Obama camp links McCain to Abramoff scandal; Second negative ad in 24 hours

[DeepModem Mom]

Source: CNN

(CNN) — Barack Obama's campaign is linking John McCain to the infamous Jack Abramoff scandal that ended several Republicans' political careers three years ago in a new campaign ad hitting Georgia airwaves Wednesday.

The 30-second spot is the Obama campaign’s second negative ad in the past 24 hours. It attacks the Arizona senator for his association with former Christian Coalition head Ralph Reed, one of the Republicans implicated in the scandal.

The ad also seems to suggest McCain didn't call Reed to testify before a Senate panel he chaired in return for political favors.

“When the Senate investigated, the senator in charge never even called Reed to testify….And that senator? John McCain. And who’s now raising money for McCain’s campaign? Ralph Reed," the ad's narrator says. "For 26 years in Washington, John McCain’s played the same old games. We just can’t afford more of the same.”...


Obama's campaign is out with a tough new campaign ad featuring Jack Abramoff.

Read more: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/20/obama-c... /

[Mojambo]

1. More, more, more! n/t

[calimary]

13. MORE! Much MUCH More!!!

Get MEAN, Barack. Aim below the belt. I know you probably don't want to, but it's not about your dignity or courtesy or rising above it or taking the high road or being noble or any of that simpering nice-nice fair-play crap. It's about frickin' WINNING.

You play nice when you're teaching your kindergartener to play checkers. Not when you're running for POTUS.

[lynnertic]

28. which brings up a burning question

"You play nice when you're teaching your kindergartener to play checkers. Not when you're running for POTUS."
Sigh. I can't argue with this as much as I disagree with it.

But it brings up another question,

When do you teach your kids not to lie?

It seems like all the headlines are about how nobody's surprised that businesspeople or banks or politicians or pastors are lying. I turn on the tube and the family-hour sitcoms show us how hilarious and ultimately harmless it is to try to weave a web of lies. The consequences of lying seem to be completely arbitrary: nothing, or blammo you're Martha Stewart, in jail for 9 months.

It makes me glad I don't have a kid.

[George II]

53. So where is the "lie" in that ad? Or are you referring to McCain's denial of lobbyist involvement?

[lynnertic]

59. there isn't a lie in that ad, but the attitude of 'play nice sometimes but not now'

I thought, let me bring up my question about the lying. I've been dying to ask it.

And as far as McCain goes, the latest lie I heard from him was when he was in church telling that 'cross in the dirt' story last weekend. In a church!!

[calimary]

66. Yeah, I know. It is a horrible dilemma we're stuck in.

I would love to see honorable campaigning. Evidently, throughout history that's just not how it's gone. I disagree with it, too, on principle.

But the REALITY here, and it's a harsh, shitty reality, is that as long as dirty campaigning wins, and we're faced with an opposing side that loves it more than sex and chocolate, we're forced to deal with it as it is. And it is dirty.

My concern is the result. Many times, I've sighed, myself, and had to admit I'm as Machiavellian as the next guy. But I don't want the next guy to win. I want MY guy (or gal) to win. Because MY guy is far less apt to sidle up to the PNAC and bring a bunch of warmongers and pirates and cheats and liars and corner-cutters and thieves and incompetent political cronies into office with him. MY guy shares my belief that government is something to use to help people who can't help themselves for the common good, rather than something to be sneered at, packed with scheming, greedy partisans and Regent "University" idiots, or dismantled. MY guy is NOT of a mindset that shoots first and asks questions later, and fully understands and can deal with nuance. MY guy is not of a mindset that believes the way you solve problems is simplistically to cut taxes for the mere sake of cutting taxes with no regard for the impact such willy-nilly slashes in funding will have. MY guy isn't the type who thinks the way you solve international disputes is simply to throw more military at it. MY guy is the guy who wisely thinks LONGTERM, with a broad mind rather than short-term quick-n-dirty and with a narrow mind.

And it's all about winning. If you don't win, you don't get the chance to run things, make policy, set the agenda, and own the bully pulpit. You don't get to apply all those positive attributes I listed in the paragraph just above. You don't get to bring any of that to the table. Hell, you don't even get into the room where the table is. And you can't affect positive change and try to reorient the American mindset for a better future instead of trying to redo an embittered past. UNLESS YOU WIN.

