolish will one day rule the world by simple population.

[adamuu]

334. yes they are trying to out-number us

Remember what Rush said about minority birth rates?

[connecticut yankee]

213. Am I being cynical

if I predict that in to weeks Bristol will have a "miscarriage?"

[willing dwarf]

253. My thought too

The whole thing just smells strange. This is weird!

[SoCalDem]

286. Would they really fake a baby-funeral too?

rhetorical question.. yes she would

[nosenor]

337. Crystol's NYT Palin column today "A Star is born" JAJAJAJA

He should have called it "a star is going to be born."
He writes:

If Palin turns out not be up to the challenge for which McCain has selected her, McCain will pay a heavy price. His judgment about the most important choice he’s had to make this year will have been proved wanting. He won’t be able to plead that being right about the surge in Iraq should be judged as more important than being right about his vice-presidential pick.

Looks like McCain's judgment has been proved "wanting." That was fast!
TOO BAD Crystol doesn't read "liberal blogs," he could have saved himself a complete embarrassment. today. JAJAJAJA

[sharesunited]

2. Pro-life family values means NO CONTRACEPTIVES. Say goodbye to Roe AND Griswold!

[Joe Bacon]

182. Yeah, and say "HELLO' to Britney values

Yep, looks like that abstinence stuff works real good

[George II]

218. Sure hope the Obama campaign runs a "Britney/Paris/Sarah" ad!!!!

[krkaufman]

297. Because you want Obama to lose the election? nt

[George II]

302. Doesn't ANYONE around here have a sense of humor?

[Demeter]

395. Depends on the Topic

but not that I've been able to detect.

[krkaufman]

434. Sure... but there are plenty of crazies, as well, who would think such an ad a good thing.

For future reference, absent the ability to communicate through body language, emoticons and other mechanisms (e.g. "</sarcasm>") provide good substitutes.

[George II]

435. Well, part of the point of the suggestion for the ad was...

...McCain criticized Obama for speaking about serious issues in front of 200,000 Germans, whose lives pivot around American foreign policy. McCain ridicules him and calls him a "celebrity" and compares him to Britney Spears and Paris Hilton. Then he turns around and gets his ticket's families to pose (with the single underage pregnant daughter included) for the cover of PEOPLE Magazine. Not Time, not Newsweek, not National Review, but freaking PEOPLE!!!

More McCain hypocracy!

[depakid]

377. That's the real story here- and has been all along

Not sure what it's going to take to get the timid Dems o run with it.

[Mike Nelson]

3. I don't believe the daughter had a choice

considering her mother's the Governor

[lapfog_1]

10. She could have waited to have sex until marriage.

That's what the fundies all say that they want for every child in America.

What a horrible failure of Sarah Palin's parental skills.

[MindMatter]

342. It is a failure of her PHILOSOPHY, not her skills

And this is why no fundie should ever be allowed to be in charge of anything.

They have heads crammed heaping full of shit.

I wish I could adopt Bristol and give the girl a chance of a fulfilling life in the real world.

[lapfog_1]

450. Sorry, I should have added one of these...

I forget sometimes. Trying to be better about it.

[kestrel91316]

51. If there's a Planned Parenthood in town, she could have gone there.

[kestrel91316]

If there's a Planned Parenthood in town, she could have gone there.

Free birth control. No phone call to mom.

[amandabeech]

275. She would have had to have gone at least as far as Anchorage.

Wasilla is too small for a Planned Parenthood, and in a small town, everyone would have known that she was there, if by nothing more than her car, which would have been recognizable to more than a few locals.

In the town in which I grew up, which is smaller than Wasilla even though we have a nice, but small, townhall and a pretty county courthouse, girls would take a day off from school and go, "shopping" in a small city of 150,000 to the south. A month or two later, they would have gained weight, especially in the chest, from the potent birth control pills available in the early 1970s. Everybody knew.

There were surprisingly few out-of-wedlock births, although one girl in my class disappeared for half the year, and returned married and with a kid.

[Ghost Dog]

118. Did she have a choice as to what church to attend,

what indoctrination to receive, or not as the case may otherwise be?

[NC_Nurse]

4. No wonder they have a lot of shotguns...

[wtmusic]

20. They keep forgetting to load them. nt

[Loge23]

5. This is getting very whacky! (eom)

[Mz Pip]

6. Terrific job

as parents Sarah and Todd! You instilled those conservative family values in your daughter well. Heck of a job, Sarah.

If you couldn't do it in your own family, how do you expect to do it in the country?

[elocs]

7. My God! Does that mean that Palin's baby is actually hers?

How bizarre is that? I glad this aspect of the whole thing is over before Dems look too stupid.

[CreekDog]

82. Name even ONE prominent Democrat who has even touched this story

whatever.

[pampango]

Thankfully none. Can't say the same for internet posters, but we're not

running for public office.

[elocs]

353. No prominent Dem would touch it, but many DUers were all over it

just in case you hadn't noticed.

[BearSquirrel2]

414. It's not over ...

This story is a coverup. So Sarah Palin threw her kids to the wolves to make up stories that she lied about Trig. That's her story.

The media is going to get into this. It's too juicy not to. I just hope they aren't to quick as after the nomination goes through and the ballots are printed. At that point, they're stuck with her. If they were smart, they would force her out before the end of the convention.

[Ghost Dog]

131. Look at the way she handles the poor kid,

compared with the way Bristol holds him. Do you really think he's hers? Show me some more loving photos (and more of Sarah actually looking pregnant), and provable documentation, and I might begin to believe it.

[Peregrine Took]

217. I guess if she held him in normal, motherly way he might have blocked her

in the photo. Look at the scary way she looks at the camera "ME" "ME" "ME"

[JDPriestly]

303. And I have seen pictures in which the daughter is treating and holding the baby

as if it were her own. It may simply be that the responsibility for caring for the baby has been left to the daughter and that it is the daughter who has effectively adopted the mother's child. That happens too.

[Ghost Dog]

391. Eg. here:

[JimDandy]

410. NOW we know it's more likely that

the Palins instructed Bristol to hold the baby at public appearances in order to cover up her pregnant belly. Look at all the videos and photos since the VP announcement. In every one in which Bristol is present, SHE is always the person holding Trig. If Bristol had been allowed to also pose on the cover of PEOPLE, who do you think would have been holding Trig then (remember the People cover was prior to the prego announcement.)

My two cents - The People cover is pure exploitation of that poor soul. They've added a new word to the lexicon - "Downsploitation"

edited to add last sentence

[krkaufman]

307. Wow, that's an exploitive photo. Why just the one child in the pic?

Hmmm... to remind or inform voters of Palin's choice to keep the baby, I expect. These people scare me.

[Hansel]

330. Why is the baby even in this picture? nt

[JDPriestly]

469. Bristol appears to be very, very fond of Trig. Maybe she just likes

babies. I did. So I can understand if that's it. But, she does hold that baby as though he were her own. She holds him even when they are all sitting down.

[krabigirl]

192. I dunno - the whole thing is still pretty fishy.

[connecticut yankee]

276. my theory is

that they're trying to cover up the cover-up.

If the original story were pursued any further, it would have come out that Bristol was the mother and it would have shown Sarah to be a liar, as well as possibly engaging in falsifying public records.

So, they realized that they can't protect Bristol any more. They announce that she's pregnant (making it impossible that she's Trig's mother). She has a "miscarriage" in a couple of weeks, so there won't be another baby.

The young man she's supposed to marry is probably Trig's father, anyway.

[SoCalDem]

283. Coming soon to a theatre near you."Throw Bristol from the Train"

Directed by Sarah Palin...
Screenplay by Karl Rove
Co-starring:
Grandpa McCain
Levi Whats-his-name
Snowmobile Dude

[MindMatter]

362. That is so twisted

And I wouldn't doubt it for a minute. These fundies are not rational people. If you can believe shit like God punishing New Orleans because of a gay parade (and not also figure out that means that God is now punishing the GOP by sending another hurricane to mess with their convention) your brain is not working. As twisted as it appears to sane people, this is exactly the sort of mental contortions that fundies do every day of their lives. This tangled web would make perfect sense to that whole family.

[Ghost Dog]

405. My conjecture also.

More or less.

[klyon]

289. to me that makes the story worse, that she endangered her baby

by ignoring the leaking fluid and labor pains to flying home and go to tiny hospital when she could have seen doctors in Dallas or even Anchorage, which she passed through to get to her doctor. And why wasn't the doctor on the trip in the first place, after all she is the Governor? Pregnant women should not be flying at the end of pregnancies. What if the plane had had to make an emergency landing because she started to deliver? Looks like very bad judgment to me.

[BearSquirrel2]

352. This is what they want you to believe ...

The timeline given was chosen so that the Bristol being the parent of the child would seem impossible. The only thing you have to go on for ANY of this is the word of Sarah Palin and her actions don't seem to match the facts. Nor does the prolonged absence of her daughter from school.

I think we're all sorry here that Bristol has such a fucked up wackjob mamma.