Winning is EVERYTHING in politics. All the nobility in the world won't be brought to bear if, FIRST AND FOREMOST, you don't WIN.

So I wanna win. And I don't care what it takes. And I frankly don't care what kind of ethical or moral compromises I'd have to make to win. Not anymore. Not after what's happened especially in the last seven-and-some years. Not after seeing what happens when the other guy cheats and games the system and wins - and brings HIS mindset of greed, resentment, arrogance, and deceit in and puts THAT on the table and then locks MY side out of the room where that table is. It's more important, for the good of more people (and at this point, we're talking not just nationally but globally in terms of our impact), that MY side wins.

When you have a situation where playing fair doesn't work - because only one side plays fair and always gets played by the side that resolutely refuses to play fair - then you've gotta throw the play-fair stuff out the window and rethink your game plan. Playing fair only works and is reasonable WHEN BOTH SIDES PLAY FAIR. And we do not live under such conditions these days.

Yeah, I hate it, too. But with everything that's at stake in a larger sense for our country and our world, I hate losing MUCH more. Hey, situational ethics and all that. Guilty as charged. And I'm a mom in that predicament, still struggling with the way you somehow try to explain that to your kids. While you try to explain what happened in 2000 to them that flies in the face of everything they just learned in civics class. Sigh...

[blackspade]

76. tragically...

Human society is built on lies.
We deceive ourselves, our loved ones, and our enemies.

[seemslikeadream]

2. MORE MORE MORE

[redistributer]

3. Why is the media ignoring this link?

The media went crazy about Obama and Ayers, but they ignore the real connection between McCain and Abramoff. Double standard at its worst.

[redqueen]

52. The corporate-owned media knows which side their bread is buttered on.

The republiCON side.

[alllyingwhores]

69. Because...the corporate media IS McCain's base...propaganda arm...and...

...controls is dim-witted, pathetic sycophant saggy ass...I'm just guessing.

[calimary]

86. Welcome to DU!

Probably because the controlling interests are outfits like weapons manufacturers (NBC had that issue with parent company GE) and the Rupert Murdochs of the world and their ferocious yearning to dominate the world with their wrong-wing, ultra-CONservative views (read: Pox Noise). They set the tempo for the companies they control and make it clear to the network brass what they wish. This is business, after all. Never mind that WE, the public, own those airwaves. john mcsame is perceived by these people as good for business - especially if they're in any way involved in war-making or war-supplying. ANY republi-CON is perceived by these people as good for business particularly since, under republi-CON control for the past many years, there's been less and less accountability for corporations, less monitoring, less regulating, more laissez-faire, more willingness to look the other way, more tax loopholes, far less attention to workers' safety or consumer protection. The foxes watch the hen houses when republi-CONS are in power, after all. And that condition is FAR more likely to continue under a mcsame regime than under an Obama/Democratic one.

[Razorblade02]

4. Keep Em Coming Obama!

Here's my ad for Obama:
How McCain tries to say Obama sympathizes with enemies. Then, he himself gives Bush the ol' bear hug after Bush tore his family to shreds...
"If a man concedes his own convictions for politics..like hugging a man who insulted his family, who else will McCain sell out?

[AlbertCat]

33. I'm waiting...

..... for McCain to send out robo-calls accusing Obama of having a black baby!

[George II]

55. He DOES??? How did that happen? Where's the National Inquirer on this story?

[MadrasT]

80. zOMG!!!11!!!1

not a black baby!!! oh noes!1!!1

[barbtries]

40. i like it

[Catch22Dem]

5. "If McCain loses, Barr will win"

In the comments below the article:

"Wake Obama…this is the national election–your bony butt is toast. If McCain loses…Barr will win…but conservative values will prevail."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[neverforget]

6. Harder please. This is good but I want full on broadsides on that old

battleax McCain.

[JNelson6563]

There are people out there who, if one shit a brick of gold,

they'd whine "Why not platinum?". I bet you're one of 'em.

Julie

[neverforget]

82. Good grief. I liked the ad but apparently that was not sufficient enough

praise. Maybe BEST AD EVER! would do?

[JNelson6563]

83. "This is good BUT..."

More, harder, better, whatever. Did you know the word "but" negates what came before it?

Sorry but the handwringing and other forms of "fretting" on DU is just so on my nerves. Obama's campaign is running a most excellent ground game, any county party in just about anyplace in the nation has been working with at least one campaign person for a region, some counties having whole teams of people to themselves. We are already seeing a more aggressive media campaign than we've seen in a long time.

But...

No, there is no "but". Team O is running a grade A campaign and doing a fine job with the commercials and the other aspects of the campaign. I write this for all those who are seeing all manner of fault with the effort. I urge everyone to get in touch with their local party and see for themselves the way it's REALLY going down.

Julie

[neverforget]

85. BUT i want more and I want it harder. That is very mild criticism to say the least.

Lighten up. I was merely stating that I want more of this and a little harder hitting. I believe in going for the jugular because we are in a street fight.

[WheelWalker]

87. You're right. Time to unload.

[Kittycat]

7. Where is the first?

This is the same one I saw this morning/early afternoon.

[DeepModem Mom]

8. I think it's "Three Times," about taxes. Link here --

http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/threetimes_ad/

[Starlight]

41. They need to push the tax point. People mistakenly believe that's one of McCain's strong points.

http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/11/news/economy/candidates_taxproposals_tpc/index.htm?cnn=yes

BREAKING DOWN THE NUMBERS

Here's how the average tax bill could change in 2009 if
either John McCain's or Barack Obama's tax proposals were
fully in place.

                             MCCAIN          	OBAMA
  Income	          Avg. tax bill	      Avg. tax bill

Over $2.9M	           -$269,364	       +$701,885
$603K and up	           -$45,361	       +$115,974
$227K-$603K	           -$7,871	       +$12
$161K-$227K	           -$4,380	       -$2,789
$112K-$161K	           -$2,614  	       -$2,204
$66K-$112K	           -$1,009 	       -$1,290
$38K-$66K	           -$319	       -$1,042
$19K-$38K	           -$113	       -$892
Under $19K	           -$19	               -$567

Source:The Tax Policy Center

[Bette Noir]

9. The one I want to see...

"Do we want a President who gets his foreign policy advice from a paid agent of a foreign government? Do we want a President who gets his economic advice from the man who brought us the Enron scandal and the mortgage meltdown? We can't afford the same old politics..."

[Doctor_J]

30. Good one, Bette. Send it to the campaign.

[VP505]

10. I sure hate to see the Obama

Campaign go negative but sometimes you have to do what you have to do. Watch and see how fast it takes the Reptilians to start whining about it.

[beltanefauve]

11. The difference is

unlike McSame, he's not using fear-and-smear, race-baiting, code or inuendo. He's using McSame's own record against him. It's not truly "negative" campaigning.

Now, IMO, Obama's people need to come up with more catch-phrases and soundbites. (The Repubs have gotten years of traction from "tax and spend", as an example) Unfortunately, these seem to resonate with your average voters.

[tavalon]

16. They resonate with the "average" voter because that voter can't be bothered to learn

much more than the names of the candidates and the catch phrases. Short attention span voters.

[Bluenorthwest]

50. Yeah, the average voter ...

can't be bothered?!?!? Hey, here's one for your luxery wrapped, up early on a weekday posting blather behind...the average voter does not have the time or money to wrest the truth out of a fabricated media. They are feeding their families, providing food and clothing and praying they don't need any medical attention, because that is simply out of reach.
And yet you paint them as idiots, unwilling to spend a tad of their vast amount of free time to find out what is really going on. Yeah. Great. That's it. Single parents, those worthless bits of scum, prattleing all their time away on their demanding spawn when they could be doing something important like reading random opinions at DU. Damn them all!
I wonder if perhaps these voters avoid being active to avoid nasty, presumptious, judgmental folk who don't have a clue about how lucky they are? Folks who tell them that during their 18 hour work day, they are frittering away time that should be spent reading the Nation?

[hisownpetard]

68. Consider cutting back on the caffeine, followed by a cold shower...

[beltanefauve]

90. Chill...

People who are wrapped up in all the intricacies of "American Idol", but can't name their own Congressperson, people who know all the salient details of Brittany Spears' latest drama but don't know who the Secretary of State is... Americans are the most entertained and the least informed people on the planet. Yeah, those people need sound bites and catch-phrases.

Sorry you're so stressed out. You are not alone.

[burythehatchet]

29. It's not the same thing when you're teling the truth and not just throwing slime.

And no. The Rpublickans will not whine about it because they know its the truth and they will bury their head in the sand to avoid the discussion.

[rfranklin]

34. The truth is the truth....telling it is not negative....

The Bush B.S. has been negative for the last eight years and we cannot afford to let the Republicans bully us into eight more years of destructive government.

[LiberalFighter]

46. Sometimes it is not enough for the candidate to show themselves

They have to provide the comparisons between two candidates.

Maybe they should label it as "Stark Reality".

[olddad56]

12. he media will no doubt focus on Obama's ad being negative...

rather than the fact that Obama is pointing out the truth. This is a little different than McBush linking Obama to Paris Hilton. But lets watch how the reich wing propaganda machines on cable TV spin this one.

When is the last time we had a presidential election that wasn't rigged? Well guess what boys and girls, this one will be no different. Corporate Fascism is here to stay.

[EFerrari]

14. Eureka.

[tavalon]

Why is telling the truth considered "negative"?

[montanto]

67. That's what I was thinking.

[DarthDem]

15. Finally

PLEASE do more of this. I don't want to be sitting here on November 5 wishing we had fired all the guns against the insane old bastard we're trying to defeat.

[Political Heretic]

17. It's not an EUREKA, its Obama campaign executing RIGHT ON SCHEDULE

It wasn't time in the middle of August when no one but cable news junkies gives a shit.

Now, in the lead up to the convention, its the home stretch.

Time to get tough, spend all the money, and get on the ground game.

[redqueen]

54. Precisely... waste of money to splurge on the hard-hitting ads

when most people aren't even paying much attention.

[deacon]

18. It's about damn time. It's not like their isn't enough GOP corruption to use out there!

Hit hard and hit everyday with this stuff! Be relentless and fearless!

[Alexander]

19. I knew he'd start going negative. Will the Chicken Littles admit Obama knows what he's doing?

[barbtries]

42. i don't know if i'm chicken little,

but i'll give him that for sure. he is slick.

[Tanuki]

20. "More of the same" is the perfect catch-phrase!

Here it refers to inside-the-Beltway politics as usual, but it also resonates with the idea that McCain will continue the Bush fiasco of the past 8 years. I hope we hear more of "more of the same"!

[sendero]

21. I KNEW he could do it..

... there's enough dirt on McCain to fill a landfill, time to dredge it up!

[LiberalFighter]

47. That's why Senators have a more difficult time running for President.

There is a lot more they can dredge up from their votes and associations with people they have built up.

Generally, members of Congress are not the best candidates for President. In this case, both are Senators but one has been there a long time.

[AzDar]

22. The truth hurts. And in the case of John McCain, it hurts A LOT.

[Joanne98]

23. YAY

[Rosa Luxemburg]

24. Keating 5, Abramoff - there's something wrong with McCain!

I hope Obama hammers McCain on the DRAFT, Abramoff and McBush's big oil

[simmonsj811]

25. Kicking to the top!

another triple kick

[pleah]

26. K&R It's not NEGATIVE IF IT IS TRUE!

Now, run an ad where McWar wants to start a draft. Maybe that will wake some of the people up.

[BRLIB]

27. Nice but they need to get tougher!

Like it's been said, voters don't look much at the issues. They need to also have subconscious messages and even overt ones and call a warmonger a warmonger, a liar a liar. OutRove Rove, in other words. Hit McSame on what he thinks is his strongest qualification and turn it around as a liability. Come up with a book about the hidden life of McSame. Come up with memorable catch phrases. Flip flopper is passe, new ones are needed. Get an actor who looks like McSame (voice could be by someone else who sounds exactly like McSame) to be in skits joking about war, telling crude jokes, talking about scoring a new "b**ch" with his friends after his wife was in a car wreck, etc. Paint him literally as the scum McSame is.....

[redqueen]

56. He won't hit first.

He'll allow McSame's campaign to coarsen the tone, and then respond accordingly.

[MetaTrope]

31. The annoying thing is, I've got only the vaguest idea what the Abramoff scandal is all about

And I absorb the news via DU daily. Is moderate America going to make anything out of this, let alone the crazed conservatives?

[Starlight]

43. ITA. Too many scandals since then. Most people have totally forgotten that one.

[redqueen]

57. We can help by reading up on it, and passing the info around to others.

Bill Moyers Journal - Capitol Crimes
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/08012008/profile.html

Lobbyist Jack Abramoff - A Washington Post Special Report
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/linkset/20...

Making Sense of the Abramoff Scandal
http://www.alternet.org/story/29827 /

[DallasNE]

32. The Right Kind Of Negative Ad

It does not attack John McCain the person. It attacks the sleeze that surrounds John McCain. Next, they need to show the pattern of sleeze that always seems to surround McCain like his direct role as one of the Keating 5 and, yes, even how he threw over his first wife. Wasn't McCain also pretty close to some of those involved in Iran-Contra and that guns for hostage deal. Those were all deals involving poor judgement and unethical or criminal behavior. Go for it!

[AlbertCat]

35. Yes!

Bring up issues that, even if one doesn't know what they are about, one knows they were GOP scandals, and add a good sound bite. "McCain was there" or the even better (as someone has pointed out) "More of the same."

[RedLetterRev]

36. Now, pleas to G'd, run that ad in NC

Obama made appearances yesterday in Greensboro, NC (DANG! I wish I had known; he was only blocks away!) then went on to Short Sugar's BBQ (DANG! I wish I'd known; that's my favorite BBQ place) in Danville, VA. The two cities are less than an hour apart (my house is only 20 minutes from Danville--I'd gladly have zipped over!).

He could have these two states easily with ads like that. The truth is a powerful thing around here. His coattails would help Beverly Perdue's bid for governor against that Booosh apologist and do-nothing wackjob ex-mayor of Charlotte, McCrory. NC is purplish, but could be bright blue with just a little help and attention from above.

Ya lis'nin', Senator? Huh? Pretty-please?

[janetblond]

37. I Hope Liebermann is McSame's running mate ..

Obama can run that clip of Liebermann from 2000 as Gore's VP, bashing the repukes.
McSame devotees are so stupid, they probably don't even know Lieb was Gore's running mate.
LMAO!

[Phoonzang]

38. Here's an article from the Guardian about that ad

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/michaeltomasky/...

[DeepModem Mom]

44. Some "negative" re. the "negative" ad -- he's got a point...

which I think someone upthread mentioned. Thanks for the link, Phoonzang.

[LiberalFighter]

51. IMO he has a very small point.

Yes there are a lot of people that don't know Ralph Reed. But it isn't targeted really for outside NC. It is targeted at those that have generally voted Republican in the past. And Ralph Reed should be known well enough in NC for those that vote.

He ran for Lt Gov in Georgia which isn't too far and I'm sure he made the print and tv news enough to make an imprint in their minds. THOSE Christians probably know who he is with his previous connection with the Christian Coalition.

[George II]

60. Furthermore...

The critique says that there are "two" strategic errors and then goes on to list four, and the guy's writing in a British newspaper!!!

My guess is that those seeing the ad will either know exactly what it's all about or (sadly) not know anything about the background but believe it anyway. It's a good ad, hopefully it'll be used elsewhere as the campaign heats up.

[barbtries]

39. as long as it's the truth

i say go for it. with the republicans, the truth is what they fear the most. dems should run away with it in november. and i'm glad the campaign is going for the jugular, they have to!

[melm00se]

45. all this frothing at the mouth is unseemly...

one question to ask yourself is:

has the drop in the polls been the reason behind the attack ads or are the attack ads the reason for the drop in the polls?

IMO, until recently, Obama has been communicating a very positive message that resonated well with the electorate, shifting away from that is beginning to cost him support. It is imperative that he get back to that message and rebuild the support that has gotten him this far.

[AlbertCat]

49. Drop in polls

I think the only reason for the drop in polls is that stupid religious Q&A in which McCain pandered to the simple-minded and Obama answered like an adult. No wonder they dropped!

Since most of these types forget what they had for breakfast much less something that happened a month ago, I think it will be forgotten by the time of the election. Unless of course the Evangelicals screech about it again. But it doesn't have that kind of ooomph factor so....

[marshall]

48. Negative campaign ads? I'm shocked! SHOCKED I tell you!

When did this start?

[peace frog]

58. What took them so long?

Hit 'em HARD and keep pummeling until the message is driven home: McSame = Criminal BushCo.

[happygoluckytoyou]

61. a negative ad is only negative when it LIES.....THIS IS JUST AN AD!!!!!!!

time to get tough on crime... and get this crappy old white rich guy out!!!!

give the people a choice.... we don't agree with everything OBAMA says..... i disagree on at least 3 MAJOR ISSUES.....

but i compromise for the 20 MAJOR ISSUES where I do agree...

add that to the fact that the man shows a certain courage........ ANOTHER OHIO VOTE FOR OBAMA!!!

[tomg]

62. Obama's timing is remarkable.

I think he waited until McCain went one step too far ( well, until McCain gave him the perfect shot), waited for the right audience to respond and can now present himself as simply responding to McCain's tactics. The VFW convention where McCain went after Obama on his patriotism. The next day, Obama comes back beautifully at the same convention, followed by a great town hall in Liberty, Virginia last night where he asked that great ( citing R.R. as the source and subtly saying that he wouldn't want the media to think he stole it) "are you better off now," and now coming in with Abramoff. Saddleback, VFW, Liberty. Obama goes right into Republican territory and starts pounding.

He always praises McCain's service and patriotism, and then nails McCain when McCain goes after his patriotism specifically for going after his patriotism.

[daggahead]

64. What I can't believe is ...

that the veterans at the VFW hall seemed to praise McCain, even though McCain has voted against their interests so often.

Sheesh.

[tomg]

72. I know. At the same time, they gave

Obama a solid ( better than expected from my point of view considering the audience) response, and I think he got many of them really thinking, not about the issues but about the candidates' stands on a wide range of Veterans issues.The VFW, although claiming to be neutral, has historically been a very conservative group. In fact, they endorsed Roskam (a complete shit head - I did a quick glimpse of his stands) over Tammy Duckworth ( a solid Dem with good positions and an Iraqi Vet who lost both of her legs and who is currently director of Illinois Veterans' Affairs Department) in the 6th district of Illinois. It caused a controversy.

[daggahead]

63. Can't we just use some dirty tricks?

Why don't we just start spreading the rumors that John McCain paid for abortions for women in his family, has been overheard saying that supporting gay marriage is the right thing to do, keeping the corporations tax-free is the way to security.

Let's make the republicons start defending lies, like they're making Obama do.

I'm so sick of this crap and there are so many f*cktards out there that are buying the load from the McCain camp.

[Swagman]

65. excellent ! hit the bastards and hit them hard ! no more pussyfooting..

[no limit]

70. I'm curious, is the media reporting on these negative ads as much as they did with mccain's ads?

Every time McCain released a negative ad in the prior weeks it would get constant media attention giving him free air time. Is the same happening here? I would hope so.

[happygoluckytoyou]

71. OBAMA....take off the F'ing gloves and GO HILLARY ON THEIR ASS!!!

[Triana]

73. OK - on to the Keating Five now? n/t

[The Blue Flower]

74. Telling the truth is never a negative

As Give 'em Hell Harry Truman said: "I just tell the truth and they think I'm giving them hell."

[Uncle Joe]

75. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, DeepModem Mom.

[knixphan]

77. MORE!

[jmowreader]

78. I want him to attack McCain's connections with Abramoff and lay off those with Reed

Ralph Reed was executive director of the Christian Coalition at one time. Now, you and I know Ralph Reed is one of the sleaziest lobbyists around, and he's destined for the Ninth Circle of Hell (specifically Antenora, where traitors to their country go), but once the presstitutes get hold of this they'll twist it into OMG KORAN BOY REALLY HATES CHRISTIANS...YOU'RE A CHRISTIAN...DO YOU REALLY WANT A FILTHY MUSLIM TRAITOR TO BE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES?

Abramoff's a different story--his criminality is well documented. We can attack him all we want.

[MrsBrady]

79. telling the truth is not going negative!!!

telling lies IS going negative

thank you.

[MadrasT]

81. YAY for telling the TRUTH!!!

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

84. Abraham Jackmeoff?

Already knew McCain was one of the Keating five.

[Name removed]

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